Can 2 AAA Shooters Coexist?

Much has been said about the PLAYSTATION 3 since it has been released. Critics have often attempted to say that there is a lack of quality titles available for the console. With this in mind the same critics have stated that Sony would be doing itself a disservice if it were to allow the release of Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 within the same quarter. Some have reported that Sony has confirmed plans to do this, but have since been debunked. (See here). My question to this is: What is the problem with releasing 2 AAA shooters in close proximity to each other?

[toughNAME]

Two average shooters can easily exist...

But I definitely have hope for both Killzone and Resistance sequels

[Shaka2K6]

Cant see my self just playing one.

Killzone 2 will be the best FPS in the history of gaming with the best graphics, physics,history,action on screen and fun factor also this aint you average 4 hour fps, this is a truly master piece we know because killzone was the best fps of last gen nobody cant deny that.

Resistance 2, WOW the most advanced FPS in the hsitory of gaming, 60p players online ect you know the rest.

PS3 officially has the best FPS in the hsitory of gaming only playable on PS3. (NO PC PORTS!!!)

[Danja]

ohh man a lil hyper aren't we...

but yeah both game will awesome no denying that...

[pharmd]

you better believe they can exist.... they will on my entertainment system on release days :)

now if only i could play them both at the same time!

[poopsack]

aa you have an idea there!

[TheSadTruth]

@shaka
no offense buddy but you are just going to be disappointed when the actual games are released.. I was expecting Halo 3 to be phenomenal and it was extremely mediocre.. how you can expect Killzone 2 to be so good when the first was a complete mess?

Resistance 2 the most advanced FPS? In regards to what? 60 player matches is nothing but a lag and spam fest for console shooters, hell it isn't even fun in CoD 4 for the PC with all the spawn killing.

I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic, I'm not expecting GoW 2 to be anything special either.

[cmrbe]

You are very pessimistic indeed. Perhaps you are expecting too much.

[sonarus]

Get the F outta here toughName lol. Come here trolling our games. You know you want some KZ2 and R2 action.
To be completely honest one will probably get pushed back. If KZ2 doesn't get pushed back then you can be sure it is not everything sony hoped it would be. From the looks of things, R2 is sony's flagship title. Previously announced to release at fall sony conveniently pushed it back to November.?? My guess is to do battle with Gears.

I honestly think they can pull it off at least on the multiplayer side of things any way. 8 player coop plus a parallel mission no matter how many pixels gears manages to pack in and how many locusts get massacred with a chain saw i don't see them beating the content in R2. Numbers stand out all gamers need to here is 60 players online and 8 player coop plus 2 parallel story modes plus 150 foot boss battles across the land scape of the U.S. I mean the formula is there for a fantastic game. Also take into account its insomniac that is making it.

As for KZ2 at best it will be great but it lacks the "WOW" beyond the visuals. Only time will tell but 2 AAA shooters on one console cannot exist effectively. One will out do the other or both will step on each other's toes. Regardless though i look forward to playing both titles

[Whoooop]

By your logic, we can say that KZ2 will be great..

You said you were expecting HALO3 to be awesome and it came out a mediocre game, but the first 2 were good right???

KZ1 was mediocre so then it's fair to say that the sequel it's going to be good... right?

Also GG is giving a 200% in their development just to make the best game they can... They know they have much to prove and they are not going to release a game knowing it sucks this time around.

On the other side you have HALO3 which the first 2 were so successful that developers concentrated in adding 2 or 3 features and nothing more. MS spent more money marketing the game than funding the development.

That's why it wasn't what people were expecting and still it sold great because of the name and hype.

[toughNAME]

But seriously, from the looks of the 08/09 lineup these 2 games could be the only games that would entice me into buying a PS3. I like shooters:)

you can assume Resistance 2 will be a little better than the first, and you pretty much HAVE to assume Killzone 2 will be average.

I'll be honest with you, at this point (having seen nothing of the game) it looks as if Gears 2's singleplayer could solely outdo both these games.

And I agree on you last point. I think it's pretty stupid released two big FPS back to back. Not only financially, but this will create K2 vs. R2 fanboy battle. Similar to Halo 3 vs. COD4(360 owners) but worse

[Clinton514]

Being overly pretentious as if everyone is supposed to follow your expectations...if you can even call them that.

[yesah]

oh wow...

"I'll be honest with you, at this point (having seen nothing of the game) it looks as if Gears 2's singleplayer could solely outdo both these games."

You saw nothing of the game and your saying its so great.....You are the biggest fanboy on this site, congratulations.

[toughNAME]

I said sequels can only get better from the original (the VAST majority of the time)

Gears crushed Resistance, and Killzone isn't even on the map

Again, from the little I know now it looks as if Gears 2 will trump both of these "AAA" titles

[sheng long]

toughname: your replies never cease to amaze me. You're truly one of the worst fanboys on this site.

I think you're in for a big surprise when Gears 2 doesn't look any better than Gears 1. though that doesn't mean the game will suck, as a matter of fact i believe the game will be great. but why do you say gears destroys resistance? They're two totally different games, and you're opinions are so one sided how can you expect people to take you seriously?

