Bungie dev: 60-man Resistance 2 will be a 'challenge'

Speaking on Bungie's latest podcast, Luke Timmins, multiplayer engineer on Halo 3, said that he was interested in how Resistance 2 developer Insomniac would keep 60-player multiplayer games from feeling like "just running around in a chat room".

Timmins said: "Some of the stuff that Resistance is doing about trying to keep jacking up the number of guys in a game... I've played Resistance, and I'm a huge Battlefield 2 fan but I'm still interested in how do you keep that number of guys in a game and make it seem like you are actually playing together and not just running around in a chat room. It's real interesting and I wish them well but, yeah, it's a challenge."

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

bungie you are bunch of noobs.

60+ MP was done YEARS AGO! Even 1000 Players per map on 56k dail up w/o lag was done. And I am talking about FPS.

and no it didn't end up a chat room it ended up a full fledge war.

[v1c1ous]

he's is not saying 60 person multiplayer CAN'T be done.

it's more like "so you got 60 people in a game. now what? what's to stop this from turning into a frag fest where nothing gets accomplished?"

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

RFOM2 vs HALO3 (2 years after the launch of each system.)

RFOM2- 60 players
HALO3- 12 to 16 players

RFOM2- 8 Player Co-op
HALO3- 4 Player Co-op

RFOM2- 2 storys
HALO3- 1 story

RFOM2- Looks Unreal
HALO3- Looks OK

RFOM2- 720p/1080i (possibly 1080p)
HALO3- 640p

RFOM2- 60FPS (most likely, Ratchet was)
HALO3- 30FPS (i think, not sure)

IMO

bungie should just sit back and enjoy their success right now.
because RFOM2 is a serious problem for them and their image.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

It was done and not ended in a frag feast and it had team seperations. I'm talking about Battlefield. I saw the some of the most tactical matches 32 vs 32 players.

Most tactic "matches" I saw were on PlanetSide, where different clans meet up and pratice formations to raid a whole planet

[v1c1ous]

@1.2

way to miss what i just said

@1.3

yes, it is possible to make such a huge game be controlled, but it all depends on what methods the developers go through to keep the game balanced.

that's the main problem Imsonmiac has to overcome.

and don't get me confused as defending bungie either. i played halo 3, and even with 8 vs 8, that game is filled to the rim with LONE WOLF type gamers who won't listen to reason or work together,

[jwatt]

People at bungie were not trying to bash Insomniac and I agree with what they were saying. 40 players is alot but I felt like it was too hectic.

Now Insomniac said they will address this issues by splitting teams up into groups and giving them thier own objectives. That sounds like that can help out alot and I am definitely looking forward to this games.

[Fragking28]

1000 players on a 56k dial up connection yeah right buddy

[wallace1000]

What game ever had 1000 player games? That must have taken a long time to find that many players :-P

[TheSadTruth]

The original resistance multiplayer was pretty bad.. first off you die WAY too quick considering how much autoaim their is.. makes it so even little 10 year old's can aim

The truth is that is just too many people in a console game.. it makes the game fast paced but it's just boring spawning and dieing from getting shot in the back and since there's so much autoaim, the best Resistance players will still get killed by low skill players. The nades are pretty ridiculous as well.. I mean all you have to do is touch a player with a nade and they explode on impact, takes the skill and timing out of a normally skilled weapon. I do like the sniper rifle from what I recall... takes some skill to use effectively. Before anyone flame's me.. I also think Halo 3's multiplayer is pretty bad too.. just because the horrid map designs... I've been doing nothing but play CoD 4 as of late. Good, now Sony and MS fans can both mass disagree me.

[InMyOpinion]

Bigger isn't always better...

[gambare]

It's obvious that the Halo3 MP engie never player BF2, BF2 got a healthy 32 vs 32 players on a single map, and it wasn't a "running chatroom"

[RelloC_ReBorn]

dude, she is just telling you that to make you feel better.

[kwicksandz]

you must have been smoking some powerful stuff to dream that up. you cant even run 3 player games without lag on 56k with your neighbour

[rofldings]

"Massive numbers should not mean massive confusion: 60 players (up from Resistance's max number of 40) may sound like an awful lot, but Insomniac is doing everything in their power to make sure competitive battles don't get out of hand. Players will be split into lobbies of six-to-eight-member squads, each with unique objectives. Specific areas on each map will foster frantic large-scale battles, but most of the fighting should come in the former of smaller skirmishes."

No. Sorry, that sounds like fun. Not just a 60 person frag fest.

[Monty_The_Great]

Line of the Year.

[ngg12345]

:o.

[BobDog]

massive numbers have been done of 56k, but u got to remember when u had 128mb of ram and a 20gig hardrive and games were a couple hundred megs

[InMyOpinion]

I was referring to the subject at hand. The penis measuring contest is that way --->

[Bloodwar]

Responding to Anego Montoya FTMFW, I wanted to share something with you. Huxley for the Xbox 360 is going to have 120 players shooting it out on their MMOFPS. I wonder for how long RFOM2 is going to be in the light, if it even makes it. And with only 60 players? And before peeps start saying, where is the story for this MMOFPS?

What Are The Factional City's?
Home cities are non-combat zones where players will be able to take a break from the battlefield and relax. You'll find all sorts of things in the home city, including trades, shops, guild halls, apartment buildings, garages, etc.. The Alternatives have a city called Eska. Their rivals the Sapiens have Nostalonia.

Source= http://www.huxleygame.com/h...

Sounds like this game may be more than an FPS. Maybe not exactly a roleplaying game per say, but having a city where we have trades skills.. reminds me of my time working on trade skills in WoW. And the story is going to be our wartime battles against the other factions... ohh and did I mention, it's going to have 120 person battles? hehe

[Stubacca]

Anego Montoya FTMFW, good point. Bubbles for you.

V1c1ous, have you played resistence? Because if you have, you would know the maps can be massive. As such, these battles turn out to be good old-fashioned war and not just a 'frag fest'.

[PStriple703]

this is coming from devopers who made the most wanted game(halo3)in 640p, the first RFOM was 40 online was smooth as eggs

[Blankman]

The media has already dubbed resistance 2 as a halo killer lol to get the record straight killzone 2 is the halo killer not resistance. Resistance is gears killer lol.
if they could do 40 without feeling like running around in a chat room why do you doubt they can do 60. Sure it will be hard but thats not to say it can't be done. Insomniac has an excellent track record and they are an excellent games studio. They have made 2 really good games in 2 yrs on a console notorious for difficult development and it looks like they are about to deliver a 3rd in resistance 2. Bungie hasnt worked on anything but halo in almost a decade yet halo runs at 640p on xbox

[BloodySinner]

...yet you worship the 600p Call of Duty 4? Wow!

[shysun]

COD4 looks like a HD games, Halo3 dosen't.

[BloodySinner]

Basically had you not been told that COD4 was running only at 600p, you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.

[Johnny Wadd]

@ blankman & bloodysinner:

Not to flame or anything.... but you can't tell the diff. between 720p and 1080p unless you've got a LCD/Plasma tv that's 46 inch or higher. I don't think the general public knows how to distinguish true HD on a smaller tv. That's why I laugh at those people who spends the extra dough to buy a tv that's 1080p but the screen-size is only 37 or 40 inch..... LOL silly consumers that doesn't do their research.

just a side note, you can definitely see the diff. between Resistance/Halo 3 on my 52 inch sony.... I chose the 2 to compare because they are similar games. However, I enjoyed Halo 2 a lot more than Halo 3.

[Bombomb]

only if you actually thought about what you've just said, you wouldn't have fallen for the trap.

Good trap and bait sinner...

see, it's all in the mind..so mindless delusional fanboys

[Pain]

Have Not been hyped for ANY other FPS since Perfect Dark 64.

This game is going to Rock.

And Make others take a look at what they doing .

[Perkel]

@ Johny Wadd

pff haha sorry guy u are wrong

1080p on 24 or 40 or 100 inch tv is still 1080p. I have Sony KDL40W2000 and yes it's 1080p and 40" 1080p in Lair is mindblowing and waaaay better than 720p Motorstorm.

Can't see the diffrence ? You are blind my friend then. More, picture at bigger tv with 1080p looks worse than same picture at smaller tv with 1080p. Go figure why..

[wow14]

Resistence (86) and Killzone (70!?) have both been owned by the Halo Series (97,95,94).

Really, it is the universal opinion of the industry that RFOM and KZ are second rate when compared to the pinnacle of the genre: Halo.

YOU might disagree -- its your right -- but the collective wisdom of the industry says you are incorrect (in the sense that one can be right/wrong about such things..).

Edit, just show you something of interest:

MGS 94
MGS2 96
MGS3 94
Average 94.6 / 100

Halo 97
Halo 2 95
Halo 3 94
Average: 95.3 / 100

So, In the pantheon of Shooters, are you going to say that RFOM and KZ(!?) are better than MGS? Because they would have to be in order to be "better" than Halo.

M'kay thanks.

[Johnny Wadd]

@ Perkel:

You, my friend, are wrong. In order to truly "see" the difference between 720p vs 1080p, you have to have a television that's preferably, 50 inch or larger. As you sit at the same distance from the TV from 40 inch or 52 inch, you can tell the difference. What you're buying for in the 50 inch or larger 1080p tv is the clarity/resolution factor that you get as you move away from the TV. As you move away from a 1080p 40 inch tv, you will notice a pretty significant image deterioration. Go on AV forum and read the faq list. Trust me, 1080p for a 40 inch is just a way for tv companies to get more of your money.

You're right in the sense that 1080p @ 20 or 24 inch is the same....
But it also looks the same when you compare 720p @ 20 or 24 inch between its respective 1080p counterparts. Because the tv's are so small, you can't see the extra resolution/pixels on the 1080p. In essence, you've paid extra for something you can't see.

Oh yeah, if you sit close enough to the 40, your pictures will turn crappy just as when you sit close enough to the 50.

