True power of PlayStation 3 to be revealed in 2008

2008 will be a boom time for the PlayStation 3, say leading developers.

"Once you put the effort in and start to understand the hardware, you can see PS3's huge technical potential," enthused Dave Connell, the lead console programmer at Traveller's Tales. Connell also noted that the challenge associated with the PlayStation 3's synergistic processor units (SPUs) is vitally important when it comes to truly accessing the console's promise. "We are going to see the quality of PS3 titles improve for many years to come as people get to grips with them," he added. "It might turn out that things we've not even thought of end up best demonstrating the power of PS3."

[avacadosnorkel]

No mention about Killzone 2? I thought that was the whole point. It was supposed to be a big article about how Killzone 2 is the most technically impressive game ever created.

I think it's been the most expensive ever.

[ParaDise_LosT]

'technically impressive'

[resistance100]

I would still say Killzone 2 will far suceed Resistance 2 in terms of graphics/sound/lighting etc.

The main point of Killzone 2 is to show off the PS3 as good as they can, hense why they are investing all this time and money in it. The last images we saw came from E3 last year, its now being released a whole year after that, so you know its going to look even better than that.

[marinelife9]

30% of the PS3 hardware. I'm still waiting to hear from a developer that they are only needing 30% of the 360's power.

I heard Valve say they were pushing the 360 to the limit with the Orange Box but only using the PPU and RSX on the PS3.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

You heard a fake interview.

[potenquatro]

@1.3 where did you hear valve say that? my laptop with 128mbnvidia fx go 5700 runs orange box everything high 2xaa dxlevel9 at a steady 45-55 fps no overclocking. how exacly is the 512mbati on the xbox being used to its full potential? is the 2x256mb7800nvidia(rsx) on the ps3 being used to its full potential?why wouldn't it? how do you get agrees? anyway. i don't kow about killzone, but yea, games are looking very nice.

[gaffyh]

@1.4/1.5 - I also heard this a while back, Valve said that Orange Box used about 90% of the 360s resources and about 30% of the PS3 resources. But most likely they didn't optimise the code for the 360 version much, and had to optmiise it for the PS3, also the PS3 is technically more powerful (8 cell chips).

I am much more likely to buy Resistance 2 than Killzone, because the first Resistance was fantastic so it can only get better, dunno how killzone is going to be.

[FreeMonk]

Although the PS3 has some great titles arriving within the next year, there is one thing that concerns me.

If Devil May Cry 4 takes 22 minutes on the pre-install, and Hot Shots Golf 4 takes around the same time on the pre-install (according to IGN.com), how long is it going to take on the pre-install of games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy and Killzone 2 plus others????

It seems we are going back into the past of the Spectrum ZX and Commadore 64 in waiting for games to load. Surely we should be moving forward with faster access times, and near cartrigde speed load times??

Some people will moan that "it's only a one off 20 minute install you have to wait", but things like this esculates with bigger games.

I hope we don't get the game that needs 10-15gig of HD space because that will be a long time to wait, especially with Blu-Ray being bigged up for it's space and superiority!!

[marinelife9]

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

Valve asked all the websites to pull this quote. It was on some xbox websites as well.

[kurochi]

of these articles already!! I'm tired of reading them, give us the damn games!!!!!

[TheTwelve]

Agreed. I'm waiting with eager expectation for the games. All of these articles are just torturing me, making me impatient.

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[Willio]

and flamebaiting they are.

[blacsheep]

tell us true gamers something we dont know!

ps3 is a beast which is now being let off its leash as develpers start to understand the complex but rewarding architechture.

2008 is exciting, like sony stated next-gen doesnt start till they say so and with blu-ray now in the bag its assault on showing gamers just what the ps3 can do has begun which in my opinion started with uncharted!

hurry up MGS4

[ban fans]

To quote the announcer of The Price is Right, "Here it comes!"

This is what I love and developers have complained about with Sony. Their systems slowly pick up steam and just get better with age. The programming is difficult, but once they start to get the hang of it we can expect each generation of games to look better than the last. I'm already impressed with my PS3, and knowing that I can look forward to every aspect of my present games to improve, now that is exciting!

[power091999]

It is actually "Come on down.. YOU are the next contestant....yadda yadda yadda") :)

[ban fans]

In the very beginning of the show, he says, "Here it comes," - then says something about the best hour of television and fabulous prizes and so on and so forth!

[bigjclassic]

I thought that KZ2 was the most demanding console game, unless they got some surprises up thier sleeve.

[marinelife9]

Last report was Killzone 2 was only using 4 SPUs.

[Ric Flair]

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[The Wood]

The potential is easily there and devs by the end of 09 maybe a soon as the end of 08 will have nowhere to hide in regards to shoddy work. Of course time constraints might cause issues but inexperience should be no real excuse IF the right dev tools and tricks are available for all who need. I understand that not all will have access to sony cash and support like insomniac or guerilla but I look at Infinity ward as a glowing example and believe that devs who DO, get the rewards and devs who DONT get the finger.

What happened to my 4 bubbles since last night. strange

[mighty_douche]

Get those 360's on Ebay guys before they're as worthless as their HD add-on...

[THWIP]

I'll be buying too many games for my 360, to bother with the PS3 yet. I'll pick up a PS3 when it's around $300, and there are at least 10 exclusives I'm interested in playing. The 360 simply has a better library of games, with the majority of multiplatform games being superior to the PS3 version.
As of right now, Uncharted and WarDevil (which I've been following for about 4 years) are the only ones I'm remotely interested in.

[GETPWNED]

OUCH! fanboys just got served. you can tell by all the disagrees LMFAO.

[MaximusPrime]

it already happened.... since the release of PS3.

