Don’t like change? Then you most likely won’t enjoy Dead Space 3: True survival horror is dead-OXCGN

OXCGN:

"From the moment Isaac awoke upside down in a crashed cockpit, to the sound of the howling blizzard he needed to traverse, everything sounded crisp and clear.

Too bad the vision for this game seems less clear, as what followed had me shaking my head in dismay. True survival horror seems to have died, an action-focused alien bursting from its innards to replace it."

[Proeliator]

I'm really attracted to Dead Space 3 for the same reason that I was attracted to RE5: coop.

As games adapt to an increasing social demand, it's only logical to include a cooperative feature. It also allows it to appeal to people like me.

I'm sure the hardest of the core despise my kind, though.

[BadCircuit]

Yeah I was a huge fan of Resident Evil 4 because it WAS more action oriented. Resident Evil 5 was good, but did feel a bit like it had moved away from that 'survival horror' feel.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Nothing wrong with co-op. Heck, there's nothing wrong with trying to improve a game. But I sure as heck ain't gonna listen to EA's promises that "Dead Space 3 will be just as scary" while nodding my head like a dumb mule. This new game is quite obviously a departure from what the series is known for.

[user5467007]

"I'm sure the hardest of the core despise my kind, though. "

Well when you pretty much say something like

"It also allows it to appeal to people like me"

Then yeah we would despise "your" kind because you fail to realise that them trying to appeal to people like you is what ruins these kind of games which don't need co-op. It spilts the fanbase, makes the developers look like sell outs and ruins the overall franchise in general.

Why not just hope or be on the look out for a co-op based game in the form of a new IP.

I have a funny feeling you wern't really a fan of the first Dead Space or the old Resident Evil games...only when they became mainstream to fit to your taste. Why don't you think of the core fans of this franchise.

If you want co-op then go and play a game built from the ground up with co-op in mind...Borderlands, Two Worlds, L4D

[PLAYER5095]

Well said!!

[vortis]

...Army of Two
...Splinter Cell: Conviction
...Conflict: Denied Ops
...Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
...Call of Duty: Black Ops Zombies
...Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Spec Ops
...Gears of War
...Mass Effect 3

I just named these games off the top of my head so people like Proeliator honestly can't say that there aren't enough generic co-op shooters out there. I seriously don't see why the few games outside that genre need to be turned into generic shooters, too.

Bubs to you MikeCosgrove because you get it.

[dredgewalker]

Well said Mike, I still prefer my survival horror in SP since it makes me feel alone, vulnerable and helpless which creates the right atmosphere for being scared.

[ShadowRyuX]

I am a huge fan of co-op games, because I love playing with my younger bro. However, I am also a huge Dead Space fan, it is one of my top 10 favorite games of this generation and helped restore my faith in EA. This said, Dead Space 3 seems really disappointing. If they wanted a co-op survival horror shooter game, they should have just created a new IP. This isn't Dead Space and it disgusts me to think of the huge lack of artistic integrity displayed by EA.

[Rettom]

Why not just hope or be on the look out for a co-op based game in the form of a new IP.

Well.... developers are lazy :) They don't wanna create a new story, a new universe, they just want money.

[SKUD]

I do. Very much.

[Nimblest-Assassin]

I wouldn't have minded the co-op if they didn't add

-universal ammo
-wide open areas
-cover system
-combat rolling
-human enemies
-necromorphs that shoot guns

All these things sacrifice what made dead space 1 and 2 so great. Dead space caught the RE syndrome. The claustrophobic athmosphere, the sense you want to be far away from the enemy, all I saw in the demo was them rushing up to kill the necromorphs and humans.

Even the 2 weapons into one feels lame, I mean it could have opened up so many possibitities if the gun combinations had unique effects, but the guns are essentially the same from dead space 1 and 2

The game just feels like a "me-too" cover shooter now, and thats disappointing

If they did this Co-op and dead space would be perfect

-minimize the dialouge in combat, or at least make them sound scared as hell... I mean Carver is laughing and trash talking necromorphs? Why? The last thing a HORROR game needs is a character who acts like Cole Train

-reduce the ammo you find

-make encouters randomized

-make sure the players always have to watch each other

-strengthen the necromorphs

- make the spaces enclosed

and done, you have a co-op experience that still retains the horror element, but until then this game will be an action game.... and thats sad to. Geoff Kieghly called it an action game and Steve (not even going to spell his last name) acknowledged it!

I mean, the guys at visceral are always talking to their community, always listening, so why betray that community? People want horror and claustrophobia... not Lost Gears of Dead Space 3!

