PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale Director Responds To Super Smash Brothers Loyalist

Superbot Entertainment director responds to Super Smash Brothers fan during Saturday's EVO Q&A panel.

[VanillaBear]

"“what a folly it is to think that supers are the only things that matters in our video game.”

Well no offense but there has to be a mode in there somewhere where we don't need to do the whole Super thing

The problem is gamers are going to go with characters which have the best Supers, we've all seen so far out of the 10 characters that some characters supers kill all enemies on screen automaticaly while some you have to control yourself and may not successful to killing everyone. People arn't going to go with characters that they really want, just ones they know they are most likely to win with.

So it has to do a mode while normal attacks do damage...it has to. It's the one thing about this game which will make me decide to buy it day 1.

[MaideninBlack]

"People arn't going to go with characters that they really want, just ones they know they are most likely to win with."

I agree with you there. That's how it is in most fighting games. People choose the fastest or most overpowered fighter to advance.

[Dante112]

I think you can knock everyone out with a lvl 3 super with any character, Vanilla. The lvl 1 and 2 supers are the ones where you can move and knock individual people out.

[Shok]

Isn't Parappa's lvl 3 the one where he skates around ramming into people though? Correct me if I'm wrong but if it is that's an easily avoidable special, as opposed to SweetTooth.

[Dante112]

@ Shok

That's his lvl 2. Parappa's lvl 3 is when he freestyles and says "You gotta believe" which knockout everyone on the level.

Its at 2:17

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Edit: We still haven't seen Sweet Tooth lvl 3 move yet.

More examples that show that all characters lvl 3 will kill everyone no matter what.

Heihachi Lvl 3 (Knocks everyone out @ 0:46)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Toro Lvl 3 (Knocks everyone out @ 3:36)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[-Alpha]

Sweet's level 3 is his transformation into his Mech.

You can't insta-knock out everyone with a level 3, only some characters have that (Parappa, Toro, and Heihachi).

Level 1's are hardest to hit, level 2's are combo-friendly (you can combo into it easier)

[sarshelyam]

Not true. Not all characters have this blanket LVL 3 that dispatches all remaining players with the mere activation. Big Daddy, for example, submerges the entire level under water while the remaining players are stuck floating. The player whom initiated the LVL 3 still needs to attack each competitor to earn the KO. Granted, the attacks are 1-hit KO's, and a real tactician can earn up to 6 KO's in a single LVL 3 if they knock each player out in the same order before and after their respawn.

The only one I've seen that seems to indicate auto KO's are Heihachi and Toro, everyone else I've played as has some sort of manual input requirement.

[Jazz4108]

This clone really looks like a horrible game. I didn't really like the nintendo version its based off of either. The game graphicaly looks like balls and is a mess to try and play at e3 this year. I know it has some dev time left but the game is a mess and very bugged in its present state and will prolly recieive no higher then a 78 metacritic score. Bloodforge is another game that's a giant dissapointment and was the opposite of this as it looked fun to play but its repetive and frustrating where battle looks like ass but may not smell like it if it has some substance in the gameplay. The game plays fun but its alittle all over the place in its e3 form.

[poopsack]

Level 3s arent as broken as people think they are, the instant kill supers only get you 3 guaranteed kills, while other level 3s, like big daddy's can get you 4 or 5 by killing players multiple times if you're good enough, its a nice system that promotes skill

[GodHandDee]

Bingo. Exactly what I was going to type. Not sure why anyone would disagree. As any game of this nature there are pros/cons to characters. It's up to the final balancing and touch ups to make things even out between all characters. I have seen players winning games with almost every character they have shown so far, even radec, who I thought would such but it's all in how you utilize their strengths. (In the case of radec, you play a long ranged game for the best results)

[TBM]

i'll just say this is people want a 1:1 carbon copy of smash bros than go play smash bros. this guys said they borrowed/influence from many different fighters, and their putting their own spin on this game.

let them finish the damn game before you all start complaining like little kids. i personally will not buy the game as i dont like to play fighters anymore, but im very interested to see how this game turns out.

[StraightPath]

poor super smash clones in reality though. Obviously not going to better but looks ok for a rental casual beat em up.

[Biggest]

Has anyone told you that you're really boring? You are.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Tell that to the Adon, Blanka, and Guy players out there. People pick who they want to pick and master their choice. Its the me toos who pick the power characters for nothing other than power, not gamers in general, as you suggest.

