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PS4 and Xbox 720 Frostbite engine tech help sought by ‘Battlefield 3’ developer (Photos)

DICE, the developer behind “Battlefield 3,” today posted a job offer seeking a Senior Software Developer for next-generation systems like the PS4 and Xbox 720. Some of the job description mentions that the employee will be working as a part of an “AAA game team” with the “Frostbite engine tech.” You can check out some concept images of the PS4 and Xbox 720 from Yanko Design, as well as some pictures of what appears to the PS4 controller, in the slideshow at the top of this article and the details below (via D

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akaakaaka4154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

That looks sexy!
Ps4 can do 4k2k games Pew pew pew ahhhhh I got exited sorry XD

ThatHappyGamer4154d ago

4K resolution is not gonna happen for games, maybe for movies. 1080p + 60FPS is what we gonna get for games.

DeadlyFire4154d ago

Well if Sony/Microsoft can push 3-5 Tflops out of a console then yes 4K will happen at 30fps for the consoles. Top PC cards can push current games at 20-25 fps. On a console platform with same 4ish Tflops and optomization we could easily see 4K at 30 fps. That makes 1080p + 60 FPS not only possible, but definite if 4K is their aim.

stragomccloud4153d ago

@Deadly fire
No, because the average consumer will never have 80" tvs.

tee_bag2424153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

You guys thinking 4k @ 60 fps is going to happen on the consoles keep buying into false hope.
You obviously don't realize HDMI cables and ports are bandwidth limited at this point in time.
If a PC has the grunt, they have the option to push that res and framerate because monitors can use the higher bandwidth m-DVI and dual m-DVI. This doesn't happen on TV's. The 4K TV's still only support sub 30 fps,
Honestly, Sorry to poo poo on your dreams but you should do some research on it before you talk nonsense.

Leviathan4153d ago

@ tee_bag: You have a point. That's why Sony invented a new wireless HDMI called DPconnect. Wireless.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/...

But you would probably have known that if you ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE!

Ryto4153d ago

@Leviathan
That picture is a bunch of crap.
You aren't getting 4k native games. There is no demand for that technology, majority of consumers have only just adjusted to HD, no one is going to buy £40000 sets, even in 10 years they aren't feasible.

So before you blow of crap websites that a 10 year old has mocked up, go on reliable technology -non- sensationalist sites for accurate information, and if you cant handle that simply google BBC news.

DoomeDx4153d ago

Were not gonna get 60FPS. Believe me.
People still want to squeesh out as much juice as possible out of the console. So expect great looking games, in 30 FPS. there will be more 60fps games, definatly! But the graphical beasts will remain 30 FPS, but in 1080p.

Leviathan4153d ago

@ Ryto: Hdmi 2.0 is slated to be released very soon. Based on HDMI Forum meetings it is expected that WIRELESS HDMI 2.0 will increase the maximum TMDS per channel throughput from 3.4 Gbit/s to 6 Gbit/s which would allow a maximum total TMDS throughput of 18 Gbit/s.This will allow HDMI 2.0 to support 4K resolution at 60 frames per second. Other features that are expected for HDMI 2.0 include support for 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, support for 25 fps 3D formats, improved 3D capability, support for more than 8 channels of audio, support for the HE-AAC and DRA audio standards, dynamic auto lip-sync, and additional CEC functions.

Before you guys call bullsheep, why don't you do a little truth digging of your own.

kneon4153d ago

@tee_bag242

HDMI 1.5 is supposed to be released soon and I'm sure that will address any bandwidth issues.

tubers4153d ago

Devs like to put more geometry and other effects. I bet we're still heading to 1280x720 land @ 30 fps but a good trade off for games that would look more amazing.

I bet 1080p@60 FPS is more likely to be reserved for "PS3 Classics".

tee_bag2424153d ago

@ kneon. HDMI 1.5 may very well be getting released soon, but it doesn't change the fact that 99% of HDTV's HDMI ports are still infact bandwidth limited.
A HDTV display can still only receive a input of 1080p @ 60 fps or a 3D input of 1080p at 24 fps.
HDTV's having an 200Htz + refresh rate is a totally different thing, that internal processing. They still can't receive the higher bandwidth

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morkendo234154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

from the photos

ps4 look like SMALL!!!! google box tv box,controllers with BALLS at the end???. 720 look barely unchanged with infer-red light (kinect) i'll hold onto my ps3 hope for the best.
not impress one bit with next GEN consoles.

DeadlyFire4154d ago

You do know those are concept photos of the consoles. Not confirmed design. The controllers are from patents, but not confirmed to be only way to play. Likely Dualshock 4 will appear for PS4. If its not broke don't fix it. I don't see why anyone wants the controller to change.

