Surfer Girl: Disaster: You Guerrillas Have Created a Drainzone

Surfer Girl states that the development cost of Killzone 2 has doubled to €42 million/$60 million because Guerrilla's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills.

[scrillakiller]

i have to say is show me the money guirella.im stoked for killzone but we havent seen it since e3.give me something to get excited over again.resistance 2 has got my eye bigtime now.it would be great to see new killzone 2 so show it or blow it!!!!!!!

[riqued]

"In far less time and with less people, Insomniac have a far better title that is further along in development."

Since the news from R2, I gave up from KZ2...
Guerrilla never made a GREAT game and Insomniac releases one EVERY year!

So I will pre-order R2, but for KZ2 I will have to wait for reviews.

[CeruleanSky]

"Guerrilla never made a GREAT game"

Give it a rest.

If the original Killzone had been on the Xbox and had the same massive marketing budget it would have been a 9.5/10 game.

Killzone is a GREAT game.
Killzone Liberation is a GREAT game.

The fact that Killzone 2 is seen as a competitor to Halo and the most obvious example of the gigantic graphical power advantage the PS3 over the 360 means the game and company has an unprecedented amount of hate and rage directed towards both the company and its games.

Killzone 2 will be unlike anything anyone has ever played before running on an engine the likes of which have never been seen before in a game. If the damn Halo franchise wasn't around we wouldn't even be wasting our time with these speculations and inane ramblings from the media.

Both Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 are going to be part of what will certainly be the single greatest lineup for a console ever.

[Violater]

A CG target render in 2005 then my socks (which by the way I still cannot find) were blown off in 2007.
What people fail to understand is that R&D from Guerrilla goes towards helping out other first party titles.
Have no fear I don't think we will be let down.

[CeruleanSky]

Articles, rumors, etc. like the latest garbage are a perfect example of how the media decides on a story and the goes about trying to warp reality to fit their story.

A first person shooter...
On a Playstation console...
A console that isn't 'the first person shooter' console...
That everyone used as an example of Sony lying about graphics...
And then the game is demoed realtime matching what was claimed wouldn't be possible till the PS4...

The game HAS to suck. It simply isn't right that after all of that that Killzone 2 is an amazing game. It's just not fair.

If you thought the hate for Sony and the PS3 from the media was strong the past year, just wait for what the gaming media will try to do to this game.

Killzone 2 will be trashed without mercy and savaged in reviews.

It simply HAS TO BE.

[LightningPS3]

Sony or Guerrilla. I wonder what they think about having their development being spied on.

[GIJeff]

"surfer girl" is a game tester. Who has lots of other game tester friends. The sad thing is, there are bad and/or untrue rumors on the inside of companies too. :\

[CeruleanSky]

"So I will pre-order R2, but for KZ2 I will have to wait for reviews."

Resistance 2 will be the excuse reviewers use to be able to trash Killzone 2.

They will be able to claim 'I'm not biased! I gave Resistance 2 a good score' when they rip into Killzone 2.

You don't have to wait for Killzone 2 reviews from sites like 1Up. You can write them yourselves:

Killzone 2 Doesn't Live Up To The Sony Hype

Sure it has 'pretty' graphics but that doesn't make Killzone 2 a good game...blah,blah,blah...

The are reviewers out there whose high point of this console generation will be how well they savage Killzone 2 in their review.

[Cryxen]

Geurilla are trying to prevent massive overhype by keeping quiet on the games major features but retards keep hyping it up anyway, saying the game won't be great. You're a bonifide moron if you do.

[SRuN4]

Guerrilla has never made a good game? As far as I know they've only ever made 3; KZ, Shellshock and KZ Liberation. And KZ was originally a PC game that was ported to the PS2, which was their first ever PS2 game. On the other hand Insomniac has made 10+ titles and already have a working PS3 engine they only have to optimize now.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Shelshock was great (play it, you don't even need a Crysis-running PC) and Killzone Liberation too (just search for reviews!). Killzone was OK for me, has many great points, but fail on some basic features... It even made it to have some solid fanbase! So how the hell Guerrilla never made a great game?

[ravenguard88]

Sorry dude, but I played Xbox games based on the Killzone engine and they were all complete crap. Amazingly low standards compared to the norm in the shooter genre on Xbox at the time. I felt the same way about SOCOM, it feeled like a a dumbed down mix between Ghost Recon and Conflict: Desert Storm, and playing it online was terrible compared to Ghost Recon.

The PS2 never really had any good shooters at all... except the Tom Clancy games that were on Xbox with more features and better graphics.

[Relcom]

That kinda scares me. I'm gonna buy it but i'd love to see at least some screens from a new level.

[riqued]

I would like to see a daylight level... Their lightning engine is pretty good on dark, but would be very hard to keep the same amount of photorealism on a sunny day.

And since the helghast are capable of controlling the weather I don't think thats going to happen. Convenient...

[SUP3R]

Agreed.

I fear Killzone might not live up to the hype.
Great graphics with sub-par gameplay.
I'm still going back and forth about it, but when it's finally released we'll all know if it was all worth it or not.