[RecSpec]

@wow14

What the hell are you talking about? MGS is not a FPS.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

it got 10 10 10 9.5 .....and thats was from and xbot magazine EGM

[kurochi]

@ Perkel:

ha ha ha ha ha
what the hell are you talking about? Go read up on some of the facts before you embarrass yourself in regard to the HDTV subject.....

ha ha ha ha ha ha

I'm sorry, it's just so funny at how brain-washed you are by the tv companies..... ha ha ha You should return the 40 inch you got and spend the extra grand to really enjoy 1080p on the 50 inch..... ha ha ha ha ha ha

[crank]

Sorry there johnny you are not quite saying things right

1080p resolution, no matter at what INCH, is going to make a huge difference where ever it is available.

One simple test for people that are not technical, for people who do not calibrate displays for every movie and game

30 inches is the close to optimal for 1080p sitting 3 feet away.

It all has to do with pixel pitch. The bigger you tv, common sense, here, the bigger your 1080p images are DUDE.

Staying at 1080p, the more you blow that image up the worse it gets, and YES YOU CAN SEE THE GAME LOOK WORSE WHEN YOU BLOW UP A !)*)P IMAGE FROM say 30 inches to 40. LOSS OF PIXEL DETAIL, THEY ARE LARGER AND BLURRIER.

It is not that hard to imagine so don't spill the misleading info so much, research it a bit because I can see the difference between 1080p and 480p on my 24 inch QUITE EASILY. 720p resolution for WEB PAGES IS TERRIBLE

IT is like watching a large blurry screen, when I switch back to 1920x1200 my screen if perfection, and that is ON A 24 INCH DELL SCREEN

Not 50 and not 60 and not 40---------24 inches and the differences between the equivalent 720p and 1080p for desktops is a HUGE.

I could never USE 480p on my computer the text is about an inch big on default, 720p alao looks horrendous.

Your false opinion that 1080p only is right for 40 inches above is completely false. You obviously know nothing about resolution and the way pixels are used.

Again, 19200x1200 photos look optimal on my 24 inch screen, that is why I got it.

Blow them up anymore and they get blurrier. That correlates to games, too.

I am sick of people acting like high definition works only for this magical plane above 40 inches.

NONSENSE PEOPLE. GET EDUCATED.

[Johnny Wadd]

@ Crank:

You, get educated my friend.
Goto this link as these people know what they're talking about. What I said above is exactly what these people are talking about in greater detail. Have fun reading the post. I'm too lazy to explain the diff. to you. Bottom-line, on a smaller screen, you eyes cannot see the diff. from 720p vs 1080p. Of course if you're talking about 100 inch tv, your image will be lousy at 1080p and worse on 720p. But the optimal viewing distance for 1080p 50 inch is about 7-8 feet from the tv. But at 8ft for 720p 50 inch, it's not the same.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs...

Oh, one more thing. The quality of your display ultimately depends on your signal input. So, if COD4 and Halo 3 is only at 640p, than that's all you're gonna get (unless there's up-conversion involved). So, nobody can tell the difference unless, like I said on my previous post, you have 50 inch or above 1080p tv.

Please get educated. I suppose for some people, ignorance is bliss?

[pukka_p]

#Wow14
Resistence (86) and Killzone (70!?) have both been owned by the Halo Series (97,95,94).
------

I honestly thought - resistance 1986, Killzone 1970? Halo in 1997, 1995 and 1994? "What's this fool on about?", I thought...

Then I realised... Of course. Why would anyone ever want to argue their own opinion of a game when they can use another person's opinion expressed as a number out of 110?

I'm sorry to have a go, but I just played pixeljunk monsters yesterday (a true classic) having seen a score in a magazine of 7/10!!! Sooooooo very, very wrong. But then, that it just my opinion (although most agree with me this is a great game).

So back to my criticism.... Variable reviews with dubious scores are bad enough, but people quoting them like gospel is well just <INSERT OpenZone comment>. Please don't lower yourself to quoting random scores.

[socomnick]

I dont mean to sound fanboys but imo resistance 1 multiplayer was absolute trash it felt tacked on. It was nowhere near what halo 3 multiplayer is. Resistance 2 might have a chance who knows.

[crank]

You are talking to a certified installer here SON

http://whatis.techtarget.co...

Tristimulus, sharpness diagrams, DAC's, and temporal motion. etc. are taken into account for every calibration

I use about 12 different personal settings 4 that are used regularly, based on tristimulus, gamma curves, white point, native response, etc and all for different content, all manually set up to reflect lighting conditions and material

what I cannot do is change the dot pitch, motion settings, etc. for my display because it is fixed, and that limits what kind of detail you can see from specified resolution

I could set pixel clock and phase if I wasn't using DVI

AS IF you are telling me anything by linking to some ******* AVS forum POST where they analyze and analyze

The thing about it is 95% of those SCIENTIFIC comparisons are based on hardware advantages

rarely do you get an objective opinion over there except from SOME of the better articles

I have a membership on that site I have read THAT SAME ******* FORUM POST

I have worked with many computer algorithms for deinterlacing interlacing, etc. and dozens of display panel calibrations systems for viewing content

I currently use mac display at the moment casually, as it doesn't have a ton of calibration tools but it does let you mess with tristimulus so who cares really

Every movie and game to my exact standard LOL, and you are sending me to an a forum that I have already been to thousands of times

AS IF, I love it when vacant people like you try to be all genius and condescending, I was there too at one time

pixel pitch is the most important factor in realizing 1080p resolution detail at screen sizes above 30 inches and even below to some degree

I don't know how many times I have to tell you I work on a 1920x1200 DELL screen

SO JUST TRY THIS FOR ME FANBOY
TAKE A SIMPLE WEB PAGE LIKE GOOGLE AND PUT IT TO 1920x1200

AND THEN PUT IT TO 1024x768 and then again to 640x480

SEE THE ******* AMAZING DIFFERENCE.......... on a 24 inch screen SHI* for BRAINS?

You just saw 480p compared to 720p to 1080p

There were differences in each version and you(if you even have a display) could see those variations quite easily from 3 to 15 feet!!!!

Now of course those difference are minimized when viewing material that doesn't have things like text and other nonmoving objects
calibration tools use specific patterns that the display and video chips have to stand up to
you don't want distortion of any kind obviously but this is the real world

this is why calibration systems use a VARIETY of programs to determine a display's usefulness

but still, the view that you cannot calibrate by eye is absolute BULL****
of course you can't print off detailed spec sheets from your mouth but know one needs to

everything to your eye, depending how much experience you have gained, drug use, sleep, etc. is exactly what you will be actually seeing (not a spreadsheet) so learn to trust yourself based on individual experience with various displays and systems

trained specialists know in the gut what looks right because of there constant hands on approach to calibrating, not because a computer tells them

so go by your gut not by some forum, actually test these things yourself and make your OWN opinions, Don't spout off Bull**** like you are some sort of engineer or something because you obviously are not

computers cannot tell you if YOU like 6625 degrees or 5865 degree for color by the way, that is subjective

PIXEL PITCH AND MOTION RESPONSE ARE NOT

Here is just one of many calibration overviews for PHOTOS on monitors, and a good website besides the one you listed--if you hadn't caught on, I am not sure how much you use AVS but you must not crawl those forums that often they have all you need to know about calibrating displays, chief

http://www.drycreekphoto.co...

Maybe you could read a few more things about what you don't know about, many links from the main article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

I would suggest you learn about pixel pitch first off there dude, and that would be here in dot pitch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Of course these are STARTER articles, GOOGLE these terms for more if you wish

Next time you want to BASH someone involved firsthand in the industry make sure you know what you are talking about, DON'T SEND ME TO A ******* WEB PAGE I will just send you to one

People like me that play VIDEO GAMES 4 feet away from the screen can easily spot details missing on a 1080p vs 720p version of the same game

HELL, why don't you to Eurogamer and look at the differences on their scientific 360 vs PS3 comparisons
notice how the 720p capture is a lot smaller than the 1080p capture

yes they look similar but when you blow that 720p image up to the size of the 1080p image it doesn't look as similar anymore--too bad they don't do these comparisons for you they only analyze ps3 vs. 360

anyway, in photoshop, the 720p image just got a lot blurrier and that is because the .92 million pixels of 720p cannot handle being blown up to that size without sacrificing something--that is the advantage of 1 million+ more pixels

YOU ACT like dot pitch is just somehow changed in the display for however large you want it to be, and that the advantages of smaller dot pitch somehow just disappears on smaller displays

ehhhhh, no

That is not true, you get what you buy

1080p displays from even 3 years ago have worse dot pitch than the best 720p display but even then all that extra resolution still makes it look better

we are talking 2,073,600 1080p pixels vs. .92 million 720p

only a fool like yourself would say that 1 million pixels MORE only matters above 40 inches or so

If you have a 1080p display you will notice the vast difference in the environments, textures, etc when pumped up to NATIVE 1080p ON ANY SCREEN SIZE I WILL REPEAT ANY SCREEN SIZE, above 20 inches

and we are not talking sitting 20 feet away on state of the art video chips for 720p compared to the worst 1080p chip on the market, this is an objective comparison best handled by objective testing, but since we don't have all those tools for each other we are doing the webpage thing because it is simple and true

NO, then you are verified idiot

For your information, I have been involved in over a hundred arguments/discussions on that board

They are also the same people that compared 1080p vs. 720p and said 720p has no difference compared to 1080p at 10 feet and 100 inch screen

THE KICKER: they were using the best 720p equipment on the market, and the worst 1080p equipment

Point is moot, you have to have the same equipment video technology to accurately compare things, and they usually don't have anywhere near fair comparisons on those boards

THAT is why I give you the computer comparison, because it analyzes pixel pitch waaaay more accurately and fair than a movie does with the same resolution

You have to have a really nice screen to keep up on web pages and 720p doesn't cut it at any screen size don't even bother arguing I am working on a 24 inch screen did you not GET THAT ALREADY, for the sole purpose that 720p on a 24 inch screen is just not nearly enough resolution for web pages or text

TRUST ME ON THAT, been doing it for a while now

so in the end that ******* link says absolutely nothing, those AVS forums are for fanboy spasm lovefests

[crank]

Re: I am too lazy to explain the difference to you. Just read this post by people who know what they are talking about. Of course, you have no idea what you are talking about so.................