[moparful99]

@THWIP well duh the 360 has a more robust library in terms of numbers. Its been out an entire year longer. I love how people like you constantly use that but microsoft is paying dearly for their "rushed to market strategy" As fas as all cross plats being superior, are you kidding me? Nearly all of them are equal, with only minor differences. You are the exact reason why this anti ps3 stuff needs to stop. Hell I could brag how burnout paradise is better on the ps3 but im not because the difference is so minor that its not worth mentioning. Point is that the ps3 has a growing library of amazing titles with the years best exclusives, you can hold off if you want but know that you're missing out on a truly amazing system.

[AngryTypingGuy]

No GETPWNED, it's just that there's a huge number of pimply faced geek Sony supporters on this website that disagree with anyone who has an anti-Sony comment. If you can't acknowledge that as of right now the 360 has a superior game library, then you're blind.

As far as the PS3 showing its true power, it still won't be for awhile. Just like THWIP, I'm too busy playing with my 360 and all of its AAA titles to care about picking up a PS3 right now. Maybe once it's cheaper and it has some more worthwhile exclusives under its belt, I'll pick one up. But then again, by that time, I'd probably rather wait for the next Xbox.

[vloeistof]

that would be nice

[kewlkat007]

Power don't man a damn thing...

Let me guess more technical mumbo jumbo..

[Premonition]

Power for the PS3 does mean a thing as long as devs know how to use it, people who say that statement just dont want to believe it, now if it were something like sony wrote down all these great features on a piece of paper and then when the built the machine and didnt put them in then you could probably say something like that, but as far as we know everything sony thought up about the cell and the RSX are in the PS3 which means PS3 has the power they want in order to make the games we want to see in the near future.

[Leathersoup]

...is to have a confusing architecture so nobody is truly sure if they're using all of it's capability or not. I think... I'm not sure... I'm confused... .. ..

"Where's the f'ing door?" (John McLane, Die Hard 2)

[Silellak]

2008 will be a boom time for the PlayStation 3, says anyone who is paying even a tiny bit of attention to gaming this generation.

[Neurotoxin]

As a happy Ps3 owner i`m going to say - I`ll Believe it when i see it.

[King2008]

There was a way Sony or someone could put out a demo or a real-time video of ps3 using most of its power just to see what its capable of. The only thing i notice is that exclusive games makes the most out of each individual console so they are the ones that will set the bar and Sony's first and second party studios are doing incredible work. The only multiplatform game that really shines on both is COD4. These next few months are gonna be very exciting.

[meepmoopmeep]

it's the PS2 scenerio all over again

[Mr_Kuwabara]

Like father like son bro, like father like son......

[blacsheep]

no not the chimp

bubbles up kuwabara ps3's got a lot to give but also a lot to learn from father ps2, 2008 will see ps3 grow up and make its father proud to hand over the baton so it can retire with its feet up!

[AceLuby]

Exactly what I was thinking. Look what I found in my digging:

http://www.streettech.com/a...
http://www.alex-in-wonderla...
http://www.racketboy.com/re...
http://www.sharkygames.com/...
http://dreamcast.ign.com/ar...

Does it look familiar at all...

The exact same thing happened for the Dreamcast. DC had better standard online, went w/ the old format (CD vs DVD), came out earlier, had a FAR better library of games, 1st gen PS2 games looked worse than current DC games, PS2 came out at a MUCH higher price (nearly double)...

Anyone who thought the PS3 was doomed must not have been the ones buying their launch PS2's when everyone was complaining that they overpromised and underdelivered. I remember because I had to wait until March after launch to get a PS2 that wasn't a pre-order.

[marinelife9]

Good find Ace. bubbles coming your way.

[LastDance]

"I don't want to sound like a complete Dreamcast fanboy. The PS2 is definitely an awesome machine, and it too will have a great selection of games over the next year. I love mine, but I can't honestly say that I'd recommend it over Dreamcast. At the moment, the limited selection of titles that take advantage of PS2's graphics capabilities, the price difference, and the complete lack of online gaming make the Dreamcast the smarter choice in my book. "

thats a quote from the link above...amazing!

[LastDance]

Sure, folks, we're absolutely giddy for Sony that Metal Gear Solid 2 is coming next year. But guess what? Its hitting Xbox, too, and Microsoft's pony offers much more horsepower. Why not save yourself a good $300 while you wait? We love the fact that PS2 is backward compatible, but chances are, if you have a ton of games you plan to use this feature with, you probably already have a PlayStation. Like you need two. And all this hoopla about the DVD capabilities. That's great, go buy a stand-alone DVD player. It will cost less and offer better image quality -- and a remote.

If you actually want to play good games, I think the choice is pretty clear here. Dreamcast has the games, and if that's what you're buying your console for, Sega most certainly has your back. 'Nuff Said.

This is from IGN ...HAHAHA.....Crazy ..replace MGS 2 with MGS 4 and XBOX from Dreamcast.

[aggh im on fire]

Heard it all before...

[-EvoAnubis-]

Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah! From ME!! Yeah, that's right, this is what I said in June of last year and had all the 360 fans telling me how full of crap I was!

You know, it's a real burden, being right so often.

[THC CELL]

yes we will; see true power

lets see crysis running better than the pc ver
and fall of man 2 and more

[killer_trap]

the thing that would make me believe all that is when i see those RFOM2 pics actually moving. i'm having a really hard time believing the game will end up that good.

as for ps3's power. i already saw it with a bundled game called motor storm, that game still graphically impresses and i can't wait for another game from the team responsible for it.