[smashcrashbash]

First of all a three level super is not easy to get, they themselves said that.People still talk as if everyone will just be standing there letting you hit them so you can build up your power to level 3. If you get killed you lose all the power you built up. So to get a 3 level super you have to defend and dodge for your life. Also even if the 3 level attack guarantees the destruction of the people around you that is still only 2 or 3 people you have killed.You don't get any extra points for killing everyone with a level three.

Any other attack 3 level attack that can't kill you instantly can be avoided.And finally people act as if that isn't what people in fighters always do. Why do you think people choose Blackheart, Iron Man, Cable, Magneto and Sentinel in MVC games? Because they had the most powerful and effective attacks but people STILL run to play them.So how is this any different?

[-Alpha]

Getting killed doesn't result in the loss of your AP. Throws reduce your AP, and so do some weapon attacks. I think some moves take out AP as well, but you can get killed without consequence of your own AP. Death subtracts one point from your overall score, kills are two points each, so that is the main reason to avoid death.

[smashcrashbash]

No think you are wrong. If you get killed all your AP that you saved is gone. That is why it is such a risk. That is why you either choose to only use 1 level and second level attacks or risk saving up for a three level attack.If anyone destroys you all your AP is lost. But you are right about the penalty which is another reason to avoid death

[-Alpha]

Not sure if I understand you, but at 2:50, Radec has 95% of his AP, gets taken out, but still retains his AP when he spawns: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Nor would it be fair since it would reward the rich by getting richer and the poor by getting poorer. There would be way more lockouts if AP got wiped every time you killed an opponent.

I understand the mechanic of risk you think would exist, but I'm pretty sure the AP wiping doesn't exist: The risk comes from whether you want to use your super at 1, 2, or 3 and whether or not you want to risk everything on a level 2 or 3 that may not land in comparison to an opponent who may be more successful with consistent level 1 supers. I guess this also where the skill of combos comes in, since a really good offensive player can build to a level 3 quicker. Compare that to a player who may build AP more slowly and would have to master level 1 supers to make up for faster-building players. I've seen Drake's tank blast super take out all 3 opponents, the risk here is when and how you want to use supers and how your opponent is building his, which could force you to use your supers differently. That's the management that would come out of supers.

[sarshelyam]

Exactly this. In the mini-tournaments I've played you see two kinds of players. The first build their Supers to Level 1 and attempt to tally up 1 KO, on average. The other players spend nearly the entirety of the match, or at least half of it, building their Level 3. At that point, a tactical player can earn up to 6 successive KO's with proper competitor KO's. That is to say, if a player knocks out remaining players A/B/C (3 KO's), they can knock out players A/B/C (in the same order post respawn), for an additional 3 KO's.

There's plenty of strategy in this fighter that people simply aren't seeing, or completely ignore in the thick of it. I've even shouted at players who have a LVL 3 build-up to use it...use that time you just spent earning it and make it count, that's the point, at least in the mode they're currently showing.

[Xperia_ion]

We need more games like smashbros.

[HmongAmerican]

Level 3 finisher should be a drop item. That way it more challenging to get.

[sarshelyam]

Dude, the Level 3 can be incredibly challenging to get. I've spent some matches against great players spending nearly the entirety of the match building a Level 3, only to use it, successfully, within the last minute of the match (no way to build a LVL 3 in that amount of time left).

[iNMyFiN4LH0uR]

Smash Bros is a successful formula, All-Stars is admitting to borrowing from it and adding a completely new array of characters, fighting styles and powers which in turn creates a new experience. I don't see what Smash bros enthusiasts are complaining about.

[Hicken]

It's not really too many SSB lovers that are complaining. Moreso, it's Sony haters that are complaining. To them, Sony can't do anything right, and if it IS right, they had to have stolen the idea from somebody else. Nothing they do is ever original, innovative, or good enough, period.

PS All Stars will be lambasted, regardless of how good it is. Just like every other Sony-branded, gaming related ANYTHING.

[sikbeta]

Agree with the last part of your comment, no matter what, in this case and with this game, it'll be destroyed by reviews, the internerd will hate it because it's not Smash Bros and it'll be used by trolls in future fanboy wars, so, be ready XD

I want this game to be huge, but Sony will not even care about advertising it and Third Party Characters will be mid-tier at best, not the greatest characters from the PS1 and PS2 days... too bad...

[ALLWRONG]

"Sony can't do anything right, and if it IS right, they had to have stolen the idea from somebody else"

That's what they did, and they've done it a lot this gen.

