Just How Good Do PS 3 Games Look?

If you'll recall, Microsoft had high hopes that Sony's first-generation games would look cruddy. Sony had given so little time to developers to work with the development kits that, the theory went, developers would not have enough time to make games. One developer I spoke with said that developing for the PS 3 is harder than for the Xbox 360. He said that everything came in late and many companies had harsh deadlines. Electronic Arts had nine months to do Fight Night Round 3 for the PS 3. The companies that are repurposing Xbox 360 games are having an easier time getting done for launch.

But the evidence we saw this week shows that the PS 3 games are looking good, even for first-generation games. Julian Eggebrecht, head of former Nintendo developer Factor 5, says that Sony really came through with the development kits. Kaz Hirai noted there are 10,000 dev kits seeded among developers now. By and large, the games I saw looked BETTER than Xbox 360 games. Not all were great. Not all were demonstrably better. Not all are worth the price difference of the consoles. But the developers seem to be doing well. Now we'll see how many of these 21 titles in the "launch window" actually show up for launch.

[OutLaw]

The game that makes the PS3 look more better than the 360 is Ridge Racer 7 compare to Ridge Racer 6?

Well let me go out and buy a PS3 now.

[gsquad]

He compared launch games to launch games.

[OutLaw]

I'm more impressed by how many bubbles you have in such a short time.

[specialguest]

in my opinion, Ridge Racer 6 compared to Ridge Racer 7 is not fair at all. it's like comparing the old with the new, of course the new is going to be updated and improved on.

(PS. damn look at those bubble counts!-mod association)

[ORIELKILLER]

i have play some of the PS3 games and i have to say they are pretty ... i mean ppl we have to be honest 360 games now ( november ) looks better since they have time to make them ... but they launch games for the PS3 looks way better then the 360 launch but i think in a year from now PS3 will be the best console... this is only my opinion

[TheMART]

"Ridge Racer 7: Namco's title looks better than last year's Ridge Racer 6 for the Xbox 360. Last year's title seemed fake by comparison. "

How lame comparing is that? BTW RR always sucked. But well.

RR 6 was lame programming on the 360. Very lame.

But come on. RR7 as one of the main exclusives on PS3? Nice.

"Resistance: Fall of Man: I've already said this title is the must-have on the PS 3. It looks better than any shooter on a console so far. I'll have to get a good look at Gears of War to see which one really looks better. Gears of War offers the best chance for the 360 to match what a PS 3 title can do in terms of graphics."

A change of matching? whowhahahaha Resistance may hope they may stand in the shadow of Gears. Multiple sources have stated there is NOTHING out there next gen like Gears. Learn to live with it. Resistance is a COD3 rippoff with some aliens added. Looks nice but that's it.

"Call of Duty 3: This game looks just like the Call of Duty 2 game that debuted on the Xbox 360."

That's a nice thing to hear. Sources have also stated COD3 on 360 looks the best, probably ported to PS3 and end up with COD2 graphics. Nice guys

What's more to say. Blogging as a news source as forums suck.

Just read Epic forced MS to have 512 MB unified memory for Gears otherwise they couldn't get it where it is now. And that's why Gears of War is like nothing out there. Don't even mention UT2007 because those PC footage we haven't seen it on real PS3 source footage. And then still it won't make it compared to Gears.

The footage I saw of it DIDN'T look better then the games on 360. Sony, put the specs of the RSX out and get the demo's in the shops so we could see the truth

[PS3alltheway]

ok GoW look good but they are console out there don't use graphics to attract ppl from buying games. for example PS2 its a last GEN eh but stil selling games stil kicking 360 butt way far.FXII,Bully,GOD of WAR 2 so on .
see bro its not all about graphics , its all about tactics sony has been doing . 10 years lifecycle for PS2 is a gud thing stil counting stil owning M's butt

Just read Epic forced MS to have 512 MB unified memory for Gears otherwise they couldn't get it where it is now. And that's why Gears of War is like nothing out there. Don't even mention UT2007
lol they already use all 512mb n it only have 4v4 . so this is 360 last breath to come up with 4v4 with pretty graphics?
its not all about graphics ,
if you know what im talking about then you know MOTORSTORM

[kmis87]

I wouldn't say that Gears has better graphics than Resistance. Resistance has better particle effects and draw distance, whilst Gears has much nicer character models. Many things go into "graphics" and Gears is definitely not the best at doing all of them.

[Evoluti0n]

You all do realize that dev's making games for the PS3, had EXTRA time to work on them, right? Remember the PS3 was delayed, until November, a fair comparison would be to compare COD3, or another multi-platform title, coming up....

[ThaTeflonDon]

You know how long I wanted to say that? You're the first person I've seen said that. Just think about it. Xbox 360 game dev's only had a few months to make games. While if you really look at it, PS3 has had almost a whole year to make their launch games! And some of them are still not ready ...hmmm

[Tut]

Technically that is a half-truth because of the actual release date of the final dev kits.

I am not here to argue, merely point out facts you might have overlooked.

[Jak4ever]

It seems that the Ps3 is really starting to come together now. Sony seems to have struck a positive and anticipatory cord and Multiple sources have now confirmed that the Ps3 is going to be the better value (of the three next gen consoles) when all is said and done

NOTE: I said better VALUE, dont start with the flame wars.

I must admit though, im having a hard time deciding if i will sell my Xbox 360 or keep both the 360 and The Ps3.

It seems that Sony will once again dominate buy a significant margin.

[big_tim]

This way you won't need to worry about these flamers and the stupid war. You can kick back and enjoy all the excellent titles from both side.

[jib]

exactly what i was thinking. why would you even compare ridge racer SIX to ridge racer SEVEN? i'm pretty sure if RR7 was to come out on the 360 this november that it TOO would look better than LAST YEAR's version.

[OutLaw]

It's not so much of us comparing the two RRs.

It's written in the article That RR7 looks better for the PS3 than RR6 for the 360.

I feel that's a poor comparison to go on since last year people was already saying that RR6 was trash.