[DarkSniper]

PLAYSTATION® 3 is shaping up to be the pinnacle of modern video game history. The power of the PLAYSTATION® 3 is unprecedented and rivaled by no other console in the market. Sony Computer Entertainment has done an extraordinary job in ensuring that their platform would be designed for long term benefits.

XBOX 360 has been a troubled console since it's birth on November 22, 2005. Anything that has affiliation Microsoft Corporation , it's destined to be something of terrible hardware/software. Furthermore, the slaves who have been inhabited by Microsoft are started to rebel in hopes of gaining their first sense of freedom. Those loyal to the Microsoft coalition have taken personal offense to Dark Sniper's comments and he has forced tears to shed upon them as they try to defend their wretched console in a hapless attempt.

$niper

[-EvoAnubis-]

We PS3 fans have been saying the same thing this article is, only we've been saying it for more than a year. To reiterate myself from over 8 months ago, once developers get past the learning curve and truly start to master the PS3 hardware, we are going to start seeing games that will simply blow peoples' minds. There's a reason that Sony said that the next generation didn't start until they said it did. Microsoft jumped the gun in a desperate attempt to dethrone Sony, but those attempt will backfire when we start seeing games on the PS3 that simply cannot be done on the 360.

This will mean that Microsoft will have to jump to a 8th generation console simply to keep up with Sony's 7th gen console, they will drop support of the 360 in favor of the new X-Box, and people won't make that switch. Instead they'll "jump out and play b3yond" on a PS3 with more games than the next X-Box, at a much more wallet friendly price.

It's a real burden being right so often, but somehow, I'll manage.

[Dark Sniper]

November 22, 2005 was the greatest day in gaming history, as the superior XBOX 360 home entertainment system was finally released. For the last two years it has provided us endless joy and entertainment, and the Waitstation3 has never managed to threaten Microsoft's lead in the gaming industry.

JUMP IN.

$niper

[aceman7]

It's these kinds of articles that put PS3 in trouble in 2006=2007.

[Coke-a-Cola]

And WOW what a start.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

After you install it to your hard drive.

[Lew_Ijgee]

You mean the hard drive that comes standard with every system? Or the one that can be upgraded with any 2.5" SATA hard drive? Oh are those the same... I did say STANDARD didn't I?

[tweaker]

How is this a negative thing? Who gives a damn about initial installation. You've been doing that on your Microsoft based computer since day one fanboy.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

These are gaming consoles, it doesnt say Playstation PC or Xbox PC anywhere on the box. I think you should lay off the meth, your tweaking just a bit to hard. Thanks for calling me a fanboy with my name Jason 360 <--what part of the 360 didn't you get the 3 the 6 or the 0? welcome to the "open zone". Did you bump your head on the way in or somthing? Install games on my PC, yeah but installing games on a Wii, Xbox or Playstation? I'll type that again just incase your to dee dee dee "WII, XBOX and PLAYSTATION" <---here is your sign.

[Kleptic]

Jason...so you are a 360 fanboy?...not an Xbox fanboy?...you appreciate MS's step backwards in innovation?...

I have told you this numerous times...With UT3, you can cache a file to the HDD on every PS3...and you end up with the only single console UE3 powered game that has zero texture streaming...remember Mass Effect?...there are youtube videos of nearly 16 seconds of crap base layering before the real textures come in...same with gears, bioshock, Vegas...you name it...

while some games required it...MOST of them leave it as an option for the user...and if you ever do fill up a 40gig, 60gig, 80gig or whatever...you buy a 300gb drive for less than what it costs to buy the 120gb for the 360...the PS3 absolutely wins in this department...

criticizing a system that has options your own does not is the very definition of a lame person...

I know 2008 really sucks for 360 owners right now...but get over it...find a clever way to insult us...not pasting the same shat over and over...and when you say things like you did above...it just reinstitutes how stupid you guys are...you are 100% confirmed victims of domestic abuse..."He didn't hit me...I just tripped and fell into both of his fists"...MS keeps sticking it to you, and you defend them like dogs...

[LevDog]

30% and Its on par with 360s games in its 2nd year.. Wow.. Once they utilize blu ray and its HD and memory space capabilities and the fact that 360s still dev games on STANDARD DVD and its limited space.. We should start seeing a major Jump in graphics, sound quality and length of games.. 30% jeez that is baffling.. Cause you know it takes years for them to get to at least 80%.. I say this year they will prolly only get to 50-60% of ps3 true power.. AND with the annocment of Twisted Metal..GOD I LOVE PS3

[SlCKB0Y]

thats what the article should say because with publishers like ea n such will strive to make their games identical to the box.

when other developers will push the ps3 to new levels of gaming us sony fans asked for identical games, we should have asked for the best game are console is capable of.

[pp]

yeah well i'm still waiting to see this so called true power of ps3.
because xbox360 still kicks ps3 ass just wait and see at GDC

[mighty_douche]

kicking ass? in which field? graphics, no, Uncharted wins there, how about sales? oops no, PS3 won there to....

ah im with you, amount of delusional fanboys? yeah M$ has that one in the bag....

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Sorry dude, didn't mean to startle you, you were dreaming again.

Now type these words into any google or yahoo search engine "PS3 vs 360 graphics comparison video" then come back and tell me what you see :) ooooh snap. Now you may need some tissue http://www.kleenex.com so the tears from crying do to the harsh reality you are witnessing. Now don't get to sad that the PS3 allways comes out on the bottem, it's been down there from the very first day.

Now excuse me while I go play the games that have won all those graphic compairisons. you can do what you droids do best, "wait" for those "delayed promises" and installing 5gb while waiting 22 min for every game on your PS3rd. Whats the score again for ports looking better on the 360? I lost count when it reached 80 to 1 or so.

