Bonus Round: GTA IV Console Battle

What version will win the GTA IV battle, 360 or PS3?

[Alcaponeyou]

don't finish GTA

[alster23]

agreed, when ifirst got gta sa i only played through half of the fisrt city then i just screwed around in it. then i played misions again till i had to learn to fly then i stopped. i finally finished it last summer.

[callahan09]

I've never finished one, haha.

[power of Green]

That leaves us with alot of people that do finish the game as if what you're talking about by saying folks don't finish the game has anything to do what we'll be getting.

Finish" when it comes to how complete the games is after beating the story missions/story arc is not the samething as just ignoring alot of the jerk off side mission/tasks.
Twist all you wan't from what has been said whats coming to the 360 are major expansion paks not side mission people ignor after beating the main story arc.

Hell even I did the samething with Saints Row I beat the Story missions wishing there was more and ignored the pimping the bi*ches missions etc, I was at 80% complete when I stopped playing it.

What you guys are saying to comfort yourselfs is commical. Downplaying the 360's DLC as simple side mission you don't complete anyways lol(yet some of you say folks will buy a console based on this game alone).

[masterg]

@power of Green

I think you think "normal" people know more than they do.

I have had both consoles since they came out.
Now for the first time in the years I have had them are my friend starting to buy consoles. Well they are starting to buy PS3's. This month 2 of my friends have bought one and 2 are talking about buying one.
None of them knows GTA4 is coming out on anything else than the PS3, so thinking DLC will matter one bit to the casual consumer is dead wrong.

I think MS made a mistake on this one. The should have used the $50mill on one or two great IPs. DLC is a plus but it will not move any consoles.

[mesh1]

PACHER REMINDS ME OF A DASD WITH NO KNOWLEGDE OF THE GASMING OF TODay he makes 0 sense also some key words in this episode ,gta4 was delayed cause of the sony machine, the 360 is the lead playform of gta 4= they choose the most powerfull machine to build gta4 that was a decision by rockstar to build gta 4 on the 360 then post it to the ps3 also they also mention the exclusive dlc episode for the 360.

[kevin1122]

i really dont get how people can talk about grand theft auto expansion, you still dont know what exactly it is. And how they are so closed lip about it makes me think it wont be something great.

[QuackPot]

I just got bored of bashing, killing, racing, flying etc for....well...bad

But completely enjoyed the sandbox of Mercenaries and will pass on GTA to pickup Mercenaries 2 to bash, kill, race, fly etc for....well....mostly good. Pesky drug and arms dealers. lol.

[Alcaponeyou]

to be honest, i never finish a mgs or a ff game. i just played for fun.
the only game i play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
again was sc and diablo and dota.
so here's to waiting for sc2 and diablo 3.

[IzKyD1331]

lol, i didnt beat GTA san andreas until like 4 months after i bought it, i beat like 70 missions, then after i just ran around shooting cops

[masterg]

Pacther is dead on i this one.
A lot of times I don't agree with him, but I think he said everything just like it's going to happen.

[TheExecutive]

Well now that i have seen the new video I agree with you completely. I usually disagree with him too but I think hes nailed it. GTA is a PS brand. Along with the momentum the PS3 has GTA will sell more consoles on the PS side of things.

[alster23]

patcher totally right i asked one of my friend why he got a ps3 and he said for gta4

[callahan09]

I think Pachter is generally pretty knowledgeable. I think his 350k for 360, 500k for PS3 prediction is going to be pretty accurate. Even if the numbers themselves aren't accurate, I do think the ratio will be. He didn't mention this, but GT5 Prologue is going to be a pretty big influence there, too, in my estimation.

[alster23]

id like agree that only hardcore gamers will be interested in the DLC. to the general public i think they dont even know that exculsive DLC even exists.

[alster23]

dont forget dualshock 3

[actas123]

Yep Patcher is right. Last night I asked one of my friends why he got a Ps3 and he said Patcher told him to do so. So yeh.. lol

[TriggerHippie]

And MGS4 in a couple months.

[whoelse]

Lol. He contradicted himself. Hes only just gone about saying that he think the 360 will outsell the PS3 version 2:1!

[dragunrising]

A price drop on the 360. When did n4g become such a haven for Sony "exclusive" gamers? Its like they flock here, take over this site and make it sound like everything Sony related is the best. I own a ps2/3 and psp and its hard to swallow some of the things that are said in the name of "gamer zone".

[TheExecutive]

A price drop for the 360 would spur sales but there are two questions that would need to be asked.

1.) How long would it spur sales for?
2.) would it actually entice last gen gaming owners to effectively switch consoles for this calendar year? (they would be unlikely to buy two consoles in the same year)

1.) Personally I think it would spur sales for 3 weeks and then fall off again
2.) I dont think it would persuade those who have been waiting to jump into the next gen to choose the 360 over the ps3. Ps2 owners have been waiting a long time for this game to come out and they have been waiting for it to come out on the ps3. Ask any ps2 owner what brand they are thinking about going with

On another note: have you ever considered a price drop for the ps3 around the middle of this month? Now that they have cut the price of production for the ps3 in half they are in a comparable position to MS to lower their price.

