Dart from Legend of the Dragoon scrapped as DLC for Playstation All Stars; #ReleaseDart campaign!

Dart from Legend of the Dragoon scrapped as DLC for Playstation All Stars; #ReleaseDart campaign!

[sinncross]

... really Santa Monica? You had Dart but did not finish him off after Superbot were dropped from the project?

[CryofSilence]

They had better put him in. I've been asking for him since the game was announced.

[jsslifelike]

Well, in that case... get on it Santa Monica because, well.. this guy said so!

[CryofSilence]

Dang straight. :D

[kparks]

Better yet how about they finally release a legend of dragoons 2 or just remake the old one...

[NeXXXuS]

I say remake. and if not, i at least want to see him in another game for god sakes T_T

[jsslifelike]

YES. Where is a Legend of Dragoon sequel and -for God's sake- where the Hell is Champions of Norrath!?

[Delive]

Ahhh yes, Champions of Norrath. I thought I was alone.

[jsslifelike]

Cliffy B says Twitter campaigns do nothing.

[Reverent]

Cliffy B. also supported DRM and No-Used Game Policies.

The guy is just flat wrong a lot of the time.

[RmanX1000]

i never even played Legend of Dragoon and i want Dart. This game needs SOME RPG REP LOVE.

[HammadTheBeast]

NO NO NO. This IS UNFAIR. I'm done.

Btw you gotta play Legend of Dragoon, its pretty amazing.

Sigh. We get Heihachi and 2 Coles, but no Dart.

[CryofSilence]

The game is now $6 on PSN. I highly recommend it.

[kparks]

If u dont get on psn and buy this game for 6 buck im gonna come over there slap u and give u 6 bucks to buy it lol

[goniloc]

Guys, please help with tweets. It takes 20 seconds and has a big impact

[Mr_Nuts]

See this is what I mean....they have crappy characters in PSAS like Fat Princess, Two Coles, New Dante, Zeus...but Dart, f***** Dart from Legend of the Dragoon "Ahhh f*** him lets not finish him off"

What the hell, he should of been in the game from the start thats what bugs me the most

[RmanX1000]

New Dante was confirmed to be by Capcom saying "New Dante or No Dante." but i do agree on the rest of what you said.

[Mr_Nuts]

Then they should of said "No Dante" then and waste that character slot on Dart or someone else.

I wouldn't bend over for Capcom if I was a high up developer for a character I know people won't like or already don't like.

[fattyuk]

"I wouldn't bend over for Capcom"

So you would bend over for someone? just not capcom?

[Mr_Nuts]

Depends really...if I need to bend over to pick something up for someone or to bend over to grab a bit of fluff thats caught onto the end of that special someones jeans.

[fattyuk]

abit of fluff on the end of that special someone's jeans?

wtf.

[mitchell1188]

Lmao at yalls conversation. XD
Gotta love that jean fluff.lol

[xXBlondieVanHarlowXx]

Cole and Zeus aren't crappy characters :/

They are both the biggest hero and/or villain in their respective games. Fat princess isn't an award winning written character, she's about as deep as Princess Peach. Agree on New Dante, but to be fair PASBR was to pay homage to all things Playstation. It's past (Jak, PaRappa, Sir Dan, Spike, etc.), It's present (Kratos, Nathan Drake, Sackboy, Cole, etc.), and it's third-party future (MGR Raiden, DMC Dante, DS3 Isaac Clarke).

But I agree that Dart should've been there :/ Same goes for the cancelled Abe. The PASBR idea was great but it was poorly executed. Hope PASBR2 is better.

[RmanX1000]

The biggest problem with Zeus isnt that he's bad to play or that he doesnt belong, its that God Of War is already overly represented. Like a lot. Plus Kratos is still one of the most over powered characters. They should have balanced him before adding another God Of War character.

[admiralvic]

See, you get the idea, but you miss the point. That is also sort of the problem with All-Stars too.