I know your going to say "wait till 08" wait a minute, we are in 08. You know your pathetic PS3 is still lagging and holding 360 gamers back while our games get delayed because your pathetic PS3 is to freaking hard to dev for. 3 to 6 months and the games still look like sh!t on the PS3. Whats up with that?

Don't you have some games to install on your PSinstallME?

[ban fans]

Oh, yes, I will wait and see. I will see the PS3 outsell the 360 this year. I will see PS3 games that look better than anything the 360 is nearly capable of. I will see all you 360 fanboys desperately scratching for something to argue that your system is better. I will see more quality exclusives on my PS3 than you've had in the life of the 360 this year. I will see an online service that dominates the 360. I will see MS screw over their own fans with more broken systems and abandonment on what was supposed to be the future of MS. I will see the tears of 360 fanboys puddling on the ground when they realize the only way they can get a true cutting edge video game system is to buy a PS3.

Yes, I will wait and you will see.

[Kleptic]

yeah Jason is running out of things to say faster than an Australian gamestop can refuse 360s...his comments are so full of holes its ridiculous...google every comparison video and what do you see?...uh...we see every worthwhile multiplatform title being the same or better on the PS3...if its an average crapper, chances are its better on the 360...what the point...

and we both know that some of the best looking titles are exclusives to that respective system...effectively making comparison videos of the best looking titles on each system...impossible...idiot...

[moparful99]

Hey jason hows the RRoD treating ya? What about the disc read errors, or the overheating, disc scratching, XBL server crashes? 50 bucks a year when I play for free.... All of these comparisson videos online hold no value. Remember that GameTrailers debacle where they were caught red handed handicapping ps3 videos? then they attacked ps3 fans now they claim they are using full hdmi functions of the ps3 yet the graphics they post still look like crap? Yea I dont trust these videos and considering that what I see on my tv never matches whats seen on these sites further reiterates my point. You sir get "epic fail" status.

[PopEmUp]

his ball(s)

[Nykamari]

No time soon, maybe 12 years or so for now. This system will grow over time with its processing power of the CELL and SPU. The more Devs learn the more the CELL&SPU will learn. Damn Sony is brilliant! For any other system to catch up they will need Sony's Engineers! Watch and see what going to happen. Look at the PSP alot of people didn't think a handheld PS2 was possible, and the greatest about it was that it was designed before the PS3, and its apart of it. Nice look into the Future Sony! Can you think about the possibilty of SKYPE coming to the PS3! WOW! With more and Bigger updates the PS3 is the ULTIMATE SYSTEM out there and will be for the NEXT 12YEARS!!! Peace(Kaos)Nykamari

[redwingsrock]

it's funny, gears of war on the 360 used 95% of the consoles power meanwhile UT3 which looks almost the same especially with an 3rd person view mod, and UT3 only used about 30% of the power of the system we have some very good looking games in our future indeed

[LevDog]

Damn I didnt know gears used 95% of 360 power.. To be honest I think uncharted looks better than gears.. and it only used 30%.. Thats a big gap..

[tweaker]

No doubt!

[robbo918]

Your avatar cracks me up, good job :)

[InMyOpinion]

I think it's time to stop with the bs and put the money where the mouth is. I don't care how many SPUs the games use, or what percentage of the console's power the developer claim they are utilizing. I'm interested in how the games will look and play. If they aren't any good it doesn't matter what parts of the console they use or to what extent.

[JeepGamer]

How many of the PS2 "Killer Aps" came out in the first year of the PS2? If you look at some of the early PS2 games, even the good ones, you will see how technically inferior they are to the games that came out later. As for the 360, I doubt they've reached the limits of its capabilities either but we'll have to wait and see.

We know the PS3 limits have not been tested.

[Willio]

Bouncer from 1st gen-ps2 was a killer...

[Lord_Ash]

besides Sony's 1st party, Kojima and Square Enix will show us how to make a game on the PS3, all we have to do is wait.

[Teabag Sony]

I can agree with that the games for the PS3 will get better looking. The part about many years to come though, that is not going to work. In three maybe for years tops the PS3 will be obsolete. Yes it will still have support but the hardware in it will be yesterdays news. What is the point of making a console so powerful if it takes three to four years to harness the full power of it?

[AceLuby]

How many great games came out on the PS2 in the 1st or even 2nd year? I owned one through that and I can tell you it was slim pickins'. If you think in 3 years the PS3 will be obsolete you are kidding yourself. The PS2 isn't obsolete and it hit the market over 7 years ago. I'm not saying there won't be a PS4 (though I highly doubt there will be one before 2012, maybe winter of 2011), the PS3 won't be obsolete as long as devs want to develop for it and Sony will support it w/ their 1st party devs. They don't have 'obsolete' consoles when a new one comes out, unlike some other company...

[ban fans]

The thing with PS3 hardware, and software format (Blu-Ray), is that each and every component is going to take time to get used to. The idea of PS3 fizzling out in 3 to 4 years is absurd. Getting everything in the machine to work together in the most efficient manner is going to take a while to master. On top of that, Blu-ray itself is a new storage media, and I'm sure as that matures, they (Sony and the developers) are going to figure out new ways to compress the information onto the discs with out using so much space, and thus fit more information on the discs themselves.

That's the beauty of the PS3. It will mature, not age.

[Willio]

teabag is a prohpet who can see the future apparently. Can you also tell me who wins the presidency since your at it? Obama or Clinton?

[King2008]

That Sony has a longevity plan that requires future thinking when developing a console. They thought DVD will be limited in the near future..lets put games on blu-ray...HDMI will become increasing standard...lets put one on every console. If you can get the most out of a machine in the first 2 years then your right it would get obsolete quickly but if you manage to make a system that can remain relevant and powerful in years 5-6 thats an amazing accomplishment. Imagine when the ps2 came out. No one would have thought that a game like God of War was possible when you had games like The Bouncer...think about it.