However, as far as Resistance 2 is concerned, you will see a leap in visuals far greater than is the case with GeOW2.

[toughNAME]

I've said many times before how I expect Gears 2 not to be that different from Gears 1, graphically. Graphics don't make a game.

It is not my opinion that Gears of War crushed Resistance. Critical and commerial success show that. Come on.

It may piss you off, but if you open your mind...just a bit...you'll see that I'm heading in the right direction.

Graphics DO NOT make a game.

[IntelligentAj]

Someone explain to me how the first Killzone was a mess. I played this game extensively and have found little to none of the bugs that people have reported. I also found the game to realistically depict a wartime atmosphere(just not as good as Call of Duty)

[sonarus]

I am not a big FPS fan myself but this gen they seem to be the in thing and as a gamer i try to get into every genre.

As for KZ2 the only one thing that stands out for me besides the graphics is the blood effects. Like those blood effects are simply fantastic. The cover system seems nice to. It will be interesting to see how the mix it into the gameplay

We still haven't seen R2 but it is safe to assume it will be better than the first like toughName said. I am a BIG fan of boss battles. I loved the ones in gears especially the giant spider. The last one was a little stupid imo but the spider was crazy. Gears easily stood out against R2 for many reasons. Graphics being one but it was more of the gameplay. The whole healing, coop, Cover gameplay, over the shoulder shooting. Yes it had all been done before but gears did it best so they get tremendous praise for that.

Remember those bats that could only see in the dark or something and you had to stick it the light. Little things like this set gears apart from the average shooter. Insomniac are some pretty creative guys and with more time, i am sure they will be able to out do what gears had to offer in one. The thing about gears 2 though is all that stuff they started has been done and done and done. So to capture the same amount of praise, they have to raise the bar a lot higher. And no chainsaw to chainsaw battles isn't raising the bar higher. The sp mode also needs to be longer and tell more of a story this time. Epic aren't the greatest of story tellers but i am sure they can hire someone.

What was announced in resistance that absolutely sold me was 150 foot boss battles. When you are a little guy taking down something that big it brings forward that epic scale. R2 should be a shoe in for best shooter of the yr. Gears being a 3rd person shooter not sure if it qualifies. But gears is essentially the main challenge. And like i said R2 will kill Gears multiplayer. As much as i loved gears the multiplayer was terribly lame . At least in my opinion. Played gears a sh!t load of times till one day while my console was standing vertically i picked it up and attempted to move it turning it to the side. I heard the disk crunching and scratching but didn't know what it was till it was too late. Luckily i managed to trade it in at gamespot lol.

[JsonHenry]

Of course they can! The question is - are both titles AAA? Let's hope so!

Although I have to say that I am more excited about Resistance 2 than Killzone.

[sheng long]

ToughName: as much as want to agree with you on the graphics arguments, the truth is graphics DO matter.
They Matter to gamers and reviewers.
more than 90% of the fanboy arguments here on NG4 are because of minor graphical differences between games. are you really going to tell me graphics don't matter? I guarantee you a huge part of GeOW were it's visuals. If it were an average looking title, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the great reviews it received.
the fact that we're comparing GeOW to a launch title also validates the fact that R:FOM is not an average shooter, as a matter of fact, it's a great FPS. gears is a great TPS.

[le killer]

so how can they be AAA??? dear! resistance2 looks like it's got potential to be something special...8 player co-op, and 60 player on-line is something i will not be missing out on! but after the first killzone, i'm not expecting it to be earth moving in the slightest! and the ridiculous cgi vid from e3 2005??? lol sony can spin as good as shane warne!

[liquidsnake]

I think Im one of few in the world who actually thought KZ1 was good.

[mighty_douche]

Being spoilt for choice isnt really a problem I worry about to often.

Little experiment... Which one you guys more hyped for now, *agree* For Killzone *disagree* for Resistance.

[Blademask]

Resistance has some pretty good variety. If its anything like Killzone 1, resistance has it beat.

[ruibing]

Killzone has the atmosphere and mood, but I really like the idea of a 8-player co-op campaign for Resistance 2. Resistance 2 will probably be a safer bet on both being both released on time and quality of the title since it is using a third generation engine and is being developed by the much coveted Insomniac people. These two plus Haze pretty much has the PS3 set for FPS this year.

[yesah]

resistance 2 looks good but my vots is KZ2. It just looks more exciting to me.

[DRUDOG]

I'm more on the fence for KZ2, but RFoM was a great FPS IMO. Insomniac has already put out two fantastic games (one even at launch) and I really think this game is going to be that much better because of it. They know the PS3 architecture and make such quality games that I had to vote for RFoM2. I never played KZ (I was overseas), but I plan to borrow it from a friend and give it a spin before KZ2 comes out. Seems like it got mixed reviews. Anybody care to give me some feedback on it before I play?

BTW, I think the question of if two AAA titles can co-exist is ridiculous and I'm not going to bother giving any examples as many others here already have.

