XBLA download limit causing SSF2T:HD Remix problems

From the VideoGamer.com article: "The man behind Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo: HD Remix has admitted that the XBLA game-size limit imposed by Microsoft is causing development problems, sparking concern that there may be differences between the XBLA and PSN versions of the game when it is finally released.

SSF2T:HD Remix director David Sirlin revealed that developer Backbone is struggling to fit the new HD graphics into the 150MB Xbox LIVE download limit and admitted that including remixed music as well as the original music is proving "difficult or impossible"."

[Skerj]

I hate that stupid limit, there would probably be better XBLA games if it were removed.

[mighty_douche]

so they allow demos of crap games such as The Club to be limitless in size, yet cap "arcade" games to 150mb?

why exactly?

Oh and whens the PS3 version coming!!

[Skerj]

Because of the uninformed suckers who bought the core and arcade systems. They don't have a hard drive so MS limits the XBLA games to 150mb so they can download them and store them on the memory cards. They lost a game called Eternity's Child to the Wii for that.

And yes it's quite stupid to allow 2 gig demos but impose such a stupid limit on original games that could make money.

[RecSpec]

Since it got delayed last year, there has been no specific release date. Although this could lead up to the PSN version being released first.

[craymoogy]

first they kill themselves by not having the next gen disc driver, now the stupid size limit. Seems like MS is on the way to hell. An arcade game for 150mb? Man, that's horrible. Even my game is 150mb when it looks like crap.

[Kleptic]

oh ok...so demos are not limited to 150megs?...I was going to say, how exactly are XBL and the PSN getting identical demos for games like Paradise, when I know the PS3 demo is like 1.3gb...

[i Shank u]

haha! nice one calling out the club; whatta piece of crap!

MS, you suck! if you make this game subpar because of your retarded policy, a policy that allows us to download 1.2 gb The Club, 1.3 Gb Fall of liberty, and other 1.somthin worthless gigabytes, im gonna tear your tele-robo support guy Max a new one!

[titntin]

It's a shame that Live has such restrictive limits.
They were imposed to ensure that 20 gig drives aren't seen as prohibitively small.

[DraconWolfX]

Not only that but they were capped to fit onto a memory card as well. They were originally 50mb cap when there was only a 64mb card. Now that there is 256mb games are 150mb.

[SCThor]

drop the XBLA version and go PSN exclusive.

[Sayai jin]

SCoThor,

Thats only a solution if you do not want make a lot of money and since he is a developer then he is in the business to do just that, make money. XBL has over 10 million users.

I see XBL increasing the size limit.

[i Shank u]

agreed. they upped the size limit for Castelvania, a high profile japanese addition; why stop there?

[Yi-Long]

As someone else mentioned, demos are free, but have no restricitions.

For these games you PAY MONEY, but they arent allowed to be as good as possible, due to the idiotic size limit. :(

Not sure if this game will be as good as I hope it will be (some sprites (Guile, Cammy) and the Vegas background looked pretty 'meh' to just downright 'BLAH!'.
Udon is underachieving, cause I know they have some great artists, but they're really skimping on the quality on some of the sprites and bland backgrounds :(

So not sure if I'll buy it, but if I do, I will buy the version that's best, and if that's the PS3 version, than it's Microsoft's own damn fault.

[Yi-Long]

The genesis/Megadrice controllers was perfect for fighters like Sf2 and Eternal Champions etc. Just a tad too small and light though. But button lay-out and d-pas wise, it was extremely good.

[Lew_Ijgee]

demos count as advertisments. People will spend more money at a later time to buy the full version of that demo. Also since they are free, it really no big deal for people to delete them when finished playing them, unlike arcade games which (should) take longer to complete.

[ceedubya9]

If they did, then they should surely make an exception for this title. It would most surely be one of the highest sellers on Live Arcade, and the last thing they need to do is gimp the game and hurt sales, especially when the PS3 has (arguably) the best controller for fighting games.

[Skerj]

I wish I could get an adapter to use my Saturn controller for fighting games on other systems, that and the 6 button Ascii pad for Dreamcast were the best controllers I've ever used for fighting games especially those from Capcom.

[RecSpec]

The 6-button pad on the Genesis was perfect for Street Fighter. Better than trying to use the shoulder buttons on the SNES version. The Saturn pad evolved from that one if I'm not mistaken.

