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Destructoid: I am officially done with the Kinect

Hamza "CTZ" Aziz writes: I owe everyone an apology. This past March, I stated that "Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor validates owning a Kinect." As it turns out, I was so, so wrong. We went as far as having the Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor review pass through the hands of three different Destructoid editors in an attempt to get the game to work, until finally realizing that Heavy Armor is, in fact, simply broken.

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EVILDEAD3604334d ago (Edited 4334d ago )

I always find it amazing that bad games come out every day. Steel Batallion was obviously one of those for Destructoid. They gave the game a 30%.

But, it's amazing how when literally one game is bad that means KINECT itself is NOW as bad as that game.

How many standard controller games come out weekly for the 360 and PS3, but you never see these kinds of articles for other consoles even at the height of Wii hate. One bad game doesnt equal them all.

The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article.

We know the mountain of bad games that plagued Wii all those years.

Now you have Kinect which some games work great for and others don't. I've own all of them, but in terms of games that you can play with family and friends Kinect destroys the comp which literally was only Wii.

Every motion control device has it's strength and weaknesses, as for Kinect it's strengths are why 19 million have bought the device. One game won't change that..shame Steel didn't measure up to it's potential. As a fan of the series, I still will give it a try. My Kinect isn't any more special than other review sites but I laugh when they pretend a games controls dont work and your Kinect works perfectly fine.

Evil

Godmars2904334d ago

How is that you don't understand that Kinect hasn't really lived up to the advertised claims surrounding it?

Games for it are generally good at parties and can entertain kids, but with an "actual" game so far its only come up short. Other motion controls may be as lame but at least the Wiimote has managed a few success while the Move is an all-purpose light-gun and half decent additional control option.

19 Million bought Kinect because of a half billion a campaign. Now a lot of those people are realizing that.

Hufandpuf4334d ago (Edited 4334d ago )

[ridiculous number] bought Wii because of a half billion a campaign. Now a lot of those people [have realized] that.

^also true.

GribbleGrunger4334d ago

sheep will follow each other to get fleeced

supraking9514334d ago

18.5 million of those didnt buy Kinect, they bought a 360 console that came with a crap Kinect bundle.

Dark_king4334d ago

@supraking951

Actually a few million were given away by burger king.Some by Oprah though no idea how many.

Ult iMate4334d ago

@Hufandpuf
At least Wii had some great and unique core-games in oppose to Kinect.

ApplEaglElephant4333d ago

HOw isnt it obvious that Kinect games are mostly crap.

look at kinect games library. lol

mewhy324333d ago

Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor is a very poorly developed game. The developer implemented the Kinect motion control very poorly here.This is very unfortunate for the people,including myself, that were really looking forward to this game.Very, very poorly developed piece of software indeed. This developer has no idea how to implement Kinect motion and gesture controls effectively. This makes me realize the frustration that many of the gamers on this site express with "lazy" developers.

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ATi_Elite4334d ago

....Yeh right!

as soon as the Xbox 720 comes out and Kinect has it's own dedicated CPU you guys will be right back calling Kinect the greatest thing since "sliced Cheese".

Microsoft will hype up a better working Kinect 2, sell another 20 million units, rake in a mega ton of cash, and once they have you guys Hook, line, and sinker they will leave it up to 3rd parties to support Kinect 2.

Then Destructoid will be writing another "We thought Kinect 2 was good but now it's trash article".

The minute they removed kinect's Dedicated CPu i knew Kinect would be CRAP! Hopefully Kinect 2 with a dedicated Cpu (or a CPu fast enough to game and do Kinect functions simultaneously) will be more capable and provide us with better entertainment.

BitbyDeath4334d ago

I agree, Kinect should be quite impressive next gen. Am looking forward to seeing what it can do.

asmith23064333d ago

Yeah but it wont be a gaming experience that you can really get into. Trying to use a full body motion controller for anything other than on rails is just not feasible. Gaming these days is about moving around 3d worlds and with Kinect you can't do that.

kneon4333d ago

Certainly Kinect 2 will be an improvement but no matter what they do it will still occasionally make mistakes, there is just no way around it.

The voice recognition is always making its best guess at what you've said, most of the times it's right but sometimes it won't be.

It the same situation with the motion control, it analyzes the image and tries to guess where you are, sometimes it will guess wrong.

These are limitations inherent in this approach to motion gaming that can never be completely overcome. It can be improved but never completely eliminated.

Bathyj4334d ago

Its not like people were waiting for one bad Kinect game to put it down, but this was supposed to be an example of a real core title working with Kinect, and apparently it doesnt.

And other consoles dont get any hate articles?
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?

And you've owned EVERY Kinect game?
Sorry but I cant give your opinion any weight at all after finding that out.
If you're owned EVERY Kinect game, my armpit has better taste than you.

Tachyon_Nova4334d ago

I think his point was, right or wrong, that when a bad PS3 game is released you don't see people slamming the entire machine. He is saying (again rightly or wrongly) that this article is basing its hate for Kinect on this one game and ignoring the rest of the Kinect games.

Dark_king4334d ago

@Tachyon_Nova but they did bash the ps3 up until it proved itself.

kinect has yet to prove itself as anything more then a casual gaming device.Until it does every so called core game will be considered as prof of it fail.