Let me guess, you are 15 and wildly excited about yourself

Your theory about moving away from tv's and the 50 inch 40 inch thing is so full of UTTERLY COMPLETE BULL**** that at times I wonder how sympathetic you are to the delusions in your small head

PIXEL RESPONSE, PIXEL PITCH, RESOLUTION, get these terms through reading about them not trying to define them from your limited standpoint and you will not look like an IDIOT

Do you realize that anyone with half the knowledge I possess could single you out as a total noob, you don't state any facts or even words standardized by the industry

the way you assume things and then direct me to some else's viewpoint says you know nothing yourself

so thanks for that unintelligible mess of a response GENIUS

The most redundant PWN you could ever get from a fanboy....... absolutely NO FACT and COMPLETE CONJECTURE ON THINGS YOU DON'T EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND

I am too lazy

Well, I am not, so read the post and uh, have fun doing it JOHNNY WAD LOL

Douche Bag

[Scenarist]

Crank...well said. I know a bit more than the average joe when it comes to this stuff . definitly not as much as you (pro)

and I have been saying the same thing on other forums of course in much less detail. What kills me the most is 90% of consumer dont even know what the real details are to look for when buying a tv or monitor, and you would be surprised as to what peoples questions are when searching for a tv or monitor. NO one that I have ever came across ever refers to ppi or dot pitch or the measurements

Most just argue over 1080 vs 720 ...occasionally they argue over contrast ratios or more rarely aspect ratios , and everyone expects perfection out of the box or as seen on display out of the box
i love tech first and self school myself for the most part and second i just so happen to be a salesmen and installer who does NOT calibrate tvs on a pro lvl but i do calibrate em...and as far as pro goes im a sound guy and i do calibrate those systems on a pro lvl

and as far as screen size goes you can only take recommended viewing distance into account...since at a fixed distance say 20ft a 50 inch and a 20 inch looks different at the same resolution DUH cuz your not going to sit 20 feet away from a 20 inch tv

anyway bubbles for you and dont mind my grammar and punctuation ...i just type

[Skizelli]

You people pick the stupidest things to argue about. Talk about Small D#ck Syndrome.

[Perkel]

pff BTW i have enought of stupid people who think 1080p (or any bigger resolution) is good only above 40inch or more. It's like fight with air...

Crank bubble for u for time spent fighting with air ^^

[Daurelus17]

MGS 94
MGS2 96
MGS3 94
Average 94.6 / 100

Halo 97
Halo 2 95
Halo 3 94
Average: 95.3 / 100
UR trying to compare the scores when MGS came out on the ps1 while the other 2 game out one ps2. mg2 on the ps2 was better then halos 2 score while halo 3(360) got the same as MGS3 (ps2). not to mention the halo scores go down since the game never changes. try to compare something else there buddy

[pukka_p]

Have a bubble...

[mintaro]

60 people online for a *console* (key word) will be tough for any developer. but if anyone can do it, its insomniac

[PS360WII]

This coming from someone who could only get 8 people multiplayer? I suppose if you look at it that way it would be challenging.

[wallace1000]

I might have misinterpreted what you said but if you are referring to halo 3, big team battle is 16 person multilayer.

[PS360WII]

ah, well no you didn't misinterpet me and I guess that why I got 5 disagree's ^^ I've only done 8 people multiplayer games must of missed out on the 16 maps :(

[P4KY B]

8-12 player games allows you to hold a grudge against someone and make it personal.

[INehalemEXI]

You can also play those games too in R2 your not forced to play 60. If its not your bag you can enter a game with 8-12.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

in battlefield 2 i saw the most tactical matches ever with 64 players.

[socomnick]

Crimson who cares nobody's talking about battlefield 2 go bend over for your pc already. Pc gaming is dieing live with it.

[kwicksandz]

Unless your in a huge clan match gtfo its a giant deathmatch at that player count.

[gambare]

R2 won't have 30vs30 only, I bet there will be 8vs8 game modes, then you can take someone personal ;)

[Darkiewonder]

it's more "Can you have 60 players, split into teams and allow them to work together without it being an all out fragfest?"

But anyways, it'll be a challenge if it requires Voice chat and most of the players don't bother talking and just want to get in and shoot people down ;o [if it's like all squad based] But then again, what do I know.

[Joey Gladstone]

A developer known for 8-12 multiplayer really has no business at all commenting on one that easily does 40 online....
.....
...
....."The JOEY has Spoken"

[Bleucrunch]

AMEN! Bubbles for you!

[Pain]

Cant say it beter then that.

Have some bubbles ^^

[BrianC6234]

Joey - This shows the difference between Bungie and Insomniac. Bungie cries and calls it a challenge. Insomniac, they laugh in its face and say bring it on.

This reminds me of the babies who say the PS3 is too complicated. If you can't handle the PS3 stick with the weak 360. The 360 is fine if you're just a PC game developer. If you want to learn how to make real games though go with the PS3.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Come back and talk when Insomniac scores 3 9's in a row and has one of the biggest multiplayer game known. Also go find some GOTY award that Insomniac have won, and let me know when they sell 4 million copies in a day. No...then shut your little droid pie hole.

....."The Jason 360 has spoken"

[Genki]

You're quoting third person accounts(reviews) from pundits, sales numbers from the teeming masses, and accolades from said pundits...you are WHOLLY submitting to arbitration and the BANDWAGON mentality, not once have you said what YOU appreciate about the game, and somehow he's the droid?

Logic much?

Nobody is saying Halo sucks, and although his numbers may have been off by a whole 4(ooh, big change), his POINT still stands.

That isn't to say that Resistance is necessarily better than Halo because of the numbers game, but from a volume and variation standpoint, you really can't argue that Halo doesn't and won't hold a candle to Resistance in that regard. For all I care you can consider Halo God and Resistance as Satan, that's your opinion.

Don't try to rationalize(read: damage control) 16 somehow being more than 40, let alone SIXTY.

[SlappyMcTaint]

Those hating little Bungie b1tches!! Too bad they don't see how pathetic that comment makes them look. Feeling the heat of competition, are we, Bungie? Suck on it!!

[GETPWNED]

stupid f*cking morons. games which use less than 60 f*cktards a match are tuned to work that way, not cuz they can;t do it. dumbasses. enjoy the chatroom.

[Bathyj]

Um, of course its a challenge. Thats what Insomniac do. They challenge themselves, not sit back and milk what the did 7 years ago. Bungie have released the same game 3 times on two consoles. Insomniac have reinvented their technology 3 times in under two year and they've already stated they are aware they need to keep things from degenerating in 60 people just running wide. It will be all about being in squads and helping teammates. How far will you expect to get running in by yourself against 30 guys?

And 8 player co op? Bungie could never dream, and why would you bother? Most the SP levels are just copy and pasted corridors over and over.

You want innovation and vision, call Insomniac, you want a franchised milked, call Bungie, (what? no Lego Halo yet?)

[Arkham]

Insomniac still hasn't clarified exactly how this will be implemented. The only information is that it will be some sort of squad-based interplay over large battlefields in order to prevent players (hardware??) from being overwhelmed.

Whether or not this means all 60 players can converge on the same point at the same time remains to be seen.

Still, for now it's "60-player multiplayer".

[Meus Renaissance]

51minutes in the podcast. They mention Resistance then

[GuCCi512]

its on ps3 and that dev is stupid

[Slayer OP]

This wont be a challenge considering resistance 1 didnt use the ps3's full power.

[VirusE]

Uhh maybe you have trouble reading or something but he isnt saying they cant do it. He is question if it will be fun or not with that many people.

[Slayer OP]

60-man Resistance 2 will be a 'challenge'

I was speaking of that.

[lokimendivil]

if you played the game then you would know that theres lag. dont lie !!!

[Slayer OP]

Only player lag due to some person haveing a 2kbps internet connection. There is no game lag.

[slymaddox]

Private chat is a must. With that many people I know I'm not going to be talking to all of them. There will be a select few and I need to be able to only talk to those people. Another reason we need in game xmb that supports this feature.

[VaeVictus]

Resistance 1 utilized squad chat features where you and your friends could go to another "channel" if you will, to only chat with each other. It worked very well. I'd imagine they'll implement the same thing in RFoM 2.

[slymaddox]

I didn't know that. Cool feature. Seams like if developers wanted to they could just include all the xmb features in the games. So far every feature has been done in the games.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

since RFOM1 had 32/40 players.

and HALO3 had 12/16 players.

[VirusE]

You seem to be missing the point that bungie CHOSE to only have 16 players in halo. Most people who play halo do 4 on 4 anyway. Bigteam is one of the least popular play list so why would they add even more players?

[wow4u]

There is a 40-player multiplayer game that played on the Xbox.

Huxley is going to be a 100-120 player multiplayer.

The question is "what do you do with all these people" beyond just a big boring frag fest.

[xhairs]

"Big Team Battle is the least common..."

If you look in the archives, there was an article about all the different game types of Halo 3 and which were the most played...Big Team Battle was the _MOST_ common.

[poopface1]

TEAM SLAYER.

[toughNAME]

I really hope Bungie AND Epic don't get caught up in all this Resistance 2 crap.

Gears of War butchered Resistance because of quality, not quantity.

It's rare for a 16 player Halo 3 game to be even remotely fun. The option is nice, but keep it at 6v6 max.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

let wait and compare

RFOM2 vs. GeoW2

that`s more fair.

or from a system launch timeline compare.

RFOM2 vs. HALO3.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Gears Of Wars on PC shows how really good game it is -_-

[toughNAME]

Resistance was a solid game no doubt about it. But an average shooter really can't compete with one of the 360s highest rated games.

The same goes for Killzone, it was a good game for sure. But because it was set up as a Halo Killer, it lead to its anniliation by Halo 2.

PS3 owners should just enjoy their games without hyping them.