[Willio]

LMAO, you mentioned the bouncer... ive been spamming that on these flamebait articles recently and have been ignored... You are my hero! That game was truly good for graphics on first gen but also impressive lame load times!

[BestGamerAlive]

PUT ANY OF PS3 EXCLUSIVES VS UR GARBAGE IT BLOWS IT OUT THE WATER AND UNCHARTED IS THE BEST LOOKING GAME KNOWN 2 MAN AND LETS NOT TALK UR SYS CANT DO TRUE 1080P BY THE WA WHATS ALL THE FIGHTING FOR XBOX IS DEAD JUST LIKE HD DVD SO GO ALONG IM PRETTY SURE UR SUBSCRIPTION IS UP SO GO ENEW IT OR GO ADD SOMETHING ON U BALL SUCKING BOYLOVERS

[ambientFLIER]

Can't do true 1080p? Really? Please provide proof to that.

[caffman]

turn of your caps. You are making yourself foolish.
Also "boylovers"? I think someone is in denial

[Luck_y_Penny]

:)

[BestGamerAlive]

UR THE BIGGEST M$ DI$K RIDER IN HERE U COWARD

[yeh]

Sorry but... ROFL ^^^. Bubbles to you sir. One of the reasons PS3 momentum is getting stronger is because people are realizing the Xbox 360 is a last gen titanic who just hit an iceberg, the PS3, and is sinking very rapidly.

[Kain81]

Bubbles for ya

[LevDog]

HAHA TEABAG SONY.. Obviously your xbox fan.. your only saying that cause you realize that is exactly what xbox did.. they reached thier potential after 2 years.. So now in 2 more years you gonna have to spend another 800 bucks on a system.. because xbox cant keep pace with PS3 and its HD if they still make games on Standard dvd.. So while PS3 is built for 8-10 years and can keep pace with changing technology.. YOu will spend more in the end to get the same results as ps3 owners.. and techically xbox owners are spending more now anyways xbox elite 450$ WIFI 100$ HD DVD(useless now) 129% = 780$ just to get what you get STANDARD ON PS3.. Then another prolly 600$ when xbox realizes they cant keep up with ps3 and have to make another system.. so 1300$ out of your pocket just to play Next Gen games.. Hmm and still not handheld from xbox.. PSP and remote play is the best.. especially when the camera.. Im babbling again haha

[Willio]

Dude, i love my ps3 and Teabag may or may not be a xbox-fanboy. But you made yourself look worse as a bad representative of a sonyfanboy by spouting out numbers. He might hate HD for all we care so it might cheaper. Who cares?

[Teabag Sony]

You make a very good point but this is not the year 2000 any more. Technology is improving at such a rapid rate the longevity of any product is at risk. My point is that there will always be some group that is touting the latest and greatest in hardware and software advancements and to think that a console can keep a 5 year life span is not going to happen. It looks like the Blu-ray decision for Sony is going to pay off but i still don't think that blu-ray will have the impact that DVD did. This same argument goes for the 360 to, MS will have to introduce somthing new with in the next 2 years.

@ L1
No I am a fan of technology and it's advancments it can make. I just can't stand the PS3 fan brigade on this website. Thats why I make the comments I do at some of you. I like to lower myself down to your level from time to time just to have a little fun.

[robbo918]

PS3 will not have a 5 year life, it will have 7-8 at the least. Technology isn't always what sells a system (points to Wii), but even with the knowledge that technology is increasing rapidly Sony built the PS3 pretty future proof, or at least as much as a system can be. I loved hearing people say that PS2 wouldn't last for more than 5 years, wow how wrong were they.

In regards to your "its not 2000 anymore" that is correct yet how do you explain the very high level of PS2 sales to this day??? According to your logic it shouldn't be selling even one.

PS. Your comments were moderately intelligent until you had to slam him with your witty "stoop to his level", its a comment on a forum/zone, how would you assume to know what anyone is capable of? We can safely deduce you are incredibly arrogant from your reply.

[LevDog]

Fair Enough.. I just think Sony thought of this and made precautions.. Blu Ray has to have the impact.. especially if its gonna be the main stay for the next Format.. So with HDMI standard Blu ray standard and a yet untapped power in the ps3 along with firmware updates.. Personally I think Ps3 could be around longer than just 5 years.. But time will tell

[The_Engineer]

"Once you put the effort in and start to understand the hardware, you can see PS3’s huge technical potential," enthused Dave Connell, the lead console programmer at Traveller’s Tales. Connell also noted that the challenge associated with the PlayStation 3’s synergistic processor units (SPUs) is vitally important when it comes to truly accessing the console’s promise. "We are going to see the quality of PS3 titles improve for many years to come as people get to grips with them," he added. "It might turn out that things we’ve not even thought of end up best demonstrating the power of PS3."

NUFF SAID, obtuse people and hardcore fanboys of the other console have had this little statement explained to them about 20 different ways yet they choose to act like fools and bash the PS3 because of the current limitations of DEVELOPER KNOW HOW. THAT is what's limiting some titles on the console not the console itself. We said they would get the hang of pipelining the SPU's and once THAT happens the PS3 would blow away any and all competition. Now you see it start happening. When the day comes that PS3 games make 360 games look like they were done on an etch a sketch there will be a MASSIVE flame war here, there will be carnage, many people will get banned, some will cry but in the end you can't say you weren't warned.

[Graphics by ATi]

You never fail to let us down, Engineer.

Never.

[GETPWNED]

ROFL! WAIT BEYOND! ALWAYS WAIT!