Bathyj4333d ago

Yeah sorry but PS3 still gets hate every day and Sony are the only ones still dancing with who brung em.

People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth.

If thats not proof unwarranted hate isnt still prevalent than I dont know what is.

TekoIie4333d ago (Edited 4333d ago )

"And other consoles dont get any hate articles?
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?"

Oh right yeh, the Wii gets a few too.........

"People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth".

The reasoning behind that is because ND SAID it wasn't and then played the same demo on JF show in the exact same way as the E3 demo and every enemy went to the exact same place. Character even spoke the same lines as in the demo. Basically they didnt help their own claim...

But overall hate against the PS3 (or Move) is pretty much non existent in articles on this site.

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2v14333d ago

dude kinect work whit dance games go shake

asmith23064333d ago (Edited 4333d ago )

Evil, your the biggest 360 fanboy I have seen on this site, you will defend it down to the last no matter what. Your in denial, Kinect is garbage when it comes to 'gamer' games.

"The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article." Yes that's true but you don't see Sony marketing it left, right and centre and making it the centre piece of the PS3. That's the difference, there is more at stake for Xbox with Kinect than there is for the PS3 with the Move. Microsoft have placed their cards first on the Kinect(casual), second on Services & Apps('entertainment hub') and last but not least... proper GAMES!!

Its a shame really and how you defend that (as a gamer in general) is beyond me. Maybe its just that your gaming standards are low.

TBM4333d ago

i was one of the few who didnt bother to waste hard earned money on this piece of crap camera. my 360 was the better for it until i traded it in this past sunday for not being used since gears 3.

im glad im not easily taken in by marketing like most of the people here defending this garbage.

Anon19744333d ago

mewhy32 said "This developer has no idea how to implement Kinect motion and gesture controls effectively."

Here's the thing though, most developers are limited by the tools provided. I headed up a Kinect project for 4 months using Kinect as an input for a training sim. It was unbelievably frustrating. Using Microsoft's development kit, Kinect was constantly losing the subject, confused by the same movement with different players, seemed confused by any clothing other than tight t-shirts and the biggest problem of all, like this article mentioned, it just didn't recognize movements with any real level of consistency. You were consistently having to do the same motion over and over until Kinect recognized what you were doing.

Now, that had nothing to do with the application we were building and everything to do with the Microsoft kit running Kinect. Kinect is only an input device. At the risk of simplifying a bit much, as far as input goes, "Did I raise my hand?" is no different than "Did I click a mouse button?". It's either true or false. If your mouse drivers aren't working, you can click the button all day. With Kinect, the Kinect device and software provided by Microsoft just doesn't recognize movement with anything resembling consistency.

So unless the developer is able to rewrite Microsoft's drivers, or is able to mask the errors somehow by approximating what it things the user is doing regardless of what the user is actually doing (which is what we see in most Kinect games) - don't blame the developers for letting you down.

If you bought a mouse that only recognized a click once every 4-5 times and you couldn't play Diablo, would you blame Blizzard because they didn't fake mouse clicks to approximate what they think you're doing, or would you blame the company that botched your input device?

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dedicatedtogamers4334d ago

Most sane people were "officially done" with the Kinect at the first E3 showing. A few more people found sanity and were "officially done" with Kinect at the second E3 showing of Kinect just prior to launch. The only people who actually thought Kinect could amount to anything were overly-loyal fansites like Destructoid, Kotaku, etc.

We were all "officially done" with Kinect a long time ago. I'm glad journalists are finally playing catch-up *looks at calendar*. We all knew this three years ago.

360GamerFG4334d ago

First hybrid Kinect game tanks, yeah i'm also done with Kinect. No sarcasm.

swansong4334d ago

After reading that article, now I know that a grown man can pout and throw a little fit. Seriously, Microsoft never forced me to buy a kinect.

GribbleGrunger4334d ago

'After yesterday's review, however, I've come to the realization that the Kinect is a glorified beta test that we've all been suckered into buying.'

Dear God, it took him that long to realise? I've been saying this since we found out that Milo was just a demo. people have been drawn in with the whole, 'so much potential' and bought the kinect based on the fact that MS kept on saying 'the games are coming'.

well Kinect has been a big success and thanks to that success, it's Microsoft's main focus. well done people.

Godmars2904334d ago

Sadly, much of this console generation has been a "demo" with developers and publishers testing ideas while selling half finished products at full price. HD graphics costs us much in terms of content, which was sold back to us as DLC.

@Hufandpuf: People didn't realize their mistake when they bought the Wii, the soccer moms who did got tired of it and put it in their closets well before then.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest2d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN2d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan2d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor1d 9h ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic1d 8h ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv721d 10h ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts1d 7h ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares2d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv722d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka2d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion2d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer2d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow12d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer1d 21h ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar2d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn2d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast2d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning772d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole1d 12h ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning772d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning772d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast2d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning771d 21h ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast1d 14h ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv722d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes2d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv727d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18816d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio6d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning776d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga6d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv726d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19925d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21836d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga6d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit6d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus236d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv726d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier5d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan5d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1016d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-6d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac6d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic6d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead6d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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