But it's been made pretty clear that if you like shooters go with Microsoft's console.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

"Resistance was a solid game no doubt about it. But an average shooter really can't compete with one of the 360s highest rated games."

for a launch title RFOM was unbelievable.

PDZ was average.

"The same goes for Killzone, it was a good game for sure. But because it was set up as a Halo Killer, it lead to its anniliation by Halo 2."

Sony NEVER said it`s was a HALO KILLER.
the MEDIA did.

"PS3 owners should just enjoy their games without hyping them."

i would say that same thing about the HALO series.

"But it's been made pretty clear that if you like shooters go with Microsoft's console."

Very Untrue in the LONG TERM.

RFOM2 and KZ2 have everything going for the them to exceed HALO/GeoW.

[beavis4play]

uh, wrong toughname, if you're talking quality(story, cool weapons, char. dev., level cohesiveness) then resistance was waaaaaaaaay better. and don't get me started comparing final level challenges of each game because last level in gears was pitiful.

and, i want more variety than JUST shooters, but i'll take KZ2 and resistance2 this year and be very happy.

[wow4u]

My favorite Multiplayer is Territories in 8x8 on Sandtrap.

I love 8 x 8 on Sandtrap in any mode.

[VirusE]

beavis4play did you play halo 1? I know i did and resistance copied quite a bit from it. How many reactor cores did you have to shoot at the end of halo 1? 4. How many in resistance? 4. No one else catch the fact that both games had VERY similar final level objectives but me? Regen health, check. Nade button, check. Melee button, check. Flood like aliens, check. Funny how prior to halo 1 every fps game made you switch to melee or nade attacks as if they were a gun and regenerating health systems didn’t exist. Resistance is an amazing game and is still one of my ps3 favs but it CLEARLY got many ideas from halo 1. Halo of course got many of its ideas from aliens. I can understand that some people don’t enjoy halo. That is fine with me, different strokes for different folks but to deny the innovations that halo brought to the FPS genre that are now copied by nearly every fps is just silly. Resistance paid homage to halo in many ways and that isnt a bad thing.

[toughNAME]

What do you know about these games?

I know developers have previously been caught in a lie about the game and that both seem to be all flash with little substance.

I also know both original games were decent, but just average games.

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n4user1
I hate territories, but I agree with your second part. Sandtrap/CTF/BTB is the best game in Halo 3 :D

[tfur]

@toughn

You are fanboyin' way to hard... what you are saying is in no way reality... sorry... --->

@virus

You should preface your comments about Halo "innovations" to have "console FPS innovations". Every mechanic you mentioned as "new" were already done in Quake1/Quakeworld mods. In fact there are still quite a few things from those days that have yet to make it into console FPS games. One of my favorite mods was twcreeper, a fusion of thunderwalker mod and creeper mod in a ctf system.

[TheExecutive]

I THINK EVERYONE needs to realize that RESISTANCE was a LAUNCH title. It was one of the BEST launch titles ever produced. It, as a launch title, was simply fantastic there is NO denying this.

[Kaz Hirai]

16 players is all they can manage on the last-gen, 600p, lag-infested FILTH called "Halo 3!"

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[Bombomb]

anyone understood what he is trying to say...he never mentioned it could not be done, but all the sudden defenses go up.

anyone knows how this will be implemented anyhow?

and no the number of players dont make a game better, just more un skilled retards camping out and shooting first thing they see.

8x8 brings out the weakest links....

[VirusE]

"anyone understood what he is trying to say...he never mentioned it could not be done, but all the sudden defenses go up."

So true and yet you still get disagrees. They never said it couldnt be done, it is more of a question of should it be done.

[Siesser]

I agree with you; it's more of a "will it maintain an cohesive, fun experience?" Hopefully, the squad based gameplay and objectives will ensure that; I mean, I still have a blast in Warhawk, so it's not like crowding's an issue, if you make the maps big enough.

You last statement reminds me; I haven't watched Jurassic Park in a long time.

[ohnoTheRancor]

yeah - it's called IMPROVING upon a series. the people at Bungie may wanna look into that!!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I love this section...

[DarkSniper]

Dark Sniper would like to challenge Bungie in making a game that has at least 720p visuals. Something that has never been done since their existance as a games developer.

The underlying content beneath all of this is that Bungie has indirectly shown interest in PLAYSTATION® 3 development. Once Bungie finds out that PLAYSTATION® 3 is the most complete console experience, they will be signed by Sony and wont look back. Be looking for the true Halo engine to see it's full potential on PS3.

$niper

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Viva Pinata 1280x720p 2xAA
COD4 (360) 1024×600p 2xAA
COD4 (PS3) 1024×600p 2xAA
Uncharted (PS3) 960×1080 in 1080p
Def Jam: Icon (PS3) 1152×648
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (PS3) 1920×1080 FullHD
Transformers (PS3) 960×1080
Pirates of the Caribbean (PS3 720p): 960×720
Pirates of the Caribbean (PS3 1080p): 780×1080
Oblivion (360): 1024×600 (PS3 version is full 720p)
ICO (PS2): 512×224p (less than Tekken on PS1 at 512×240)
VF5 (PS3 720p): 1024×1024 (same as 360)
VF5 (PS3 1080p): 1024×768
Full Auto 2: 1920×1080 AA 4x, bad framerate - PS3
NBA Street: 1920×1080 AA 4x (30-60fps) - 360
LocoRoco Cocoreccho 1920×1080 MSAA 2x -PS3
Tony Hawk Project 8: 1040×584 AA - 360
Tony Hawk Project 8: 1280×720 - PS3
Virtua Tennis 3: 1920×1080 AA 2x - PS3, 360
XMB: 1920×1080p - PS3
Dashboard: 1280×720p - 360
Perfect Dark Zero: 1138×640p - 360
Halo 3: 1152×640p - 360
Call of Duty 3: 1120×630p 360
Ninja Gaiden Sigma: 1280×720p PS3
Project Gotham Racing 3: 1024×600 360
Tomb Raider: 1024×600 360
Ridge Racer 7:
NBA 07: 1920×1080 - PS3
NBA 08: 1920×1080 - PS3
Tony Hawk Proving Ground: 600p - PS3
Tony Hawk Proving Ground: 720p - 360
GRAW2: 720p - PS3
GRAW2: 720p AA 2x - 360
Super Rub a Dub: 1600×1080 - PS3
GTHD: 1440×1080 - PS3
Super Stardust HD: 1280×1080 - PS3
Skate: 1536×864 - PS3
Skate: 1280×720 AA - 360
Bioshock: 1280×720 - 360
Harry Potter: 1280×720 MSAA 2x PS3 ?
Pixel Junk Racers: 1920×1080 PS3
Heavenly Sword: 1280×720 AA 4x PS3
Blast Factor Demo: 1920×1080 PS3
The Darkness: 1024×576 PS3

Now repeat after me: DarkSniper feals stupid and now reaches the class of subretardation. What will DarkSniper say now? how about a RROD comment, that should help with the pain of getting owned that DarkSniper is now feeling. DarkSniper and his shadow DarkSnipa will now hit the disagree button and run into the dark plate where all DarkSniper minions go.

P.S. What the hell is a dark sniper anyway? is a sniper that only snipes when it's "dark" outside?

$niper (missed)

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Snipe...just got ASSASSYNATED by Jason 360.

[Fat Bastard]

Harry Potter doesn't understand Jason 360. He thinks it is because Jason 360 must be very retarded. Jason 360 posted many games that were on the Playstation 3 and also many games that weren't developed by Bungie. Harry Potter knows that Dark Sniper meant Bungie has never made a game in 720p visuals, and for some reason Jason 360 copies a list full of other games. Harry Potter thinks Jason 360 is very dumb and resorts to defensiveness when he feels threatened. Perhaps it is because Jason 360 is a woman.

Avada Kedavra!

[robbo918]

Dark said he challenged BUNGIE to make a game that was 720p visuals, how many of those games that you listed that were 720 or above were Bungie games? He never said MS or X360.

[thekingofMA]

the king of Massachusetts wants to severely injure Harry Potter, perhaps by putting the Imperius curse on him, because he copies other, "smarter," and funnier sony fangirls and the way they speak in first person, which is way overdone (btw i think i just complimented DarkSniper, but to insult this guy is worth it)-also, unless youre name is Harrry Potter, you come off as a huge loser by lying about it-finally( not really, but ill keep your list of faults down to 3), the fact that you put a curse at the bottom of all you comments...i dont even know what to say to that, other than how incredibly gay it is-seriously, go read the books, watch the movies, masturbate to emma watson(or daniel radcliffe, since thats probably more your type...), whatever-just leave youre crappy, stupid flamboyant sony fanboyism somewhere else

[Fat Bastard]

Harry Potter thinks the king of ma is an idiot. The king of ma doesn't understand that Harry Potter talks in the THIRD person. The king of ma is just stupid and Harry Potter doesn't need to stoop to his level to talk in the first person. Perhaps the king of ma is jealous of Harry Potter? Harry Potter will never know, but will stay busy with Hermione and Ginny while the king of ma jacks off to his useless 360 junk.

Avada Kedavra!

[Fat Bastard]

Harry Potter also wants to ask the king of ma if his real name is thekingofma, because if it isn't, according to the kingofma, then thekingofma is "really gay" as he called Harry Potter. Harry Potter also wants to ask why the kingofma knows the actor/actress' name in the theatrical Harry Potter. Perhaps because thekingofma beats the meat to them? Harry Potter doesn't see what's wrong with talking in the third person, and won't listen to anymore of this "gay" kids annoying whining.

[DarkSniper]

Thank you Sony Snipers for reiterating Dark Sniper's initial challenge.

How many games on Jason's list were developed by Bungie again?

$niper

[PS3Freak]

to harry potter for making me laugh multiple times.

[v1c1ous]

its not the technical aspects. im sure imsomniac can do it.

it's the players. how do you go into a 60 person room and make every single player matter?

what is the difference if i stand in a corner doing nothing, and it won't affect the outcome of such mayhem.