[MaximusPrime]

better than having it now. Look at microsoft. They released Xbox 360 a year too early, leading to RRoD, 33% failure rate.
They rushed the release of Halo 3, which turned out to be Halo 2.2

I prefer letting Sony do their job even thou they sometimes delay things.
I congratulate Sony for putting their effort in putting more work on PS3. Releasing a year later = 0.1% failure.
Releasing games later = best games.

[Mr Tretton]

the install argument is the lamest arguement yet by Xtwats. How many games have had a mandatory install? 1? So now every game apparently has to install according to Xsluts. PFFF. Lame. Come up with something new BABOONS.

The thing is, Xtards have typically 20GB of non upgradable space in their over priced Xcrap HDD. So the idea of them having to install 1 game temporarily make them shudder in fear.

Awww. Now I gotta delete Viva Pinata 2! :(

[ban fans]

As I said above, they are already getting desperate to think of something to attack the PS3 with. Why? Because, on the horizon lies their beloved 360's demise. It's the PS3, guns a blazing! Once the PS3 surpasses it in graphics, what's left. It has already been matched in a very short time. This time next year, half these 360 fanboys will probably OWN a PS3.

[chrno6]

I know, the mandatory install increases the loading time by 3 times, so I don't c any problem with that.
And there's no doubt that ps3 will rule in 2008, 360 fanboys are just scared XD

[jvmca]

Honestly, what is the cell (oh so powerful blah blah blah) going to provide graphically in parrallel with the PS3 graphics processor? I want to know. How are the cores being utilized by the developers for current and future games? I am not concerned with the sound or the AI. It's like watching the movie The Shinning with the wife discovering her husband is typing the same words over and over again 'the cell (oh so powerful blah blah blah)'. Come on, throw me a bone here and give me a reason to be oh so impressed by the new profound four letter word 'CELL'. If your not a developer then you don't have a clue and I don't want to see any white papers either. Who cares about playing BluRay movies. Something has got to give, do you honestly beleive 100% your getting more bang for your buck? I doubt Sony incorporatd the best electronics into the PS3 to give you the best picture. At most, it's the basics to play BluRay content. The most that can be said is yes the PS3 can play BluRay content and play games after the long install time. There will be no improvment in hardware with the PS3 as the output will remain the same except for the occasional firmware updates to fix what the hardware itself is lacking or incapable of doing. The PS3 will remain a BluRay playback dinasour while every other consumer purchases a real dedicated unit with improved electronics with a real future and not firmware patched.

[AceLuby]

Bang for your buck and the PS3 wins hands down. You want a dedicated machine for every little thing you do (movie playback, cd/mp3 player, game machine, PC) than I guess the PS3 isn't for you. However, I like that all I need is one machine to watch hi-def movies AND play awesome games.

The cell is best explained by having seven separate processors. It's not rocket science that if you are utilizing the cell as a single processor that you aren't going to get the best results. Not a lot of devs have done this (I think the most is 4 w/ uncharted). This is why they are saying it is so powerful, it's different, but if utilized correctly it can be powerful.

Why don't you take off your fanboy hat for a while and think before you type. And before you call me a fanboy I have both a 360 and PS3 and think that the PS3 has far better options as a console and a media hub. Also, I spent as much for my elite as I did for my launch 60GB PS3, and didn't even buy the HD-DVD add on.

You talk about HW and how the PS3 doesn't have the best HW, but compared to its competition (the 360) the HW blows it out of the water. Talked to a UPS guy the other day and he said he gets at least 1 360 to return every day. Give me a break and take it to the crappy zone.

[jvmca]

Right about what, the PS3 game graphics and PSN finally getting some respect from the industry? Please, some new news content on where the PS3 is going to excel and not play catch-up to the Xbox 360.

[robbo918]

X360 has been out a YEAR longer, if they weren't ahead it would be sad to say the least. Sales for 2007, PS3 had more than X360. Sales currently and for the past 2+ months PS3 is outselling X360 WW (oh yeah by over 40k this past week). Recent articles from gaming industry analysts and some developers (even EA oddly) stating 2008 is going to be PS3's year. The only reason X360 is ahead right now is because it game out a year earlier with no competition.

[Ps3ShellShock]

just seeing titles within the first couple of months of the life of the PS# like motorstorm and RFOM i knew that the PS3 is a power house just waiting to be tapped..5 months down the road we got amazing games like lair/HS/drakes/R&C that simply look amazing and do what the 360 cant do.

these titles are 1st year titles and ruin any 2nd year title of the 360 - just stating facts...if you can show me a 2nd year xbox360 title that even compares to these games pls post it...because i know u wont find any

[jvmca]

Motorstorm has washed out graphics reminding me of a less powerful graphics processor displaying painted graphics with no surface detail. The only real polygon usage, though limited, is in the characters and vehicles. The terrain was an after thought.

[marionz]

360 had plenty of great games in its first and second year, how about kameo, the graphics in that game were awesome for a launch game!
plus there was dead riseing and others that i just dont care enough to list, but for every game ps3 gets thats great 360 has one thats equal or better
as time goes on games will get better and better, devs had extra time to develop games wit ps3 being delayed and xbox as a next gen platform to develop for
try and tell me GOW bioshock arnt incredable looking games

[The_Engineer]

but from what I have seen the Xenos or Xenon (whatever they call the gpu in the 360) is about half as powerful as the RSX. IMO it has better shaders, a better fill rate, and can produce a better color palette.

Unified shaders and what not are a gimmick that is proving to not pan out in real game applications.

