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Historically The PlayStation Brand Has Forced Everyone To Deviate, Or Die

"Gamer-rider.com writes-- So the lesson of the day? From a historical standpoint, no gaming company has been able to stay the course when going up against Sony and its PlayStation brand. Those who've tried have either been forced to go after a totally different market (Wii and Xbox 360 Kinect) or faced the prospect of becoming irrelevant in the market (N64, GameCube, Sega Saturn and Dreamcast). With the announcement of the PS4, it's pretty clear that Sony is revving the PlayStation brand's engine and firing on all cylinders. Something that Microsoft would have been expecting, thus why I kind of understand why Microsoft's Senior vice-president of their Interactive Entertainment Business said that they're changing their focus "from a gaming console, to an entertainment console." Though something tells me that might just another way of throwing in the towel and leaving to Caesar what is Caesar's. As we speak, Xbox 360 fell behind the PS3 worldwide even after a full year head start and while maintaining a price advantage for the entire generation as well. Meanwhile Sony is still pumping out games for the PS3 including new IPs such as The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls, while being the number one device used in the world for other things like Netflix."

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miyamoto4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Great observation and great read!

Bottom line, that about sums it all up for PlayStation brand and its competitors.

classic2004092d ago

He missed one system I think

APPLE pippin, since then apple stayed away from gaming, I always laugh when people talk about apple coming into gaming when clearly they don't want to have anything to do with it since the pippin.

stuna14092d ago

Actually I totally forgotten about the pippin, so bad it didn't even register in my memory! Dang I feel old!

guitarded774092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

@ classic200

If Apple made a console, they'd come out with a few model every year :D

WeAreLegion4092d ago

That wasn't an observation.

That was a line from Sucker Punch.

TheDivine4092d ago

That was much older than that movie. It was credited to Malcom X but I think Alaxander Hamilton was the original person who said it. It's like when people credit Abe Lincoln for saying a house divided against itself cannot stand. It was said by him but he got it from Jesus. Little tidbit for you young guys in here.

WeAreLegion4092d ago

Haha. Thank you for the clarification. It does happen quite a lot. I see people quote bands all the time on Facebook. It's usually something King Solomon said. In fact, most quotes are just a variation of something King Solomon said. Dude was brilliant.

MikeMyers4092d ago

So does that mean Sony must also deviate or die trying when it comes to handheld gaming?

theDECAY4092d ago

That's actually interesting. It depends, however, if you think Sony and Nintendo are going after the make market. I.E. kids vs adults, stuff like that.

Cupid_Viper_34092d ago

@ WeAreLegion

Well, they are going after a different market. just look at the specs and the games for each handheld.

MikeMyers4092d ago

So what you are saying is Sony had to deviate like the article suggests others do because they know they can't compete as well as Nintendo when it comes to handheld gaming.

Cupid_Viper_34092d ago

No I'm saying that Sony's PSP was never after the same market as Nintendo's handhelds. Sony has always been about "specs" and core games.

Deviate: Verb
Depart from an established course.
Depart from usual or accepted standards.

Which course did Sony depart from in the handheld or console department?

miyamoto4092d ago

Should I really have to answer that?
Come on you should know the answer to that by now?

My answer:

Nein.

Sony can't be arsed to stoop down Nintendo's level no matter what.

Believe me I tried & talked to Mr. Shuhei Yoshida. I tried to convince him, that portable handhelds are widely dismissed as kiddie toys but they still stick to the PSP plan.

Good luck trying to convince Sony to deviate & put Nintendo-ish games on PSP/Vita.

They have their own goals that is completely unrelated to Nintendo. PlayStation started with core gamers, stuck with core gamers and will end with core gamers. That is the image they stand for the PSP since 9 years ago & until the end.

In fact, like I said before, it is the 3DS who tried to deviate and be like a PSP.

Adding an analog nub, securing a deal with Capcom to get the PSP's most popular game franchise Monster Hunter etc etc are some obvious steps to steal market share from the still selling PSP.

For 19 years since 1994, Sony PlayStation has tried its darnest best to take away the stigma that video games are young kiddie playthings and can be enjoyed by teens and adults.

What makes you think PlayStation will fall for the very things they have stood up against?

MikeMyers4092d ago

"Sony can't be arsed to stoop down Nintendo's level no matter what."

Really? So you play Wonderbook, Singstar, Ben 10, Spongebob SquarePants The Yellow Avenger, Carnival Island, Ape Escape, EyePet, and Start the Party with all your buddies on a Friday night?

Hicken4091d ago

Nice that you ignore Cupid's response to you. Miyamoto was a bit off with his comment, so addressing him was fine, but treating Cupid's remark as if it didn't exist is telling.

MikeMyers4091d ago (Edited 4091d ago )

Hicken,

Why would I further address Cupid when he already explained himself? He's right, Sony didn't have to deviate but they are indeed having issues getting the Vita out there. So is it a case of die trying?