[wallace1000]

I think i see your point dude. Like in Halo, one crap player in a 4 vs 4 makes a huge difference but one crap player in a 8 vs 8 doesn't always matter. I guess if there was a ranking system your rank wouldn't mean much if you sucked and played in 30 vs 30 games all the time because you could be easily carried by your team. I have however never played in a huge game like that though.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Wasn't this the season 2 premiere? That was early February, like the first or second of the month.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Disagrees? See for yourself, then. I listen to all the Full Moon podcasts on the day they come out . . . I love those guys; they're all insane.

[ForROME]

Bungie, are you kidding me? You spent your time with 16 players almost 7 years dont talk on what you dont know. Talk to someone like ID who can better comment on this aspect of gaming

[Diugu]

Bungie developer learns how to make good games!!!

Just joking... hehehe I loved Halo (the first one.)

[wow4u]

You should play Halo 2 (95) and Halo 3 (94).

They have better average review scores than title available on the PS3. Really, they are that terrific.

If you dont trust my opinion, how about the entire industry? They happen to agree.

[Diugu]

I did play both of them...

Halo 2 was ok.. but I didnt get to play it very much.

Didn't like Halo 3, played it a lot more than Halo 2 since a close friend of mine owns a xbox... but I am planning to get it for the PC to find out if it grows on me, besides... I prefer to play fps games with kb and mouse.

I just thought I was more of the same... nothing new.

Anyways it was just a joke. As for your comment on the PS3 games, I dont know about the industry... but Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Heavenly Sword.. just to name a few.. did the trick for me.
And since I buy them for me and not for the industry.. I dont really care about what the industry says.

Also.. I like the 360.. I dont own it but a friend of mine does.. and I adored Bioshock and Gears of War... Will definately get them on the PC later.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Good job, Joey!!!

Bungie basically took what Sierra already did (Tribes) and added a storyline. If it were a GREAT storyline...I would understand.

Also...Gears beat RFOM because of many things.

1) Hype...
2) They had FOREVER to make that game.
3) It's EPIC. They don't make bad games.
4) Large install base.
5) Insomniac only had a few months with the final DEV kits for the PS3. I would LOVE to see EPIC pull something like that off...and get 40 player battles working on an unproven network. I love those guys...but Insomniac knows what the heck they're doing.

It will be Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 versus Gears of War 2. It's like Godzilla and King Ghidorah vs. Rodan. I mean...COME ON!!!

[Joey Gladstone]

Best comparison I've heard in a while LOL.....not too many people are up to date on their Godzilla(Gojira) characters..
...
..
......"The JOEY has Spoken"

[Gaara_724]

i would compair killzone 2 and rfom2 vs gears of war 2 as in
eazy e and tupac vs 50 cent (if u like rap u will understand but if u dont basicly 50cent is ok when it 1st comes out with a new song listin to it a few times its boaring tupac and eazy e been listning to th for over 4 years still not board of them)

[Sevir04]

16 players on Halo 3 on xbox 360 was a challeneg especially on a pier to peir network... insomniac is a seasoned vet... they've done this before on firstgen PS3 hardawre lag free... but hey they only say that because Their game sold 8+ million.. so they wanna take shots. while i like bungie.. when you look at talent you need to look no further than insomniac. Challenge.. not for insomniac, maybe for bungie or anybody else

[wow4u]

Resistence - 88/100
MGS 2 - 96 / 100 (highpoint for PS FPS)
MGS 3 - 94 / 100
Halo - 97 / 100 (highpoint for any FPS)
Halo 2 - 95 / 100
Halo 3 - 94 / 100
Gears of War - 94 / 100
GRAW 2 Xbox 360 - 86 /100
GRAW 2 PS3 - 85 / 100
GRAW Xbox 360 - 90 / 100
GRAW Xbox - 66 / 100
GRAW PS2 - 44 / 100
Orange Box Xbox 360 - 96 / 100
Orange Box PS3 - 89 / 100
Killzone - 70 / 100

Shall I go on?

[VirusE]

N4 dont go on!!! Logic means nothing here!

[Sevir04]

everyone and their grand ma knows how disapointing and underwhelming Halo 3 was especially the ones who weren't on MS's Pay roll. thats why they're other games sites that gave the game in the lower 80. this is basically going on whats a technical achivement. and from what i've read the very same developers say that Restsiance had a longer campeign, more engrossing story and better technology going into it. and it ran as smooth as butter. as i said before... resistance is by far one of the most polished shooters out there on any platform. look at Halo 3 and then compare again. stutters, Frame rate drops, screen tearing, lagging online and sub HD settings.. for MS's Top teir thats certianly underwhelming. that why everyone enjoyed halo 1 and 2 over the 3rd so really, The Talent behind The both teams that did these game are as clear as night and day when you see what they are going for. and what they have accomplished... halo 3 has been in dev since part 2 when through post portem devs and research and was released in the second year of the 360's life on final kit. why is it that gears a first year 360 game looks and plays better than Halo 3? your sequel should look better than the previous yet it looks the same. nothing spectacular. as i've said before i like bungie, they are good devs but they are only riding on success because all of their games have been hyped and marketed to oblivion and the first one was actually worth the disc it was released on. but dont get get mad because insomniac are pioneering forward, while they remain stagnant, in the industry.

[Blitzed]

LOL. Yes, please go on referring to MGS as a FPS.

[sheng long]

I don't think Bungie is hating. It's true that it will be a challenge to make every single one of the 60 players feel like they accomplished something, but knowing Insomniac, i'm sure they can pull it off.
There's only one way to silence the critics and the haters, and that's with results. Resistance Fall of man delivered whether people want to admit it or not, I'm confident Resistance 2 will be even better than the first in every aspect.

[beavis4play]

it didn't sound like he was hating- it read like he was jealous and bitter that they couldn't get it done.

[VirusE]

beavis reading/listening aren't two of your better talents are they?

Here try again

"interested in how Resistance 2 developer Insomniac would keep 60-player multiplayer games from feeling like "just running around in a chat room"."

He is curious as to if it will be fun or not. So are many resistance fans like myself. No one has said it cant be done, no one is hating and no one is being insecure about their game.... other than you.

[gEnKiE]

I was wondering this same thing. I thought the same about the first one and it kind of turned me away from the online multiplayer part of it. I'm sure they will have something up their sleaves and i'm def looking forward to it. Can't wait!

[LaChance]

Gran turimso devellopers never improve (graphics and number of cars put aside)their game.Its been the same thing since PS1.
And why compare a game that came out in 2007 (Halo 3) with a game that isnt even out yet.
I think Res 2 can maybe be better than Halo 3 but thats just mormal considering it will come out one year later

[Trinity_Marc_Blu]

Gran Turismo's graphics have improved a great deal.
And the game as basically been the same since PS1 because what they have works, and sells like hotcakes. So there isn't much they need to improve on.

[meepmoopmeep]

actaully, Halo 3 took 3-4 years to develop and Insomniac is doing it in a year, give or take a month

[BrianC6234]

That was a dumb post. Why bring up Polyphony Digital in this topic? I don't see anyone from PD going around saying how it will be a challenge to do whatever Forza or another 360 racing game is going to do. This Bungie dissing is about some idiot at Bungie saying 60 player Resistance 2 will be a challenge. I think Insomniac knows that already. But they aren't scared of a challenge. It looks like that guy is just upset Bungie isn't able to hndle so many players.

[Percy]

I think that is one of the least true statements i have heard maybe madden but then thats multiplatform so it doesnt fit your needs.

[strongbad1441]

The physics and realism in each subsequent release blow away the predecessor, making them the most realistic racing game you can play. It parallels real-world driving in a way that no other racer can achieve, whether it is on the 360 or the PS3.

So you should definitely check on your facts before you make stupid comments.

[Bathyj]

GT physics and graphics have improved every release and every game was the best of its type at that time and was only ever beaten by its own sequel.

Plus would you consider 16 player online a substantial improvement?

Plus them graphics, really are the best in existence.

[actas123]

I hope that Insomaniac won't gimp the Single player mode.

[littletad]

No, there's two different storylines. One for multiplayer co-op and one for single player.

[Downtown boogey]

I agree with Bungie!

[littletad]

It should be about how well the mutiplayer aspects of a game are implemented and how gameplay shines, not the number of players maximum. But Insomniac is probably the only developer I can think of that can pull this off.

[INehalemEXI]

Did not Insomniac just show a goofy video, that was a hint at R2's release? They seem to be having fun making R2. Im sure they have everything under control.

[monkey602]

Insomniac have won some sort of award for being one of the worlds best business companies to work for twice. I also read interviews with the president of Insomniac. They sound like an amazing company to work for.

[solidworm]

i guess this goes someway to explaining why insomniac are probably the top devs in gaming right now

[beavis4play]

i'd have to say it's a tie between insomniac and naughty dog for the top spot. neither depend on just one franchise and both are always looking to push the bar as far as quality goes.

[Mr PS3]

I'm sure glad i aint waiting in anticipation for Halo 4 cause we know now there will still only be 16 players online (basically no improvement)
Infact Bungie come over to the Dark side and see for yourselve's first hand what its like to work with a Next gen console And not an old beat up piece of crap that has limits

[Vesper]

I'm optimistic about it, in fact i want to see bigger numbers. Someday i would love to play out the invasion of normandy online, 20,000+ players hashing it out on a scheduled server. I think that would be AWESOME. Maybe impossible but awesome!!

[Mu5afir]

Something you guys haven't done since Halo the original.

[wow4u]

Really now? Bungie: Marathon, Myth, Halo, Oni..

They have a long history of great games.

[The BS Police]

Marathon 1, marathon 2, Marathon Infinity, Myth, ONI, Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3.

Those are all great games.

[Mu5afir]

Where did I write, that Bungie didn't create good games? I stated, Bungie hasn't been "CREATIVE" since, they released the original Halo nearly 9 years ago. Take off them fanboy goggles, and get back to me.

[Blue72]

@ 13.3
Fanboy goggles, I like that one!

[Fishy Fingers]

They've said they already have 60 player up and running lag free. I think the guys at Bungie are underestimating them, that, or they over rate themselves.