[Skerj]

Yeah it did, they had a fat one at first then it got thinner and more ergonomic which was the best pad for fighters ever!! Then the 3D controller came out with Nights and that evolved into the Dreamcast controller. Having all 3 punches and kicks on the face helps a hell of a lot. I've grown used to the PS controllers for fighting games though which started with my hardcore love for Rival Schools.

[Marceles]

I didn't mind the SNES controller...I always just set the mediums to the shoulder buttons, and I mostly only use medium kick to string a 3 hit combo or to cross up, but I never use it for a special move. I do agree that the Saturn controller was really nice though

[v1c1ous]

1) maintaining the 150 MB limit because that's derivative of the core gamers.

pisses off a lot of fans

2) Raises the MB limit like they had to for castlevania: symphony of the night.

gets some praise from fans

3) announces price drop on HDD, offers cheaper HDD alternative for core, or brings out a miniscule 10 gig HDD standard on cores from now on.

highly unlikely, but we can dream can't we?

[craymoogy]

10gb? the damn system takes up like 3-4 gb, which means you only have like 6+ gb. I guess you can have 6 games on it then get a new gb.

[i Shank u]

wrong. my 20 GB drive gives me 13GB of available storage. its pissed me off since i got it, false advertising if you ask me.

vicious : lovethe idea about the 10 gb. even bigger of a change then HDMI, that would force them to backpedal and change their whole stance on the arcade. good idea but highly unlikely like you said, though only because they are (imo) a pretty dumb company decision-wise.

[thereapersson]

They definitely give developers enough space to do with what they please.

I wish that Capcom would release one of the Alpha games on next gen systems...

[RecSpec]

I'm pretty sure they are releasing Alpha to the PS3 sometime soon.

[zonetrooper5]

I think they should up the limit to either 256mb or 512mb at least and either scrap the Core/Arcade and leave the Premium and Elite or they could give the Core/Arcade a 8GB hard drive as standard, up the Premium hard drive to 60GB. Lower the price of the hard drives by $25 and that should be it. Doubt it though, we can wish.

[titntin]

I guess for those of us with both these consoles, the choice of which one to buy for is easy, even without this potential issue!
The 360 controller has plenty going for it, but its 'D pad' for fighting games is not one of those attributes!

[Arutha]

The size limit of the game does not concern me at all. I could care less about the remixed music. Hell they should make it a separate download.

You are right about the Dpad though. The 360 version sucks and will probably make me get the PS3 version instead. My only problem is most of my friends only have a 360 so if I want to play them I need the 360 version... DOH!

[i Shank u]

man. you know what i was doing the other day? read about how to fix the dpa online, and i was using sandpaper to grind down the plastic ring underneath the dpad lol. i didnt have the right sandpaper and didnt feel like going to the store, so i gave up for now. ill have a ps3 someday anyways. man its freaking b,s, they cant make a good dpad! how hard is it to copy what sony does? heck, they coulda just ripped off old NES controller dpads and it would of been better! for shame M.S. :(

Arutha: you bring up a good point. they could make it a seperate free DLC. I have Worms, and they gave sound banks as free DLC. sounds like it would work

[Keowrath]

LOL! If this is causing that much problem, why not just scrap the original soundtrack and the original game to save space?

I'm sure by now everyone and their dog has SFII in some shape or form on another console and if you haven't, I doubt you'll be buying this.

Just cut all the old crap, and trim the new stuff. It's a shame that any version would end up being a lesser version but if all you're missing out is what has already come before then I don't see a major issue.

[RecSpec]

You can't play those old versions online though, that's the problem. Street fighter purists who want to play online would want their heads if they cut the old stuff. The extremely hardcore SFII crowd is probably still out there in some form or another, and they would play original or nothing.

[Keowrath]

I'd consider myself a hardcore Streetfighter fan having been a fan of the series since the original arcade machine with the thump pads (many moons ago now =p) and playing all through 2, zero and 3 for MANY years. I still play it now. Arcades, Consoles and Competitions.

That being said, I own enough different versions of the game to last any SF fan a long time to come.

I appreciate what you're saying about the game being online but even though I'm getting the PS3 verion (don't own a 360) I'm getting it to play the HD version. I very much doubt that the original version of the game will even get a use from me. Sadly if purists will only play the original version, they're kinda cutting their own noses off to spite their faces. The game is SF HD, if they don't want the newer version, they shouldn't even bother downloading it.