I dont think they will, I think they will come out with new features (possible HOME open beta or in-game XMB) before they drop the price this early in the year; but they can and will if they find it necessary.

So yeah i thought about it, but i wonder about the efficacy of such a move from MS.

[Mr Playboy]

and I need to get the best copy which is the xbox360 version

I can't wait

[TheExecutive]

well i somewhat agree. but after about 90 hours of playing this ONE game I will be sick of it. Moving on to:

MGS
LBP
KZ2
R2
White Knight
Socom

[brothersimon]

Indeed. 360 w/ DLC = best thing to happen in april.

Lmfao @ TheExecutive.. lame excuse... people still play GTASA to this day

[power of Green]

Anybody can throw up a list of games. Adding value to a game later on is great news to gamers. Go play those games and I'll play whats coming to me doesn't change the fact I can put GTA4 in the Xbox months later and enjoy new gameplay after those games you mention are collecting dust.

[TurdStationPee]

lmao @ fanboys pretending they don't want new expansions. almost as funny as them pretending to want kiddy big pedophile. hilarious! :)

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 2]

LAUGHABLE!(Like the xBox 360 Console!!!) ;-D
YOU AND YOUR xBot Lemmings HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN ANY GAMEPLAY YET???
YOU LOT DREAM TO MUCH!!! ;-D
PS3 version is 60 times bigger! ;-D
PS3 version has One Million hours of game play! ;-D
PS3 version has 6000 more Weapons! ;-D
(GOD! i sound like a xBox Lemming!who thinks he has played it?!?!)
;-D

[ForTheFallen]

Well said Executive.

[Varsarus]

but the latest trailer had REALLY bad frame rates and wasn't it played on the 360? because the others have been HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[niall77]

BUT

once may is over its all PS3 until gears2.

the ps3 will have MGS4, Little big plannet motorstorm2, resistance2 and maybe Killzone2 before the next big 360 game.

so in the long run the ps3 will keep the lead its been having over the 360.

[alster23]

i think LBP and resistane 2 will be released in november to fight gears 2

[Bigrhyno]

Gears will sell a lot, but I don't see it moving many consoles. The PS3 is going to have a bunch of new and returning franchises from old days, and a lot of people will buy it for those. If you are a fan of Gears... then you probably already have a 360.

[socomnick]

The combined might of lbp and Resistance 2 wont do anything to the Goliath that is Gears of war 2.

[gambare]

I remember shadow of the colossus for some reason.... Invincible giants destroyed by a small human

[QuackPot]

The xbox 360 will clearly dominate gta game sales

and the ps3 will better the 360 in console sales...due mainly to traditional gta fans who don't have a next gen console yet, have a ps2 ownership background.

As for GeoW2, it will be like Halo3 - you just can't compete against a good game with a huge diehard fan base.

But like Halo3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, GREAT exclusives aren't going to result in significant console sales if you already have that console.

The great Ps2 migration to the Ps3 still hasn't begun.......damn you pesky Wii lol.

[PStriple703]

From a software stand point gta will do good
but from a hardware stand point gta will move unit's for the ps3

[Meus Renaissance]

Those software sales for both platforms will be very interesting. I think the industry is swaying to the opinion that GTA4 will have a bigger impact on the PlayStation 3 model business than that of Microsoft's.

The DLC itself is questionable in my opinion. Why are people getting so excited about it when they dont even know what it could be? Will it be a few more missions, extra vehicles - will this unknown content that is to be released in fall of 2008 be enough to sway people to Jump In and dismiss the PlayStation, for which it found its fanbase on?

[vloeistof]

360 will sell more copies

but i think gta will boost ps3 sales

[TheExecutive]

yep i agree, lifetime sales will be higher on the ps3 though.

[eagle21]

The game will be nearly identical at $60.00. Whether the PS3 may have an edge in areas or 360 is yet to be seen on the graphics front. Both will be top sellers for each platform. The DLC issue is just that an "issue". No one knows if it will even be worth the wait, time and money.

Home inclusion will be welcomed because it's Free and Home has the buzz right now, so every publisher including Sony will try to one-up the competition in Home.

Software sales will be fought short term and long term. Keep that in MIND.

No use in fighting, because everyone has something to look forward to.

[mboojigga]

If the main game has been worth the wait then I don't understand the logic behind saying that the DLC won't be worth the wait when it is made by Rockstar.

[eagle21]

Both PS3 and 360 will get their own exclusive DLC or (Home Content,, lIVE) that the HARDCORE player will enjoy.