[rdgneoz3]

"I mean, the guys at visceral are always talking to their community, always listening, so why betray that community?"

Gonna go out on a lib here and say it was the result of EA... They've been getting a pretty good track record lately of screwing up game series that were already good to begin with.

[KaBaW]

I wish that some CEO's and developers though like you; but it doesn't happen. :/
If the game was like the second part, that would have been uber fantastic..

[Oh_Yeah]

EA ruined THE ONLY GAME that ever made me jump from my seat, and some of my friends scream like girls =/ something resident evil, silent hill, condemed, manhunt, and countless other supposed horror game franchises never made me do. sad to see one of my favs end up this way.

[Brownghost]

you thought dead space was scary?

[Oh_Yeah]

@ Brownghost
i havnt been "scared" by many movies or games since watching the shining as an 11 year old, i had to shit with the door open for a couple days cuz i didnt know what to expect lol. but on the first playthrough with the lights off and surround sound cranked up...i felt the closest ive been to being scared again. it surprised the shit out of me a couple times, more than any other horror game or movie has in about 9 years. so no i cant think of a game nor many movies that out does the jump factor you get from dead space. dead space is to horror games as the shining is to horror movies. "the king". imo. if you can tell me what games are scarier or even movies that are scarier id gladly give them a try, but im sure ive seen and played most of the best.

[Oh_Yeah]

also i only own a ps3 and 360 no pc. they actually did a scientific study with 500 people and found dead space 2 to be the scariest game on the 360.

http://kotaku.com/5838626/s...

[Campy da Camper]

Someone needs to play Amnesia Dark Decent.

[TekoIie]

Anyone remember the scene with that scientifically modified Necromorph that couldn't die? Now thats scary!!!

Can you kill it? NO
Can you run from it? Yes but barely
Is it alone? Sometimes

All you could do was slow it down by severing its legs. Removal of all its legs and arms stopped it in its tracks for a short time.

If thats not scary i dont know what is... Oh and it was dark :3

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

"True survival horror" is far from "dead". It's still out there. The problem is that these developers are selling out and go astray from the horror side and move over to the typical shooter side. Horror is still out there. It just needs to be done the right way.

[SilentNegotiator]

I don't like STUPID change, no.

"As games adapt to an increasing social demand, it's only logical to include a cooperative feature. It also allows it to appeal to people like me"

They make it appeal to others, but it will also lose the people that it USED to appeal to.

[vandal GAB]

Co-op in dead space 3 is a multi player option only! If you chose to play single player there is NO AI follower!

[joab777]

It isn't the Co op that bothers me but the move away from survival horror. U can include a Co op mode without destroying this issue. But they are moving away from it to a 3rd person action title to create a larger audience. It may backfire. The competition is great right now and they should have stuck to their niche genre. Instead of standing out & awarding their fanbase, they claim they wouldn't even b able to make the game unless it sells 5 million. THEN....don't make it! There's plenty to keep me busy.

[dedicatedtogamers]

EA did to Dead Space what they do best: make a new IP, establish it, get a fanbase, and then turn it into a mainstream mixing pot of all the other popular games in the genre. It should be noted that most of the original Dead Space team (y'know, the folks that made it good in the first place) have moved on to other things.

People should go watch the developer interviews for the original Dead Space. They were constantly talking about how they were designing the game - from the ground up - to be scary. The design team was watching horror movies for inspiration. With Dead Space 3, it's nothing like that. "Oh, the snow makes you cold so that's pretty scary, right? And, uh, we have some big monsters, and now the bad guys can use guns. Scary, right? We added in co-op but, uh, it will still totally be scary, ok?"

Sorry, but Capcom already tried to pull that in RE5. Didn't work. It won't work here, either. Some games really benefit from co-op. Who would have thought that co-op Mario could be so dang fun? But there's a time and a place for everything, and the inclusion of co-op (among many other things) in the new Dead Space seems like a pretty obvious attempt at grabbing the Gears/RE5 crowd while leaving the original fans in the dust.

[BadCircuit]

Excellent summary. Bubbles.

It looks like Lost Planet.

But then I don't mind a bit of action, it's just that too much and it becomes generic.

[Nimblest-Assassin]

I wouldn't have minded the co-op, but they sacrificed too much of what made dead space unique... you are right about the EA summary too.