[themyk]

i don't understand why people have to assume that kill zone 2 well be bad or just average just because the first one was average. you people act as though people can't learn new things. and become better at what they do.

i mean sony has been releasing awesome games for quite some time. if they are giving these guys this much time. and been hyping this game as much as they have, then they must know it's a good game.

long live solid snake.

[Jack Bauer]

2 AAA titles can...look at CoD4, Halo 3, and Bioshock last year

but Killzone 2 isnt a AAA title, company has to have a track record of that before it becomes one. Resistance 2 tho will not be a AAA title either, it'll be a AAAA++++ title ;P

[mighty_douche]

Why are people so caught up in judging a game by its predecessor's? Do you believe people can not learn from their mistakes?

[Jack Bauer]

oh yes they certainly can... but they gotta prove themselves by actually doing it first.

GTA is a decent example... before 3, they sucked

halo 1 to 3 is an example of a backwards version

[resistance100]

'GTA is a decent example... before 3, they sucked '

I cannot believe you just said that. GTA 1 and GTA London are some of gamings Gems.

[TheSadTruth]

on n4g every PS3 game is AAA title
Heavenly Sword was AAA
Lair was AAA
You know the rest.. lol

but I actually think Killzone 2 could be really good

[yesah]

KZ2, looks so good, all the game play vids....how can people possibly see 'failure' in this?

[TruthBTold]

I am actually even more happy they are coming very close to each other. I am those that are kind of impatient, I know bad habit, so having them come out close to each other doesnt bother me none. I would prefer if they came out earlier but I am just happy they are coming, as long as its this year I dont care if they come out on the same day or months apart, I am buying them both anyway.

[Gazman]

Only time will tell

[-EvoAnubis-]

The PS3 will be fine. More quality titles is never a bad thing. Separating the two by a month would be sufficient. Two months would be better.

[TheHater]

why are people complain about two "AAA" games coming out within two months of each other. Only a few months ago, they was complaining about no "AAA" come out. And now that 2 of them are coming out within 2 months of each other, it a problem? Idiots will always find something to complain about.

[ChefDejon]

reason the first GTAs sucked was because they didnt have the power to make it into something as great as GTA 3

[Danja]

yes they can as long as they're not released too close to each other..

but im looking forward to KZ2 and RFOM2....

[happyjimmy]

um yes?

[Sevir04]

i certainly will be snatching up these games on release. no sense in choosing just one when i can do both.

[TheHater]

I have already paid out for both of them :) :)

[Clinton514]

Yes, they can co-exist but each game will no doubt be potentially eating into the other's sales. There are enough fans for both series to go around.

[Sev]

Come on over to my site!! We would love to have you...

[Clinton514]

I can make a post every once and a while over there but I'm also running another site too. :P It's all good though. Hit me up with a private message if you need my email address.

[Ri0tSquad]

yes

[Meus Renaissance]

No. I hope they dont come out in a similar time because I want both. I cannot put one down, and put the other in.

[cmrbe]

Why not?. It dosent matter to me. I am getting them both. Even if they come out on the same day.

[criticalzero]

MAN YOUR FUKING HYPER.....Ha ha...And talk about over exaggeration...
Anyway man...I gave you a positive feed back coz I like your style...ha ha....I know Resistance is going to be great....Not sure about Killzone 2 though...Actually I think Resistance is the "Halo killer"..

To be honest though, I really hope Killzone Kicks ass....I think though they're going to blow it...I mean..they are going to goof up on something...After GTA, KZ2 is my next most wanted game..Just hope they don't goof up like their first one

[H-V-H]

I have no dought that Resistance 2 will be great but im not sure about killzone 2 because the first one wasn't what i would call great.

[Clinton514]

Never played it uh? :|

[H-V-H]

Only a demo.

[Clinton514]

Even though it isn't an FPS the AI and gameplay mechanics are much more polished than the first Killzone.

[H-V-H]

Sounds good. Killzone 2 certainly looks great.

[sandip787]

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!
jokes
erm yeh i do,as long as they're not released at the very same time. a few weeks would be enough.
but then again, i look at a AAA game like GTA4 and i dont see myself another game let alone another shooter until another behemoth AAA is unleashed - MGS 4.
i know that i would pick up both R:ROM and killzone, because they will both be epic, but will the average consumer?
on the other hand, big fighter like tekken and soul calibur and street fighter coexist reasonably well.

i hope they will, both games deserve it. and id rather have the choice of AAA games than none at all, as many proclaim the PS3 suffers from.

[thehitman]

I think they are too caught up on 360 where they hang on 1 shooter for 6 months before they move to the next. When I played ps2 i never hanged on 1 game for more than a month due to constant bombardment of titles, unless its a sports game which I usually play until the next year version comes out. OFC these two can co exist there is no competition between the two most people will buy both and play both. Its not like they coming out in same month then that could cause a slight problem but they're not. I'll happily play kz2 when I tired of res2 and vice-versa.

[Rice]

Of course...

[IzKyD1331]

as long as theres ATLEAST a month in between each of the 2 releases then thats good

[Anything but Cute]

Killzone 2 is the one for all the marbles. It has the potential to be a stikeout or a GRAND SLAM.