[shotty]

You also have to consider that the ps3 was delayed. Devs have has pretty much equal hands on time with both systems. A good comparison is Gears of War with RFOM. Gears is the first x360 game made by EPIC and RFOM is the first by it's developer.

[PS3alltheway]

if you think GoW have pretty graphics just look at GT-HD for PS3 it use its old engine on PS2 that game has is so realistic than any games today can't wait for GT-5 GT-HD is just a taste for GT-5 just imagine GT-5 dont mention forza 2 forza2 is nowhere near GT-hd graphics . GT-HD stil have time to luanch the game so there will be more improvment

4got crysis look real.

don't worry themart im still gona play GoW
but im not gonna buy it probably just rent it or wait price to drop

[FordGTGuy]

GT-HD looking better then Forza 2? Proof???

Forza 2 is still not done either.

[MetalNCarnet]

I don't play racing games. YOU FAIL!!!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Certainly I think it is clear enough to see. The devs have been working for quite some time now and had the added extra time of the delay to really polish the games...and they have made good use of that time.

BTW...all this launch vs 2nd gen title arguments are funny. People try and say GOW is a 2nd gen title for 360. No ...its the equivilant of a launch title in that its Epic's 1st time going on the 360. Just as it is Insomniac's for the PS3. That really is the true test people should be applying when they try and compare games on systems. Was it the devs 1st title? Was it there 2nd title? Did they have the title for over 2yrs in dev or did they rock it out in 1yr, etc..

My point is...you really can't compare games unless you truly are going apples to apples. I mean honestly I think games like Madden next year will be the first time we can safely say both games would have equal footing from a dev standpoint.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

If this would be the case they would have to work longer on final kits than since june. If this would be the case we would get 50-100 launch games. Truth was enforced.

Dlacy13g - Even Epic say GOW is 2nd gen. They had enough time to work on final kits and they had enough time to learn from other companies games. 2nd gen doesn't mean that it has to be their second game on a particular system, devs always look at other games and learn from it. Would you call COD3 Ubisoft's 3rd gen title, case it's their 3rd 360 game? Nope

[FordGTGuy]

Most of the games PS3 got were already on the 360 so the devs knew what to do and already had engines to port and work on. Meaning that RR7 and FNR3 and Oblivion are 1st generation games on the PS3 but are 2nd generation. Lets compare it to the 360s 2nd generation games COD3 and PGR4. Yeah what now?

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Most devs didn't know what to do cause developing for PS3 is way different than for 360. Calling launch games 2nd gen is simply ridiculous, devs have zero experiance with the PS3 hardware and are workin on final kits just since june. You MS fanboys just don't have any sense.
COD3 doesn't look much better than COD2 and RFOM easily blows it. MS and RR7 easily blow PGR4.

[DC RID3R]

wot do you guys want? a cookie??
big fukin deal!! the namco devs have already stated that rr7's improvements are purely software wise, not hardware, so whats the point to this?!?!?

all i'm sayin yeh, microsoft have put aside $20billion US for the XBOX. 1.2 billion spent so far(hehee)!!

that's a big fukin money stack right there!!! MAJOR PAPER

i dont see sony with none of that!!! CAN YOU???

SONY'S DEAD (double action ruger)

[Maddens Raiders]

This date is burned into my mind for ALL good reasons none other than I'll be firing up my very own PS3 Deluxe Model™, but it also sees me feeling a little melancholy since I won't be visiting
"NEWS - 4 - GAMERS.COM" that much anymore. I mean, I'll still come back every now and again to check on headline news and predictions, etc. But, I'll miss being in the forums checking all the cool and UPCOMING news and events........because I will be lost in a true G A M E R S H A Z E

It's just too bad that the 'ol 3.6.0. was "Early to the Dance, but Late to the Party." I wish they just made newer, better, bigger, fresher, more colourful, and intruiging games now, but it's evident that they don't because their B I G G E S T fans are always ALL over this site trying to convince everyone how great everything is when they know *B I G - P A P I* is coming back to take the block and swing his big bat around just to win CONSOLE WARS III -FLOL. They are always on this site flaming and NEVER playing "cool", next-gen XBOX2.0 games...!!!!

QUICK REFERENCE CHART:
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World Consoles War I - Winner PS1
World Consoles War II - Winner PS2
World Consoles War III - Winner PS3
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What I'm Playing Now:
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 (PS2)

Holla

[ImTheNumber12]

"I wish they just made newer, better, bigger, fresher, more colourful, and intruiging games now"

Now i love sony products and I can't wait to get a PS3...but that was the biggest load I have ever heard. "newer and fresher???" and I bet you're talking about GT:HD,MGS4,DMC4,FF13,GTA4,and RFOM...because Those are by far the biggest guns that sony have at this moment and not one of those games are "newer" or "fresher". Good luck with your colourful games. Brand loyalty is how I see it. Some people just need to realize that having MS and Sony compete against eachother is actually helping us.

HOLLA

[Maddens Raiders]

Lightning: Please don't play devil's advocate while I'm chastising M$ fanboys. My main point which you overlooked is:
- It's just too bad that the 'ol 3.6.0. was "Early to the Dance, but Late to the Party." -
This is evident by the amount of fanfare and attention the PS3 is getting right now - Even Enterbrain said that the P3 will soon own the competition by the end of '07 - and M$,nor their small following of soldiers can STAND IT.
You know it's akin towatching a CAT 5 HURRICANE coming in - Everyone knows it's coming, you see how BIG it is, but the only thing you can do about it is watch, prepare, pray and hunker down for preservation of life and property. One may discount the danger or even the threat of it in order to calm fears before it hits but ultimately its damage will linger for YEARS to come. This is the defense posture that Microsoft has adopted and it has succeeded, only to make their product (3.6.0.) look dated and ill-prapared for this round. Yeah XBX looked good against the 'ol P2, but the table have been turned - it's now time for the P3 to dominate console gaming around the world - again. The 3.6.0. is not the talk of the show in 2006 like they had hoped and they fear the omnipotence of the Playstation brand and games. The 3.6.0. will still enjoy its' much smaller (when compared to SNE) following from its "band of merrymen," but make no doubt about it, the rest of the world will be blastin' on the P3 (and maybe the wii - 'til the novelty wears off)and EVERYBODY in here with half a brain KNOWS that. Once the
K R A K E N (P3) of consoles reclaims it's rightful territory at the top of the GAMING food chain on 1 1 1 7 - this will all be an afterthought - why? Because WE'LL BE GAMING - not reading XBOX "news" posts. So, keep your heads HIGH Sony fans; remember YOU are the VICTORS, period. And please, don't bite me dude -

Holla

[D R Fz]

"MS and Sony compete against each other is actually helping us."