[sonarus]

i have never stood out to defend killzone before but just because of what surfer girl says i will have to. Killzone 2 will surpass resistance 2 in terms of graphics and gameplay. Level design and weapons will probably go to insomniac but in terms of pure visuals and gameplay killzone 2 will come out on top. Very bold statements by surfer girl but what i have seen is enough...At this point guerilla would have to be retarded to screw up killzone's gameplay. Excellent cover system the killer animations to the crazy graphics and lighting. Resistance 2 will however rape killzone on the online element 8 player coop and 60 player matches can't be touched.

[Clinton514]

Like every other random and vague surfer boy "predictions", this one seems just as baseless. One would have to be very high up the chain of command to quote such digits with accuracy.

Even more far fetched is the "resentment" by Insomniac. Looks like Surfer dude is riding the wave of internet fads. No pun intended.

ps. It's obvious Sony and Guerrilla won't comment on such things but it'll be interesting to see Insomniac lash out against their names being used falsely. ;)

[Genki]

I don't believe it personally. Let's get everyone thinking that internal relations are deteriorating! Sure.

Insomniac would have no reason to be disgruntled...they're NOT first party. Secondly, they're making TONS of money. Nice try, but this is why common sense prevail.

[DrPirate]

Hello. I come to save the day with my insider sources.

Alrighty. First of all, the guy who said this, ISN'T surfer girl. There's a snitch inside Insomniac games. This is the same snitch who gave her the alpha screen shot, and the same snitch that tells her of all Sony's internal rumblings.

This general "resentment" is just pure BS, Insomniac doesn't hate Guerrilla games, they don't hate anyone. And since I have a cousin there (At Guerrila), I know what they'll be showing at GDC, the graphics are nice, the environment is new and varied, they don't have a high turnover rate, and most of the stuff said in there is pretty baseless.

[Clinton514]

The way it was written on the site it's hard to tell if it was a quote or "her" writing it.

Either way like I mentioned, I find it hard to believe anyone at Insomniac has beef with any other developer. They all seem like a cool bunch of people.

[Sevir04]

insomniac gives credit and thanks to guerrilla games for their input, especially with the release of games like Ratchet FTOD... baseless indeed because everyone who works for first party and second party devs for Sony shares back and forward with tidbits on developing... which is why this here holds no water..

secondly as genki has stated their would be no beef with GG and Insomniac because insomniac isn't first party they have no ties or binding contract with Sony or any of them. what they ahve is a great relation, and you can see that with insomniac on their . where it list sucker punch and guerrilla and naughtydog evolution and all the other studios that develop for Sony. with this being said i call total BS on this. it's way too unsound and idiotic.

why

Insomniac has been nominated as one of the best companies to work for for 4 consecutive years. if having beef with another company that they give tips and shares how to's with and relate so closely with was apart of their resume, i dont think they would have had a 4 year streak in having one of the best places to work yearly in the top 5 so many times...

BS BS BS... surfer girl or who ever pieced this unsound thing against my fav company of the next gen and the upcoming ones, grow the hell up.

[pwnsause]

bubbles up for Dr. Pirate.

[colony]

^^,

[Ri0tSquad]

Credibility

DrPirate >>>>>>>&g t;>>Surfer girl

Bubbles for you pirate.

[DrPirate]

http://forums.n4g.com/m_644...

Comon, it's not that big of a deal, I've known it for a long, long time.

Thanks for the props, right back at each one of you.

[Odion]

this sounds like to much of a fanboys wet-dream to be true (xbox people like me). But on the other hand shane on 1up did describe something like this.

[CaliGamer]

That is sad and disturbing that you would come on a PS3 post and write something like this, on the other hand, I applaud your candor though misguided you are.

Never take pleasure in the misery of others, lest you be the one suffering the misery in the future.

[Odion]

I am pretty sure I denounced this as prob untrue, but I can see how your overuse of giant words could confuse you

[ravenguard88]

What misery? What giant words?

What are you guys smoking?

[Jason 360_Niglet]

Wow... doesn't sound good.

[permutated]

Agreed. Whether people realize it or not this is bad news for the game, the lack of funs or the possiblity of running out of funds means that they MIGHT have to cut corners.

Anyhow, I hope the game turns out well. I didn't like the original Killzone, thought it was garbage, but the PSP game was fun.

[SUP3R]

Liberation is an excellent game.
The replayability is so high and just as first the first and fifteenth time around.
I hope Killzone2 can match or surpass Liberation, otherwise Guerilla can continue making more Killzone PSP titles. I won't have a problem with that at all.

[Asuka]

this is just to scare people into thinking that the game will not be good, thus causing GG to release new KZ info to counter everyone's opinion.

Actually, its a nice strategy to use on a media stand point, but this also leads me to believe that surfer girl has no idea what he/she is talking about(which in most cases is probably true.)

In all fairness, i will approve this, but lets not take this as fact, for he/she does not have any hard evidence to support such claims.

[Ko_Uraki]

But maybe the game will be really good...

[eagle21]

please don't fall for it...

[Asuka]

agree 100%

[Asuka]

KILLZONE 2 FTW!!!!!!!!

I love Killzone personally, i'll be playing this nonstop along with Resistance 2

[meepmoopmeep]

i just hope the dev team are perfectionists or something because that ain't no small chunk of change... i have a feeling a lot of people will be canned if this game... well... cans

[The BS Police]

But I do think Killzone 2 will at least be better than the original.