FragMnTagM4153d ago

I know that I would like to see a change to the PS3 controller.

I have never like Sony's controller.

The Power A controller I got for the PS3 has increased my playing ten fold compared with Sony's DS3.

I don't use the tips of my thumbs or I have to bend them at extreme angle on the DS3 in order to not slap them together every five seconds.

In case you hadn't noticed, I got long fingers and I just can't get used to the controller no matter how I hold it.

I got this: http://static.bdasites.com/... for my son and I can use it just fine. The reason being, that the sticks are seperated and it allows my thumbs not to slam into each other.

I actually like that small controller as I get a quicker response time due to the buttons being closer to the sticks and plan on getting one for myself.

At the very least Sony should release two different versions of the DS4, or just make the sticks interchangeable with the D pad.

Hellsvacancy4154d ago

Im not liking the looks of the PS4 controller

Raoh4153d ago

Neither am I, I hate the 360 controller layout, love the size but hate the analog stick positions. I have a 360 controller for my pc and my left thumb starts to hurt after long gaming runs.

Raoh4153d ago

I love that people disagree with what happens to me as if they are here with me.

TheGamerDood4153d ago

These devs are no longer playing coy I guess, :D Bring on next gen baby!

ATi_Elite4153d ago

Hey that's pretty cool....Dual shock controller comes apart and now you got a Move controller! That's pretty slick!

4K Games ha ha ha, not happening! Oh your gonna play 4K games on your 720p TV cause 4K TV's cost $20,000!

Next Gen will brag about 4k and will deliver just as many 4K AAA games as this Gen delivered AAA 1080p games which is ZERO!!!!

Oh and 4K TV's cost $20,000 so while your hitting the disagree button remember that 4K TV's cost $20,000 and there currently is NO media or broadcast in 4K resolution for those $20,000 TV's!

So just be happy with 1080p @ 60fps!

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4153d ago

Let 4k go.... Noone is buy a $20k tv and sony knows that.

GraveLord4153d ago

Nintendo thought the same about HD. Look what happened.

rbjmaster4153d ago

They sold the most consoles ?

XB1_PS44153d ago

@gravelord I bought a 26" HD TV just after my xbox, it cost $650 at the time. There is no such thing as a small 4kTv which means they will always be in the multi thousands of dollars. They're not a viable target for a console market.

nirwanda4153d ago

Both consoles are very likely to do what MS did this gen with a chip that will scale to a 4k res.

hazardman4153d ago

im trying to figure out how theyre gonna scale 4k res on 1080p display, and how you thought of it.. to me it makes no sense.

Hozi4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

The only thing we should expect is to be let down. Sony and MS live in a fantasy world and only when their consoles are out on shelves do they wake up and say
"oh shit, we screwed up big time, lets try and fix this mess quickly"

all I'm saying is you have to know by now that is SONY says it will support 4k at 60fps, then we will only get half of that and only some games might be 60fps. M$ too!So if games will really run at 60fps and be in completely 1080p but look like the agnis philosophy tech demo. I will be a very happy gamer.

akaakaaka4153d ago

Most of you guys act like lil 13 year old getting their menstruation wow.

Ok 4k tv are expensive because the ones that are on sale are 83" and is a technology for rich people.
Eveb 1080p83" or 100" are super expensive.

4k tvs wil be made in 32" and up and the price eventually will come down to price and I don't mind gaming bext gen ganes on my 1080p tv because it will also look amazing in it to until I decide to get a 8k tv
Yes tvs will be 8k but for movies only and 2k or 4k will be tge native for ganes. Just like this gen 720p was the native for ganes and 1080p the bative for movie's ..

rainslacker4153d ago

The price will come down, but will it come down in time to make it relevant for the next generation's life span? I could see it in the PS5 or next nextBox, but a year or so from now? No.

HDTV's were already down to around $700 for a basic model when the PS3 launched, so it was already relevant to this gen. I know this because I brought my PS3 and HDTV on the same day. That $700 TV I brought as a floor model for $400, and only just replaced it 2 days ago.

HDTV also had more hype, and while not everyone saw the benefit over SD, the difference was clear enough to make a lot of people want it. This just isn't going to be the case with 4K, as the differences are much less noticeable.

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KangarooSam4154d ago

Cool concept designs. Still hoping Sony doesn't follow through with the split dualshock/move thing, it doesn't look that appealing. But the second gen bluray discs sound sweeeet. So excited.

Riderz13374154d ago

Why not? It can be used for some amazing gameplay for games such as Skyrim. Imagine having one side being used as a sword and the other as a shield. That would be epic for you to control the blocking/attacking.

TheGamerDood4154d ago

Exactly. Who cares what it looks like all that matters is how it improves gameplay.