We can't call it a competition until the ps3 and wii are out in the market and two to three years have passed. Right now, Ms has no competion but looking at their sales right now, their head start has not reaped the bountiful harvest that the ps3 would have attained if it was the one that was actually released before the 360 and wii. Think about, if both consoles were released at the same time, who would have won? The ps2's fanbase decides that one hands down. Now, If ps3 was released before 360, who would win? Once again, the ps3's fanbase says that the majority would vote for the ps3. However, those scenarios are not present in this next generation because the 360 launched first. However, even though 360 launched a year ahead of its competetion, the 360 would have stood more of a chance if it was released a year before its actual launch. By next year, after the simultaneous launch of both the ps3 and wii, then we can talk about competition. And when the competition is established between the 3 consoles, it is my opinion that they will continue to compete for two years but the ps3 will slowly and assuredly leave the others and surpass them in sales. Although the margin of differentiation will be smaller than the last generation, ps3 will still rise to the top and become the unrivaled champion until the next generation of gaming.

[ImTheNumber12]

You really think the ps3 hasn't helped the 360 owners. All I have to say is 1080p. the 360 is going to have it because of sony. I can see this being a closer race now even with the major support the ps3 has. Both consoles are developing incredible titles and isn't that supposed to be the reason you buy the console? And I can tell were you stand since you already know who wins the console war.

[BIadestarX]

Most of you are not programmers or designers, so it obvious you would think that what game developers/designers use to make games it's only the SDK that sony or Microsoft send them. Try doing more research and you will see that various consoles use the same Game Engine (Unreal Engine, use use UnrealScript(propietary script language), graphic software like maya or 3D studio max, etc. So, the fact is that the very same tools and engine that they being using to make games for the 360 for over 1 year is the same tools they are using for the PS3. The PS3 SDK is a development platform that glue game assets together and ofcourse brings a set of tools developed and unique to the PS3 the same way the xbox 360 have their own. But they both have content pipe and use third party game engines the same way. So, all the knowledge that game developers have being using since the PSone have being evolving. The 360 and the PC has being the training grown for many game developers making games for the PS3 now. So, comparing the XBox 360 launch titles with the PS3 it's not only wrong but not logical. Considering the fact that the PS3 games were designed based on today's standards (not 1 year ago) and to look better then anything ever done before. If what you looking for is to compare the 360 vs the PS3 you may want to compare games like COD3 or any multi-platform game comming up. Which by the way you may fell short, since most of these companies will be using the same game engines, assets and tools, so good luck with that.

[4me2]

You are partly right. They use the same software do design, create environment, model game good and bad guys. But then you have to put code that will be specific to and taking advantage of the platform.
360 development very similar to PC platform , CPU has been used in MACs( corrent me if I'm wrong). It is to some extent known platform. What is new is programing multi core and it is not as easy as it sounds. Synchronization of parts of code running on different cores always presence a challenge. Nevertheless XBOX CPU is "kind of known" do developers and if one knows how to work in threading environment like Windows they should be OK very quickly.

On the other hand PS3 CPU architecture is very different and for 95% of programmers it is just NEW. There is no previous experience, knowledge, code or best techniques to help you develop on CELL CPU.You have to learn on the go. The same design that would be very efficient on XBOX architecture it would not work very well on PS3.

You can port from one platform to another resources like graphics design but how you use it depends on the platform.

If you code for WIN32 and now moving to .NET it is not a simple matter of recompiling code. You actually have to poses knowledge of NET platform(unless you just write "hello" program). and it takes always time to learn new things even if they seem be to similar.

If experience would not matter we would not have to have ver 1 and then 2 and 3....of of some software package , we would have right the way features and quality of ver 10.
Why MS after WIN 98 didn't skip XP and develop VISTA? Because you can not skip experience and knowledge.

[shysun]

So much damage control!!Damn he liked the PS3....so what?You Sony haters post more about the PS3,than the Sony fanboys!:(

[D R Fz]

You'll find that on this site, the ms fanboys outnumber the sony fanboys by a good margin, so a lot of times it seems like everyone hates the ps3 when in fact, it's only the ms fanboys on this site that see no hope for the ps3 while the rest of the world sees a future in the ps3. We just need a mere 1/8000th of the ps fanbase to attend this site and then you'll notice that everyone loves the ps3. If not everyone, the majority(80-90%).

[Bhai]

Wow, that was the truth and world is now the approver of it...Gears of War is as all of you know a total Unreal Engine game, you know, total normal mapped stuff, from debris on ground to great looking walls are all a single texture placed on plain polys, hah, no doubt all it needs is a single DVD-9, as no physics would be seen for the environments won't be broken down into pieces...moreover its all 12 hours gameplay with 8 players online, well end-of-story basically. Its been so long in making and final hardware release of 360 has been up a whole year now so *ahem* this ain't so breathtaking when we consider it. PLUS, why MS doesn't want to give a playable demo ??? Are they afraid the game will be underwhelming, I bet the game will be used to sell 360 by keeping the secret factor, not for any other means.

Resistance is well something beyond that, wow its a full system specific engine that supports 40players online, 7.1 audio, motion-sensing, vehicles, environment destruction and 40 stages, and as it doesn't rely on a middleware to normal-map everything, its a complete package with 16GB of data, almost double a DVD-9 and even bigger than a HD-DVD, its only launch and its so hot a title, even better or equallling the 360 3rd-gen software that is technically inferior and texturally equal to the first-gen PS3 titles. Superb, people, Sony has kept their promise, and its approved by everyone !!!