[ravenguard88]

They'd have to screw up pretty bad to miss that mark :P

[Fr0ZzZeN]

I'm thinking this game will be another huge waste, graphics aside what does it have? I dont know about you but I will definately be getting bored after 2 hours of fighting through dark cities. Resistance 2 looks so much better.

[Shankle]

"graphics aside, what does it have?"
Well it's got physics, which is nice. Plus the enemies are awesome. Like sci-fi nazis from hell, but cool instead of slightly dorky.
Destructible environments a la Black

You've only seen a few minutes of video, and all of it was mindblowing. They've been very secretive about information. How can you ask "what does it have"? Please explain why it's a bad thing for it to have spectacular graphics.

[Shankle]

"graphics aside, what does it have?"
Well it's got physics, which is nice. Plus the enemies are awesome. Like sci-fi nazis from hell, but cool instead of slightly dorky.
Destructible environments a la Black

You've only seen a few minutes of video, and all of it was mindblowing. They've been very secretive about information. How can you ask "what does it have"? Please explain why it's a bad thing for it to have spectacular graphics.

[ravenguard88]

I didn't think any part of any KZ2 trailer was "spectacular". It had a few moments where the depth-of-field effect was really cool, and sure, the original CG trailer had a "neat-o" effect until you find out it's fake...

It looks pretty decent, but so does COD4. COD4 is nowhere near a technical achievement when it comes to graphics, it's boring and bland, and everything is one grey-brown washy colour. It doesn't look bad by any means, but keep in mind it was built to hit 60fps on console hardware... The fact that I get 90fps on my PC at twice the resolution of a console, with more visual effects and better textures simply tells me this game is not meant to push hardware the way games like Crysis did.

[bootsielon]

Then why is Sony not doing anything? This sounds too bad to be true. How is it that Sony suddenly lets a studio work independently without their supervision and command? Or maybe they're doing too many experiments with technology that it seems that resources are being wasted when they aren't...

[rawg]

Although I can believe that that a company can spend $60M on a video game, I really doubt that Sony (or whoever is financing Guerilla) would stand idly by if things were aa big a clusterf*ck as surfer girl implies. Any company spending that much money would be parachuting in their best managerial and development commandos at any sign their investment was at risk.

[InYourMom]

My #1 most wanted game this year. The video's they showed off were nothing short of stunning. They have a lot riding on this game and I'm glad they are taking their time, but if it goes beyond 08 I'm afraid it will fizzle before it even has a chance to shine.

I kind of know what to expect in RFOM2 and I just thought RFOM didn't look very good. It was a decent FPS, but nothing but average. I'm a graphics wh*re and KZ2 looks to scratch that itch. I'm sure RFOM2 will be a good game, but they need to greatly improve the graphics to get my attention and I'm hoping they do.

[heyheyhey]

maybe time to change your avatar?

cause that post completely contradicted what the avatar represents

i think its nice that i can have mature discussions with you now- this new update is amazing, it worked beautifully

[InYourMom]

I agree. Actually, I'm thinking about losing this whole account or changing the name or something. I don't think it fit's into the way this site is going.. Which I love BTW!

[TwissT]

Wow InYourMom that was acctually a non-biased remark, its good to see you talking in an orderly fasion, wow this new site update is really doing wonders.

[JBaby343]

I've never heard such an unbiased comment from him. That was actually level-headed with non-fanatical opinions (nothing wrong with having an opinion) espressing his take on the games. I'm impressed. Hopefully this is the future of this site.

[heyheyhey]

well for that kind of money the graphics had better match up to the initial trailer

anyways i still think that KZ2 will be an excellent title- no matter what this surfer character says

its a first day buy for me

[joemomma]

^nuff said.

[Iron Man 2]

Your my favorite Zhuk,Evil Zhuk lol yeah screw Surfer Girl(or guy?)and her BS predictions/thoughs;)

[Rice]

i wonder if Surfer girl is hot?

[Iamback]

I think it is man, no way it is a "girl". Maybe in his transvestite head, but nah no way it is girl. Girls don't waste time on such stuff.

[Rice]

i would throw my ps3 off my balcony if surfer girl was Jessica Alba.

[darkshiz]

I'm sorry to disappoint you man.
Jessica Alba is pregnant. :( guys worst nightmare.

[Rice]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jkz, lol...
That is one lucky guy, that should have been me... ;)

[leon76]

Well said man!!!

[BLuKhaos]

Why do I get the feeling that surfer girl is actually an obese fat chic with acne that smells like "Cheeto's" and lives with 28 cats because she has no friends?

[lockload]

As long as they improve the AI il be happy the demo from E3 didnt give any confidence in this area but im presuming they hadnt put the AI in yet as the enemies just stood there..

[HarryEtTubMan]

LAUGH OUT LOUD... maybe because that was a pre alpha version almost 2 years beofre it will even be released.

SAY WHAT YOU THINK... But Killzone 2 is gonna speak for itself when it arrives. They won't screw it up. Who the F is Surfer Girl anyways, and what does she mean to Sony? This probably isn't true. I doubt she's at Amsterdam's Guerilla studios which has more than 200 people working on this game... I doubt "surfer girl" is aloud in and let known about the development process of Killzone 2.

We will wait and see. I bet they won't release Killzone 2 until it's PERFECT... even if it's in 2009.

