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"Always On, Always Connected" Is It Already Game Over For Microsoft's Next XBox?

Gamer-rider.com writes: "We all saw what happened with EA and SimCity just a few days ago with them requiring the game to be "always online" , which rendered the game unplayable for several days. But now we're finding that every game is going to have to be installed onto the console, and that's a slippery slope for several reasons.

Could you imagine going to Best Buy to buy a game, then get home and put the game in your console, and being unable to play the game because your internet connection is down for some reason? I shutter to think that this is the future that Microsoft is betting on, So for all that it's worth, I'm really hoping that this is really just a rumor, and that the folks over at Microsoft are a little bit more clairvoyant than what these recent leaks suggest."

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MariaHelFutura4073d ago

We should probably just wait for something official, before everyone jumps the gun. But if this is true, it doesn't sound good.

darthv724072d ago

are people coming up with the association of always on / always connected as being related to some form of DRM? Is there a new definition of always on meaning always online?

I wont pretend to know what kind of marketing angle this is but i am willing to take the implication as something MS is doing that sony already does.

Anyone with a PS3 knows their system is always "on". that is different than always running. The ps3 is on so it can do background downloads when updates are available or when a user is accessing it via remote play. To do remote play, your ps3 is always connected.

Again, this is something that by the simple implication of the terms is deemed always on / always connected. Now maybe not everyone leaves their ps3 power switch on or even their system plugged in but I do. It remains in low power mode and can be awakened by remote play when I want it to.

Im sorry if i just dont follow the same mentality of the conspiracy people but lets be honest here. How about we just wait for more details. I for one like the ability to connect to my ps3 from the internet and that is something the 360 DOES NOT support but it could very well be what is being eluded to for the next xbox.

If it means something completely different then I will gladly accept the criticism, but for now....i'm going to wait for more information.

MrBeatdown4072d ago

"where are people coming up with the association of always on / always connected as being related to some form of DRM?"

Here maybe.

http://www.edge-online.com/...

Or here.

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Knight_Crawler4073d ago

Yup MS is doomed.

It will only be Sony and Nintendo in the console business.

This is what everyone wanted right.

TheSaint4072d ago

Because no one will step up and take their place though.

See I can be sarcastic too.

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Blacktric4072d ago (Edited 4072d ago )

"The pros don't win over the cons."

Eventhough his post did get marked as trolling, I have to agree with insomnium2 on this one. People always say that PSN is what it is today because of how Microsoft treated Xbox 360's Live in its early stages, which is somewhat true of course... And the console itself has some great software features that I always wanted to have on PS3 (full game installs for instance). But in the end, the bad things Microsoft brought the table with 360 just outweighs the good things by far. You got DLC, season passes, timed exclusive games and worse; DLCs, being required to pay for playing online when competition gives you that for free on top of having a subscription based service that gives you free games every month instead of giving you access to streaming services that are also free to access on competing systems and yearly and bi-yearly re-hash/no risk exclusives.

And the sad thing is, this always on always online and required full game install thing actually fits Microsoft's way of thinking. They never caved in and made online play free solely because of the amount of people who buy XBL Gold to play online, and now they might've gotten even more cocky because of that and decided to pull such moves. And even right now, people are already defending such horrible practices (that or of course, rumored at this point) by saying that their set top boxes and cell phones are always on, etc.

darthv724072d ago

It should be pointed out that timed exclusives existed long before the ps3/360 generation. That goes back to even the snes/genesis days.

The idea of DLC didnt start off bad. It was a way for a company to extend their game's relevancy in light of a full release mainly because there wasnt enough content to create a full release. It was a good idea that became bad but by no fault of MS or sony but the devs themselves.

Once the idea caught on, it left an open door for other companies to cheat the system and release buggy or incomplete titles knowing they can just patch it later with some DLC. .

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Muffins12234072d ago

the built in kinect and lower specs don't help it either

Gimmemorebubblez4072d ago

Spot on, these are just rumors and should be treated as such. But these rumor are from reliable sources like Edge and VGleaks and they don't sound good :) It does not benefit anyone, Sony included, if there is no direct hardcore competitor, I hope these rumors aren't true.

_FantasmA_4071d ago

Competition doesn't really matter here. PS1 and PS2 barely had competition and yet Sony still dominated and brought out several thousand games and countless classic franchises. With M$ out of the way. Almost every gamer would buy a Sony console, thus ensuring even more great first party games and I think more developers would not ignore Nintendo. M$ is cancer to society, using free services and bare boned gimmicks disguised as a trojan horse to trick people into thinking that paying for it makes it better. Its psychology that gets these suckers to say "exbocks live is t3h best"

GamersRulz4072d ago

Actually It's not always on, always connected thats bothering me. its forcing me to install the games to the HDD.

expect MS to charge fortune on their own HDD next gen.