[BrutallyBlunt]

This is true, Journey, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, all Sony branded things get lambasted (even though in the real world they reviewed very well and sold very well). Anyone know who this fella is talking about? Isn't he the same person who never says anything good about Microsoft gaming-related things? My oh my don't we continually put our foot in our mouths.

So i guess that's it eh, Sony is being treated unfairly so the automatic response is to completely bash Microsoft. Very mature. It's a good thing people like this don't really have much impact where it counts, at retail.

[DigitalRaptor]

He was talking about Sony haters, and it's true.

The kind of people saying this is a Smash Bros. rip off (even though it's got a different play style and different characters -- and the fact that Nintendo got their idea from similar brawlers) are always Sony haters. Even if it emulates, improves or does something of its own, it's still "just a crappy rip off".

The ones saying LittleBigPlanet Karting is a Mario Kart rip-off even though it adds a completely new dynamic to kart racing through Play, Create, Share meaning endless community creativity. And Crash Team Racing was probably blasted for the same reason, until people realised it was a great game in itself. Again it's Sony haters, which was the point.

[BrutallyBlunt]

DigitalRaptor, what we have here is someone continually blaming Sony haters to cover up his own actions.

It's only natural for people to compare a highly successful franchise like SSB to this. Not all of them are haters for doing so. The same thing happens with Forza vbeing compared to Gran Turismo and Killzone compared to Halo. Popular franchises will always have other games in the same genre living within the shadows even if they are good games on their own.

The point is that poster continually puts himself in the same predicament, which is smack dab in the middle of the whole console war feud. He is probably more guilty of that than almost anyone here. So to call people Sony haters when he himself promotes nothing but negativity towards Microsoft is laughable. He chooses to focus on the haters while being a hater himself. Doesn't sound very productive to me. The developer of All Stars just needs to focus on making his own game as best as the team can without worrying about the haters, and people here need to do the same thing.

[Hicken]

So instead of directly responding to my comments n your attempt to discredit me, you now simply respond NEAR what I say?

And what part of what I said is wrong? Despite the evident quality of the games you mentioned, there were STILL plenty of people willing to bash them. Uncharted is CONSTANTLY called an Indiana Jones-inspired Tomb Raider ripoff that stole its cover system from Gears of War. Little Big Planet is that stupid kiddie game that wishes it was Mario that even Nintendo and Microsoft didn't want. And Journey is a pretty, empty "game" about jumping and sending chirping sounds to another person who just does whatever.

If you never heard or saw any of that, it's because you weren't looking.

Am I saying there aren't legitimate reasons to complain in any of these titles? Not at all; not one of them is perfect, so there are naturally areas each of them can improve upon. But simplifying Uncharted or Heavy Rain into a "QTE movie" doesn't do either game justice; why, then, does that seem to be the default response for why haters don't like them?

There are entire websites that are blatant/stealth trolls against Sony. Kotaku and modojo are two right off the top of my head. In the XBL/PSN+ comparison thread, nukeitall claims there isn't a SINGLE game on Playstation that interests him. And he's not the only one with such an "opinion." Sorry, but you can't call yourself a core gamer and make that claim. There should be something on EVERY console that catches your eye.

Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and quite a few other RPGs catch my eye on 360(already bought Lost Odyssey; great game). On the Wii, Fragile Dreams, Lost in Shadow, MadWorld, and others interest me.

I'M a fanboy, despite being interested in these games, but a guy who trolls virtually EVERY PS3 article, spinning every positive into a negative, and spinning every Microsoft negative into a positive, isn't. Why have you never gotten on HIS case, Mr. I'm-Not-A-Fanboy-Myself? Easily dozens of people on either side of the debate blatantly worse than I am, but you focus on me, with my legitimate issues?

You come in here and pretend like what I'm saying isn't true because you think I'm a fanboy, but you never even ATTEMPT to disprove my claims. You only try to erode my credibility, so that what I'm saying SEEMS invalid.

Just say it: am I wrong, or am I right? If I'm wrong, say WHY, and don't just attack my character. That's weak.

[BrutallyBlunt]

"And what part of what I said is wrong?"

What part of what i said about you is wrong?

"Despite the evident quality of the games you mentioned, there were STILL plenty of people willing to bash them."

That happens on all platforms, not just Sony related ones. The issue is you're far too sensitive when it comes to Sony platforms which is why you're so quick to respond. Ask yourself, how many articles do you go into defending attacks on Nintendo franchises or Microsoft franchises. If you give them equal consideration then you'd have a point. It doesn't happen therefore do you don't have a point.

