Codemasters unashamedly lying to its fans; claims they're getting everything possible from consoles

DSOGaming writes: "Moody concluded that Codemasters is now incredibly familiar with the current hardware and have reached the point that they’re getting ‘EVERYTHING possible from it.’ And this is precisely why we – kind of – hate all those PR crap. No Moody, you are not getting everything possible from consoles if you’re forced to cut a feature in order to save some memory and graphical resources. This is a console limitation and nothing more. And that’s precisely why Codemasters is lying to its fans, in one of the worst attempts at damage control... ever."

[decrypt]

Lol codemasters if there are so many hardware limitations on consoles that rendering a cockpit would cause you to lower the graphics setting, i say go ahead. Console gamers dont care about graphics.

Leave the hi res textures on the PC version though, no reason why that should be compromised.

Also you dont need to be defending 6 year old hardware all the time by making claims like "we are using 100% of so and so hardware", at this point everyone knows consoles are old tech, no need to keep defending the obvious u will only fool the hardcore fanboys thats about it.

@erudito87

"wow codemasters sucks as console development nuff said"

Naa they dont, its just that console hardware is old. Sonys own GT5 has low resolution cars, hell the surroundings on GT5 are static and look blurry. Thats a game that had been 5 years in development. Just proves consoles dont have the juice. If the can make the PC version look so good even on 4-5 year old hardware like a 8800GTX, if consoles had the balls no reason they could do the same on consoles.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

they are not even getting everything out of pc's so of course they are lying since they are showing the pc version that looks like a high res console version. Project cars blows it out the water.

[edgeofsins]

GT5 had low resolution cars because they ported them from PS2. The newly added and updated models were very highly detailed. The reason they didn't update all the PS2 ported vehicles is because it would take too much time to do all 800 and GT5 would have been released a lot later.

[chukamachine]

Although i agree some of GT5'S older cars and environments are poor.

Lighting wise, GT5 destroys all other games with it's dynamic day/night cycle. The best looking cockpits and high quality shaders while running @ 60fps 1280x1080 rez with x4aa.

If i were making it. Would have been 1280x720 with x2 aa and used rest of power for environments.

grid,dirt run at 30fps on console.

[ATi_Elite]

"Console gamers dont care about graphics."

Then why do I always hear consolers bragging about how the Uncharted series looks?

Then why are SO MANY consolers eager for new consoles?

Consolers care about graphics just as much as any Enthusiast PC Gamer it's just that Consolers prefer Console Gaming.

.....anyway Codemasters are so under achieving and Lame. They are a JOKE on the PC and they haven't completely won over consolers either.

I think they need to take a break from the various racers they make and focus on a large scale epic project.

[MysticStrummer]

Some console gamers care too much about graphics, just like some PC gamers do. I'm not one of them, and I'm not eager for a new console generation either. Online though, you see way more PC gamers throwing out resolution and other tech numbers than you do console gamers. I'd rather see advances in other areas next gen, such as AI, than to have a leap in graphics.

Only time will tell if Codemasters is lying to console fans or getting ready to piss off PC fans by underperforming on their platform. I'm guessing the latter will be true.

[JellyJelly]

"How about – Codies - you use low-resolution textures for the environmental detail of GRID 2 (when the cockpit view is chosen) and some more aggressive LOD settings on consoles?"

How about please don't. That sounds like an awful solution imo. As stated only 5% of the players use the in-car view. Grid isn't a simulator like GT or Forza, and if they can up the visuals by having a bonnet view instead of a cockpit view I'm all for it.

Saying they are "lazy devs" is just stupid. Dirt 3 is still one of the best looking racing games out there and it offers a cockpit view to boot. If Grid 2 can look even better it will be a graphical milestone for this gen of consoles. Still, I agree that they should put a cockpit view in the PC version. No reason not to in that case.

[edgeofsins]

I just prefer the cockpit. I don't use it just because it is more realistic.

[SnakeCQC]

wow codemasters sucks as console development nuff said

[ginganinja]

Eh? If they're reaching the consoles' limitations then surely they're getting everything possible from them.

They might be using the resources in ways that you, personally, don't appreciate but that doesn't mean they're lying.

[PiccoloGR]

How about using low-res textures for the environments when the cockpit view is chosed and switching back to high-res when another view is chosen? If they were so familiar with the hardware (meaning they could optimize the game as much as possible), that would be the obvious thing to do as you don't see the environment as much - in order to notice the lower resolution textures - when using the cockpit view

[Ingram]

Good idea, but the RAM needed to change such assets "on the fly" (without a noticeable load "pop")far exceeds console capabilities, independently of knowing the hardware in and out.

There are lots of performance tricks based on bandwidth offload when it comes to consoles, but regarding that particular solution you describe, there's no way around it without severely capping a real time experience.

[matgrowcott]

Game development IS always about trade offs, we've heard it time and time before. It's why Uncharted is so linear, it's why a game by Bethesda will never be glitch free. It's not (always) down to lazy development, but because a game has to adhere to the restrictions at the time. Even on PC you can't presume everybody has the highest-end systems and that everybody upgrades all of the time. That's part of the reason why games are only now ditching XP as a compatible system.

[killswitchmad]

I stil don't get the utter hate towards Codies for lack of cockpit view, I love cockpit view but games still don't come with them as standard and frankly unless your five years old then you'll be perfectly used to playing without it......

A cockpit view does take up an awful lot of resources, you have to model one for each and every car and it eats the CPU and RAM....why not put that saving into something that benefits the game on a gameplay level rather than an eye candy one?

[dirthurts]

I love Codemasters, and they do great work ( on both pc and consoles), but I will sorely miss the cockpit view.
I'm really not sure I can play a racing game without it at this point.

[InTheLab]

If you use a wheel, no cockpit view= no buy. How many good devs sacrifice gameplay for graphics these days?

[yewles1]

"PCs have unlimited resources that developers can take advantage of"

STOP SAYING THAT!!!!

If a PC had "unlimited resources" then there WOULDN'T be new components coming out constantly.

That sentence makes it sound like an un-altered 1995 IBM Aptiva can run Grid 2, it's ridiculous!

These "journalist" really need to use better wording to describe the advantages of modern PC's, they're looking amaturish here.