You see, the concept is great, but a lot of "not so PlayStation" things found their way into this game. BioShock was originally an Xbox exclusive with the PlayStation version releasing a year later, yet Big Daddy made it in. Dead Space isn't really a PlayStation associated series, so seeing Isaac is a little confusing too. A similar case can be made for Donte, since the old style (who appears in Project X Zone as such) is the one seen as the "PlayStation" version. At least with the case of Tekken, it was always a PS 3rd party that had some history to it, over popular people from games that just so happened to be on the PlayStation 3.

Because of choices like that, I doubt we will see another title and even if we do, it's impossible to say if they will get it "right".

[admiralvic]

While it sucks he got cancelled, I am happy he at least made it past the planning stages. It's one thing to overlook him completely and another to at least attempt to put him in.

[r21]

Lets make this happen. If you've got a twitter account, tweet at SSM and Seth Killian. Dart's model was already done anyways! If people show demand for him, he just might make it in! PS fans, unite!

[Godmars290]

Screw All-Stars. Where's dragoon 2?

[ChozenWoan]

One of the only RPGs to stand toe to toe with FF and Sony has yet to make another one.

AaaAAaAaahh!!!! Now I have to pull that game out and give it another go round... the classics never get old.

[Godmars290]

No. That LotD went forgotten after its first game, is only remembered by its fans, says that it didn't stand toe-to-toe with FF7.

Still it needs to be revisted.

[araman]

What Godmars said is true, it's a cult classic and the sales numbers from when it was around proves it.

[ChozenWoan]

This game didn't have the marketing or the brand recognition that FFVII & FFVIII had when these two games where released. But gameplay and story wise, this game was on par with the FF games of the time.

[Inception]

Well, Sony Japan Studio still busy on finishing Freedom Wars, Puppeteer, Rain, Knack, Destiny of Spirit, and...The Last Guardian. Maybe after some of this game going gold and the team took a little fresh air, than we can ask them where's The Legend of Dragoon 2 / remake.

Anyway, if some of you guys have twitter, maybe you can ask Shuhei Yoshida about The Legend of Dragoon. Cause he WAS the producer of The Legend of Dragoon.

[Majin-vegeta]

OMFG WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.THEY NEED TO RELEASE HIM NOW!!!!!!!

Sadly it was cancelled which is stupid.Sony really needs to get with the times and make it.
http://www.egmnow.com/artic...

[Inception]

@Majin
Damn, so EGM already asked Shuhei about TloD 2 but sony already canceled the game! T_T . Maybe we should make some petition like oprainfall for TloD 2 or remake.

Btw, thx for the info mate, really appreciate it. Here some bubles for you ^^

[nnotdead]

Maybe the cost of producing a sequel to Dragoon would be much higher than the actual profits they would see. the cost needed to produce a sequel that would truly live up to the fans would be high, and i don't see many JRPGs selling more than a million copies these days.

trust me, i want a new Dragoon game as much as anyone, but if we do end up getting one it will be on the Vita, or similar sized scale game.

[fucadastates]

wow... abe and dart was going to be in the game?!?! two of my favorits.

[Williamson]

Its really dumb how iconic characters like dart weren't in all stars. He's only one of many that should of been in the game.

[-Gespenst-]

Allstars is done. It had potential but it was a fumble ultimately.

As for Legend of Dragoon, well, I'd play a second one because I'd expect it to be much better than the turd that was the first one, but I will never play the first one ever again. God that game is overrated by fans. Critics completely hit the nail on the head. Nonsense dialogue, amateur music, dreadful imitation of a story not to mention nomenclature, broken battle system, and one dimensional characters. The only thing I'm willing to give it is that its environments were occasionally pretty. If you're an rpg fan, I just cannot comprehend how you could ever like LoD.

[GameCents]

I could be wrong, but I don't think nomenclature means what you think it does. Certainly not in the context of your comment.