[jvmca]

Your all-in-one solution is like driving a moped to pick up the kids, grocery shopping, off roading, or a family trip. It does the job but it is limited and not the best overall solution. You need a vehicle that doesn't have limitations. The PS3 has limitations and can't do everything perfectly as you have confinced yourself. I beleive Divx playback has some issues with the PS3. Try a freeware to stream content from your PC to PS3 and you won't be as limited. I won't argue with the RROD issue, it is what it is.

[AceLuby]

I don't know why I'm commenting here because you obviously don't know what's going on. The PS3 is DivX certified and can play back all XviD videos except for some VERY old codecs. It upconverts DVD's, plays blu ray discs, plays PS3 games, streams data easily from a PC, has a built in HDD to put anything you want on it, has built in wi-fi, built in controller chargers, built in card readers (for the 60gb version), outputs true 7.1 surround sound, every version has HDMI, and all have free online, linux (if you want), and web browser. You don't know how well it does any of these things because you've obviously never owned one. You talk bang for your buck, but have to purchase any 'feature' that isn't for games.

What other limitations are you going to try to throw out there? Maybe blu ray has too much space, or that standard HDD is bad for gaming, or how about... oh I can't think of any more.

I like my 360, but 'bang for the buck' as you say goes hands down to the PS3. But to each his own.

[hotrider12]

ps3 dont NEED!!! to play catch up on the other hand 360 do.
for developers is now tapping in ps3 capabilities that surpass 360 anyday. not alone unreliable console RROD issues enough said. not bashing anyone just stateing facts that we all know about the 360
regardless what any 360 fans can say you guys cant over look the RROD problems, sony not losing much money over re-calls and repairs that I personally know of?? ( I personnaly know of)like 360 consoles

[jvmca]

Tapping into what capabilities, the cell oh so powerful blah blah blah, you mean playing catch up to the 360? What does it really do besides market itself like broadband engine? The 360 has three cores with 2 threads per core but whose counting. It's just as capable. Wasn't there a topic on CELLs with disabled cores target for the PS3? Oh, you haven't ready about that one and Sony's confirmation. So the developers have to develop for a pre-determined core count and not what the specs say for the cell. Is there really just one disabled core per CELL for the PS3 or are there more disalbed cores in the CELLs that are targeted for the PS3? You do the research.

Yes the 360 has heat issues.

The HD format disagreement isn't over so save your demise of HD-DVD. The HD-DVD drive should have been built-in to the 360 as a media for game content with movies being second. Although movies would have been a nice touch. A dedicated BluRay player is still the preferred playback option for the best picture quality. Unless you just want to watch a BluRay movie with "it works!" quality then a PS3 is fine.

You must have an avatar in mind for PS Home, my pre-schooler would like that. It's so cute

Enjoy!!!!!!!!

[AceLuby]

Why don't you take your comments to the open zone where people who don't know what they are talking about go to.

'A dedicated BluRay player is still the preferred playback option for the best picture quality. Unless you just want to watch a BluRay movie with "it works!" quality then a PS3 is fine.'

This is ridiculous. The quality on my 65" TV is perfect. Not only that, but the PS3 is one of the few BluRay players that will be upgradable to the 2.0 specs. It's not as good as say a high end $1000 player, but as far as $200-800 players go, the PS3 is the best one out there. Sir, you fail. Do you have any sources to back your statements up or are they where I think they came from... you may need to wipe after that one.

[sak500]

THe next gen begins with installation. Now i know why Ken/kaz used to say that PS3 will replace PC.

[LevDog]

JCMCA you are like every other xbox fan that says you wont watch blu ray and that its pointless.. Ok great dont watch HD movies then.. but the games for ps3 are developed on BLU RAY disc.. A HD DISC with more space and HD Capabilities.. Xbox still devs on Standard dvd and its at its peak for performance.. All the latest multiplatform games are equal and thats saying alot since xbox has been out longer.. Yes they were better at a point but not now and soon the xbox version will be the once suffering.. Have fun buying a new console in 2 years.. cause there is no way that xbox can keep up if they still dev on standard dvds.. oh wait blu ray is a SONY product.. When blu ray wins and toshiba discontinues HDDVD.. Xbox is gonna be a tite spot.. They wont have any HD Discs to develop on.. Unless they hmm call sony and settle a deal to use blu ray.. OUCH

[hotrider12]

BIG TIME BUBBLES FOR YOU I agree with you. I think I read a article on here previously stateing microsoft might settle a deal with sony to buy blu-ray formatt HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAA MUHAAAAAAAAAA

[Kain81]

and some of the announced games not showed yet
i mean Ico-project, 8 Days, Wardevil, Getaway 3, God of War 3,
Twisted Metal 3, Heavy Rain, Siren 4, Socom 4 and many More

[Graphics by ATi]

I look forward to the day when I can laugh at people who thought the PS3 was going to fail.

You think the PS2 sold a lot?

You just wait and see, kiddies.

Wait and see.

[robbo918]

Its easy :) Oh and hurry the heck up with Star Trek 11 Picard...I know its not about you but "Make it so!"

[dafinaldays]

even tho the PS3 was just introducing itself in november bringin out a few games those few games was still great now that we are n 2008 this is PS3's year to show off wat it has, wat it can do, wat we will see in the future the 360 is dying as we speak sure there's halo 3 and mass effect but the ps3 has prototype, MGS4, GT5, Killzone 2, not to forget resistance 2, final fantasy 13, and etc. the 360 had great online abilities until Home comes out then the 360 will be just like the xbox... dead!

[jordan8445]

The 'True power of the Playstation 3' won't be revealed untill 2010, at least. Not 2008. Not all of the current consoles are 4 year farces. Stop bagging the PS3 down with the Xbox 1.5.