Resistance 2, I already know will be an in field double.

All the real people want Killzone 2 more.

The doubters/f*gs will play it safe with Resistance 2.

[IzKyD1331]

i think you got it backwards, KZ2 is the one that has to prove itself, we already know resistance 2 is gonna own cuz R1 was already awesome

[Whoooop]

you should do exactly what that little girl in your avatar is telling you to do.

[Anything but Cute]

That's what I really believe.

That Killzone 2 is the most at risk to be a let down. But it could also be a homerun.

While Resistance 2 I already know will be a solid game.

Sorry, If I get more excited for Killzone 2.

[Dark General]

I'm only looking forward to Killzone 2. I have the original Resistance (that my friends talked me into buying) and it was average. It wasn't great but it was good. The A.I and Weapons design was top notch in my opinion but everything else about it was pretty average. As for Killzone 2 the E3 footage knocked my socks off and since i never played the first Killzone have nothing to really compare it to or anything except treat it like a new franchise.

[Utalkin2me]

You know that w3as in game footage right. Have you actually seen the vids of the game looks nothing like that footage. Sorry to disapoint.

[kewlkat007]

NO!! I guess you can be optimistic..

Sony not known for hardcore FPS...That has not been what PS consoles are sold on, to casuals.

The best FPS in terms of Gameplay this gen, still is a multi-platform game. Will that game be thrown under the bus when KZ2 and resistance 2 comes out?

IMO resistance is average shooter, KZ2 has not been proven, since many never even played number 1.

The question is who will buy into the FPS shooter, after the Hardcores get their taste? If sony's best games this gen will be Shooters, then something has changed...but yes them 2 games can co-exist but not sure about toping the sales charts together. 1 will hurt, then you throw haze in the mix which will be played for like 3 months before these 2 games are out.

[bootsielon]

I think Resistance 2 is gonna launch soon after Killzone 2 because Sony is simply covering themselves in case Killzone 2 gets mixed reviews like the first one.

Even though I initially was more hyped for killzone than resistance before either came out, after playing Resistance 1 and knowing that Insomniac has always made excellent games, I have complete faith in them. On the other hand, Killzone 2 is a huge risk that might pay off even more than Resistance 2, but it can fail a lot more miserably. As of now, I'm more excited about Resistance 2.

[yesah]

lol why are you in the open zone? that was such a good post

[Denges]

lol u guys look loney

ill join the party

[mikeslemonade]

We have the two games spread out over two months. Considering I got bored of COD4 in one month two months is almost too long. They should make Socom come out in October. That would be awesome to jump from shooter to shooter every month. The xfloppers can only jump from single player game to single player game and then they will be bored after a week of that game.

[Kleptic]

If anything...Killzone 2 has already succeeded in what Sony needed it to do...the investment that Sony has made with GG and what Killzone 2 ends up being is more important than simply how well the game is recieved...

Killzone 2 is basically a playable tech demo...it has some of the most advanced rendering techniques ever used in a video game...The lighting system is so advanced that it was sub-contracted out to a middleware company that focuses ONLY on lighting (1 minute of the first E307 trailer and you could agree with that)...and the list goes on...

this is all work being put into a proprietary rendering engine that Sony can use for 3rd party tool kits and other 1st party game development...thats what was important...to make it easy for others to make a game that is that crazy good looking...

maybe it will fall short of the hype in terms of gameplay, or story, or both...but it will not fail in the visual department...it will be the console shooter standard for several years to come...that is nearly guaranteed...40+ million dollars for development only...not for marketing (MS with exclusive content in GTAIV), not for huge executive parties celebrating the games launch...all that is not including the development budget of over $40,000,000...that is a lot of money to use on tech only...

[supremacy]

both halo 3 and bioshock co-existed pretty well that is until call of duty 4 arrived. but yeah if MS was able to do it with those two ips why cant sony? all they have to do is make sure that they properly advertise both properties well.

heck i mean if you want you can well add socom:confrontation to this list as this game is set for a September release as well.

in the end sony can be doing this to simply pile it on its competition heading into Christmas season which is exactly what MS did in 07, only the difference this time is sony has actually more than just a few handful of shooters they also have littlebigplanet and motorstorm 2 to serve up until 09 pops in god of war 3 and heavy rain and other exclusives such as wardevil and geteaway 3 final fantasy 13 and many more.

who knows other games like the agency and 8 days might also make the fall this year, you can also add tekken 6 to that list as well.

my personal opinion of this is simple, sony don't worry about a thing and just go ahead and pour it on like the patriots did in the nfl.

and just watch how all the analysts will start hopping on the bandwagon and i wouldn't be surprise if some hardcore 360 gamers do so as well, despite gears of wars 2 and alan wake arriving. bank on it there is just too much ips coming from sony and partners this fall. oh and i almost forgot Ncsoft is set to start releasing their properties on the ps3 this fall as well. so..... yeah.

also watch out for multi-plats like RE5 and COD5 to play somewhat of a big role this Christmas as well.

[Whoooop]

if you have the time and the money...