[ronscrote]

We'll see which game gets the best reviews when they're both released. I'll bet my house that GOW comes out on top.

[Anerythristic26]

This is a strategy issue plain and simple. The 360's first year was filled with a bunch of ports for a reason. The cookies they handed us were all gems , Oblivion , GRAW , Dead Rising and so forth. The console war starts now for Microsoft look at the coming year and it's obvious it's night and day. The early adopters got screwed...just a little. Now they are bringing out the BIG guns for a reason.

[Phytonadione]

this article reminds me, I can't wait for Kojima's first generation PS3 game to come out in late 2007/early 2008, MGS4. That first gen title is gonna rock!!!! Man, I feel sorry for the makers of PDZ, they are going to be sooooooooo owned by Kojima and team. Hopefully Factor 5 holds back their first gen game, Lair, for a couple of years to polish and finish, just so they can claim to have the bestest first gen title ever!!! Woohoo!!!

p.s. Be warned, this comment may or may not be peppered with sarcasm and may or may not cause certain fanboys to scream in anger/anguish/frustration/all of the above.

[PS360PCROCKS]

"So Gears of War really does have a chance at matching Resistance and how it looks."

I'm sorry but I feel that RFOM has the chance to match Gears not Vice Versa, RFOM is a nice title and looks good, but Gears has been in development for so much longer that I feel that theirs alot more work and detail put into that game, which isn't to say RFOM sucks, I just think Epic took alot of time adding those "little" details that you'll notice that makes it look nicer

Ridge Racer 6 was horrific comparing the two is a little ludicrous but I must say this is a good story for you Ps3 Fans, only thing I would be worried about is that he said Carbon and RR look better than GT:HD and thats the one everyone has been gushing over, and he said "but it still has jaggies" on a few different titles, so hopefully that's just an unfinished game thing, cause I'd be pissed if companies didn't do their work well enough to get rid of "jaggies"

[BIadestarX]

Ok, let me try again.
The PS3 games will look better than the 360, because is from Sony, and Sony is known to make the most powerful hardware in the world (which is why they released all system specs on the hardware and online), they also know to have the console with the least defects at launch. Also, PS3 games use only the SDK and all games are being designed from the grown up. HD can only be done on the PS3, The PS3 online service will be free and all downloadable content will also be free, because Sony is the richest company in the world and are trying to invest more in community service to benefit humand kind. And no need to worry about shortages, they have 70 Million consoles ready for launch. Blu-ray is the future and every critics says so. Xbox 360 can't do 1080p since only the PS3 is capable. The PS3 is cheaper than the 360 (since it does not come with a controller, it requires HD-DVD (which has no movies or is selling nothing). yeah, xbox live cost $150 a year. Gears of wars looks like a 8Bit game from the Nintendo Era.
Now, I believe Sony fanboys will agree with me. I just told them what they want to hear based on their ability to think and process facts.

[assjacket]

Wow, you're funny. Sony is richest company in the world? Where did you get that info? There's a company you might have heard of called Microsoft, the guy who started it is the richest person in the world so I would think his company is worth some money to.
70 million for launch? Trying to benefit humankind? It's hilarious that you would actually type that.
By the way, Why are you people debating whether PS3 looks better than 360, or not? The PS3 better have nicer graphics than 360, it has taken a whole year for it to finally come out, well at least in North America and Japan. Sorry Europe.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

he was being sarcastic ....just for the record. :)

[BIadestarX]

thanks Dlacy13g for stating the obvious.

[andy capps]

Edit- This post is in response to post 17.

Your post is totally correct. I can't wait for MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, untitled Naughty Dog game, Eight Days, The Getaway, etc.. Not even to mention Killzone PS3 of which news should start being released now that Killzone PSP has come out and gotten great reviews. All those will be first gen PS3 games according to the 360 fans logic on here as they will all be the first games coming out for their respective studios for the PS3.

[Funky Town_TX]

Reminds me of xbox and PS2. I got tired of playing PS2 looking games on my xbox. So dev if the PS3 is 100 times more powerfull please take advantage of it.

[borgome]

Thats the problem bud, devs won't take advantage of that, sony made you wait a whole year and the games will looks the same as the 360's. woot!

[InMyOpinion]

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

[zypher]

i don't feel like arguing, so no comment in that regard for me. my excitement for the PS3 will not be based on what others say; it never has been nor will it ever be. it is a next-gen game console that looks to offer the best in game visuals and gameplay. that someone else may feel the same or differently than me is of little consequence.

[gnothe1]

everyday people argue about GOW looking better than RFOM or vise versa, which game it getting the most hype right now, which game does everyone says look the best, plus just wait an see which games sells the most!!

[Gamer13]

Because the ps3 was delayed some many times, the developers have enough time to polish the games for launch. but with the 360 it made launch and the developers have less time to polish the games for launch.
IM OUT.

[Phytonadione]

PS3 was delayed once for Japan and Europe (still coming in November for the U.S.). But you forget to mention that the final dev kits were also delayed. When was the 360 final dev kits released and when were the PS3 final dev kits released? That is the question that we all need to ask ourselves. And the answer to that question is directly linked to how much time developers have had to finish a game and what games should and shouldn't be considered first gen and second gen.

[FKN Unbelievable]

R;FOM need to Work on those Explosions and effects they look kinda suspect compare to Black's Explosions on a Last-Gen System.

[Marriot VP]

THIS GOOD

http://www.wii60.com/videog...

[Liarlair]

People see what they want to see,what a great example we have here.
Yep,I mean both of the side.

I really hope fanboys will all brun alive,you know,we love to brun heretics.

[SPECxChilean]

Microsoft is just making an excuse to make playstation look bad and if they wanted to they could change it from 1080p to the lowest picture quailty. They might just post bad quailty pictures to make it look bad or its another thing that microsoft just does to take away the shame of the xbox360 and how many things went wrong with it. PS. PS3 RULES!!!!!

[zonetrooper5]

Sony have not had the lowest defected hardware or software. Nintendo release an amazing console each time but they have very few defects compared to MS and Sony.