It's really about the casual or core player who knows GTA to be a PS brand, no reason to act like it's not (57 million sold on PS brand alone versus like 3 million on xbox?) These players will buy a PS3 for this and the plethora of awesome exclusives on PS3 this year. Let's just erase the fact that DLC can even try to compete with the likes of Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5, one has to be insane to think that. :)

Worth the wait, time, and money (for both PS3 and 360 DLC) is a question for the college student, parent, casual player, non console owner etc. Not the HARDCORE YARDCORE PLAYER...lol

[power of Green]

Smart people will get the version with the most value, devs expanding the game after the retail product has released is very important to many gamers(Its f-ing great to know the money you spent on a game will be payed attention to months down the road).

[heyheyhey]

im seeing double lol

joke- your not the same guy, just two different idiots

and MART- do you even realise how repetetive you are? find some new material mate, you post the same exact thing in each one of these threads

[digger18]

You right Mart, the 360 is cheaper, but and its a big but, Europeans love GT series games a whole lot, so they will be looking at which console plays both GTA and GT.

Looking at the sales in UK alone, pre orders for GTA IV on the PS3 is far outselling the Xbox360 version, Plus the PS3/GT5p pack is selling like hot cakes.

On another note, If you buy the cheaper Xbox360 you can't even get the DLC, no HDD!!!!

[ICUP]

"Add to that factor that new console buyers that want GTA IV will also think about the startup costs:

PS3 399 Euro

360 Premium 269 Euro.

Thats 130 Euro to save right there, to buy GTA IV with and even have some money for a second game"

Let me add something to this

360-16% failure, $50-60 for online.

PS3-superb reliable hardware, you can play the game hour upon hour without worrying your console crapping out on you, and last FREE online.

[ukilnme]

I think software sales will be even at first but the PS3 will sell more in the long run. As for the 360's DLC, I don't know what to expect. The $50 Million that MS paid for it should have secured the rights to a new game.

[power of Green]

The only way the PS3 version will out sell the 360 version will be because of a much better game being released that will cause 360 gamers to stop and say screw that this is better. We'll see how good APB is.

People will continue to buy GTA4, this logic of people will *all of a sudden stop buying this title on the 360* when its a western series(game) on a western console is ridiculous.

Heard the samething about DMC4 and its a Japanse title on a platform that loves new and western games.

Pachter can only guess as far as the sources allow. lol Both companies will have very agressive marketing campaigns and incentives that could pop out of the woodwork. Pachter is irrelevant, deals and marketing and hype are not.

[TheExecutive]

Nah the way that the ps3 version will sell more is because the lifetime sales of the ps3 are going to destroy the 360's. The trend is starting now and it will just continue on.

I know you will disagree but just save this thread and come back in a few years.

[DJ]

Why do you need so many accounts dude? Can't you just stick with one? (talking to PowerofGreen) I think you should stick with the one you're using in this post, just 'cause the avatar's a lot cooler and the name agrees with your persona.

[TheMART]

Add to that factor that new console buyers that want GTA IV will also think about the startup costs:

PS3 399 Euro

360 Premium 269 Euro.

Thats 130 Euro to save right there, to buy GTA IV with and even have some money for a second game

[ianp622]

If you're going to use Devil May Cry 4 as an example, why don't you point out that both 360 and PS3 sold about the same number of copies even though there are almost twice as many 360's sold?

[JD_Shadow]

....that the game will just equally well on both platforms, with the PS3 moving more systems for it. In the wake of the PSW article that got people talking, the DLC advantage and argument is now all but a non-issue, and now we can finally focus on the game itself, and people can now safely just choose which is their favorite platform without worrying about missing much, which is good for business.

Personally, I think regardless of which system you get it on, the game will rock, and it will be one of the biggest games of the year. That's the safe bet here.

In the end, the gaming industry wins.

[The Lazy One]

Even if you don't finish the whole game, or do all the side missions, people will still buy DLC. Take oblivion, I finished the main quest, no side missions, and still bought 3 of the DLCs for it and played them all the way through.

You don't have to play a game to it's fullest to take advantage of DLC. In fact, the best DLC will allow you to take advantage of it without even taking into account how much of the original game you played.

[UnDone14]

I don't think DLC content will be that big with a casual gamer.

Most people that are not part of the hardcore crowd will be turned off by not only paying $60 plus dollars for the game, but then they'll have to pay an additional fee (probably between $5-$15 bucks?) for additional content for a game that they have yet to finish? (remember casual players will not be investing 50 hours on a game)

Unless the DLC content adds to the actual gameplay (i.e. Playing a taxi driver, firefighter, etc.) and not just adds missions, I don't see it as a selling point to a casual gamer. It will cater only to the hardcore.

Right now Sony has the momentum and having just won the format war, a person who has yet to buy a next gen console could possible lean towards the PS3 more for that simple reason. PS3 is a console with high value and at a pretty good price right now. Throw in GTA4 and you have a person that was on the fence before, jumping in.