[-Gespenst-]

I'm using it sort of broadly to refer to the general naming of things within the game, as well as various terms.

For instance, Winglies, The Moon that never sets, Virage, the 108th fruit, the rouge arts, Endiness. Just all these arbitrary, try-hard, wannabe rpg names.

Even the names of the characters just grate. Dart Feld? What is that even supposed to mean? Melbu Frahma? Give me a break. Haschel's gotta be the worst. All the names just smack of trying to sound rpg-ish, but ultimately being really arbitrary and contrived.

[Myze]

While I completely disagree that the game is a "turd." The game has definitely become overrated. It was a great game considering it was the teams first and only (?) RPG. I would definitely have liked a sequel considering the potential of the team working on it.

The game was slightly generic, which is understandable given they were trying to appeal to the FF crowd. The game is just not as good as FFVII-IX, but that does not mean it wasn't good enough to see sequels to try and improve on flaws. Wild ARMs wasn't as good as FFVII either, but they still had sequels (although the first is probably the best, at least they tried).

Granted, a sequel would be nice. However, look at a game like FFXV and the scope they are going for. If you read about the game, apparently it's gonna be massive and obviously has a huge budget. I'm sure Squenix is expecting to sell about 6 million copies or so. They probably have to sell 4-5 million just to break even. Fans of Dragoon are expecting a game to compete with FF (in terms of production values and such), but there is no way the game will make any money. The first game barely sold a million copies between US/JP. That was pretty good, but if they want to revitalize the series and have it live up to what it will inevitably be compared to (FF), that million sales just won't cut it.

If Sony wants to make a new JRPG, their best bet is to just make something new. They can tie it in to Dragoon, set it in the same world, or even loosely be a sequel, but they don't want to make a game called "Legend of Dragoon 2," since half the potential buyers will have never even heard of the first one (or care). Afterall, it's been over 13 years since the game was released.

[HeroLv9]

OMG when this game was announce, he was my most wanted character that i wanted in the game! WHY!

[drsnoopyseussdog]

So now they have canceled Dart from Legend of Dragoon and Abe from Oddworld. Those are two characters I would really like to use. But instead we get Isaac Clarke and Zeus -__-

[NovusTerminus]

Alright, this is decent news. We know he was worked on all we have to do now is what gamers do best, take to the internet and scream and complain to get their attention. If these last few weeks have proven anything fan backlash can change allot.

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

Nooooooo.....

[phantomexe]

I would pick this game up off psn if they added him. Thats know lie i'm a big legend of the dragoon fan. They need to do another game it's been over 10 years.

[fight4love]

Yep, i had no interest in this game at all. But for dart i would of bought it. BIIIIG LOD fan right here, I would of bought it despite how crap it looks.

[BigStef71]

So first Abe is scrapped and now Dart? Come on Sony Santa Monica promised us more DLC. AT least give us one last good character pack

[DarkBlood]

WHAT ARE YOU JOKING? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO *turns into a super saiyan 3 for the first time*

[No_Pantaloons]

Sony's been making a lot of smart moves lately listening to fans, I hope they're listening now. Not only would it be good for this game but it creates interest in LoD which could/should be brought back, adding another exclusive to sony's list. And pleasing the RPG crowd that got ignored much of last gen, its smart business.

[Tales RPG addict]

Not cool SONY, and what about the Main character from Legend of LEGAIA. How about Square characters like Cloud, Sephiroth and Square's most ignored character "Fei Fong Wong".

[admiralvic]

Anyone else think the reason was a little comical?

" However, due to slightly subpar sales, Sony Santa Monica didn’t bother to finish him as they didn’t think he would sell well. Isaac Clarke and Zeus, the two previous DLC characters, didn’t sell well because they are characters that no one was expecting or asking for. "

If that is the reason, what did Sony expect when the first batch were free for two weeks (remember, you can "buy" something while it's free and always own it) and the second batch were free with God of War Ascension?