[THAMMER1]

There is no science to this article at all. It’s just some guy rambling about his opinion. We all know the real facts. And any comparisons we have done online let us know the truth.

Any 360 fan who thinks they need to defend should rethink your choices. Read the article and look at the logic this guy is using. Then read the PS3 fan boys post and look at their logic it is skewed and backwards but you do not need me to tell you that. Right?

The PS3 will be fun but only worth it to the fan boys. The majority of the public still has no understanding of what us tech and games nerds already know.

You noticed that the PS3 fan boys have not hat this much buzz for weeks. Now all of a sudden they get amped up. Please you dudes know what’s really up. Any article by professionals comes out the opposite of this one get over it.

[D R Fz]

What other news have you been buzzing about lately? Exactly, Nothing else comes to mind. Think about it Tham, Ps3 is coming soon and a whole lot of people are getting nervous because that moment you've feared or having being waiting for, is near. And when the system is released, a lot of doubts will be quelched and many rumors dispelled. But the fact of the matter at hand is that, you are a xbox fanboy shaking in the kness with each day that passes by because you know that when ps3 hits the main market, there will be nothing but goods news about the ps3. I can picture one of the headlines of New York Times in the near future - "Sony does it again--200million declare the PS3 their console of Choice."

Believe it Tham, the days of posting bad news about the ps3 are numbered. From Nov.17, 2006 to Nov.17, 2010, there will be nothing but good news about Sony and the ps3. Mark my Words.

[FirstknighT]

I dont know why people try to compare Resistance with GOW graphically...are you guys seriously saying that Resistance looks close or better than GOW??? haha, you fanboys crack me up...So far nothing can touch GOW graphically...NOTHING on PS3's list of games can touch this GOW...and u know this...stop pretending you dont agree.

Lair looks completly awful!!! The close up dragon battles look cool but ground attacks look terrible. Not even a rental. Only game I would pick up is Motorstorm cuz that looks like a next gen super off road!

[satanslilh3lp3r]

typical MS fanboy

[Shadow Flare]

i think even though the ps3 has launched a year after the 360, the graphics of the launch games on each system is a valid point

Consider that developers who worked on 360 games had harsh deadlines to meet because of the early launch, much like the ps3 except developers for the ps3 had a short time because many only received final dev kits a few months ago. Also consider that the 360 is apparently easier to program for while the ps3 is more tricky. Which may explain the likeness in games, although this article said, "By and large, the games I saw looked BETTER than Xbox 360 games".

Graphically, things can only get better for the ps3, and when developers figure out how to use the cell properly, i'd expect the level of graphics and physics of ps3 games to accelerate faster than 360 games

[BIadestarX]

You are also partially right. You do have to write (code) that is unique to the environment for which you are producing code. For example you may have to use libraries that only exist for the SDK that do not exist in others. "If you code for WIN32 and now moving to .NET it is not a simple matter of recompiling code. You actually have to poses knowledge of NET platform (unless you just write "hello" program). and it takes always time to learn new things even if they seem be to similar." as an experience win32 developer and now .net, I agree that things are done differently at the, also things that we used to accomplished using win32 API calls are now done easily by importing some class from one of the .net framework libraries. But remember that most of the code in games is done using C++; the syntax does not change much (loops, methods, events, etc) are almost intact. Also, most games are developed using OOP (Object Oriented Programming) concepts and therefore not all helper functions and objects have to be re-written from the ground up, only code specific to the platform. Take COM Objects for example, they work completely different from Managed object yet the syntax to instantiate it’s almost identical. Also, noticed that most engines have their own proprietary script (i.e. UnrealScript) in order to reduce the platform specific code. Also, programs like Maya and can product files (i.e. x files) that are used by direct x to import characters, even skeletal animation, meshes etc. These programs are not designed to generate files only for direct x, but also for engines like Unreal Engine, others. Sometimes all you need to import/use and entire map, character or object from one platform (360) to another (PS3) is for the 3D app to generate a file (plug-in) that the PS3 supports. Of course you do have to keep in mind the hardware (memory, CPU, etc) you are creating the 3D objects for; and you may have to reduce the amount of polygons or even remove assets (like many developers will have to do with the wii); but I hilly dough developers have reach a point where they say we have to reduce the number of polygons on the 360 because the PS3 can handle more or vice verse at least for a while. I believe both the 360 and the PS3 were designed to display/perform a lot more than what developers are capable of delivering due to cost.
I know fan boys will try to look for flaws on the hardware to say which system is more powerful; but they will not find it (at least for a long time) both the PS3 and the 360 will continue to produce better and better looking games for years. The true power of this consoles lies on the services (online service, etc) and the games (Gears of war, Metal Gear, etc). It is all up to the developers not since both consoles have state of the art hardware.

[Maddens Raiders]

Gotta give props where props are due. Bladestar you get an "A+" for a decent, well-thought-out, and non-biased argument. We need more of this type of thinking on the site. Unfortunately we won't get it, 'cause flamers will continue to provoke and shout stupid a** comments because they hate one system or the other. What they don't realize is that fanboys are exactly that, FAN BOYS, and they are going to buy what they want - not because of someone yelling, "look at me - my system is the best because ________" or I'm not buying X-system because _______." It really doesn't matter what we think - it comes down to the masses and both the 360 and P3 will offer gamers a W O R L D of fun - so everybody just stop trying to convince each other that the sky is green - just chill the hell out and play your system or wait for your system - you too mart.

[gnothe1]

doesnt believe that half of the xbox 360 launch games were ports from the ps2 an xbox1.majority of those games were ment to be current-gen then MS gave them the kits for the 360, so all they could do was clean up some textures an switch the resolution to HiDef an call it a next gen game. but the PS3 on the other hand isnt getting them kinda games for launch, all off there launch game are built with the 360 or ps3 in mind both next gen systems, not the ps2 an xbox1 like the 360 was.an you cant say that GUN,NFS,KING KONG,NBA 2k6,TONY HAWK wern't all games built for current gen systems.now look at the games thats built ONLY for the xbox then get back at me!!!an they wonder why PS3 LAUNCH games look better than XBOx360 LAUNCH games!!!but why compare them compere the games coming out right now for both systems an there is no differance, if it is its so slight it wont even matter!!