[power of Green]

You're doing exactly what Patcher is doing you make comments on the DLC but have know idea what you're talking about its been known for months that the DLC are expansions of the main game not simple side missions.

I enjoyed the prediction based from your confused understanding of the scale of the DLC.

"Peter Moore, the then head of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division announced that Rockstar Games is working on two GTA IV downloadable packs exclusively for the Xbox 360, which will be released after the full game. Moore described downloadable content as "epic episode packs", and not just extra cars or characters. A press release during the conference said that the packs would add "hours of entirely new gameplay" to the game.[37] The official Xbox website states that these episodes will last a minimum of 10 hours.[38] Details on the pricing of these downloads have not yet been revealed, though it would almost certainly not be released for free, as Take-Two Interactive's former CEO, Paul Eibeler, have said numerous times that these downloads would provide "additional revenue streams" to the company"

^^^ Just incase you are still confused spreading false understanding of it.

We'll see soon enough how MSFT will market it etc.

[TheExecutive]

the DLC will be significant enough to be a MAJOR perk for 360 owners. I have no doubt about that. But the people saying that a lot of people will buy the 360 for DLC 6 months down the road is rediculous.

Ps2 owners have been waiting a long time to step into the next gen. this will be ONE of the doors that open this gen to them.

[UnDone14]

@ POG

Thanks for your reply. However, no where in my post did I spread "false" info. My comment was not absolute.

"Unless the DLC content adds to the actual gameplay (i.e. Playing a taxi driver, firefighter, etc.) and not just adds missions, I don't see it as a selling point to a casual gamer. It will cater only to the hardcore."

I was saying that unless the DLC was significant enough to add on to the gameplay, than it wouldn't be that much of a major selling point to a casual gamer.

After reading what you posted, then it is going to be pretty large content.

We'll just have to wait and see if the DLC will have the impact that MS hopes it will have.

[HarryEtTubMan]

lol get angry all you want BOTS, PS3 is going to sale the most hardware.

And guess what... the month after GTA its Haze... then in June its MGS4 Bundle HAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHA(sometime in between there's the GTS: Prologue bundle hahahahhahhahhahahah) then in September its Socom: Confrontation releasing with the OFFCIAL PS3 Blu tooth Mic's HAHHAHAHAHAHAH....

THEN..... Sony still is gonna drop three bombs.... three bombs you BOTS Want to pretend won't be AAA BUT THEY WILL.... Killzone was a PS2 GAME made by Guerilla when they weren't even owned by Sony HAHAHHAHAHAHAH.... Resistance :FOM was a vrey good gaame BUT STILL a PS3 LAUNCH TITLE.... let that sink in bots.... YES, Resistance 2 is going to be MUCH smoother, bigger, badasser(lol) and the graphics are going to be way better... I've heard Incomniac say how it was rushed somewhat becuase it was a launch game. LittBigPlanet will probably be game of the year LOL. What about White Knight Chronicles?? I game that is CERTAIN to be WAYYY better than Flop Odyssey and Bluray Dragon. hahahhahah Yea its triple AAA.

Killzone 2 Resistance 2 and LBp are gonn be BIG for the system. GTA 4 is gonna be BIG. MGS4,GT:P budnle will be HUGE.

BOTS YOU WILL BE OWNED BY THE S L A Y S T A T I O N.

LOL 360 is going to lose.

And PSW confimed Rockstar designing "Home spaces" which will include the achievements system on the PS3(Should be releasing in not too long) and also DLC for the PS3.... LIKE WE EVEN NEED IT.... no, the BOTS do be casue Too Human looks like GARBAGE, Ninja Gaiden 2 will be a rental and a short game(and I have the first on my PS3 HAHAHAHAHHA)

BOTS YOU LOSE. Patcher KNOWS whats up. Lets let the sales speak for themselves. PS3 IS BARELY BEGINNING it's dominance over Xbox 360.

I will laugh SOOOO HARD if Sony doesn't even cut the price of PS3. IT'S STILL PRICED 400-500$ MORON BOTS HAHAHHAHAAHAHHA............... ...................Sony isn't even trying to be remotely competitive... it's like to totally diffenret things being sold.... PS3 is ALOT more expensive and stil beating that ass HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH

BOTS WILL BE OWNED THIS YEAR. And even more in 2009 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA and 2010, and 2011 etc. etc.

[ChefDejon]

what does western have to do with anything i believe gta is huge world wide

[DJ]

GTA: San Andreas in Japan, and was just in utter shock how many copies were sold there.

Edit: But you see, Mart, your problem is that you're focused strictly on North America when it's not even the largest game market. That title belongs to Europe. DMC4 sold more units on the 360 in North America, but GLOBALLY it sold hundreds of thousands of more units on the Playstation 3. GTA is also popular on a global scale.