I just love the fact that I'm going to have a choice between two of the best FPS's this year and I can buy both if I want to.

:)

Going to btw

[yowoe]

Like Socom Confrontation?

[supremacy]

well i think of it like this, resistance is more like halo in which they are both targeting community and fun online mechanics more so than graphics.

while killzone 2 might end up being like bioshock in an artistic way, think scenery and killer graphics to drive that vision.

or killzone 2 might end up being more like a gears of war experience with all its darkness and graphics. not to mention the guy in charge of the game was once cliff b's partners in the early days of their careers, and was quoted at e3 by cliff b as magneto while cliff b consider himself xavier.

now when you come to think about it, just looking at gears and than looking at killzone 2 they are both dark and grittier, as if they both have the same way of thinking when it comes to games. man i have to find this quote i know it was in an interview on cliff b, it was after e3 of last year.

but anyways Socom:confrontation will also be around for a September release just in case people start to daze off.

[Trick Nolte]

KZ has yet to establish itself as an AAA title. The first one was mediocre. Sure KZ2 looks good but it takes more than nice GFX to be an AAA title. So I'z waiting til the verdict tiz in b4 i make that assumption.

Resistance is the shiznit and with Insomniac at the helm again I can safely say that RES2 is a AAA title.

Hopefully they will both be, I'm just worried about one(KZ2) and at complete ease with the other(RES2).

[meepmoopmeep]

i'll get both and that will be it for FPS games for me.

i don't know why people keep saying "the first one wasn't so good, why would the second one be any good?" with that kind of logic mankind would still be in the Stone Age if nobody improved on what they have done in the past.

[damnwrx]

I for one will still be purchasing both! Fo' sho'

[SIX]

Oh hell yeah!

[jkhan]

I mean there is no question that these games will be great. I own both xbox360 & ps3 & yes in my opinion it is getting a little stuffy especially the last quarter for the ps3. This won't effect the sales people are going to buy both games & there is no question about it that they will enjoy it but I think the online play of anyone of those games is going to suffer. Because people will either play Killzone2 multiplayer or resistance 2's 60 player matches. Plus then you add a list of games like MGS4(June), LBP(Sept.), White Knight Chronicles(2008), Socom Confrontation(Sept.), The Agency(2008), Haze(May), Heavy Rain(2008), GT5 Prologue, sorry if I missed any but seriously that too too many quality games. Not to mention multiplatform games. Sony should delay some games to have some breathing space.

[longduckdong]

Killzone is unproven. If only Killzone 2 released and didn't play well Sony would hear it. But if it just looks great and plays okay it won't be a problem because Resistance will play great

[Swat20]

since when were ether of these titles considered triple A

[Trick Nolte]

Resistance has always been AAA son. KZ? Not yet

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

AAA is all about marketing and how it will be marketed look at a lot of the wii games ...lots of them are considered AAA and are not that good and even xbox who does this a lot just throw a lot of anticipation behind the game and it will be AAA and marketing of course

[Chubear]

cause it seems a vast majority of the core PS3 fanbase already have these games on their cross-hairs and are looking at these games has must have collectively rather than a single entity purchase.

No biggy for me, after all the B*'n 'n moaning about "there are NO games!!!" it's kinda funny how jsut a year later it's "NO, there TOO many games. You should only be allowed to pick one. NO way you can two block buster games - CHOOSE ONE!" XD

[sleepbox]

umm, Killzone 1 was not even an A shooter, much less AAA. Resistance 1 was AA, pt 2 will easily be AAA, but too much premature credit is being given to Killzone 2.

[i3CuBeD]

It has to be noted that u are competigng with other console games too. This fall Resistance 2, Far Cry 2, Gears of War 2, and possibly Killzone 2. Also its confirmed SoCoom comes out sept 16th. Too me Killzone has to be delayed until march 09. Look what happened to UT3 and Orange Box this past fall.

[Covenant]

Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, and Gears of War manage to co-exist rather nicely, so I don't see why not.

[dalibor]

Can you have sex with two women at the same time... yes. Can 2 AAA Shooters Coexist?... yess. Is ps3 worth your purchase... yesss(imo)

[Big Jim]

Killzone 2 won't be released until 2009. September release date debunked.

[Rocko]

then Killzone 2 is officially vaporware. Seriously...

[GETPWNT]

Not only that, they have the nerve to call these "AAA"? LMAO. Gears is AAA. Krapzone 1 sucked. That's F- Resistance was mediocre launch trash. That's C+ at most. AAA? lmao. no.

[Kleptic]

no...it wasn't debunked...you obviously never read the forum posts by Guerilla...

they were only saying that 'you didn't hear that from us, so "IF" it ends up not being true...don't come yelling at us'...

they want the announcement to be a big deal...its the exact same with Alan Wake...just because Remedy was saying they didn't give an official announcement yet, doesn't mean its not coming...