This is a HUGEEEEEEEE project some of u guys are trying to underestimate and pretending they didn't learn from there mistakes from the first game. Killzone 2 is going to be HUGE.

[resistance100]

Thats great news, a budget that size can only mean good things.

Still anyway just because they are spending alot, doesn't mean the game will be bad, anyone who thinks that really has got to think to themselves.

[i_like_ff7]

lair had a huge budget.

[i_like_ff7]

lair had a huge budget.

[i_like_ff7]

lair had a huge budget.

[heyheyhey]

well actually...... halo 3

dont mean to sound fanboyish in the gamer zone, but seriously..... halo 3

its just my opinion- sorry if i offended any halo fans

[Relcom]

Triple post FTW!!! lol

Never seen a triple post before

[mintaro]

i am terribly sorry to be talking about this in the gamerzone but, halo 3 was a good title and i think that it's large budget only helped that

dont worry about it, not tryin to sound fanboyish

[resistance100]

While yes there are average games after huge budgets however, there are also plentey of great games aswell, look at the likes of uncharted and COD4 both had large budgets and sold and played great.

Also look at games like MGS4 + FF13 those games have massives budgets and you know they will be great

[SUP3R]

The good part with MGS4 and FFXIII is that they're keeping us updated with the development.
I'm still left in the dark with Killzone 2.
They need to bring something amazing to GDC or else this article will start sounding very believable.

[MvC Xtrm]

There's a difference between development costs and advertising costs. Personally, I have high hopes for KZ2. It's one of the better games I'm looking forward to. This game better be something pretty damn fantastic or else sh*t's going to hit the fan/fanboys.

[angel604]

as much as i want this game and knowing the amount of time ill probably be spending with the multiplayer, i hope this doesn't turn out to be the next daikatana(sp?) and be the laughing stock of the game industry

[CeruleanSky]

LOL! At the people taking this seriously...

The fear this game generates is hilarious!

[angel604]

double post again...i press add comment once and it does it automatically it seems..not trying to do it on purpose

[resistance100]

Whats the problem with this?

Im sorry, how on earth does this effect how good the game is.

[Peekay]

All she's basing her speculation on is a high turn over and "a few other things". How she gets this info - I have no idea. I think Sony have too much riding on this game to screw it up. Comparisons to Insomniac is pointless as Insomniac are now gaming developer gods. It's hard to compare to the best in the business. Two things could happen. 1. they give an absolute stunner that blows everyone away or 2. they don't.

Nothing in between really. I've never seen so much pressure on a developer than there is on Guerrilla at the moment.

[Lord Anubis]

in the immortal words of "Seb" the budget seems to double everytime someone mentions it.

[DEADEND]

Where the hell did this person get their information to state things like this about a studio, anyway I'm pretty sure we'll get some new information about the game at GDC along with information about R:FOM2.

[Iamback]

If Surfer Girl is wrong on this one her blog will be DEAD! I guess we wont have to wait to long, since i expect KZ2 to be shown at GDC in February.
There are some holes in that "article" but i will wait to see, wont judge it just yet, wont call it true or fake.

[kspraydad]

so anyone that can show that Surfer Girl gets more than 50% of what is said right. She doesn't and therefore is as accurate as anyone else here.

I truly wish these surfergirl posts would stop being approved...you are not going to get laid by approving these posts.

[EZCheez]

I could call myself "Wakeboarding Guy" and give factless information all while trying really hard to sound like I actually know what i'm talking about.

All the while all I would really be doing is reading N4G news and making unfounded guesses and horrible rumors.

[LightningPS3]

How does she know? Why does it suck? Has she gotten to play the game so she can give an impression.

That's some serious claims, I don't understand why gaming companies don't start investigating this source who apparently is a spy who knows companies deepest darknest secrets and telling all the internet.

[meepmoopmeep]

she's one of thos psychics... like Psycho Mantis

o_O

[SUP3R]

You should read her blog if you think the gaming companies don't know who she is.

[LightningPS3]

Then why should we?

If gaming companies really thought there was a spy revealing all their inner development secrets, you don't think they would take it serious?

I don't know, but we have to put an end to Surfer Girl.

[Genki]

He/she hasn't said anything that anyone else hasn't...or couldn't. Thing is, we get outrageous and far fetched stuff like this every so often. Think of Surfer Girl as the Howard Stern of the rumor mill....just not as entertaining.

[Rice]

i dun care what these people say, im still looking forward to this game, nothing will stop me from purchasing this. UNLESS this game got Lair like reviiews, than i might have second thoughts.

[meepmoopmeep]

KZ2 is high up on my "i'm getting it day 1" list but the budget is just ridiculous. i have faith in Guerrilla and I know that they've learned their mistakes of the past and will put all their effort in this sequel. I just hope it's ready for 2008.

[Iamback]

if Surfer Girl is wrong on this one her blog will be DEAD! I guess we wont have to wait to long, since i expect KZ2 to be shown at GDC in February.
There are some holes in that "article" but i will wait to see, wont judge it just yet, wont call it true or fake.

[mcgrawgamer]

Surfer girl is hit or miss, but she's more hit than miss most of the time. I really want killzone 2 to be successful. I don't think the 1st killzone was all that bad but it did have some problems. Namely the controls for me. Hope they have some good stuff for GDC

[CaliGamer]

Could be true, although I don't know about Surfer Girl's track record of being correct. I would wait and see what happens in the next few months before making any sort of assertion, I am sure that wont stop some tho.