[cmrbe]

But i am pretty happy with the status quo. Anyone that has Resistance and RC TOD like i do would agree with me that the leap from R1 to RC TOD is massive not just graphics wise. Now we are promise that R2 will see a similar leap and it shows in the screen shots.I am more than happy with games like Uncharted and RC as is currently. Obviously i would like to see improvements with new iterations and i am pretty sure we will.I not implying anything but i would rather have a console that will not peak in its first 2-3 years as i don't want a short lifecycle for a console that i buy.

[zonetrooper5]

Meh I'm getting tired of devs claiming they know how much power in percentage they are using of the PS3 and 360, all BS to me. Just want the games to show me the power.

[HarryEtTubMan]

VERY TRUE. THe STANKbox. The LASTGENbox. The Crustbox. The BOOOOOOOOOOOOMbox.

[NexGen76]

I told 360 owners the day Gears of War came out have fun you will never see any game on you console that will come close.Guess i didn't lie because as PS3 games are getting better i don't see any area of growth on 360 games since Gears of War.

[sleepbox]

Bring it on! I'm still waiting for Sony to fulfill it's hype and show me something as mindblowing as the PS3 has been hyped up to be. I will buy it as soon as this happens.

[Kain81]

Than you will buy a PS3 very soon^^

[TwissT]

Stop the talk and give us the games!

[Tyrael]

I dont give a rats @$$ who uses more of whos power. All i care about is what I see on my screen, and how i use my controller to execute. If it takes 30 percent of the console power, ok. If it takes 100 percent of the consoles power, whatever.

[jvmca]

Honestly, what is the cell (oh so powerful blah blah blah) going to provide graphically in parrallel with the PS3 graphics processor? I want to know. How are the cores being utilized by the developers for current and future games? The 360 has three cores with 2 threads per core but whose counting. It's just as capable. Wasn't there a topic on CELLs with disabled cores targeted for the PS3? Oh, that slipped your mind, let the link refresh your memory.
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/20...
So, the developers have to develop for a pre-determined core count and not what the specs say for the cell. Is there really just one disabled core per CELL for the PS3 or are there more disabled cores in the CELLs that are targeted for the PS3? That would be interesting to uncover.

[weswedfert]

correct

[OC Shock Value]

Look lets just keep it real.. If your a REAL gamer.. You should know that its all about SONY and NINTENDO..

Anything else is just a little fun to tide you over for the big dogs.. Go ahead.. dissagree with me thats fine.. but you know the truth

[caffman]

its a transformer! I know my friends PS3 has tranformed into a dust gatherer anyway!

[sak500]

LOLOLOL +bubbles

Best comment of the month..

Watch out, here comes the RROD jokes from ken's minions.

BTW PS3 also teaches the art of zen.. You know how to be patient etc.
They waited for the console for a year, they waited for games, they waited for rumble, they waited for achievements..now they wait for installations, MGS4, KZ2, ffVIIIIII , GT5 etc.

Now these ps3 owners have become patients of psychiatric ward.

[moparful99]

Its funny you bring up waiting... I say its better to wait for my game to install than to wait for my cardboard coffin to come from Microsoft. Then wait a month and a half to get it back, if I do get it back. Sorry fellas theres no escaping the reality that the 360 sucks in terms of reliability.

[OC Shock Value]

PS3 hell SONY itself is better then M$..

Lets just skip over the wannabe Playstation (360) that tries 2 buy out and snatch everything that is sony.. because they wanna be just like like them.. i mean if PS3 sucks so bad then why try 2 take sonys games.. get your own shyt..

This should be the end of this pointless PS3 vs 360 N4g war.. 360 is just a low budget PS3 with new age FPS loving fans that put everything gaming behind halo and gears of war LMAO.. i bet the majority of 360 fans claim Halo as their all time fav game.. well they do in my area anyway..

So lets just leave these 360 fans alone and let them play theyre billions of AAA shooters.. hell even the 1 great RPG on the 360 is a shooter..

so lets let them be and try to overcome the REAL obstical that is Nintendo.. arguing with xbox (fanboys) not regular fans is pointless..

if sony got a game that is CLEARLY above all (Uncharted) xbots will shoot it down and act like it sucks anyway.. so dont bother.. if PS3 had a disc 5x bigger then 360 it wouldnt matter to them, it would still suck lol.. (wait it does)

DAMN im rambling like crazy.. im goin 2 sleep.. new battles 2morrow nerds.. over n ouT

[Sayai jin]

That's good to hear, but why did I have to wait so long?

[The-Only-Truth]

This "news" = zZZZzzzzZzZZzzzz

[nathen456]

turd

[sleepbox]

I am ready for some good PS3 games.

[Bolts]

30% of the SPU or 70% does it matter? Then there is the question of if it's possible to program a game that take advantage of 90% of the SPU and what would it look like.

Lost in all this Cell and SPU bs is the real advantage of PS3 any gamer can notice today, its the humble build in HDD. This simple little device is already making PS3 games look and perform better than what's possible on the 360.

While people may talk about the PS3's Bluray vs the 360's legacy DVD and all that SPU jazz I think MS's failure to include a hard drive in all 360 packages thats really set the two systems apart.

[undacovabrothe]

No dev will make a game in within 3 years that will use 90% of the ps3. The only way I could see a studio to go that far for a game is when they are making a sequal to a game that uses maybe 60% of it already and have something to build off of.

ALso no they ps3 will not show its "True Power" but enough power to send the 360 packing it will do.

[The_Engineer]

tools available for the SPU's has had about 3-4 years to mature. Even then as the dev from travellers tales states. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF WAYS TO UTILIZE SPU TIME. That is very significant, its like an automotive engineer coming up with a race car so advanced no one can drive it full speed right away.