Streetfighter 2 is still to me the Daddy of fighting games but I've been playing it for over 15 years. I think it's time to move away from the old version though. Who knows, HD might suck but I'd personally prefer the new version than the old.

[Neurotoxin]

The Time has come for a developer to have the Balls and say "This Game Requires a Hard-Drive", for the benefit of all Xbox Owners who had a bit of sense and went for the Hard-Drive included models.

Obviously it will be a bit of a two fingered salute to the Arcade/Core Owners, but eventually will benefit Xbox Gamers as Dev`s won`t have to worry about not having a hard-drive.

[RecSpec]

I figured that GTA4 would have been that game, but guess not. Soon, that will probably happen though, especially if devs start using PS3 as the main platform for multiplatform titles. People could just add a HD to the Arcade right? They can do it with the Core version.

[Kleptic]

yeah agreed...I really didn't see GTAIV coming without a "HDD required" stamp on the box...but apparently they got to work without it...

but how many discs?...and how big is the city, and is it seamless?...It will be fine in the end, but you have to wonder how much of MS's being stubborn with the core/arcade sku issue took away from the overall game...or at least what it prevented...

[bigjclassic]

like myself (own all Capcom/SNK fighters)

We want the BEST version of any SF game and a gimped version is a pass in my book. Thank godness I have a PSN account.

[bigjclassic]

you are correct.

The fact is all older SF fans should be very grateful that Capcom even brought back SF to begin with. Now we got our game and can stop playing crappy fighters (DoA, GGXX, etc.)

[Lord_Ash]

I kinda like this guy, he talks without looking back.

Anyway they could get an exception or they would just have to cut some parts out to fit the live size. I'll be getting it for the PS3 so no worries for me, I like the PS joystick better.

[Doctor Strange]

The size limit does suck. Hopefully they can quickly work around this because I want this game already. Worst case scenario they should release it on the PSN first and work out the problems for Live Arcade.

[I Call 9MM]

Hopefully Microsoft allows Capcom to raise the limit on the size of this game. I mean, really now, 150 megs? That is definately not a lot of room to work with for such a game. And come to think of it, I'm sure other Arcade games have been larger. I'm pretty sure Marathon is in the 200 MB range. I say let them make the game whatever size they want. Microsoft shouldn't have made a special 256 MB card (that cannot be bought separately) for the Arcade SKU, they should have at least included the 512 MB card instead (In my opinion, they should have ditched none hard drive 360s but that is another matter). I hope this does not effect other upcoming games like Bionic Commando: Reloaded.

The developer and publisher should have final say in their download size. They know how many Core and Arcade SKUs are out there, they know the hard drive sales, so it will be their "loss" if those customers miss out (how many people even have Live without a hard drive?).

[ThaGeNeCySt]

that sucks

[THE_JUDGE]

and they should be more forth coming about stuff like this. The remake of this game has been in development for how long now? At least put on the one for the PSN!

[riksweeney]

Losing the remixed music might not be a great loss. Hyper Street Fighter II's remixed music is pretty awful, I prefer the original mixes.

Still, they shouldn't be limiting the size of the arcade games.

[DarkSniper]

XBOX 360 has hindered the devlopment of several pending titles for the past 2 years. Street Fighter being another. It does not surprise Dark Sniper that a great nostalgic experience cannot be replayed due to the inferior hardware structure of XBOX 360.

XBOX Live Arcade was Microsoft's intention of bringing new, refreshing titles combined with the beauty and glorified 2D games of the 90's in an online portal for all to enjoy. Once again, Microsoft delivers the execution in a piss poor fashion.

Thankfully, Playstation Network gives developers such as Capcom a chance to enhance their own creative minds in a rich, immersive online infastructure that will undeniably pave the way for the future of gaming. This gives Dark Sniper such delight to express that gamers do have a choice for their complete gaming experience. This is PLAYSTATION® 3.

Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo: High Definition Remix will become a PLAYSTATION® Network exclusive due to Microsoft's own incompetance.