[e-p-ayeaH]

i would buy the game day 1 if this ever hapenned...

[Welcome2Die]

I said early on that if Dart was in I would buy it.
If Dart and Cloud were in itwas a definite buy, they are retarded for not reviving this character!!

[TronEOL]

That's kind of annoying. They literally had it half figured out, then canned him. If I had a character model done, I'd push that motherfucker into the game.

Not to mention it's a PlayStation exclusive character, meaning you won't have to pay a company to put their character in your game.

Bad move, PSAS.

Maybe if they make another one, they'll do it right. Maybe.

[admiralvic]

Sadly, you're over simplifying things.

Despite it being "literally... half figured out", I would say it's more like 20% or less figured out. This is largely because of how fighting games work, since balance is the key to having a good fighting game. Even if All-Stars isn't a SF or BB tier fighting game, they're still going to need to balance him out, which is where most of your time if going to go.

Contrary to the belief that Sony can do whatever the **** they want with first party characters, it's actually more complex than that. Someone somewhere owns the rights to LoD (don't know, don't care, not important) and they need to give permission to use him in the first place. Even if they get permission to use him, they can still dictate how they want him to play / interact, which might make things complex. They could try to find a middle ground, but it's not like Superbot or Sony SM can just select any and every game published by them without a fight.

[Yadagatsu]

Wish they add Sora from Kingdom Hearts to Playstation All-Stars

[BlackIceJoe]

I have a better idea just make Legend of Dragoon 2 for the PSVita or PS4. Then all will be forgiven.

[Darth Stewie]

Another reason to add to list of reasons as to why this game was my most disappointed game this gen.

[dafegamer]

*Facepalm* wtf Santa Monica?

[Darth Stewie]

This game was a giant mess.
I love that the gameplay is different from Smash to distinguish itself but I thought they would have included a cool campaign like Smash Bros at least especially since they decided Polygon man was the boss which was cool.

The game just wasn't truly a PlayStation All Star game as the character roster decision was pretty sad. Alot of the all star characters people think of when it comes to PlayStation are not even the game. Sony overall did a good job with the 1st party character line up except for a few questionable picks like putting in Fat Princess, Emmett Graves, & Zeus over Dart but the third party line up was a joke. Third party characters people expected were characters like Snake( instead they give us Raiden), Classic Dante (they give us crappy new Dante), Lara Croft, Abe, Spyro, Sora, Cloud (really they couldn't even get 1 FF character in the game), and perhaps the biggest mess up third party wise was not being able to secure Crash Bandicoot the first true mascot of the PlayStation. Yes I know Sony can't just put what 3rd party characters they want in the game because they don't own them but it seemed they really didn't even try to secure them and instead just wanted to give third party companies free advertising for their upcoming games.
ex:
Big Daddy and the Columbia themed levels were put in because of Bioshock Infinite
Young Heihachi for Tekken Tag Tournament 2 in which he appears in in his youth.
New Dante because of Dmc
Raiden for MG Rising
Isaac Clarke for DS3.

It's a shame this game shown some signs of promise and I hope Sony give the series another chance and create a sequel but fixing some of the problems I mentioned. This series could easily be a top selling franchise for them.

[pr0t0typeknuckles]

i couldnt agree more.

[Sideras]

He looks gay, w/e.

[phantomexe]

If they did make a sequel to legend of the dragoon they could go retro old ps1 style. That may save the cash and you know there are some small delopers out there creating ps1 style rpgs like black tower. Just an idea.... any way dart should be in allstars

[DivinePaladin]

#ReleaseDart this MUST happen!

[FortesqueUndead]

POWER TO THE PLAYERS! Bring back Dart Feld! #ReleaseDart

[Poshinco]

#ReleaseDart
Dart deserves to be in this game!

[DivinePaladin]

This NEEDS to happen! #ReleaseDart