CommonSenseGamer4072d ago

You know that for sure? The 360 slim made it a damn site cheaper to install a drive. Who knows what they will come up with. Does the PS4 come with a proprietary bay for the HDD or you making another assumption on that as well?

1nsaint4072d ago

Agreed, its much better to wait till E3 or anything official from MS.

Although, i do think all this negative media is hurting the 720's reputation in a way.
Cause lets be honest, there has been a ridiculous amount of articles regarding all the rumors, and the comments on it aren't exactly positive..

Imo MS should debunk some of these rumors instead of just watching the public assume things.

Who knows, we might not even get to hear about the 'negative features' of the 720 from MS at E3.

Lol im pretty sure they won't even mention backward compatibility if it isn't a feature.

Then i just hope there's gonna be a guy in the audience who yells: CAN IT PLAY 360 GAMES!!??!

rainslacker4072d ago

I think it depends on what their actual intentions are if the rumors are true.

People will always jump the gun, just look at the Sony patent for restricting used games.

I don't find it bad to discuss these issues before they're announced, because I'd rather a company hear what people are saying, and then decide if their current course will be beneficial for their long term plans or not. Unfortunately, people do tend to take things to an extreme...which is what is damaging.

It could also be that these leaks were intentional, just to gauge public perception. It's not that uncommon, and can offer a better view than what focus groups offer.

If MS wants to do this to restrict used games, or control their user(which I wouldn't put past them), then yeah, this is a bad thing. If they are doing it to provide a better customer experience, but making the system operable without an always on connection, then it's not really that bad.

Personally I think giving the consumer the option is the best way to go. Nintendo does that, and Sony said that it would be optional as well. Realistically, MS will probably be optional as well, and likely more for services rather than gaming.

_FantasmA_4071d ago

I'll be the guy with the sign that says FAIL! And I'm not just talking about system failure but every failure that M$ has accomplished. PC stands for Playstation + Computer. And this is all you need.

1nsaint4071d ago

@rainslacker yeah i noticed that too, lots of PS fans didnt mind it to much when they announced the ps4 wouldn't be backwards compatible, while before the announce, the backwards compatible was a hot topic, for both consoles.

I don't find it bad to discuss either, that's even what draws me too all these rumor articles, to see the guys in the comments talk about it.
If only we could discuss it with MS or Sony for a change :p

I don't even read the articles anymore.
Cause well all the articles still say the same things as all the others, hell even the ones of 2 months ago.
Many sites know the topic is a good way to fish for hits sadly.

Anyway, hopefully its like you said, that it will be optional, or will only be used for other things.

camel_toad4072d ago (Edited 4072d ago )

If it ends up this way I hope it doesn't cause any similar issues to the train wreck that is sim city.

SatanSki4072d ago

Cant believe its 11 hours since you posted a reasonable statement on N4G and there is no one "dissagree". Im shocked ;-)

MikeMyers4072d ago (Edited 4072d ago )

MariaHelFutura,

If it is true and they are the only console doing it then yes, it doesn't sound good. Not for consumers that is but publishers would like it. Microsoft is going to have to have a clear direction with the next Xbox. They won't be able to rely on the competitions mistakes this time or have an advantage of coming out first.

That means Xbox Live will have to prove its worth much more than in the past if a fee is still attached to just gaining access online for games. It also means they will have to create more in-house ip's and not coast of existing ones. They will also need to define what's different about the new Xbox. That could be the new Kinect or something else and if it is an upgraded Kinect show us why we would want to use it and not force it into games.

Boody-Bandit4072d ago

I really hope these are just rumors and rumors only. AOAC would be a deal breaker for me and the 360 is my main gaming device. It's not even close and I own them ALL (Wii, PS3, 360 and a killer PC gaming rig). I did not purchase a Wii U because of the direction Nintendo went with it and I will not purchase the Next Box if MS does in fact goes this route.

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brandonb214073d ago

if this is true Microsoft shot them self's in the foot

Blackdeath_6634072d ago

agreed they could have easily offered the same features but allow the people who don't want to use those features the option to turn them off that way MS gets what they wanted without causing a scene but no, they went ahead and did what everyone ever knows is a bad idea.

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Prcko4073d ago

"Always On, Always Connected" Is It Already Game Over For Microsoft's Next XBox?
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GribbleGrunger4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

... Why does everything have to be reduced to hyperbole and superlatives? How about we approach each issue from a neutral standpoint and then adjust our views as new info surfaces. Even if this IS true, we can't call it 'game over' until we see the general public's response.

N0S3LFESTEEM4072d ago (Edited 4072d ago )

NEUTRAL?
THIS... IS... INTERNET!!!!

adorie4072d ago

Hey. I can agree with this, unless we're talkin' EA, then I am going to have to show my biased side. :)

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk7721h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE18h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73018h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor15h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos15h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor15h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos14h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 17h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies2d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 17h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 21h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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