The GTA series was also available on Xbox, but only sold 1/6th the number of copies that were sold on Playstation 2. Factor in worldwide install bases of 120 million (PS2) compared to 40 million (Xbox), and you see that there's still a 2:1 ratio in terms of interest. I'm sure that GTA IV will sell more copies on the 360 in North America, but globally it might be a different story.

[power of Green]

People said the same sh8t about DMC4, saying it would sell good on 360 at first then the PS3 would outsell the 360 version, not going to happen based on numbers despite western games being more popular on the Xbox platform.

Now imagine GTA4 that has huge appeal in the western markets and is very popular in NA and factor what happend with DMC4 and X's it by 20 fold except because GTA4 is a western type game the PS3 will never match or outsell the 360 version, do you understand?.

100 million casual trend bargon shoppers maybe 20 million hardcore. lol. Who knows you don't nor do I.

If DJ's logic is true PS3 would be winning by default right now regardless of what game is out. lol

More than 11 million gamers would own PS3 if DJ's supposed 120 million army is going to storm in Next-gen lolay to PS3, they havn't so far because they're casual trend gamers going where ever the bargon is and the games.

[Hellsvacancy]

ill buy it 4 the console i own (ps3), im not no sad fu<ker wid 2-3 consoles, i like playin games but i do go outside every1nce and i while

[Skynetone]

im not mad about finishing the actual game, i always had more fun with the side missions / firetruck missions / rampages / Hidden packages / getting full stars and going on the run etc

having a few extra missions would be nice and all, id prefer more fun side missions as a bonus / hidden rocket pack / turbo boost for my motor bike / maybe a hidden shark fishing trip would be fun

[DJ]

People who don't have a 360 yet aren't going to be interested in buying a console just for additional content that 1). will not show up until the Fall and 2). costs additional money to use. I didn't see it until he mentioned it, but the downloadable content seems more or less catered to boost the number of active Live Gold accounts.

Microsoft risked their entire reputation in lying about supposed "hardware shortages" for each month that the PS3 has beaten them in North America, but if it continues to outsell them (and with Gran Turismo launching right before GTA, I can see that happening) then they really will be the laughing stock of the industry. PS3 has been outselling the 360 since October, and if GTA doesn't boost the 360 then....

[captainpwn]

I completely agree. Bubbles for you.

[power of Green]

And anybody looking to join next-gen because of the game. A handful of fanatical PS3 fans won't change casual but harcore GTA fans minds when they see the 360 version as the superior version, they'll think its the real-lead version and PS3 version an after thought.

Both Take 2 and MSFT will market the snot out of this version you really think these parties involved don't have major money they need to make. Take Two needs revenue and MSFT needs that money back and Rockstar wants to be a rockstar. Sony fans are being foolish about this its not about what you wan't.

[captainpwn]

Anybody who doesn't visit these game sites, which is like 95% of gamers, doesn't know about the GTA dlc exclusively on XBOX. I have a hard time wondering how they're going to market it. I've recieved a couple of emails from XBOX claiming "Exclusive Downloadable Episodes Starting Fall 08." That line alone in say a commercial will capture a users attention, but will they really be interested? Watch the video and you'll here Pachter claim that only 3% of GTA players actually beat GTA. What's the average consumers incentive to pay $10-30 seven months later to add missions when they haven't even beaten the current ones?! It's "episodic" gameplay, so we can assume its single player only.

When consumers are deciding which console to purchase come April 29th, they'll see the 360 for $350 and the PS3 for $400. For $50 more they look at the value added which is:

Bluray
Wifi
Double the HDD space
Free online

So, if you're someone buying a console for GTA 4, won't you want a proper console to play it on? Not even xbox fanboys can deny the huge amount of momentum the PS3 has around now with the value of the PS3 and the software releasing. Also, gamers will look at other content and IPs they know and love. Hmm...Who wins there? GT5:P will be out by then, and MGS4 will be a month away!

And lastly, its a PLAYSTATION BRAND! I remember about 4 years ago when I went over to a friends to play XBOX, we played GTA Vice City and YUCK! I couldn't get used to the controller. It just felt so fat and ugly. It shined in Halo, but it was garbage in GTA. I always felt more comfortable with the PS2 controller and style, just like millions of other gamers. In fact, look at DMC4. It tied the 360 in sales in NORTH AMERICA. The 360 has more than double the # of consoles in North America. PS3 just stomped on 360 the rest of the world, and tied in North America? That's pure proof that IPs on the PS brand will sell better on the PS brand.

So please Mart, when the sale #s come out, please never come back to this site. I still believe that in NA the 360 version of GTA 4 will outsell the PS3 version just because the base is so large and the hype around GTA 4 is tremendous, but on a worldwide sales chart, PS3 will outsell the 360 version in software. For hardware, I think the PS3 will shine in every region worldwide. Japan it will own because it has about 5X the # of consoles. In Europe there will be an exclusive GTA bundle, and in North America the momentum and value proposition for PS3 will drive the hardware sales beyond the 360's.