[Elginer]

knew this game was going to be pretty but not much else. The studio has never delivered what could be considered a top down must have game. While the game will look amazing, I'm sorry but Insomniac is the real deal, those guys are a AAA studio and always deliver amazingly beautiful and deep games. Killzone 2 will be much like Killzone 1, a pretty game with nothing else.

[CaliGamer]

Speculation for sure, I would wait for official word or a more credible source. What is SG's track record on being right anyway?

[young7yang]

this is a shooter pure and simple and if they cannot get it right withing the time frames allowed then alot of gammers are going to be pissed off.. shenmue was an expensive game to make that was unltimatly never finished.. but it had a very intriging story and a lot of cool elements that kept people coming back for more..

but the question is ... can a simple shooter do the same at nearly double the cost of shenmue..

shooters are a dime a dozen with the exceptional few such as bioshock....killzone is simply a sequal to a failed franchise for the ps2.... and its taking way to long to come out....

it better be good and sell well or esle it will simply be another over budget shooter....

[darkside]

I call BS on this news. If any one agree, give me a bubble :)

[Vanqu1sh]

I think this news is true so I'm taking a bubble from u

[zambrota]

"Gamer ZOne is for members who want a more friendly and civilized discussion"

your flamebait comment is reported .This section is heavily moderated too

[mistertwoturbo]

one day surfer girl will be found dead after being murdered by companies execs tired of her rumors.

[MK_Red]

This is kinda worrying but hopefully both Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 will be awesome FPS games.

[heihoosilver]

because later this year i´m planning get a ps3 and i´m looking for RFOM2, Kill2. I like good fps. The two fps is what make me buy or not a ps3.

[xg-ei8ht]

From the game testers i know, kz2 and ms2 are shaping up nicely, and there are daylight levels:)

[CaliGamer]

Can you expand on that comment or are we just supposed to take your word for it?
I am really looking forward to seeing how this game turns out and I just hate when people half mention things and don't expand on what they truly know, or is it a hush hush sort of thing?

[Snukadaman]

Insomniac makes games quicker with less people and Guerrilla games has had more scrutiny with killzone 2 of late...lets see if it misses the september release date and remember this.

[BigBaehr]

I don't see how doubling the budget is bad thing. Its generally a good thing.

[INehalemEXI]

60 million is not that much money considering Ive heard movie budgets go as high as 250 million (Spiderman 3).

[CrazzyMan]

And then we will see.
Some games not for all.

[DeZimatoR]

So what if they know how to manage their team and it costs them more money? I mean, its Sony who's paying.

How in hell does this stuff affect their talent or abilities as devs?

And we are assuming this is all true, which may not be such a good idea, knowing the 'source' is Surfer 'Girl'

I think its a bit ridiculous to be praising Insomniac and bashing Guerrilla when both are making exclusive games for Sony, and when both games will be awesome and will be enjoyed by lots of ppl.

Looks like someone is just trying to get some easy hits on their site...

[BlackIceJoe]

I hope this news is not true. I really have been looking forward to this game. So I really hope every thing is going along great.

[Bathyj]

And Surfer girl would know right?
Whatever.

How would this random jerk with a blog posing as a young woman to get hits know anything? Surely their budget is not up for public scrutiny, and who cares anyway. Apocalypse Now was over budget too.

And why would Insomniac resent Guerrilla? Are Sony only giving out a dozen bananas and Guerrilla took 10 of them? Insomniac obviously have all the support from Sony they want and need.

This article has flame all over it, you can tell just by the tone of the writing.

[mccomber]

Someone please remind me, what has this blog told us in the past that gives it so much credit? I see a combination of the obvious posted as insider information, and way out predictions that we hardly ever see a follow up on. How many insane claims does this person have to their name that came true as predicted? Because right now (and pretty much every time I see this "news") the only thing certain is this is a blog that knows how to generate some easy traffic.

[Big Jim]

I'm looking forward to Killzone 2, don't get me wrong, but I can't understand why everbody went insane when they released those Killzone 2 videos. They didn't amaze me at all. Sure it looks good, but it really doesn't look THAT good. I don't think it looks as good as Uncharted. Honestly, close up the textures look downright bad. Am I wrong?

[INehalemEXI]

They already showed a sweet demo I believe what my eyes have seen.

[xplosneer]

If Insomniac is feeling resentment, and Guerrilla is having trouble, why not direct them to their R&D site?

[phalanges]

Is that translated from somewhere? If not, that's really bad grammar. What does Guerrilla's work have to do with Insomniac? Also, Insomniac doesn't seem like the company that would complain.

[xionpunk]

Hmmm... still lookin forward to KZ.

[Skater]

I don't understand why these rumors are even posted on this site.

Anyway, I don't think Guerrilla's silence on the game is a good thing, I don't and never have expected this game to be any good. Resistance 2 FTW!

[pwnsause]

i think its a good thing that they dont talk about the game for a while, cause if you keep showing the screenshots the hype is gone, what we saw last year was a pre-alpha build. we dont know what the game is going to look like yet, but we know graphically its going to be good.