MGS4 is the perfect example...a leaked release calender came out in February, giving a June release window for MGS4...then on a Konami podcast they claimed "its not true, its not true, we haven't announced the date yet"...a week later...there was an 'ah screw it...June 12th is"...and the announcement didn't have the big party that Kojima had originally wanted...

there is no real evidence that both Killzone 2 and Alan Wake are not coming this year...there was only the respective developers saying that they didn't give any official information to each respective media people reporting that they were coming out in September...thats all...

[supremacy]

@dark_dante_WiiPs3
12 - Hold Up
KZ has yet to establish itself as an AAA title. The first one was mediocre. Sure KZ2 looks good but it takes more than nice GFX to be an AAA title. So I'z waiting til the verdict tiz in b4 i make that assumption.

Resistance is the shiznit and with Insomniac at the helm again I can safely say that RES2 is a AAA title.

Hopefully they will both be, I'm just worried about one(KZ2) and at complete ease with the other(RES2).

perhaps, but take a good look at splinter cell, the first 3 titles were hits but than the following one sucked bad so.. whose to say that gorilla games isn't able to make a good game? heck FPS is all they know how to make thats why they sony sign them in the first place, besides the original killzone was too big for the ps2... i mean look at the the psp iteration of killzone that one got a near perfect score and also established itself as a hit. besides ever notice how dark and grittier killzone 2 looks as if it somewhat reassembles gears of war? thats cuz the guy who is in charge of this edition was once cliff b's partner in crime when it came to shooters it just so happens he was hired by sony to work on killzone so.... there is a lot of money being pour into this ip, so i think sony is aiming high with this project. i just hope for sony's sake that it pays off. but yeah i do expect this game to do good.

but as far as this being compared to resistance its hard to say i mean one game is already known for its community features and gameplay all the too well, while the other believe or not still remains a mystery.

[Trick Nolte]

Good Point. Let me make myself clear here. I want Killzone2 to be a AAA and yes the KZ PSP recieved great scores but I'm guessing that handheld games are judged on a different merrit than console games.

You used the SC series as an example of how things turned for the worst for that series. Thats bcuz UBI strayed so far from the original formula that it hurt the series more than helped it. I mean look at the latest SC, Sam looks like a fuggin hobo standing in a deli waiting for his chance to beg for a sandwich!!!(LOL@myself).

Insomniac isnt straying from the formula of Resistance1, they are "capitilizing" on all that was right with the first, Something UBIsoft abandoned after Chaos Theory. I havent played another SC since.

For the record, I want both these games to be AAA. I love my PS3 and the more great games, the merrier. Yet, I can only speak from experience and my experience with Resistance out weighed that of KZ by a long shot, I have faith that Guerilla will clear up any doubts I have but that cant happen til KZ2 hits the shelves, Right?

[Fux4Bux]

They can coexist and kick ass. As long as the release date is a month or so apart all is good imo. Along with SOCOM, Little Big Planet, MGSO, and Haze this year is just ridiculously awesome for online PS3 games.

[Utalkin2me]

Well it better, ps3 has had squat for online play. It shouldnt take this long to support your system. You should have a decent lineup of online games at launch IMO.

[BardockS30Z]

2 sweet fps > 1 sweet 3ps :D

[Xbox is the BEST]

the headline but both these games are not "AAA" Kilzone1 amd RFOM were not "AAA" what makes people think that part 2 will be. Hope

[PopEmUp]

is the best that xbox get so just calm urself down man

[iceice123]

WHAT the hell is with this title? TWO AAA titles? Neither R:FOM or Killzone were AAA games. This title is complete BS. You lemmings have truly just proved how desperate and pathetic you really are, you're like fox news now, terrible.

[Phil Harrison Mkllll]

Your still waiting for a AAA game for the xFlop 360! :-D

[PopEmUp]

need these two to finished 360, just MGS4 alone will CHop Marcus DlCK OFF!!!

[THE_JUDGE]

Long answer, hell yes!

[Rocko]

looks like Rob Riggle from the Daily Show.

[THE_JUDGE]

for sure, both titles will get my money!

[beardtm]

Two AAA titles?

Resistance :86/100
Killzone:70/100

Originals were pants, why will their sequels be AAA titles?

[Z501]

something like Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, & Ratchet & Clank are not?

[Utalkin2me]

I dont understand how these games become triple a, With very little info on res2 and when the first game was just average at best. The first title of killzone was clearly below average and 2 somehow it is a AAA title. Only the release of the titles will let us know if it is a AAA title or not. Not saying this will happen to these 2 titles but people bought into the hype of halo 3 and look. To each his own i guess.

[beardtm]

Does the PS3 even have ANY AAA games?

[Firestorm]

I has great games such as ......and um....................so there.

And yeah, I doubt those games will be AAA. UT3 is probably the best FPS ps3 will see in it's lifetime anyway.

[supremacy]

@Utalkin2me -
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I dont understand how these games become triple a, With very little info on res2 and when the first game was just average at best. The first title of killzone was clearly below average and 2 somehow it is a AAA title. Only the release of the titles will let us know if it is a AAA title or not. Not saying this will happen to these 2 titles but people bought into the hype of halo 3 and look. To each his own i guess.

well perfect dark on the n64 was a tipple A title but the 360 version sucked, so... again a lot of times these titles are lebel as triple a titles because of all the hype and heavy investments being pour on them, if a title is being heavily invested specially financially it surely means its going to be seller and nothing short of that.

shenmue was also a triple a title but, it sold way under what was expected of it, so people are still wondering for third installment to come around.