[kevin1122]

man, i find your posts amusing as hell. especially when you throw out words like fanatical sony fans lol. Your posts are definitely funny since you show such hypocrisy. But I think you like to mess with people and thats why you troll alot.

[Clinton514]

The PlayStation generation is a whole culture of it's own. Your preference and dare I say "fanaticism" exists because of your dislike(or whatever it is you want to call it) for any game related Sony item.

ps. Take 2 nor Rockstar are taking part in this fictitious war and it is obvious that they will market whatever they create to their fullest extent.

[JadeTyrant]

can you explain how the 360 gta will be superior to ps3 gta without using DLC? DLC has never made a game superior, its just a nice bonus

[-EvoAnubis-]

TT already has the revenue; they'll have 25M for each one that they make. MS is the one that really needs this to be a success; It'd be nice for TT also, but MS needs it more.

Besides, you really think that some DLC that you have to pay for later on down the line that most casual gamers (the majority of GTA's market) don't even know about is going to make a significant difference?

You're living fantasies, POG Mart.

[Alcohog]

Mart: You're an idiot.

Captainpwn: You make some very valid points. Bubbles.

[dragunrising]

But your also very wrong. Of every 360 game I own I have purchased all of the downloadable content for each. I am talking about Oblivion (100 hour game as is), Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, etc. If you think people won't be drawn to the inclusion of downloadable content you are mistaken. It adds value. You spend $60 dollars on a game and you want to feel like you got what you paid for. The 360 is still less expensive and may have a "surprise" price drop. Price is a key to this games success. Oh...and many people don't even know about WiFi and blu-ray capabilities on they're PS3. I do, you do, but the average consumer is usually a step behind. Btw- you don't have to pay for online on PS3 but the experience on LIVE is much better. Considering the PS3 costs around $50 more, the price of 360 + LIVE is the same. I own both consoles so I can speak.

A little know fact: GTA IV was made for the ground up on the 360 and ported to the PS3. Want to know why there was a delay in the game and no GTA4 in fall? The PS3 port was not up to stuff. The 360 version will look better, perform better and is NOT a port. The reviews will say the same. Quote me on that.

The controls are different than other GTA games therefore it shouldn't matter that GTA was a Playstation franchise first. I recall that San Andreas sold over 2 million on Xbox and the previous versions sold well too. GTA 4 will sell better on 360 in NA and comparably in Europe. Disagree and argue your point below.

[devilhunterx]

they will see the "superior version" die in front of them with 3 red rings.

[JD_Shadow]

...go and find that story about the PSW confirmation about PS3 Home integration and DLC. THEN come back here and try to spout your claims here (and no, don't try to disprove it because you KNOW its not going to work. There's safeguards against what I already know you're going to try to say about THAT story).

C'mon, man, just give it up.

[TheMART]

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Why do you need so many accounts dude? Can't you just stick with one? (talking to PowerofGreen) I think you should stick with the one you're using in this post, just 'cause the avatar's a lot cooler and the name agrees with your persona. "

Uhm... one last time for you, you're slow on reading. Mods can check IP's. I am from The Netherlands, POG is from USA or so. Maybe you should stop jumping on nonsense lies.

Ontopic, I am pretty curious about 29 april and weeks after on software and hardware sales for real!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

and i hope ps3 users will have a decent time with GTA 4, it started on playstation so i'm sure their still going to like the game.

the graphics to me are decent, it doesn't look better or as good as assassin's creed as i thought it would turn out to be, but that's no mater i'm still getin it foe shizel.

[ChefDejon]

there will be one or two diffrent commercials for the game both ending with the Xbox360 logo and ps3 logo, although it will proably mention soemthing about extra exclusive content avaiable in fall for the 360 (with out noting it will take additioanl cost) and both sony and microsoft will be marketing a GTA4 bundle

[Clinton514]

I find he bid a little to high on the first month of PS3 GTA IV sales, although by the end of the year , I believe the PS3 GTA sales will outdo the 360s. He feel he is right about PS2 owners olding out finally making their next-gen transition to the PS3.

DLC isn't as big as a factor as some like to pretend it to be. No matter how much you want it, there will be a million other people out there who never heard of DLC and don't care for it.

As for me, I'll be picking this up on my PS3. I'm extremely selective about purchase anything else for my 360 at this time.

[dragunrising]

Why are you picking the game up for ps3? It is a port of the 360 version. Read my post above your own. Why not buy the 360 version that has downloadable content? If you excuse is rrod that is lame. I am on my second Xbox and its been a year and a half with no problems and none expected. They fixed the problem. If you want to buy the inferior PS3 version go ahead but don't say nobody warned you.