[Skater]

I don't think so. Look at MGS4, they've confirmed that the game is coming in Q2 and you can find several trailers, screens, and info about it and MGO. KZ2 doesn't have a release date and there's only one trailer and a few screens. MGS4 is the most anticipated PS3 exclusive whereas KZ2 is the sequel to a flop. The game looks gorgeous, I agree with that but we hardly know a thing about this game, I mean, at least they could show more character dialogue and such in some trailers? Let's hope there's more on this game at GDC next month.

[KozmoOchez]

All I have to say is look at Final Fantasy...they do this every time they release a game, keep details low, release a small teaser trailer every once in a while, and then unleash what potentially becomes a great game, depending on if you like that sort of thing. Even the demo of FFXII was different from what the release was, maybe done purposely just to let you try out the new battle system and to get feedback from it since that was the only thing I noticed was the same in the full game. PS Home isn't flaunting itself around and everyone can't wait for that. So I say, as long as they deliver a good game, I wouldn't mind not hearing a thing about it.

[DJ]

Guerrilla has become a leading engineer of game technology for Sony Worldwide Studios; just look at their Deferred Rendering Engine. Even games like Uncharted are already using Technology created by the Killzone team. It's also important to remember that a Lighting Technology company was hired to help Guerrilla tackle Deferred Rendering (which up to this point wasn't even feasible with anti-aliasing) and set up a second Forward Rendering engine.

They're also trying to achieve realtime radiosity, which is just insane. SPUs rock.

Also, I don't believe Surfer Girl. She's wrong half the time, and even posted Resistance 1 pictures and claimed they were from the alpha build of Resistance 2; we all know how that turned out.

[snoopgg]

Killzone 2 is gonna rock!!!! I loved the first one, even though it wasn't perfect. The battles seemed so big and epic. This time they have the cell to work with and are really creating something special. I for one will be getting this and Resistance 2. I am also holding out for Haze, for once the ps3 has some shooters to be proud of. The Ps2 lacked them. Can't wait for a new Timesplitters online.

[btkadams]

wow... 60 mil? thats so much money for a video game. how many games will they have to sell to make even? or is that how much games usually cost, somehow i dont believe they all cost like that.

[Doctor Strange]

I don't know about this one. Of course they are not going to release an unfinished game especially after everything have shown at E3.

I doubt Insomniac has any resentment but this is just a rumor, no fact as of right now.

[QuackPot]

GG just aren't as talented and as skilled as Insomniac and Naughty Dog or even Epic and Infinity Ward.

But with Sony's assistance they'll become a First Class developer.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll be lucky to get KZ2 by Xmas. There's just too much to do in the face of all the great FPS competition.

[Kain81]

around September for Killzone 2

[sephy 9 2 5]

we can expect "it plays like a movie" comments similar to some of the other 1st party exclusives. Hope its not short like those game though.

[hardcorehippiez]

im all for them spending big money on getting it right for other companies to use. innovation costs remember

[ar]

I think you should keep in mind that Guerrilla is working with a fairly untested rendering technique called deferred rendering/shading. This whole area is rather unexplored so they doesn't have much to go on here. They can't just open a book or google for universal solutions since there aren't any.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Kain81]

the Financial is controlled by Sony.
And I think that the Engine from Killzone2 will sell well too,
like the Unreal3 engine.

Edit: I heard two week ago that GG and Insomanic exchange there Knowledges and experiences

[Perkel]

look at resistance 2 it looks as killzone 2 i think isomniac learned from killzone 2 shading..

[Jesso2k]

They really do deliver. I don't understand the hype for a sequel to a game that was disappointing and rushed in the first place(killzone). Resistance will soon be the premier fps people associate the Sony brand too.

[Coffin87]

"because Guerrilla's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills."

rofl. you guys know this could as well MEAN anything as well as it could mean absolutely NOTHING.

[derseb]

when they sell a few million copies, the money is back again. it's not only about making profit with this single game, but about creating a game to improve the playstation brand!

[ravinash]

The only problem with this is they have taken such a long time about it that other games have come in and stolen their thunder.
In the time that they have been making KZ2, Insomniac has gotten R1 out the door and will likely have R2 out the door as well.

I won't take everything said in this article at face value as i am sure there have been some management issues that have caused the delays, maybe thats why Sony had to step in???
But management isn't something the programmer should be dealing with, so as long as they get it to work and they create an end product that people will enjoy, then it does not matter.
Sony don't need this title like it used too, so hopefully they can just make a good game and focus on that.

[rootEXT]

I hope Sony will be generous and make LAIR 2?

Please!!!!

[ScottEFresh]

Suerfer Guy is a Dbag!!! LOL saying this game is "mediocre, past the point of no return" ...based on what...when this douche played the game? Ya I thought so.

[millerlite]

I doubt Sony would throw that kind of money at a game if a) it's been as poorly managed as she says, and b) it's a mediocre game. The fact that her "friendo" says there's poor management, high turnover at Guerilla, and that Insomniac is mad at GG leads me to believe that this is a stereotypical 'disgruntled employee with an axe to grind.'

[rushbd]

Resistance 2 will be an awesome experience. I don't see why Sony will let a game come out mediocre after spending so much money. And there isn't any solid evidence of it sucking. SO i still have faith in Killzone 2.