SO AGAIN YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

killzone psp got a near perfect score and established itself as a triple A title, and hey guess what some if not most of the dev team that worked on that game are also working on this game. and hey the only reason why a game like resistance didn't score above average was because of gears having superior graphics and what not even EA said it themselves.

[Utalkin2me]

Sorry wouldnt never buy a n64 so cant comment on perfect dark.But to reply to you spending alot of money on game theory, As i already said look at halo3

[whoelse]

Well i think September and November is a fair gap.

But August and November would be even better!

[VirusE]

2 AAA shooters? I wasn’t aware two AAA shooters were coming out this year. We have resistance 2 coming out so what is the other AAA shooter? LOL okay I get it, some of you guys still want to believe that killzone 2 is going to be AAA even though guerilla has never made a AAA a game (or a AA or A or even b class game). The makers Dizzys candy quest, killzone, shellshock and liberation have a fine tuned track record of making trash. Metacritic on games made by guerilla: killzone 70%, liberation 77%, shellshock 58%. Guerilla is like acclaim; everything they touch becomes trash. Betting the farm on KZ2 is like betting the farm on the next turok game. Then again the most recent turok game scored only 1% lower than KZ did on metacritic.
Here is a list of games that have scores similar to those of guerilla games:

Big mutha truckers 61%
BMX XXX 60%
Herdy gerdy 69%
Wakeboarding unleashed 67%
Defender 73%
World championship snooker 72%
Mary-kate and Ashley: girls night out 75% (yep 5% better than killzone)
Konami krazy racers 78%
Smugglers run 2: hostile territory 77% (7% better than kz 1)
Lair 53%

After so many failures you would think people would wisen up to companies like guerilla. People talk about Halo 3 being hyped but at least bungie has made games that have received awards and good reviews. KZ 2 is one of the most hyped games in the history of games and has zero pedigree to back it up. Never has such a low quality dev gotten so much attention without ever creating a quality product. I love my ps3 but I have to pretend that e3 05 and 06 never happened to do so. Sony has the worst PR of any company I have ever seen.

You can hit disagree all you want but at least I am basing my opinion on relevant data rather than a bogus pre-rendered trailer and screenshots that were even acknowledged as doctored. All hard data points to a flop.

[VirusE]

If you are going to disagree why not have the balls to offer up a valid alternative opinion? Ohh yeah that’s right because their isn't a valid alternative opinion; guerilla has no prove games PERIOD.

[cmrbe]

is a AAA shooter anyways?.

[VirusE]

Most people would say 90-100% in a review would get a game labeled as AAA. killzones 70% is far from AAA regardless of your definition. The game was given below 50% by more than one mag. It got a couple breaks from playstation only mags so the 70% is a rather kind number for a game that got dogged on in just about every review.

[cmrbe]

You must understand that Sony is helping GG alot with KZ2. There is alot riding on this game for Sony especially. If anything i think it would be at least a hit. GG last game was liberation and it was 77 as you stated. With their lessons learned from previous games plus Sonys financial and internal studio support. Don't you think they could at least produce a hit?. Say 80-90 on metacritic?. What i am trying to say is that there are alot of other factors this time around than just looking at past record to determine weather it could be a AAA or not.

Regardless. To PS fans, R2 and KZ2 are potential AAA games in their view as these are two of the most high profile FPS for the PS3. I think the AAA tag was used in this regard in this article as no one has reviewed it yet obviously.

[VirusE]

Cmrbe you make good points and i would be stupid to say that KZ 2 is a 100% miss but going by the track record of the dev i think its too soon to call it AAA.

[cmrbe]

the question in my first post. AAA is a term that is used loosely. I have seen people use AAA to mean these things so far

1. A game that gets rating 90 and above like in your case.
2. A game that sells x number of million copies.
3. A great game according to a gamers experience.
4. A high profile highly anticipated upcoming game. eg ME if i remember correctly was billed a AAA game before it was release.

Perhaps the author should have used N0 # 4 instead of the term AAA.

[Probotector]

Wait a second, Sony AAA games score below 70 in Metacritic? That's a pretty low standard for you dumb PStards. A franchise like Halo is AAA, Killzone and Resistance? LMFAO

[Fatmanp]

Neither of the originals were AAA how can their sequels be deemed AAA.

[Rhezin]

Sony's F!cking retarded, if this is the way they think they should sell games. Don't matter though, they're BOTH gonna suck a$$. I'd rather chop off f00lz heads and limbs in Ninja Gaiden 2. LOL and you f@gs are soooo hypocritical. "ALL THE XBOX 360 HAS IS SHOOTING GAMES ALL THEY LIKE TO DO IS SHOOT THINGS BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M A WHINY LITTLE BIATCH." Take a look at these games, are they not shooting games, jesus christ if anything k2 is above and beyond shooting. Whatever these games will NOT phase the xbox 360.