[gnothe1]

why wernt we having this debate last-gen when xbox 1 clearly out shine the ps2 in graphics, since that seems to be all that matters to the sony fans right now.why cant we all agree that both systems will be great an so close to each other is that the only differance will be what TYPS OF GAMES YOU LIKE!!

[BIadestarX]

I will be flame for this, but.
Simply because of price. Some people loyal to Sony need to justify the price difference and the only way this can be done is if the PS3 is better. If the xbox 360 and the PS3 are both as good then whats the point of paying extra for the PS3? That's the basic answer and where the debate is. This is why no Sony fanboy would ever admit both consoles are great. this is also the reason why sony is showing fact sheets where the 360 apears more expensive than the PS3.

[ChickeyCantor]

when allot of games are out for the ps3 i will know for sure there will be a real small dif. in gfx.
our brains will get use to the gfx and then we wont see a difference at all.

therefor they are equal to me.
ps3 and xbox360 same shyte

[Maddens Raiders]

Damn dude..............!!!! Just when I give you a compliment you go and ruin it with the same 'ol tired, broke down, M$ kerosene talk. Gimmie a friggin' break..!!!
I already stated that both systems are great and that's a fact jack. But, since you wanna throw jet fuel on everything - I think that the "BOX" will see future problems once the dev's get their arms around the true POWER of the C E L L. The large SONY FANBASE (which is very real and alive) notwithstanding; I believe that the P3 will eventually "outshine" the "BOX" and sales will eventually curve further north, at which time we will see the introduction of the new "BOX" (probably in '09)because it will then be technically obsolete. I don't think that you 3.6.0 fans who gripe about cash all the time are gonna contiunue to fork out cash for online, upgrades, external periph's and all that crap - Hell, who wants to do all that when it already comes in the P3 (built for the not so near future and HD GAMING) with wireless motion-sensing tech. (with rumble soon to follow) and looks good to boot with all the bells and whistles. So, yeah the P3 and the "BOX" look comparable maybe now, but the "BOX" has had a year cushion to sit on while they told everyone what SONY 'couldn't" do - only to see them "doing" it and I'm gonna tell ya - I've seen
N O T H I N G on my brother's "BOX" or any website that convinces me that M$'s system will be Better or is Better than the mighty, mighty PLAYSTATION - Nothing - and that's after a year already - and you guys are still here looking and waiting for that "KILLER-APP". Too bad the P3 is the biggest killer app you guys have - cause it's
K I L L I N' ya and that's why YOU ARE HERE; to justify your purchase or (loss). How's that for a debate....???

What I'm Playing Now:
Devil May Cry 3
Dante's Awakening: Special Edition (PS2)

[EasilyTheBest]

Theres 2 colours right? Ones RED and the other ones BLUE, some ppl prefer RED some ppl prefer BLUE. Its just the RED fanboys say over and over that RED is best and the BLUE fanboys say over and over that BLUE is best. BLUE is better coz u can get BLUE jeans, RED just wouldnt look right, YEAH but with RED they av that on traffic lights for stop. Yes but BLUE is used for a flashing light on a police car.... AND on and on and on...
BUT the BLUE fanboy will never convince the RED fanboy that BLUE is better and the RED fanboy could never convince the BLUE fanboy that RED is better... Come on my favourite colour is BLACK if your favourite isnt BLACK try and convince me why your favourite is better than mine, see if you can change my mind.... Oh readers in USA miss out the U in colour....
End of preach.. Hope some of you get it..

[THAMMER1]

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas

Lost Planet

WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2007

Need for Speed Carbon

F.E.A.R.

Call of Duty 3

John Woo Presents Stranglehold

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent

DOOM

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07

Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia

Tony Hawk's Project 8

FIFA Soccer 07

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

Small Arms

Mutant Storm Empire

Gyruss

Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3

Defender

Contra

Assault Heroes

Heavy Weapon: Atomic Tank

Superman Returns: The Videogame

Totemball

Gears of War

Crackdown

Shadowrun [next-gen]

Half-Life 2

Lumines Live!

Project Sylpheed

Open Season

Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom

Wheelman, The

Lost Odyssey

Blue Dragon

BioShock

Viva Pinata

Assassin's Creed

Banjo-Kazooie 3

Marvel Universe Online [working title]

Project Gotham Racing 4

Halo Wars

Army of Two

Kane & Lynch: Dead Men

Just Cause

Eragon

Shrek 3

Darkness, The

Culdcept Saga

!!!!AND MORE!!!!

http://xbox360.ign.com/inde...

[Arkham]

Good thing you double-spaced that list of non-exclusive games. Makes it look bigger! (Oh hush, Just kidding. ;))

[satanslilh3lp3r]

most of those games are crap anyways! (opinion)

[Retard]

The videos of Too Human... I heard alot about so I went to check it out--It looks.. at least from the game trailers (IGN), like crap..

I understand there still being developed but I've heard an incredible amount of hype over them, honestly to me they don't impress me. I'm not hating but the combat looked not-so-great or nerve shaking. The dialog method feels to much like what Oblivion tried to pull off with like 10 actors because audio takes so much of a DVD.

I guess the reviews will tell me.

[DJ]

"The true power of [these] consoles lies [in] the services (online service, etc) and the games (Gears of war, Metal Gear, etc). It is all up to the developers...since both consoles have state of the art hardware."

And he's right. While hardware superiority is a nice touch, it's good to see that Sony's learned from their mistakes and is delivering on both software and its online community from day one. Everyone deserves to have great titles and online services, regardless of whether it's free or not.

I do have a quick question. Why is it that when lists of 360 titles are posted are double-spaced? Is it to make the list look bigger? (no sarcasm) I hope the Playstation guys don't try to one-up them by triple-spacing. =P

As for PS3 launch titles, I'm amazed that despite working on completely foreign architecture and only receiving final dev kits about 4 or 5 months ago, developers seem to be really getting a handle on the hardware. If you showed me the current version of Motorstorm at E3 and said "this is what it's going to look like by October", I would've laughed...hard. No one expected the launch titles to be THAT impressive. I think gamers are in for a real treat.