[Chriswsm]

Does anyone really care? If someone owns just one of the two consoles they will buy the game that matches their console. People with both consoles either need to be decisive or they need to get out more.

[UnDone14]

LOL. Exactly.

Yeah I have both consoles but will be getting the PS3 version. I actually plan on selling my 360 so that I can focus only on PS3. I'll probably buy another 360 down the line though.

[JadeTyrant]

it seems every fanboy tries to defend his console by pointing out flaws the other system has, like their system is perfect. no system is better than the next one, they all have their ups and downs. there is no best anything. if there was it would be the only thing people will buy. the xbox is known for its online functions and always has been, the playstation is known for its game library and exclusives. yes i know right now 360 has more games than ps3 but i am talking history. before the xbox, M$ was and still is the biggest software company in the world. they saw that an electronics giant(sony)entered the game market and successfully stomped all over big nintendo. who would have thought that was possible? so M$ wanted to try there hand at it thinking they would destroy everything in there path. they actually did pretty good the first time with halo and everything. but they screwed up with the 360 by rushing it out too fast just to be first with next gen hardware. and it slapped them in the face with a big RROD. you cannot compete with sony in hardware, and you cannot compete with M$ in software is the bottom line. Nintendo is doing there own thing. sorry for no paragraphs, i never was good at writing

[Mikey Mike]

more people are pumped up about GTA IV on the PS3, why, because of familiarity.

[candystop]

This game is going to be huge on 360 and I'm pretty sure will sell more 360 consoles and software then any of you are thinking or trying to claim for whatever delusional reason! Nobody cares if the game was pretty much born on the PS brand because the better version will be on 360 and thats all that matters now! This is 360's game now so get over it and quit acting like a bunch of arrogant a holes!

[ICUP]

"This is 360's game now so get over it and quit acting like a bunch of arrogant a holes!"

l think you should piss in a bucket and take a good hard look at the reflection, because reading your post all i see is a 360 @sshole.

[Varsarus]

You belong next door -------->

[TheExecutive]

actually throughout this entire thread i have come up with reasons why it will sell more ps3 units than 360 units, all you are doing is denying it and calling sensible people a-holes. hmmm.... who is delusional again?

[JadeTyrant]

GTA4 is not exclusive to 360(its 360's game now) its on both systems and neither version is better than the next. its the same on both...both are getting some form of DLC...and please don't say 'oh yea, well 360 is getting something the ps3 isn't that M$ paid 50 mil for" OK and...? its fine if you hate sony just don't be a blind fanboy...if you want to be a blind fanboy then chew on this...how many units has the playstaion brand sold worldwide to date? well over 200 million...xbox will never see those kind of numbers no matter what M$ pays for...I like xbox for its online... I like playstation for its exclusives

[The Dark Side]

If you have both console than of course you pick up the GTA4 for the Xbox 360 for the achievements, DLC, and the better online community, its a no brainer. But, personally if you have to buy a console for the first time than to just get PS3. Than you should buy a PS3 , because you get more bang for your buck, $400 get you Blue Ray, Wi-Fi, free online service,and a better line up of games in the next 3 mo. Gran Turismo 5 Pro, Haze, MGS4, along with GTA 4. Plus you getting a more reliable system and that is a fact. So, when you look at this facts, DLC is not a reason to buy a Xbox 360 over PS3 this spring.

[ICUP]

Agree and bubble. :)

[TheExecutive]

i betcha there will be accomplisments on the ps3 version.

[PSWe60]

This game, GT 5 and MGS 4 are the games that will make the PS2 owners finally jump to the next generation and onto the PS3.

[ThaToNeKiiDKaBaW]

Sir Ken Kutaragi - "LAUGHABLE!(Like the xBox 360 Console!!!) ;-D
YOU AND YOUR xBot Lemmings HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN ANY GAMEPLAY YET???
YOU LOT DREAM TO MUCH!!! ;-D
PS3 version is 60 times bigger! ;-D
PS3 version has One Million hours of game play! ;-D
PS3 version has 6000 more Weapons! ;-D
(GOD! i sound like a xBox Lemming!who thinks he has played it?!?!)
;-D" Actually, that sounds just like the PS3 Fanboys and Sony Executives.. Hmm, always lying, yup, sounds like the Sony employees.
"Look at how "Real" Killzone 2 looks! This is actual IN GAME FOOTAGE PEOPLE!!" Yep, look how that turned out..

[Ko_Uraki]

Why? Because every game, DMC4 included, sells more on the 360...even in UK.
People are saying that the gap between the sales of PS3 and the 360 versions of DMC4, was minimal...but there is a great difference between an "sony friendly" franchise like DMC4 and GTAIV, the sequel of a game that was a blockbuster even for XBOX and PC.

[Whoooop]

ok... I think it's time for you to take a power nap...

Just to organize those thoughts
(meaning: turn delusion into reality)..

You're welcome to post later on.