[undercovrr]

of course they can.... im buying both

[Xi]

cod4
the orange box
halo 3
bioshock

all aaa shooters that coexist on 1 console. Whether or not killzone or resistance will be aaa titles are not in question.

[OoLegendoO]

Well about Resistance I dont care if it will be AAA or not. Loved the original and Insomniac is an able developer. 8 Player Online CooP and 60 Players Online sound great and Im looking forward to seeing how the story will go on.

And Killzone 2. Didnt like the first but I hope it will show the graphical power of the ps3 at least.

[Angelitos]

Resistance is a AAA a game people.
Anyways, of course they can, whoever created this article needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
I beleive thiugh they both will live up to the hype and be gret games. Some reviewers, will be xbox360 biased though, so expect some reviewers underrating the game. Game..informer..cough

[tordavis]

2 AAA shooters can coexists. Look at Halo 3 and COD4.

[HardcoreGamer]

First of all my bro played halo 1 at the time of its release loved it, but he also played killzone around teh same time, guess what he always played killzone online, and so i did i, kilzone aint a bad game, its just got manslaughterd by reviewers, killzone had the best graphics i had seen n im gonna say better graphics than halo so please understand i aint jokin, now on topic, im gettin this over resistance,]

come on killzone

[PimplePopperMD]

show me little big planet

[Apotheosis]

I'm pretty sure Killzone 2 is going to get delayed again. Nothing about that game seems close to done.

[supremacy]

@VirusE
4.1 -
If you are going to disagree why not have the balls to offer up a valid alternative opinion? Ohh yeah that’s right because their isn't a valid alternative opinion; guerilla has no prove games PERIOD.

oh boy here we go again, how? where do i start? you see resistance might have been a good run for its money when it launched and i admit i still find myself playing this game from time to time now. socom is also a proven game if you want to ask for another shooter.

as far as the whole gorilla is like acclaim, that argument is totally bogus my friend, the differences here is that gorilla unlike acclaim is getting tons of support from its new owner and its internal partners such as naughty dog, incognito and yes insomniac themselves are handling them tools and 24/7 seven support and sony even went as far as to hire a former epic developer to manage this game, this guy i cant remember his name but ill get back to you on that, but anyways this guy and cliff b worked closely on a number of games in the past so they both share the same passion and vision when it comes to their games. the budget is at 30 million right now, and the right team has been assemble for this project with full ongoing support, so why am i going to think negative about a project thats getting in some cases more hype than blu ray itself or more financial attention than a sony flick?

the e3 trailer which they showed last year was an in-game demo and left many exited, now if we're going to talk gameplay than ill have to say that gears isn't artistic either if thats the case, graphics wise this game will have no competitors and if it does you'll know the names already.

also if you want to get your hands on this game before launch time i hear there will be a beta happening soon so.. this way you can say whether or not this game has what it takes to be a Trippe A title. and not have to rely on someone else's opinion such as metric.

to make story short is like ive said before many times just cuz you haven't score high in the metric doesn't mean the game suck or isn't worth a try cuz believe me otagi was a hell of a good game and it got a poor score, also im also simply implying that yes just cuz you have made a name for yourself of a franchise doesn't mean the next game you make will be a smash hit,and on the same token just cuz your previous installments sucked or tanked that doesn't mean the next one will, you dig? example's of this are as listed. look at devil may cry 2 it sucked, than look at what capcom did for the 3rd and 4th installments and look how good those came out? splinter cell was good until the 4th game, perfect dark was a hit on the n64 yet years later the 360 version flops? the first ever call of duty game used to pale in comparison to the metal of honer games now look at what happen when COD 2 and so on arrive? boy how the tables have turned, golden eye was a proven hit but the rest of the bond games after that just simply sucked, shenmue was a 20 million dollar project it was a proven triple A title but its sales sucked bad, so.... sonic adventures 1 and 2 were good than came the ps360 versions and they sucked. twisted metal same thing the 4th and black sucked, but hands-on came along and fix things.

who's to say that out of lets say not 3 but 4 socom:confrontation, resistance 2,Coded arms assault, shooters killzone 2 wont be a hit with all the internal support its getting? i cant say i know its going to be a good as game, but with everything im hearing about this game and everything thats been reported thus far im impressed to say the least im hopeful, hey uncharted was a hype machine months before its release turns out that i not only bought the game but love it and replay it every now and than trying to unlock the hidden treasures and extras.

all i will say is that im hopeful for this game, and i truly believe it will be a good game, hey i still play the 1st killzone game from time to time as well why cuz it wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be thats why, you'll see this game will do good and will pull its numbers games like these all have their own fanbase and blogs full of fanatics waiting to grab the next installment, just like there is a huge socom crowd with ps2's waiting for confrontation so they can finally make the plunch and get a ps3, there is a killzone crowd waiting for KZ2 to come out as well, you watch.

[Apotheosis]

So what Supremacy is saying in the tl;dr version of his wall of text, is simply that if Killzone isn't the second coming of Christ, it'll be a failure.