[Rims]

Surfer hoe. random guesses,hoping it might be right. she's just wanting hits.

[Scions Wrath]

I have a feeling Guerrilla Games will shock us again in some way with Killzone 2 at GDC 08 or maybe E3 08 (both?). I remember one of the developers saying that 'we have seen nothing yet'

As for this article i smell BS

[HardcoreGamer]

i loved the first killzone on the ps2, and man killzone liberation was ana amazing game for psp, and the online too.#

[jlytle1234]

killzone lib is pretty freakin sweet. its a must play on the psp.

[lesferdinand]

I'm no FPS fan (Quake 2 and Unreal kind of bored me out of the genre and the only console FPS that worked for me was split screen multiplayer TimeSplitters 2 on Gamecube) and picked up Killzone only recently, more or less to see what all the KZ2 hype was all about (besides the infamous target render ;) ) and I must say that I liked it a lot. It had some technical problems but none that interfered too much with the gameplay. I always loved the art direction in the screenshots but seeing the game for real made it even more stunning. The audio was nice as well, though a bit repetitive.

After Killzone, I got Resistance, which I'm playing at the moment. I like the slower, more strategic gameplay of Killzone better than the more arcady style of Resistance TBH. I will definitely get Resistance 2 (unless it does a DMC2) if only to see where the story will go next but I'm looking forward more to Killzone 2.

[timmyp53]

in the credits of PS3 games to Guerilla Games. They are helping ppl alot because they have Sony nearby helping them. So they know their stuff. I'm gonna have to call BS also.

[jlytle1234]

ive always been under the impression that guerilla is laying the ground work for developing on the ps3. they are creating the tools and paving the way for others regardless of how fun killzone is.

[Diugu]

I want havoc and chaos in this game.

I want things blowing up everywhere, bullets blazing and screams... of pain and bravery from start to finish.

Plus... with the graphics from the videos i've seen... that should make the game great.

PS: Also give me mouse and keyboard support.

[ar]

Lol, I thought you meant the Havoc physics engine first. >_<

[Rusted]

"Insomniac have a far better title that is further along in development"

How can you say this when the games are not finished? Both games looks promising and have their unique features. The speculation in the industry today is ridiculous.

[sonyfanonly]

KILLZONE 2 WILL LIVE UP TO ITS HYPE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT TO THEY NOW HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE PS3 TO GO BEYOND A NORMAL FPS AND DELIVER WHAT THEY WANTED TO WITH THE FIRST

[sonyfanonly]

KILLZONE 2 WILL LIVE UP TO ITS HYPE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT TO THEY NOW HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE PS3 TO GO BEYOND A NORMAL FPS AND DELIVER WHAT THEY WANTED TO WITH THE FIRST

[The Killer]

i could say they spend $50 million more sine the 30 million

[sonyfanonly]

KILLZONE 2 WILL LIVE UP TO ITS HYPE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT TO THEY NOW HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE PS3 TO GO BEYOND A NORMAL FPS AND DELIVER WHAT THEY WANTED TO WITH THE FIRST

[ceedubya9]

Personally, I'm looking forward to Resistance 2 more than Killzone 2. I already know what the expect from R2, and I know that my 60 bucks will be well spent. Killzone's graphics look nice, but until I get more info on this game, I'm still going to be on the fence about it. But, I think Killzone will turn out well in the end. Actually, it has to.

[joeynox]

$60 million on a crap game! omg. Killzone 1 was horrible and when they claimed it to be a " halo killer " guerrilla got co@k smacked back into reality.

[sleepbox]

Hmm...Its a shame that it's going along so rough because it is probably the best LOOKING game I've ever seen.

[The Closing]

This story is BS no doubt about it.

[zonetrooper5]

Can't wait until Killzone 2 and Resistance 2. Although, something having a massive budget does not always mean it will totally be amazing. I still can't belive that Spiderman 3 costed like 150 million dollars or was it more?

I did enjoy the film though.

[shysun]

I hope they can pull it off.R2 will be the shizznit though. :)

[THE_JUDGE]

I really don't see how she could even say that it plays bad when every single hands on report we have read says it plays fantastic. Look up N'Gai's hands on report from NewsWeek's Level Up. Check it out right here and tell me it sounds mediocre.

http://blog.newsweek.com/bl...

Nuff said!

[gamesblow]

Oh, it's just Surfer Girl... Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along now.

[kornbeaner]

I calling BS on this article as well. Because its not only the game that is being made its also massive R&D into the cell processor that in the end will only help other developers make their game better.

Granted developers like Insomniac and Naughty Dog don't need as much help as other devs when it comes to cell, but if ever there is a problem the R&D from guerrilla will most likely help at some point.

And to top it off to say that Insomniac has a deep resentment towards Guerrilla is very irresponsible, Insomniac as well as Sony knows the quality of work that comes out of that Burbank studio is pure gold.
Resistance 1, Ratchet and clank series, soon Resistance 2 will knock jaws to the floor there is no reason to throw out rumors when nobody and I mean NOBODY!!!!! can takeaway anything from the team at Insomniac.