[VirusE]

God it is so frustrating how so many people have failed to even read what he said!

Fishy you like many others in this thread are showing you dont read before you type.

"Timmins said: "Some of the stuff that Resistance is doing about trying to keep jacking up the number of guys in a game... I've played Resistance, and I'm a huge Battlefield 2 fan but I'm still interested in how do you keep that number of guys in a game and make it seem like you are actually playing together and not just running around in a chat room. It's real interesting and I wish them well but, yeah, it's a challenge."

[Hooby]

ARE YOU RETARDED?!?!?!?!

That is not what the friggin articles about!!!!!

Its not about capability, its about "WHAT PURPOSE DOES ANY ONE PLAYER SERVE IN A GAME THAT LARGE?"

The more people in a game the less you matter. You could go afk in a corner for the whole match and the difference it makes would be negligible.

LEARN TO READ. THIS GOES FOR 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REPLIED TO THIS.

Who cares how many people you can have if it's not fun? Why is rainbow six vegas fun with only 3 people in a squad? BECAUSE PEOPLE MATTER, YOU MATTER. There is no comparing RFOM2 to Halo 3 on the basis of how many players because they're entirely different game with those numbers of people. In Halo 3 you have to be on the ball at all times and always perform as a group, in a 60 player game that goes out the window for the most part.

[Mu5afir]

Put that word into your heads, "drones". I didn't realize there was a pre-set standard that states 60 players online should automatically SUCK, because Bungie says so. I didn't realize, Bungie was the authority when it comes to online gaming. Last I checked, companies can still be "creative", and that's what Insomniac is doing being creative. Something Bungie hasn't done in a LONG LONG time.

[Bleucrunch]

Bungie is not allowed to talk about resistance!

[wow14]

Speaking about Resistence in the same sentance as Halo is silly.

Halo == the higest rated series of 1st or 3rd person shooter *ever*.

Resistence? Not so much.

[PopEmUp]

The biggest overrated games ever then you my friend are absolutely correct on that one

[Salta_nelas]

For those making comparisons, you shouldnt compare RFOM to GeOW simply because Gears came one year later on the 360 and RFOM was a PS3 launch game.

You can compare Halo3 to R2 now, that´s a fair comparison because both come out during the same time period on the respective console life.

Insomniac will make a great game and we all know it.

[bigjclassic]

is insane. I still play rFom daily and its insane, but in a good way. Each corner, each alley has to be approached with caution.

That's what makes rFom for me. Its the insane chaos that makes Resistance what it is. After playing 32 or 40p DM, i cant go back to anything smaller.

[candystop]

I think with levels big enough it would be amazing to have a fps with 60 players on console as long as you throw in vehicles airships and tight halo style controls!

[SSCOOLCHEA]

i have said this all along, N4G one big happy family

[freediro]

So you cant do this with your games and besides Halo, number 2 and 4 where just rehashes and truly nothing special or different. You online play was nothing all that great, i want a war like experience and 8 on 8 is not that.

RFOM 2 with 60 people all one on one would literally be like a war, and that awesome, give me bigger maps and more people online. RFOM did it perfectly fine with 40 people.

I hope when RFOM3 comes out the do something ridiculous like 200-500 people online so you could have something like 100 on 100 with a every player in a different category as if it was like a real Regiment of soldiers!

[Hooby]

The majority would like to disagree.

Halo 3 does not operate under massive frag fests, they require some idea os squads and give importance to every player.

War like experience? Since when did "realism" go before fun? We want fun. You can have your warlike experience, but if it ain't fun then you're being an ignorant fool.

[wow14]

"I hope when RFOM3 comes out the do something ridiculous like 200-500 people online so you could have something like 100 on 100 with a every player in a different category as if it was like a real Regiment of soldiers! "

What you want is Huxley. And, it is exclusive to Xbox 360 and shipping Q2 2008. Like, in a couple months...

The game has been in closed beta since Q4 2007.

" The battles can be as small as 1 VS 1 or as big as 60 VS 60 players (120)"...up to 10,000 online in the cities..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[TheExecutive]

Bungie means that people will become meaningless in these large maps. HOWEVER, Insomniac is splitting people into teams and giving objectives for these massive MP maps.

There are 3 or 4 different classes and each class will have different objectives but all will lead to an outcome... defeating your enemy. it also depends on the game what your objectives are.

But anyway classes and class objectives will help Insomniac bring meaning to a 60 player match.

[TheExecutive]

What TOOL disagreed with me? Its fact. Look it up.

[Marceles]

Eh...they can talk about how meaningless 60-man multiplayer will be, but yet I'm sure incredibly large multiplayer caps will start to be a trend in console gaming after R2 and Huxley come out

[The BS Police]

Learn to freaking read, it's not about capability, Bungie knows it can be done, Bungie was talking about how can they make it so not one player in the game is meaningless.

In a game like Halo or Call Of Duty 4 you can have some players get between 1 to 15 kills in the game, but there could be one player in the game that carries that team (or himself) to victory with well over 30 kills while not making the other players look like idiots/noobs.

In a game with over 60 players that would be very hard for somebody to do and it would mean less fun for many players.

Thats what Bungie was saying, and they didn't say Insomniac couldn't make it work.

[TheExecutive]

There are 3 or 4 different classes and each class will have different objectives but all will lead to an outcome... defeating your enemy. it also depends on the game what your objectives are.

But anyway classes and class objectives will help Insomniac bring meaning to a 60 player match.

[bigjclassic]

Please stop using review scores people, dont we all know by now that reviewrs are easily persuaded. Halo 3, Bioshock and Mass Effect didnt deserve those high marks but they got them anyways.

*Yes I played each game, and I thought to myself: Gamers nowadays are sheep and will believe anything the GAMING MEDIA has to say*

*Btw, liked Halo 3 more than CoD4*

[poopface1]

then you either dont like those types of games, didnt play them much or just hate xbox360. FPS are my favorite games and those are all way above average shooters. I didnt care about mass effect till I played it. Now it is now added to the very short list of RPGs that I actually like. 60 people in multiplayer could be cool, I love Cs source with 40-50 people. However the anly reason it works is cause when you die you wait till next round. constan respawning with 60 people will need some massive maps. Also, watch out for campers.

[idiealot]

you had your time to shine (glimmer perhaps). 40 player worked on ps3 no problems. 12-16 players on that level with the launch pad takes f'n forever to track somebody down... work on that!

[avacadosnorkel]

think warhawk size

[wow14]

Want big-time Multiplayer gaming?

Due in the 2nd quarter of 2008: Huxley exclusive to Xbox 360.

4 Unique Classes.
Sci-Fi dystopian RPG elements.

"In a recent interview, Huxley's main producer Kijong Kang said that the cities in Huxley will be able to accommodate up to...10000...people...individu al battles will support over a hundred players. The battles can be as small as 1 VS 1 or as big as 60 VS 60 players (120)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Having *A LOT* of people is fine, but it has to mean something. Just putting a lot of people in a Frag Fest == snore.

Building a new game type, like Huxley; the MMOFPS is a totally different point.

While RFOM2 tries to just add more people to a multiplayer match, Huxley is going to bring a whole new game that makes RFOM2's multiplayer "count" kind of moot.

Oh, Halo 3 is the highpoint of FPS gaming.

[Mu5afir]

Huxley is a MMO <-- Massively Multi-player Online Game.. DUAHHHHHHHHHHH.

[DJ]

on each map at any given time; the maps are connected (thus the claim of 200 players at once), but that is the actual limit. This was confirmed by the developer. The game also looks on par with Unreal Tournament '04.

[avacadosnorkel]

nobody cares about Huxley.

[madestar]

halo 3 was a waste of my money and time. it's exactly like halo 2. now resistance gave me my moneys worth

[PeeboDaKilla]

I hate when people comment on an article without reading the whole thing first..It makes them look like petty cunts

[gamesblow]

Wow, Bungie sounds like they just seen the Insomniac music/work vid and they're upset by it. They're jelly of Insomniacs overwhelming talents.

A shame, really... Insomniac isn't 1 dimensional like you Bungie. They've mastered the platform genre and the shooting one. More than you'll ever do, ya 1 trick pony.

[monkey602]

Its not just 60 players. Each team is divided into smaller groups with a choice of classes, I thought I read something about certain objectives too (OPSM also came up with an idea of a select few people in a safe area giving orders like generals, This was just there idea of what they would like to see. The potential for this sort of thing is there though). If there is one developer I would say could put life into this it's Insomniac.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Is it me or does that gameplay mechanic of breaking down to smaller squads and having multiple objectives sound a lot like Frontline: Fuels of War?

[monkey602]

Couldnt tell you dude, I'm not familiar with Frontlines.

I'm sure it wont be the first or last time this idea has been pitched either though.

[rawg]

That's the way I thought it was supposed to work too. Personally, I think it's a great idea.

For example, having small infiltration squads take control of radar sites and anti-aircraft batteries so the main force can call in air support would bring a lot of structure to a 60 player game.

Assigning 2 man sniper teams to take out specific targets would be cool too.

[monkey602]

2 man sniping team would be nice but it wouldnt work because everyone would want to be the sniper :D I know I would anyway

There are rumours of the ability to fly jets too so maybe if this is true a team would have to dissable some anti air defences before those who are assigned to air support can do anything. There really are a lot of possibilities.

[jlytle1234]

play assault on rfom and then you will understand how to make everyone count. you need defenders and attackers for multiple bases. and you can assign squads which allows you to respawn near your squad mates when you die. and thats just the first rfom. so im sure they are expanding on that.

[KozmoOchez]

that bungie would say somethin like this...sounds like jealousy

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Everyone is getting all up in arms over this.... why? All Bungie is saying is, from a gameplay standpoint, creating a 60 player online experience is challenging. They arent saying Insomniac can't do it, nor are they saying they shouldn't do it...all they are saying is that from a developer point of view its a challange.

Really, its more a hats off to insomniac for even attempting to do it ...and when they succeed (I am sure they will...) then it will be pats on the back for making it good.