"If you never heard or saw any of that, it's because you weren't looking. "

There's so much irony in that there's no reason to respond.

"Am I saying there aren't legitimate reasons to complain in any of these titles? Not at all; not one of them is perfect, so there are naturally areas each of them can improve upon. But simplifying Uncharted or Heavy Rain into a "QTE movie" doesn't do either game justice; why, then, does that seem to be the default response for why haters don't like them? "

Have a point. Don't amalgamate all your anger into every topic. Address your issues there and leave them behind. Instead you carrry this resentment from topic to topic like some deranged Sony fanboy who's been tarnished for life because people troll Sony.

"There are entire websites that are blatant/stealth trolls against Sony."

Why do you act like the world revolves around Sony? Stop obsessing over everything related to Sony and you will soon see there is pessimism all around. Many thought the Wii was going to fail before it came out. That's the media, stop worrying about.

"Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and quite a few other RPGs catch my eye on 360(already bought Lost Odyssey; great game). On the Wii, Fragile Dreams, Lost in Shadow, MadWorld, and others interest me."

So? That still doesn't eradicate your conduct.

"I'M a fanboy, despite being interested in these games"

There, that's all that was needed to be said. So stop defelecting and take control of your own actions. If you don't like people trolling Sony then you can't very well get any sympathy if you yourself troll Microsoft.

"You come in here and pretend like what I'm saying isn't true."

This isn't about that, it's about you always being involved with this console war and acting like the victim when you yourself are often times the aggressor.

It's obvious you have too much time on your hands, twiddling your thumbs and over-analying things while thinking the world is against Sony. You'll get far more enjoyment out of your hobby if you pay less attention to the negative people but you being a negative person yourself probably explains why you're so attracted to it in the first place.

As for you being right? Yes and no. Yes people bash those games but then again so do you on other systems. It's a vicious circle that for some strange reason you guys don't want to end.

[telekineticmantis]

so I'm not too bothered by that, I enjoyed SSB. My question is will I enjoy PS Allstars. That whole killing system needs to change or make another mode with another type of system, even if similar.

[310dodo]

I am starting to lose faith in superbot and PS all stars

they are caving too 3rd party "ads" *big daddy*

trying to make legends out of this gens w/e franchises *fat princess*

take out the supers!!!

if its going to be a SB clone. do it right!!!!

[Klipz-Wish]

*Sigh*
People need to be more optimistic

Here they discuss ways to avoid Supers the system is really good

I suggest people watch the whole panel before they decide upon whether the game mechanics are going to be good or not

Watch from 6:00 mins in

[Over726]

I Want to play with my PS Home Person. That Would be Sweet.

[Ascalon94]

that would be awesome, they should add that as Free DLC if not in the main release.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I love Omar. :) He's such a nice guy...and humble, too, it seems.

I cannot wait for this game! It is exactly what I wanted: Super Smash Bros. with Sony characters, a deeper battle system, and a bit of Power Stone to it. ;) I'm getting it for PS3 and Vita.

[darkgod]

its not deeper at all lol and sony char? more then half of these are 3rd party. btw the next smash brothers is sopose to be really deep in game mechanics as stated they want the game to be much deeper.

[Darth Stewie]

They announced 10 characters so far with only 2 being 3rd party(Big Daddy & Heihachi) So its not half.

[GodHandDee]

Not deep? Either you don't know the game or just saying such a thing for the heck of it. The fight mechanics have already shown a lot of depth. try harder

And no way, PR have said the next game will be deeper? I bet it said the next game will be the best ever in the series too. Word of advice, wait until you see some gameplay or have solid information before using PR as evidence.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

It is deeper. Just look at it. It's a full-on fighter, brawler-style!!! :D Even Billy and Mandy had a better fighting system than SSB.

[Skateboard]

Fail more braaaa.

[omarzy]

ya it is not going to be too deep at all. Seems fun, but i do not see much strategy here. Just a bunch of jumping and hitting, now the noobs at smash bros would day that is what smash is, but they do not play correctly. I do not see anything here that resembles side stepping(all fighters have this) They should have just put air dodging or short hop/fast fall. Also, why no off stage dying? Spiking off stage was where a character with 200% could kill someone with 30%. This game looks entertaining, but i just have a feeling i won't have to pay attention while i am playing lol. The next smash bros will be depper than brawl for sure. I want wave dashing back.

[Advent99]

"Even Billy and Mandy had a better fighting system than SSB."

I really hope this is a joke. cause it's completely false.