[UNREAL-T]

I think ps3 will be better than 360 about a year why? because none of the developers have been able to tap into the true power of the sony playstation 3.

[timmyp53]

I think microsoft is trying really hard to bring what they can to the table come 11/17 but Gears of War is a bit off. It seems like they tried really hard to make the graphics hit home but all they ended up with was character models, and an environment,that looks like clay. I also think the blood graphics looks horrible, it looks like rubbery paint being splashed. One last notion the blast of the gun looks out of place is it trying to be cartoonish? the movement is odd because it looks likes the character is glitching. Is it too fast? The gameplay forced me to think of Celebrity deathmatch especially when he used the chainsaw(not a good thing).
opinions please?

[D R Fz]

But then again, some people will bash the living out of you for even questioning the only game MS has right now that could rival the launch games for the ps3. It's a desperate move on their part because once again, microsoft is trying to release something before the competition to get as much profit in their pockets as possible. I guess they did not learn with the 360 that it's better to make sure you have everything the consumer needs in the product before you release it. I'm not saying Gears of War does not look impressive, but with a little more time, it could improve on its shortcomings. However, MS does not care about the consumer but rather the competition and releases unfinished projects that need patches and add-ons in order to give the people a "choice". Nevertheless, Sony is here to save the day, and with amazing launch titles, you don't have to focus on one title to please your inner gamer, but you are given a choice. That is what the ps3 launch is about, the choice between a good selection of games so that the consumer can experience variety. Thank You Sony.

[gnothe1]

really really stupid. how can you people sit here an say that sony is here to save the day, an the ps3 will difinatly be better than the xbox360. I wanna know how do you know this for sure, why because sony said so!!an whats with this CELL crap!! sony always has this great name for the chips in there system to make them seem more dramatic an you people eat it up . the emotion engine, the cell, all this talk about teraflops, they always sell people these dreams, an for some reason they fall for it each an everytime.an as far as sales go the PS3 will NEVER sell as good as the ps2 just because of price alone. the longer it takes them to reach the real sweet spot of 149.99 they will never reach those sale numbers!! sont forgot all about the trailer park families an ghetto families that cant afford the 500 PS3!! Ps2 is still selling good now because its just getting to the price were even more people can afford it!!!

[THAMMER1]

I wish you had more bubbles because your on a roll. : ^ ) No B$ bro.

[DJ]

"Sony forgot all about the trailer park families an ghetto families"

I didn't realize that Sony was attempting to outreach to people who are below the poverty line. If you're implying that this was Microsoft's strategy, then I think they failed at that too. Seriously, I doubt people living in trailer parks are very concerned with spending $400+ on a game console.

[shoota33]

Calm down fanboy the ps3 will still sell loads more units than your beloved xbox 360. jealousy will get you nowhere lol.

[o Su1cyDal o]

Obviously this guy is another $ony junkie. He simply compares P$3 games such as Ridge Racer 7 to Xb0x 360s Ridge Racer 6. Can I get a WTF on that one? He also says the P$3 has better graphics and hasn't even seen hardly any other 360 games besides the launch games.

[ApocalypseShadow]

then he would have had nothing but good things to say about ALL the games.but he knocked a couple of things about some of the games.microsoft has had a year,a year to show second gen games to look and play better.but they didn't.we all know this.there was some decent ones.but where are the MEGA HIT games?besides gears of war,there is NOTHING.no one talks about any other game this year but that game.for the WHOLE YEAR,ONE GAME THAT HASN'T RELEASED AND PROVEN ITSELF.it should have been"man did you play that game!","that game is hot"you need to get a 360 to play this game".but for the whole year nothing.and now ps3 games are coming(AT LAUNCH)and they look just as good and sometimes better on it.and it hasn't even released yet.microsoft say "our games will look better"where are they?unreal engine is going to be used for ps3 as well.so i say again"where are the better looking games?"

[FKN Unbelievable]

Nuff said.

[HyperBear]

That is if I can get one on Nov.17, and then start playing them. But for now, Call of Duty 2 and my Xbox 360 are still on top. And Gears, COD3, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, etc. are all cool ass-kicking games for 360 that are coming. But for now Resistance, Motorstorm, Full Auto 2, Heavenly Sword and Lair look pretty sweet for now. And I can only imagine what the games for both the 360 and PS3 will look like this time, next year. Good thing i am getting both and im not a fanboy for any one in particular, so that I enjoy the best of both Worlds. (As For Wii, its basically a waste of 249.99, with no games that stand out, and you may get tired of playing it after about 30mins - an hour)

[THELANDSOFSAND]

LOL

fanboy blog gets top PS3 news?

none of the PS3 launch games have impressive graphics. They look like low end pc graphics or PS2 graphics at worst. ultimately games like GOW will show the gap in development platforms... PS3 games just look old.

[o Su1cyDal o]

This may be a little off topic but it still has something to do $ony. What is up with every $ony Pl4ystation having this "unlocked potential?" Are they basing their system off the DBZ character Gohan or what? This "hidden power" has never been tapped and never will be simply because they use that term to sell their product. Not nocking $ony but I'm always in for American Muscle(360), power you can count on, and not an Import Tuner(P$3).