[OOG FunK]

ah the fanboys if you read what they are saying it makes sense...

Who wants 60 players if it doesnt feel as competitive and hardcore as 16 players and lower????

Its all about the actual gameplay and not the number of people that can play but you fanboys will be negative and start to bash comments from people who are actually making games unlike yourselves.

Anyway point is most big games that can hold 32+ 64+ 100+ players are not always that fun.....and usually when people compete are broken down to half of the players that can play at the same time and in most cases even lower then that.....hell I know 32 and 64 player games that people prefer to play as 6v6 or 12v12 because it flows better then a cluster F@#$ of fightn without getting anything done.....

Bah I duno people godda grow up and get over there fanboy ways and realize everyone needs some constructive criticism.....so why not get it from people at the top of their game?

[rawg]

Didn't Insomniac already say that they were going to have 4-8 player squad based objectives in the 60MP maps? I think they were even going to have separate lobbies for each squad.

Not sure how it would work but I imagine that there could be 60 players on 1 map but 3 different flags to capture/defend, bombs to plant/defuse, etc. with each squad assigned different objectives.

[Matsuiichi]

I don't know. Bungie really has to get their multiplayer together before they talk this kind of thing. Because this guy wonders how they're going to make it work? Insomniac has already explained that the online is going to work by making large maps, with smaller squads getting individual tasks within the battlefield.

Meanwhile, all we get in Halo are simple Red vs. Blue antics through simple Deathmatches and CTF, or some variant of those (I've played my fair share of matches and all games feel the same---only the weapons change). Besides, it's clear they don't care to add more players into the game; recent news is basically saying, "Hey, let's not add more players, let's just make the maps smaller!"

Personally, more players in Bungie MP games? Great! But they can't talk about Resistance until they do, because Insomniac had 40p frag-fests a year before Halo came out, and I was expecting 24-32p. I don't know, am I asking too much?

[iceice123]

At how idiotic lemmings truly are. You guys are amazing, really amazing. You can't comprehend the simple fact that not all games work with more players. Is it really so hard to understand? They already clearly stated in the past Halo actually works best when it's 4v4 and 5v5. I suppose you idiots also want Gears of war to have 25v25 battles too huh? Imagine if Resistance were scaled down to lets say the same as Halo, 8v8 max. Wouldn't be as fun would it? Nope, it's a different game, different gameplay. If you can't understand this please GTFO.

Oh and to gamesblow, Alan Wake is the canceled first party M$ game? IT IS NOT EVEN A 1st PART GAME LOL@YOU.

[gamesblow]

I never said it was a 1st party game... I just said it's canceled on the xbox 360. & it is... don't buy into these B.S. hopes and dreams. alan Wake is nowhere to be seen, other than games for windows live. Deal with it.

Edit -When it shows up, give me a message... I'd like to talk to you about it. Until then... I'm right, you're wrong and so is anyone else whowishes to belive in such false hopes.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

POST again when all you xtard do is compared gears and halo to everything , even a flippin bowling game...

[TheForgotten0ne]

Call me stupid, but isn't we cows ? Your the lemming right ?

[BrianC6234]

Icewake = brainwashed Xbot

[Stubacca]

Still, I'd rather listen to a develpoer who HAS made a fun and lag-free 40 player online mode as opposed to a company who leans on Big Daddy Microsoft a sub-par FPS.

Resistance improved gaming standards and gave us new weapons and characters to play with. Halo 3 sold some more dodgy X-boxes for the man.

Case closed.

[Ps3ShellShock]

warhawk with 32p is already crazy funny - 60p in a fps is gonna be sick.

i think the hardest part will be the design of the stages because they have to make it fit 60p and also under...if they only focus on 60p design stages then what will happen if there is only 15p playing..it would feel to big..and stop the non-stop action.

[RecSpec]

Even with 60 people it will be a mess unless you know all (or at least a majority) of your teammates. Which is near impossible. I've played 9on9 matches where even though you were trying to strategize, it failed. You always have the General Patton wannabe who thinks he knows strategy, when he couldn't coordinate a beer run.

[kurochi]

4

[monkey602]

7

[riksweeney]

11

(Next prime number)

[DarkSniper]

Since the 90's Insomniac Games has always delivered a superior products. Mainly due to Playstation technology. Compare Marathon to Disruptor and you will see that Disruptor was one of the greatest 1st party FPS of all time on PSX.

$niper

[tk]

It is one developer to another. He is not knocking them. He says he wishes them well with it. He does not sound aggressively knocking the competition. He appreciates the challenge, points out that in this type of game, more players is not always better. Technically it is a challenge yes... good for Insomniac if they get it right. But there is a limit to how big the world can be - simply due to memory restrictions. And if the world is smaller - then too much people in it is a crowd.

He seems interested in how they will do it... and if they get a model right with 60 persons online in a world model that works well, then Bungie will most probably copy it for Halo4. And he is right - it will be a challenge.

Fanboys - don't make this seem like he is attacking his competition. To quote him directly
"It's real interesting and I wish them well but, yeah, it's a challenge."

[PeeboDaKilla]

What the HELL are you doing?
How dare you read the full article and then make an intelligent comment?!
My friend, take your reason and go back to the gamer zone.

In all honesty though, the open zone is by far the funniest. I got a major cramp from laughing at the comments..f*ckin hilarious :D

[BrianC6234]

If he's really that interested maybe he should apply for a job at Insomniac. They are one of the top companies to work for.

[Doctor Strange]

I full confidence that Insomniac will knock this out of the park. They are one of few developers that you don't have to worry how the game will turn out because they are always great.

[Avto]

Oh is poor old Bungie scared is the competition too tough I play Battlefield 2 all the time and 64 player is the real thing it's war ha ha ha!

[LevDog]

This coming from a Developer that makes ther FPS at walking speed.. Anyone that plays halo 3 must like FPS that are slow and boring.. you cant run anywhere.. Playing Halo3 feels like your playing with 200 Lbs wieghts on your legs.. SLOW MO.. IF they cant make a game at normal speed then they cant begin to understand how to make a game with 60 peeps online..

[BenzMoney]

Sounds like you get r4p3d at Halo and just can't handle the heat...

[TheForgotten0ne]

With no challenges were would we be?
I agree with everyone saying 60 people on same map will be messy, but if they come up with great ways to go around it. Like they said, different groups and different objectivs.

But I'm looking forward to the 8 team Co-Op, I think thats more tricky then the 60 people on same map...

[moodymofo]

resistance wasnt that good of a game it was ok at best the online wasnt very fun and im willing to bet that right now there are more people playin halo2 online than resistance and resistance 2 will never have as many people playing it as they do halo 3

[solar]

that an absurd and weak argument against what Insomniac is trying to do with its 60 player online MP. lone wolves? turn into big chat rooms? are you serious? thats seriously the best knock he can come up with? ive played BF and BF:2142 for about 3 years together and i have never, ever seen everyone hanging out shooting the crap when there is points and enemies to be slain. 2 outta 32 ppl talking is gonna make a huge difference? pfft! and there are always "lone wolves" in every online game. this guy is making himself look like an idiot, and i know he's smarter than that.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

They are aware it won't only be 60people games right?

They should know some people like it hectic while other prefer 6 on 6 type games.

[Silent]

Ill want to be the first to get 30 Kills with one grenade : ) ...

[zonetrooper5]

Wow alot of you guys can not read, Bungie was not saying 60 players could not be done but making the people playing the game, making them work as a team. I've played 64 player games of CSS on the PC and yes its funny and nuts but there is very little team work, this is what the Bungie dev is trying to say, 60 player is nothing new, Black Hawk Down on the Xbox 1 had 50 players max.

PDZ on the 360 had 32 players max. It really depends on the game, Gears of War with 60 players online would be damn stupid and annoying as hell, I reckon a 6 vs 6 of Gears of War 2 would be just great for that type of game.

[CaliGamer]

Bungie had some respect from my end, but now this guy just sounds bitter that Insomniac is doing something with their second game in the Resistance series that Bungie could do in 3 iterations of their Halo games.

His comment would hold some weight if 60 people had never been done, but PC gaming has been doing this for a while now and from what I have heard there seems to be no problems once the massive amount of people are managed correctly.
Insomniac is a capable company that has probably done all the R&D they need to determine if this plan is viable. Obviously this guy doesn't know any more than we do so if I were him and any other hater on this site I would wait to see the close to final build lest you put your foot in your mouth later.

Also, I hope you realize that the stages are scalable depending on the number of players, so 60 would be the max but if you have or prefer less you can also do that. I know this for a fact because Resistance 1 did this and did it very well. Obviously this guy and many fools on here leaving comments don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Insomniac also stated that there will be smaller squads within each team of 30 with their own tasks to do. This guy obviously just saw 60 players and began thinking negatively, without realizing that Insomniac already mentioned that they were addressing the potential pitfalls of so many players in one game.

Bungie, concerned about Insomniac? LOL.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Lot of Sony fans here no paying attention to what he said and just jumping to the defensive hate. He isn't saying they are horrible devs, he is just saying the more players you add the more challenging it is to keep them interested. I have played games like all the Delta Force games with 62 players and then played 130 player UT games, and they have nothing to do but frag or chat. There is no since of accomplishment, no pay off. But if you play games like Quake Wars, Battlefield or Fronlines, there is a goal. You can go solo and still meet your objectives or you can work as a team for more challenging objectives.

[Rice]

Nothings a challenge for insomniac!!!

[RAM MAGNUMS]

They have nothing but lag in thier 8 on 8 game! and the graphics please all they know how to do is rob the hardrive of memory! Thats bunjies problem! they look to get paid for something that was easy to do. 7 years to make halo 3 and all they did was put some dated next gen graphics and instant replay. Please halo 3 is fun but its childish fun. C'mon until bunjie provides something for a ps3 sht the fuhhhhhhhhk up! RAM MAGNUMS HAS SPOKEN...