$niper

[SSCOOLCHEA]

You the man , crack me up every post .we need to go on our ps3 and smoke a blunt ...hit me up psn sscoolchea

[The L3gend]

Call a medic..someone has just been sniped!...lol

[SlappyMcTaint]

So why don't they pull a Halo and make the "HD" graphics all 540p, then the PSN graphics can be 720p minimum, or 1080p.

Micro$oft for the win. 0.o

[WilliamRLBaker]

The only and single problem is...Music fitting in remixed music and the original music is a problem....Im sure if microsoft really wants they could increase the size for this title a lil more for the music...or capcom could remove the all ways crappy remixed music they include in remakes....

[Jamaicangmr]

If Microsoft should do that for this title then they will have to do it for every other developer that runs into simular issues. They should just forget the stupid limits all together.

[Kyur4ThePain]

I'm not sure MS would be too eager to impose those limits on the developer (removing the music) as it would then become clear that the 360 is limiting the game.
This means the developer would either have to have 2 version of the game (for each console) or they would have to remove something from the PS3 version because of issues with the 360.

I think they'll probably raise the size limit (either for this game, or in general).

[Saint Sony]

I prefer quality instead of ripped versions.

[Leo Atrox]

Has he spoken with MS about getting a waiver to the limit? They granted one to Konami for "Castlevania"; why not "Super Street Fighter II: Turbo: HD Remix"?

[Bullseye]

MS made a fundamental mistake by not including a HDD as standard on all models.Secondly, users who bought core system also made the same fundamental mistake by thinking a HDD wasn't needed. Solution? remove limit, let users with core choose if they want the game, and if so, buy an HDD.

[DJ]

We can download demos that are up to 1.7 Gigabytes (The Club demo), but can't download games that are more than 150 Megabytes on Xbox Live? Wow, I'm starting to like PSN more and more.

Limiting developers with a disc drive is one thing, but with a hard drive?? Come on.

[ygxbrayzie]

they should release the game on a disc and the problem is solve...

[Keowrath]

I agree'd with you as I'm one of the ones that would buy it. However. I think for a lot of people ANOTHER SFII game is too much. It's not so bad as a small game for the console networks but I think people would be loathe to fork out the extra cash that the disc, box and manual would cost. We are talking about Cap *CHA-CHING $$$* Com here and the price of the game would rise substantially I expect.

[Clinton514]

The point of them creating the title was so that it can be easily accessible via digital download. MS needs to let go of the ridiculous restrictions.

[Keowrath]

As Arutha at 8.1 said, would it be possible to release the game as 2 downloads under 150meg? Have the HD game as the main download and the original soundtrack and game as a kind of DLC.

Works for other games (I.E PAIN and the additional characters on PS3) I'm not massively educated on Xbox live but I'd imagine it was similar no?

[ygxbrayzie]

I'd rather have the game physically then virtually
And its nice to add up to my capcom collection games :)
It would look nice beside my capcom fighting games lol

[heyheyhey]

i read about this in a magazine

they say that the PSN version will have more frames of animation, characters and so on

[TheDarkHado]

Someone correct me if im wrong,but arnt 360 memory units like 40 bucks or so when not included and their only 256. What the hell is that? You can buy a 2 Gig SD card for 40 bucks for the Wii.

[etownone]

yeah.. makes no sense.

M$ are holding back on price cuts on everything, and it already caused them to drop to second, and eventually drop to third.

[JasonX43]

I'll be playing this on my PS3!

[Salvadore]

Demo are not restricted to 256mb, but yet they are available for download.

[etownone]

how is it that hard drives for 360 are still retailing for $99??

that price should have been dropped long time ago, to allow everyone to get a hard drive.... start selling it for like $39 and the 120 hard drive for $120.

[CaliGamer]

The Burnout Paradise issue now this? I wonder if MS thought more than 2 weeks into the future before implementing anything in the 360.
As a consumer I would upset if I were a 360 owner regardless of my bias toward MS. I am sure some put on a brave face on N4G but at home are upset and worried at what this current batch of news means for the future.

[Enigma_2099]

... You mean people actually still CARE about this game? Who HASN'T played SSFII Turbo?!?!?

[Neo604]

MS just want so suck as much money as possible from their customer. PS3 is all about quality service

[HarryEtTubMan]

I just cancelled my XBL account 2 days ago.

I will get this on PSN. It will go nice with Playstation Home and my XMB coming ; )