[pompombrum]

Never played Smash Brothers so can't comment on it but the idea of scoring points from supers seems a little boring to me.. maybe it works out better when playing but the footage I saw on the evo stream made the game look really boring.

[GodHandDee]

Think FF Dissidia. The core theory is the same. Trust me it's a lot of fun

[Skateboard]

Your name has God Hand I love you.

[isntchrisl]

A good Smash Bros. clone done right might encourage Sakurai to try to top it (which I'm sure he will). So while All Stars is a ripoff, it might just give us a better Smash Bros.

I'm not sure I like the Super system in All Stars though.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Top it? Uh...

I honestly don't see that happening...

[omarzy]

Sakurai already topped it with Melee.

[isntchrisl]

I wasn't talking about topping his own game (which he may well do). I was talking about him going above and beyond to show All Stars how it's done.

[darkgod]

i dont like how this game looks... and im not a fan of any char on it. add some .hack chars and jehuty then maybe but other then that ill pass. does anyone know if maximo is in it?

[nerdkiller]

i wish sony could buy nintedo u could have a creative nintendo making games for a powerful sony machine

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Thank you! I've been saying it for years! It wouldn't even have to be one company controlling everything. Nintendo and Sony could design the systems together. Their teams could work together to make games, like Bungie, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and Epic do. :)

It would be a merger, of course... That could be difficult.

[BitbyDeath]

Nah, more competition the better.

[darkgod]

i dont i dont wana be stuck with only a sony thing in my house we seem to have bad luck with sony stuff they keep on breaking out ps3 currently has a fan issue lol my brother got a fan cooler $ it so t dont shut off what thus like our 6 ps3 :/ were cursed lol and well yeah ill stick with smash brothers still.

[Salamander]

At this stage i dont think they could afford them.

[urwifeminder]

Never played either i wont loose sleep.

[Salamander]

Why you commenting then? get back to work. My wifes not gonna mind herself you know.

[videoxgamexfanboy]

So let me get this straight...if u bash this game for being a ssb clone ur being a sony hater? Lol Sony fanboys get more and more creative ill give ya that. This game is clearly a ssb clone. Weather or not that's a good thing depends on ur taste. I'm kinda looking forward to it the more I see but ssb will always be king of this style of gameplay...

[frankiebeans]

you cant die unless hit with a special.....thats just stupid the game could be so good but they're making horrible decisions imo im a smash bros lover i play that game still till this day on n64 gamecube and wii its one of my favorites of all time.

[chrispen9]

Smash Bros and PlayStation All Stars will be/are both great games. All Stars takes aspects from Smash but its not entirely like Smash. If people on the internet actually had an open mind, you would see that.

[SegataShanshiro]

How come everyone in the universa has already played this game except me? Its not even out yet! Wtf is happening how do i play it too?

[TheObserver]

Nothing is new under the sun. If you think you have something new, chances are there are already earlier versions of the idea. People who complain ripoff are idiots that are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past. Go read a history of video game. The people who are whining must be freaking 14 years old to not have seen this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

OMG! Nintendo copied Squaresoft! Idiots.

I don't see people lambast Dissidia either. It is basically a Square Enix Smash Bro version with FF characters. When Sony does it, it is a ripoff. The bias is funny and obvious.

Famous characters thrown into a fighting ring is nothing new. And will appear again.

[pixelsword]

Well that, and mugen.

[TheObserver]

I doubt those 14 year olds have the mental capacity to know and set up MUGEN on a computer.

[pixelsword]

I know; where else on earth will you get an epic battle like this?

http://youtu.be/cW7c6uPw1gE

[omarzy]

People are saying it is a ripoff of the smah bros formula which is clearly is, nobody is saying that smash bros created its own genre.Did you even look at gameplay for this game? The only thing similar to smash bros is that it has a character roster and requires a controller. Sony could make a brawler, who cares? but the people that complain are those who notice the copy paste smash formula with sony characters. It all comes down to the game formula. Same moving stages that hurt you, same player avatar at the bottom, same basic movement of characters, its all the same, but it can be amazing if done correctly.

[Unversed87]

Umm....Smash Bro Brawl had supers that were not fair to one another. Falcon, Ike,etc had to be close and if you miss its over...but Sonic goes super Sonic and Pikachu goes electric ball getting at least 1-2 kills.

[IAmLee]

I love how everyone's talking about the game like its already been released. Anything can change up until it's actually gone gold, so people should stop making silly assumptions, and just wait. Only time will tell.

[Unversed87]

Ill wait talk about when i play it myself...until then game on.