As for my feeling on Killzone 2, I think the game as a whole will fall short of being great. I really do believe that this game is being used as a PS3 show piece. It will have so many things that many would have taught impossible or hard to do on the PS3 like Great physics, lighting, graphics and many other things while running at a steady framerate. But I do believe this showpiece will come at the price of gameplay. But if all this R&D helps Sony prove what the machine is truly capable of and help future development of titles for the system the game will be worth every penny.

[djroberts]

I wonder what her sources are. I don't really understand the significance of Surfer Girl. Why does anyone care what she says?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

There are two prevailing thoughts on Surfer Girl...

One, he/she does have some great contacts on the inside of many studios/companies and so she is able to get the goods.

Two...and honestly more likely...her predictions are always based on well documented/educated guesses. She/he looks at trends/rumors/release dates/Investor calls, etc... and is able to deduce some predictions that when presented with the facts of today...most all of us would guess the same things.

So...could this rumor be true? In some parts it probably is true. They may be having a tough go of it making the game. Does this mean the game will be horrible? Nah... I think it will be just fine. May not be great...but it will be solid enough for what Sony needs.

[koston3647]

OF COURSE you're not sure about buying this no one knows anything about this game yet please tell me if you have some in-depth info about the features of this game. but i doubt it so my advice is to wait for all info to come out then make your decision. jeez im brand new here and i still out think some people on here. as for me im pysched for this game, the lack of info has left me wanting more

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Dev kits cost about $11,000 and, all the devs have to spend money an extra dev time just to get games to work on the PS3. Not to mention when they finily do get done they look worse than the 360 version which was done months before. New name for the PS3 (Expensive Station 3) It might have actualy been cheaper to make a Killzone movie XD

[JBaby343]

A Killzone movie would be sweet. They are talking about a Gears movie so I say go with killzone too. Both would get me in the theatre.

[TheMART]

Well that's about correct.

I've played KZ1 on the PS2 it's meh
I've played KZ on my Ceramic White import PSP and it's better but still... Well not a great game, just good.

Guerilla has never made a great AAA game with 90% or higher reviews average. The Netherlands doesn't have the DNA like Japan, France, UK, USA or Canada etc. has in making games.

They have a long, long way to go to make a great game. So Sony, throw in another 60 mln. dollars, you might be able to make the game good again. Not great, just good. For that amount of money one would expect the best game ever, but I guess we're in for yet another big dissapointment like Lair

[JBaby343]

But opinions will vary. I really liked the first killzone and am anxiously awaiting KZ2. Never played liberation. The only thing that really disappointed about Lair was the control scheme which just had a steep learning curve. H3 was supposed to be this excellent game but actually disappointed me a lot. MP is the only aspect I had fun with but honestly I got bored with it after a few days. COD4 is a lot more fun in my opinion. No matter what when this game comes out some people will hail it as excellent (as many did with Halo) and others will hate it. The hype sets it up to both intrigue and disappoint.

Either way this is similar to Gears and Halo on 360 because this is one game that makes people of all consoles pay attention.

[Raptors]

Thats a lot of coin....

[wind_dragon]

"the game should have cost the former figure but guerrilla's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills, the studio has high turnover and a few other things." I can guarantee you that if this game cost this damn much then Sony is gonna be on it like white on rice.with a controlled budget and management out of this world so they won't have to spend any more money than needed.
"to top this off the game may be pretty but it's barely mediocre and past the point of no return." How can she even say this if she has no credible proof on how this game plays(i wanna see some evidence before you call out a game). As far as i know Guerilla hasn't released any info on the gameplay elements. The only thing i remember hearing is that they have a cover system.

[TwissT]

This is a rumour so unless there is solid confirmation of this, this article is false, and btw even if KZ2 has such a big budget, we all know Sony and Guerrila really want to deliver on KZ2 due to its hype and due to the fact that Guerrilla does not want to go through that "Halo killer" fiasco again.

[FirstknighT]

Well I said this from the beginning. Killzone 2 has used twice as much manpower, budget, and development time than your average game. While games like COD4 have already surpassed KZ2 in the graphical department and was made using half the resources of KZ2. It really does look like it takes a huge team with some serious money to find the power of the cell.

[JBaby343]

But I think it will be worth it. I love COD4 but by no means does it look as good as KZ2 does. I think GDC will prove it even more. The engine with all it's tech stuff is where the money is going. They could have finished it and released the game already but they are pushing technology which is what takes all the resources. I have to think they are planning on selling the engine when all is said and done so the R&D expense could be more than covered in the future.

[kornbeaner]

I was unaware that a version of Killzone 2 was available for you to make a comparison between Cod4 and KZ2

[IntelligentAj]

This is a rumor right? Okay just checking

[JBaby343]

The true cost will be a mystery. Do any companies ever release cost numbers? I don't recall seeing it discussed for any other game except Halo3 which mostly was on the marketing side.

As far as the managerial stuff this sounds like total bs. If that were truly the case Sony would have brought in some people to whip them into shape by now. They wouldn't just blow that off. No company would. But we'll never know that side either.

[MRMagoo123]

who in the hell is she and why do her opinions count anyway you do realise that if noone looks at her blogs they wont exist

[Ahhhh]

Some of people are defending a game that no one has played and the first one was horrible, it's quite funny. If the first game is anything to go by this one won't be that great either. Wait for reviews, instead of just talking nonsense..

[Ahhhh]

@djroberts - Well, alot of what she says has been true..

When was this supposed to be released?