:)

[sleepyk]

DMC4 sold more on PS3 at 1 million while Xbox 360 is at 930,000. So your logic fails.

[hanson520]

i don't care about what's sh*t Executive DLC

[ICUP]

Truth that.

[Varsarus]

because it's obvious common sense that ps2 owners will upgrade to a ps3 when it comes out as the series is brand associated to the playstation brand, and I will obviously buy the ps3 version because I've played the others on ps1 & ps2.

[poopface1]

sure some will but I dont see nearly as many doing it as many of you think. I know 2 people who only owned a ps2 who just recently bought a 360. One of my roomates still plays GH3 on his PS2, guess what, he wants a 360. I had a ps2/xbox but now that I have a 360 I wont be needing a ps3 for a while. For people who dont have a ps3 or a 360 and want one for GTA4, price will be the biggest factor. Either way this is going to help both systems.

[Varsarus]

You also have to think about the controls, ps2 owners will probably feel more confortable with the ps3's controller with gta games, plus thats another reason of why I'm getting the ps3 version.

[Anything but Cute]

But the truth is, I probably need to get rid of one. I'm thinking of getting rid of the XBOX 360.

I'll miss Mass Effect 2 that's my favorite game on XBOX 360.

The PS3 is getting a lot of hype right now it seems. Maybe for good reason, it has a lot of popular games still to come like Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Killzone 2, Resistance 2 and much more still not announced.

On paper the PS3 looks great but I'm still waiting.

Before I sell the 360, PS3 needs to prove that it can really hold it's own in the games department.

So far it's been all 360 with Gears of War, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Dead Rising, pretty much every major game released so far.

[candystop]

With all the hype being generated by Sony fans lately I can see were a confusion has grown in peoples eye's as far as which console to get or in your case keep! 360's library looks mighty hefty this year and I think at E3 MS will finally put things back in order and in there favor! PS3 really has a lot to prove as you mentioned and I don't think they've proved anything yet other then hype! If anything the PS3 should be the one that gets sold until they prove what ps3 is about!

[JD_Shadow]

"MS will put things in order."

They should have done this a WHILE back. It doesn't seem like the PS3 is going to slow down anytime soon. The console they will pick for GTA4 will more or less be the same console that will have more coming to it later on after GTA4. This means the PS3, since they will get Home, MGS4, LBP, they already have GT5P, a VERY possible superior version of Guitar Hero: Aerosmith (if Activision didn't lie to us about liking the PS3 technology more; THAT was GREAT news for the PS3 to hear THEM say THAT), & I'm hoping they put out FF13 by the end of this year.

And why would MS getting things right be "the proper order"? How do you know what that "proper order" is?

"PS3 really has a lot to prove as you mentioned and I don't think they've proved anything yet other then hype! If anything the PS3 should be the one that gets sold until they prove what ps3 is about!"

I have NO idea if this was just a typo or what, but I'm failing to see how this DIDN'T just burn your cred on this site.

[N4M3L355]

If it were such a big deal, MS would've paid even more to distribute the content to those who don't use live. In other words, the content will be ok, but nothing to write home about. Now I don't want to downplay the genius that is R*, but if I dropped $50 Mil on something like that I would expect the option to distribute the game in stores. "But ugh...what do I know?"- Regular Joe

[buddyro]

cant understand about Microsoft is why would they spend 50 million on DLC when most people that bought any GTA (such as myself) never finished it. In stead of spending 50 million on a DLC they could have funded another Halo project like the movie that got canceled or entered the movie industry with a 50 million dollar movie studio. Look at the zune that never gained any market share compared to the I pod which it was trying to dethrone. The Xbox 360 is doing well but the 1 billion that was put aside to help the red ring of death also does not help the company. Now I see why Bill gates himself retired from the company its making foolish decisions. I guess I am just Concerned about the future of Microsoft since I am a stock holder.

[rob6021]

Pachter is right on this one he hinted at a good reason why - Retailers are going to push the PS3 version. It will sell PS3s a whole lot more than 360s, When they sell consoles they have hopefully one more consumer to sell games to in the future. To top it off the Blu-ray inside the PS3 is important to most retailers, they really want it becoming mainstream (to sell more movies), rather than watch Downloadable movies take their market out from under their feet in few years.

You wont see a single retailer advertise MS's exclusive content - Its just bad business, they wont see a dime from the DLC, and they really don't want people moving toward acceptance of that model.

MS is fighting a major uphill battle in getting word out for this.

[tudors]

Patcher is wrong about Halo and GTA, yes people associate GTA with PS and Halo with Xbox, but if Halo 3 came out on PS3 and it was better than the Xbox-360 version then that is the version that I would want, it is the hardcore GTA players who really relish that extra stuff that may jump ship, so DLC does matter if you are a fan, a high percentage will go PS3 but what about those hardcore GTA fans who just have to have the extra stuff.