[heyheyhey]

Insomniac sh!ts all over Bungie nowadays

sure Halo was excellent- but it hasn't really evolved much has it?

basically the bottom line is that Insomniac can make great games in short amounts of time and they are more experienced and talented

it will be a challenge of course- but given their past track recored, i have no doubt Insomniac can achieve what they want

[sonyfanonly]

man all i got to say to bungie is sit back and watch a real developer work. resistance 2 will meet demands wait and see you aint seen nothing yet until resistance 2

[joeynox]

I personally hate big games like that. 60 man is over kill. I do understand what bungie is say . R2 is supposed to break people into squads so basically they are going to be squads doing their own game and not actually being 1 60man game.

[rCrysis]

If Bungie is saying this 60mp is pointless I object. Having more people on a map may seem like crowding the game but I like having a 30v30 on CTF and all those other team based matches

rCrysis

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

rCrysis? we already have ..."the Joey has spoken", $niper, ....mag lev..., Megaton (somthing) and some other guy. Do somthing original for a change.

[FirstknighT]

I been saying this from day 1. More doesn't mean better. 30vs30 and you'll get zero teamwork and zero communication. This game is going to be nothing but a fragfest with non stop camping. 4vs4 is the best for multiplayer and 8vs8 is good if you want a bigger game.

You think a game of 5 vs 5 of basketball would be better if it was a 30 vs. 30 ???

[CaliGamer]

Interesting view, yet PC shooters have had 64 players with no problem. You fail to mention that it all depends on how they handle that amount of people. I think your argument is a bit thin, especially when I can find examples that contradict the concerns you bring up.

[rCrysis]

I'll agree on you with the teamwork part but personally I really don't care if part of the team doesnt co-operate. The main focus of the game is fun. we're not trying to be all commando-style. Although it would be pretty sweet if it was a 30v30 perfect co-operation match. Using a 30man force to their best limits...that would be awesome.

FirstknighT. His own to his own. If you like 8v8 then thats how you like it. You can search for an 8v8 match or whichever you like. having a 60 max is not mandatory. its an option that is opened up to the gamers like me who loving having such epic numbers. all-in-all everyone has their own opinions.

rCrysis

[tony]

will be a better multiplayer than call of duty 4 , especially with sucha number of players in a match. just make it smaller and prioritize on the frame rate.

[bigjclassic]

then your right. CoD4 is for no0bs bottom line. Its way too forgiving.
For all of those arguing for no reason, the 40p DM in Resistance is insanely fun regardless.

They just added 20 more people, good more people aim at. Insomniac better not gimp 60p DM on Resistance 2.

Bungie failed to realize that Insomniac made 40p DM fun already, they're just adding more players.

[The Closing]

The dude is right on the money although their game fails in this same aspect too. 60 hell even 20 is too many people in a room. It's just totally mindless that way, and there is nothing personal about the kill. Smaller matches means you get to know your competition, and that makes killing them a million times more rewarding. Also if you have an unlimited respawn count then there is no consequences for dying. But I guess a lot of mindless people out there like mindless no strategy action.

[rexor0717]

I came here getting ready to destroy Bungie in what way I could on an a website. But they make sense, but its Insomniac. They didn't put out a game with mediocre mechanics that had "nice features". I would respect more to see Infinity Ward say this. Even more, I hate the people who come on here and start flaunting stats. HALO 3= OVERRATED!
The bulk of the reviews come from crazy, biased sites. Sites like 1up, IGN, Gamespot(lol), as well as others can be expected to be more profesional, but they fell for the hype too. Im not saying you can't like Halo, hype really does get to you, but if you take a step back, you'll see that Halo 3 is not the "pentacle" of FPS. Dont even drag MGS into this.

[Revvin]

Although his comments just sound a little like sour grapes he does make a valid point about having to make the game interesting and playable with that number of players. I sometimes liked to play a few games of Doom because 2 or 4 player felt more gladitorial than the huge melee's in games like Battlefield 2 which I really enjoyed on the PC and 360. So yes up the player count but care needs to be taken to make it an entertaining multiplayer experience and on that count that's something Bungie have never been able to do with Halo, the third incarnation being one of the dullest multiplayer experiences I've ever played.

[Z501]

The pinnacle of the stealth genre.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Ninja Gaiden Sigma is 1080p Knob

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

No it isn't

[leon76]

At jason360: that's because the guy above have 4 agrees and you have 1 of your another account....what an @sshole....

[GurlPlease]

Chile, I wish some of you would re-read what was said. I kinda understand what he is saying. I love 4vs4 or 6vs6...60 players= pointless blood bath. I just got Resistance 2 weeks ago and the multiplayer is great...but it just feels like "spray n' pray" matches.

Either way, Im buying Resistance 2 day one. Until it comes out, Ill still be playing halo3...even after R2 arrives.

*side note*

Do anyone care for Killzone 2?

[GETPWNED]

lmao. sony fanboys, OWNED. u see, we gamers want strategy and tuned gameplay, ala gears and halo. not 60 guys just to brag that u can host 60 guys. stupid n00bs. enjoy the chat room lmao.

[eyeDEVOUR]

maybe bungie could pull it off if they didnt have to design maps around retarded ass gameplay that lets you jump 50ft in the air while wearing gay bright ass colored suits...wheres the tactics in that??? lol

[TheHater]

bungie should only comment when the make a 40 player game. The Resistance Guys did it, with out any problem, and no lag.

[Alcohog]

Well I don't have time to read through all this but I'm sure its already been mentioned: What Insomniac plans on doing is having individual squads working towards separate objectives. So maybe squad 'A' is going to destroy a weapons depot, while squad 'B's goal is to cut power, etc. Its a really cool concept that I hope plays out. Its Insomniac, so you have to figure they've got it all planned out.

[Bastard 360]

Unlike Bungie Insomniac sure are showing the way for the future, it's simple i'll break it down for the Xbotx Bungie likes to cash in on old franchises let's face it there really one hit wonders with Halo, Insomniac are inventors of great games, lots of new great games.

[XxZxX]

last thing insomiac need is a stupid comment from competitors just like 1080p is not possible by Microsoft's engineer Satchell

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Bungie is Bungie, and they "are" one of the top 5 devs in the world.

[TheHater]

you got a link or proof of that?
Don't worried, I just want to see where you get your info from

[hadouken007]

why are they worried bout it anyway, they got they money,stay out ps3's bizz-nezz.

[radizo]

Bungie should of read 1UP's RFOM2 Preview!

"Massive numbers should not mean massive confusion: 60 players (up from Resistance's max number of 40) may sound like an awful lot, but Insomniac is doing everything in their power to make sure competitive battles don't get out of hand. Players will be split into lobbies of six-to-eight-member squads, each with unique objectives. Specific areas on each map will foster frantic large-scale battles, but most of the fighting should come in the former of smaller skirmishes."

http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

[Gamerod]

Bungie should of read 1UP's RFOM2 Preview!

"Massive numbers should not mean massive confusion: 60 players (up from Resistance's max number of 40) may sound like an awful lot, but Insomniac is doing everything in their power to make sure competitive battles don't get out of hand. Players will be split into lobbies of six-to-eight-member squads, each with unique objectives. Specific areas on each map will foster frantic large-scale battles, but most of the fighting should come in the former of smaller skirmishes."

View MP section on page 2. http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

[jackdoe]

If the PC fps can do it, no reason Insomniac cannot. They would probably follow the Battlefield model if anything.

[Fux4Bux]

Pretty funny coming from Bungie who can't even make 16 player games not laggy. I'm sure Insomniac can handle 60 easily when they did 40 in Resistance and it was like their first major online game.

[sleepbox]

RFoM 2 will probably be the reason I get a PS3.

[JosefTor]

I wouldn't put 60 players in a multiplayer game in the plus category. I would put it in the negative category. Even on Call of Duty 4... the smaller playlists are more popular then the largest one. It is just too hard to have a cohesive team with that many players. Unless you get a 60 person clan... (which then it sucks because you win too fast).

After reading 1UP's preview though... maybe they could make it work. That would be mighty impressive and I'd love to try it out and see how it works. It would be really cool if different teams have different objectives.

[psnDevistator356]

Hard for Bugie

[Rhezin]

why would anyone agree with Joey Gladstone, that full house queer.

[jadenkorri]

bungie is just scared...insomniac challenges themselves and program for ps3, "everyone is told by other developers programming for ps3 is difficult"..seems Insomniac is not having any problems...bungie is scared to program for the ps3, they feel safe and secure with pc and xbox 360 programming.. Looking at what they have released gives them no right to comment on insomniac....they have only released halo 1, then halo again and then a 3rd time...honesty...did anything change...

[Iron Man 2]

Bungie can only wish they were ever half of what the great Insomniac is

If Resistance 1 supported 40 online lag free with Insomniac not even breaking a sweat,what makes you think things will be different this time around,Dark Sniper thought so

$niper

[Enigma_2099]

... I'm not sure how to take this... should I sit down or just remain standing while I laugh?

[bigjclassic]

either BF 2142 or RFOM, because the large scale battles are fine the way it is. It seems that Bungie is trying to brainwash (scare) some gamers away from RFOM2 by using this non-sense of 60p is too much. PC games have been doing this for years, and PS3 owners have been doing it since launch. So Bungie better worry about thier next game and stay out of Resistance business.

[Superiorrior]

40 people worked fine, 60 won't be anymore different just more pew pew, Bungie don't tell people how to improve on a series when you haven't changed a damn thing since Halo.

[PS3Freak]

maybe for bungie... but they are nowhere near the developer that insomniac is, it WILL be done.

[HondaSIRowner]

He's kind of saying that us gamers have no brains and we just
Frag the F**k outta everyone and not use any tactics!

60 player matches would be an "option", 16 32 48 and 60 I think it would be best for DM and TDM.

>>>>But if the maps are more huge than they already are, then 60 players would probably be/feel like the standard 16 player or 32 matches.<<<< Anyone agree?

But everyone including himself sees this as a threat and he comments on something that he feels threatened by!

He should have just kept his mouth shut. Bungie couldn't achieve what Insomniac is doing.

That got Bungie devs pissed and thats why they made this comment.