The fact is the Playstation brand didn't force Nintendo to do anything in the handheld arena. In fact Nintendo has shown time and time again it isn't specs that matter in that market. So that counters the original topic. Something you seem not too eager to want to get involved with which is ironic now on your part.

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nukeitall4092d ago

Why do articles like these always use outdated information, such as:

"As we speak, Xbox 360 fell behind the PS3 worldwide even after a full year head start and while maintaining a price advantage for the entire generation as well."

The official numbers directly from MS and Sony puts MS still ahead. Look it up in the financials and do your research.

That is an old, misguided article that assumed projection as truth, that turned out to be false!

Lvl_up_gamer4092d ago

Not just projection but 3rd party estimates.

Even Jack Tretton didn't know how many they "shipped" when he was asked so he said "we sold 77 million....I think"

Clarence4091d ago (Edited 4091d ago )

Jack tretton said " I think we’re at 77 million sold right now." That's different from ship. M$ official numbers last time were 76m.

The PS3 force the 360 to try and focus on being an entertainment hub.

@level up gamer
Stop it.
3rd party estimates are the same as what Jack Tretton said. 3rd party estimated what M$ numbers were then M$ released their numbers. They were pretty much the same.
Let go off it 360 ended up last this gen, but it doesn't make it a bad console.

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Thatguy-3104093d ago

Gaming is Sony and Nintendo. Honestly I see other companies come and go. Not because they do bad but because they lose the sight of what gaming is and venture to a different territory.

IcicleTrepan4092d ago

Microsoft's only been making DirectX for almost 20 years now.. but yeah, they're just noobs right?

ALLWRONG4092d ago

Shhhh... you can't speak that kind of truth here. This is N4G, here Sony invented everything during the ice age.

wsoutlaw874092d ago

well there are plenty of companies in the game buisness. The author is referring to consoles

WildArmed4092d ago

Man, I remember when I used to play games on Windows NT. Some of my most fond memories of gaming are from back then. My big brother and I would take turns, fighting over who gets to play first.

stuna14092d ago

@dboyc310

It couldn't have been said better! Sony has IMO tried to stay true to the roots of gaming, it has been a reason why they have continued to focus on bringing more games even in the face of losing billions! If that doesn't show a passion for gaming, I don't know what does. Most would have cut their loses and moved to something new.

sdozzo4092d ago

Until now mfer! Playstation is back in black!

Bumpmapping4092d ago

I agree 100% Kinect was the only way M$ could keep up with PS3 sales.Nintendo did the smart thing by going after a completely new market and not going head 2 head with Sony to begin with.This generation is going to be one for the ages only time will tell who will come out on top.

ALLWRONG4092d ago

And Sony has copied the Wii-mote, PSN is a copy of Live, cloud, and now they copy Kinect. Sony has done a fantastic job coming up with "innovative" ways of copying the competition.

smashcrashbash4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

PSN isn't a copy of Live. Live is a copy of Dreamcast's store and Steam. Sorry but Live wasn't original and neither were Achievements or Kinect.When are people going to stop pretending that every single one of Microsoft and Nintendo's ideas were original? Sony came up with gaming cam to track movements on a console long before Microsoft even thought of it but you would never accuse Microsoft copying.They just 'improved on it' which according to fanboys isn't stealing.Unless Sony does it. Then it is stealing.

Nintendo took Sony AR cards to use for their 3DS and no one blinked an eyelash.In fact some dumb people still think they made that up and that SSB was an original idea.The only reason that they get away with it because Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys are too deep in their personally bubble to realize everyone has taken ideas from each other all the time.

Turning a console into a multimedia device.Sony's idea from the get go but they got the scorn and Microsoft and Nintendo get the praise for doing it now. They are smart to do it now while with Sony it was quote 'Why would we want to use all that stuff? A console is for games.That is why Microsoft and Nintendo are smart because they made a GAME CONSOLE'. And now people are telling Sony 'You need to make your console into a multimedia device that does everything so you can compete with everyone' Really?

Outside_ofthe_Box4092d ago

***"And Sony has copied the Wii-mote"***

What happened to not comparing the two in anyway?
http://n4g.com/news/1152148...
As pointed out in the article GOTTA LOVE HYPOCRISY.

HarryB4092d ago

I think you guys give a shit too much. The fuck cares about games. Live your life. A bad game is a bad game ( like blackops) so you move on. Playstation is whatever and if you don't like it then make paper planes or stfu and have a nice warm glass of milk. I owned both for years. Who the fuck cares.

MysticStrummer4092d ago

Ah I see. Your opinion on the subject is important. *makes a note*

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk7714h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE11h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73011h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor8h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos8h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor7h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos7h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 21h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 20h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 19h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 9h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 23h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 9h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 18h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 14h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 14h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 21h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 18h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 21h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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