[Maddens Raiders]

I'm gonna go ahead and bust this bubble just to chime in on this latest sophomoric horse$hit. First of all it is obvious you have not a clue of which you speak. If you did you would know that the The Cell architecture breaks all new gorund. It combines a light-weight general-purpose processor with multiple GPU-like coprocessors into a coordinated whole, a feat which involves a novel memory coherence architecture for which IBM(mad props)received many patents. Ever heard of IBM before or a little company called Toshiba...??? I dunno maybe not. They just decided to get together(STI)and create the little monster.... Ahhhhh hell - what does it matter - I can wait 'til next year, because playing these P3 games in a
G A M E R Z H A Z E only to have the devs "Turbo Coding" P3 games next year is gonna be a sweet a$$ Christmas present. All you M$ straight ^^^ HATERZ are shook and gasping for air like a virgin on prom night. 3.6.0. fans have nothing to fear. They will have plenty of great games to play. It's just sad because a L O T of them really want to play the P3 games; Instead they put themselves through this masochistic ritual in order to remain :
"L O Y A L to the U. S. A." That entire mode of thinking is asenine as it questions one's patriotism and I happen to love this country a great deal -- My whole family has a military past buddy...and has served for years. The choice I make to purchase SONY, or Panasonic, or Samsung, or Mitsubishi has nothing to do with USA v JAPAN and it never would be - I purchase Q U A L I T Y electronics at a premium if I have to - and the last time I checked the Japanese love to do just that and have been doin' it for years - sorry good 'ol U.S.A. - I love ya but I gotta be real. In fact for years the US was notorious for making crappy electronics back in the 70's and 80's but those days are long gone - it just kinda stuck with me. I look to spend a little more - it actually makes me feel better after the purchase that I purchased something of worth. I dunno how they do things in Park Terrace, or North Winston or wherever the he77 your from but we don't play that stuff in the Lone Star baby - we do it
B I G S T Y L E...... 27110, LaNd o', y'all should be playin' something instead of always trollin' all these P3 forums with your doom and gloom mantras, led by your spiritual leaders Thamm & mart. The world has spoken and: Right now it is the
P L A Y S T A T I O N 3's
T I M E 2 S H I N E..... Shine on P3....Shine On....!!! And 27110 I'll leave you sittin' in your own oil stain in my '04 NSX while your trying to find 3rd in that '06 stang. All motor baby, but it doesn't really matter.
What I'm Playing Now:
AceCombatZero:The Belkan War (PS2)
w/ Flight Stix

[THELANDSOFSAND]

LOL

*takes the coffee away from maddens raiders*

now what was it you were trying to say?

"It's just sad because they really want to play the PS3 games"

GOW, bioshock, mass effect, forza 2, lost planet, fable 2, alan wake, Halo 3, lost odessey, blue dragon...

PS3 doesn't have a single damn game of interest.

[FKN Unbelievable]

Get Brolic Nigga.

[OminaeYu]

How can u even compare any of the first generation 360 games to ps3 games all of the launch titles are second generation anyway on ps3. think about when was the ps3 ment to be realease beginning of 06 and many of the the games that are being release this xmas have been years in the making. so if you think about it wot MS output last year is still light years a head of wots turning up on ps3 in regards to time taken to produce the 360 launch titles to ps3 title this year.....the ONLY reason ps3 games look so good is coz developers had a year practicing on the 360 and the ps3 was delayed by almost a year. so had the ps3 launched when it was supposed to all there games would have looked extremely rubbish.

[Vultez]

this article would b more convincing if the opinion came frm a non-gamer
y? this developer can pick out any graphical difference between games tht a non-gamer cant possibly find without playing the game 1000s of times.

[Yo Wassap]

Everybody keeps quoting it but i see no real feat. When i saw the 5 videos i was disappointed, the graphics were good but nothing to rave about and the environments were anything but destructable. And all of the multiplayer modes were basically the same with little modifications.

That's my opinion and 'of course' it wrong isn't it?

[borgome]

"Thats the problem bud, devs won't take advantage of that, sony made you wait a whole year and the games will looks the same as the 360's. woot!"

[12Volt]

I think for now the PS3 and the Xbox360 have the same graphical display "keyword" display. I think it will be in the 3rd year of the PS3 that you will begin to see NOTICEABLE difference that John Doe can see.

Personally I still justify the price of the PS3 because i'm paying 200$ for HD movie playback and all the multimedia capabilities the PS3 offers, a Nice 60gig HD, built in wifi, and from that how much would I pay out of those 200$ for sexy sexy.. oh gosh sexy looks?... 50$ .. this is the logic of the sony fanboys.. cant you get it?...

I want one, simply because I can't take MS for personal IT reasons. And Nintendo is great, but i'll get tired of the Wiistick eventually, and then it will just become a gamecube... eww.

[Bill Gates]

Quit being in denial Sony haters. The PS3 will surpass the 360 in the long run. Go play your system and let us wait for ours.

Shadow Flare said it best by saying,

"Graphically, things can only get better for the ps3, and when developers figure out how to use the cell properly, i'd expect the level of graphics and physics of ps3 games to accelerate faster than 360 games"

End od story.

[Grown Folks Talk]

but the cell isn't the gpu. amazing how everyone wants to listen to what devs say about the cell (such as it being stronger, able to do more quickly), but not what they say about the gpu (such as the 360's being somewhat better, and eventually pulling away from the ps3 graphically). just amazes me how people only listen to the portion that justifies their position. i also recall last go round it was all about the games, not graphics and power (thus why ps2 was better than xbox and gamecube). i guess since the sony console overall will be the strongest technically for once, now all of a sudden it's all about power, not your choice in games. enjoy your ps3, that' what it's for. ENTERTAINMENT.

[UndergroundMan]

To is my gift to you all. Wow, this is Sony's marketing scheme rolling out of the door. The President of EA said Sony was good at it, well they are. My purpose for telling this is not to stir wars but to excite people. Only the people buying a PS3 should watch it or them. No more waiting. Go to www.playb3yond.com
click on the word smart or capacity and be prepared to enjoy. Have fun guys like Jin, Dj, and many more Just go ALREADY.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

stop spamming your crapppy site

[Bill Gates]

That was prety cool man thanks. The PS3 will be first of many great things to come from sony.

[o Su1cyDal o]

P3 really looks good right now, but it's going to hurt a lot of non-HD TV owners. And without a VGA cable on the market, you can kiss monitor display goodbye as well. So I hope you soon to be P3 owners have deep pockets or you may get your feelings hurt.

[The Milkman]

Yea you better have the HD TV I prefer LCD screen. Also Bill Gates impersonater I'm glad you dont have many bubbles because your comments have been a waist of reading. Also I know where you got the idea of making a the Bill Gates account. Moviecodec sound familiar?

Anyway your not original just copieing ideas from the Sony haters. People like that realy dont get there point across and end up starting a flame war.