Hozi4153d ago

Umm, we have the Move for that. Oh wait a sec, Bethesda didn't make it compatible with move? too bad, I doubt they would take the time to program their games for a new split style controller.

rainslacker4153d ago

@Hozi

They might if it was standard on the system. However I hope if the controller does do something like this then it has those balls smaller or detachable, because that looks rather distracting to me. I also hope they don't force motion control into early games to prove it's necessary(ahem...Lair).

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Godchild10204154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

I like the way the Dev kit concept art of the next Xbox looks. It looks really sleek and smooth.

As for the PS4, I hope they don't change the controller button layout. I'm one of the many PlayStation 3 owners that prefer that controller layout. Also, please, Sony don't force move down your Consumer's throats. We might end up rebelling.

Riderz13374154d ago

Holy shit "blu ray Deuce" holds up to 3 times more data. Hope this is true cause then open world games can become massive.

MultiConsoleGamer4154d ago

Zero truth.

"Next generation systems." Does not mention PS4 or Xbox 720.

Slide show images are all bad fakes.

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MSI releases new RTX 4060 Ti bundle that fans of Monster Hunter will love

MSI celebrates the 20th anniversary of Monster Hunter with this unique bundle that features a matching RTX 4060 Ti and game controller.

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake20h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing17h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake16h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware73016h ago(Edited 16h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman16h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake16h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus2316h ago(Edited 16h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows16h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance16h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier15h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit15h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

Reaper22_10h ago

How dare you mention Sony! Everyone here knows when Sony closes a studio and lay off workers it was the right thing to do. Even when they bought Gaikai and fired almost everyone it was the right thing to do.

Gamers can be such hypocrites sometimes.

andy859h ago

Is it? That's revenue not profit. Completely different.

fr0sty28m ago

The earnings call only showcased how dire the situation is... Even with ABK and Bethesda, they still couldn't make enough to keep investors happy, gamepass subs are stagnant, and hardware sales are tanking.

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thesoftware73014h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake14h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow13h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

Chevalier4h ago

Again at which point did Playstation have a $3 trillion company shift the market with a giant purchase?

"But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue."

Lol. No they didn't. Increased revenue was ONLY due to adding Activision Blizzard revenue in. Growth was only 1 percent. It's idiots like you that have no idea what they're talking about is why Xbox isn't better than it is. You guys just make excuses continually.

If Xbox got so much profit then why did they stop announcing hardware numbers? Why did they stop announcing Gamepass numbers? Oh right because they're NOT profitable. Their sales in every category has dropped off the face of the planet. It's why Spencer will be closing more studios and canceling upcoming projects too.

WelkinCole9h ago

I am pretty sure MS knew this would happen and this was part of their plan. I mean if anyone with half a brain can see this happening I am pretty sure a multi billion company like MS knew this would happen

The whole strategy in buying Beth and Acti/Blizzard is for

1. Buy established games they can have under xbox because they have done a horrible job in building their portfolio internally for the past 15 years

2. Following from 1, try and boost xbox competitivenss against a dominat PS which MS after 3 tries still can't crack

3. Follolwing from 2, try and weaken Playstation dominance by taking out these massive multiplats from the PS

4. Following from 3, try and profit off from the PS domiance with selected games they will still have on the PS to make money like COD

5. Obviously get the IP's by buying them instead of creating them which again as I mentioned in number 1 they have been woeful in doing

None of these had anyting to do with keeping all the devs they accuried. MS has always been very shitty to Devs under them. Look at what happned to Bungie for example.

I believe MS in court truely mean it when they said they had to do something because PS was just too dominant. This was their last roll of the dice.

And from the looks of things. It has not panned out as MS had hoped. PS5 is still as dominant as ever and xbox is still behind. Worse still their MP's they got is not irreplaceable as they thought. Starfield? lol!. There have not been any major shift in momentum in this console war in their favor so now its time to start cutting their loses and it starts with the most expensive cost for any company. People.

Michiel19897h ago

for a comparison, sony laid of a bigger % of it's staff this year than ms, it's what companies sadly do nowadays. If you think with GP and Bethesda + acti aquisition they were looking for quick cash, you couldn't be more wrong. It hasn't even been a year, "they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen." shows you have 0 understanding of how a business operates.

Profchaos17m ago

30 more like 70 to 80 plus 7 for Bethesda

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anast17h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor16h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows9016h ago(Edited 16h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander197215h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody15h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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RTX 50 series cooling tested up to 600W, but users want Nvidia to fix the adapter first

Nvidia is allegedly testing GPU coolers to handle up to 600W for the 50 series, reigniting discussion of melting 16-pin connectors.