-Mass Effect
-Battlefield
-Crysis
-Dragon Age

All these games started out so unique, but there sequels fade into obscurity as they try to appeal to the mainstream and become generic

Mass effect- RPG/Shooter hybrid-> shooter
Battlefield- tactical team based shooter-> lone wolf BS
Crysis- open world shooter-> linear shooter
Dragon Age- RPG like Kotor-> hack n slash

And its even more of a piss off because the dev's all say "we are going back to basics" because the end product is not back to basics... it loses the originality the series had

"Above and beyond the call?" BF3 was ruined for weeks since the COD kids bought into it and ruined the dynamic of the game

"Mass Effect 3 is the perfect place to start" -_- really?

Edit: GOD DAMNIT EVEN THE BOX ART LOOKS GENERIC!

Dead space 1: severed hand floating in space
http://pwrcords.files.wordp...
Dead space 2: Isacc close up, dark and dreary background http://cache.gawkerassets.c...
Dead space 3: Every god damn game that has you shooting guns! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r...

^
MW3 box art
Battlefield box art
killzone 3 boxart

Why the hell are they killing great franchises by turning them into games we have already seen?

EA in a nutshell: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[vortis]

ROFL

I never noticed that about the box art before!!!

Wow, the ME3, BF3 and DS3 box art are all practically IDENTICAL!

Amazing. It couldn't get anymore generically curated to mass-market appeal than that.

[Eske]

Damned well put.

I want to believe that gamers will vote with their dollars against this sort of thing, but it seems like the publishers have gotten very skilled at toeing the line of what they'll accept.

I wish that turning every game into Gears of Duty wasn't the smart financial move. But the silent majority keeps on buying 'em when they do, so it's going to keep on happening.

The pendulum will swing away eventually, but it sure is taking a long time to do so. In the meantime, good, promising franchises are getting sacrificed to the almighty dollar. It's a shame.

[gaminoz]

Resident Evil 4 was great because it got a good mix going. I'm not sure Dead Space 3 is heading in the right direction now.

We have lots of 'space marine' shooter games, even co-op (Lost Planet, Gears of War). This seems to have gone away from its roots, big time.

[dazzrazz]

I'll get it used or from bargain bin for $20 since it looks like they moving far far away from DS1 or DS2

[NastyLeftHook0]

bah humbug

[BootHammer]

It definitely seems that most survival horror games slowly migrate to more action in time. The original Dead Space was spot on but I still thoroughly enjoyed the sequel.

I"m still looking forward to DS 3 but hopeful it still has plenty of horrifying events within the campaign even though it incorporates much more action. The drop in/out co-op should be a blast.

[NastyLeftHook0]

Taking horror out of dead space is like taking the speed out of a lambourghini. Its not going to turn out good any way you look at it.

[SeekDev]

Their approach is to add more action, replacing horror, thereby exploding the Lamborghini. There is very little value in 'sploded Lambo.

[vortis]

Unless you're Michael Bay and you slap some 'Splosions™ on it.

[SeekDev]

Well if you are then said 'sploded Lambo will sell like 'sploding hotcakes for no apparent reason.

[Megaton]

You say "change" as if they're doing something new. They're just homogenizing the franchise into the same TPS crap the market is already overloaded with.

[Genecalypse]

Seems every installment they try VERY hard to make the game less scary/horror and more a simple action game. I wouldnt really consider the first Dead Space all that frightening either..but theyre not even trying now. I guess its to be expected horror games are niche and dont sell as well as COD does. So in the end everything must be slowly transform into it

[SJPFTW]

This is not Dead Space. Rather get the remastered Doom 3 if they dont give us fans a proper Dead Space sequel

[CanadianTurtle]

I can't believe that people above are actually okay with co op added into the game. Why take away what made the franchise so unique and appealing in the first place? Why did this have to be Dead Space 3 and not a spin-off?

[Guitardr85]

I know what you mean. It's like games can't have individual flavors anymore but have to instead follow the lather, rinse, repeat evolution of call of gears...

Are there any games that are...you know...different coming out?

[vortis]

Oh well there's....

Hmm...

Yeah, well there's that one....Nope....

Hmm...

Ah, well THQ has...oh right, that's a sequel...

...

Superbrothers: Sword & Sorcery?

[-MD-]

Torrent.

[XboxInnovation]

So we got gears of space and resident evil of gears...fuuuuuu

[AgreeFairy]

True survival horror isn't dead on PC with games like Among The Sleep & Shadow of a Soul.

[gaminoz]

It's like the fun point and click adventure games...they'll only be found on PC now!

[Plagasx]

Lets not forget Amnesia now...

[Rock_On_PS4]

Gears of War is being ripped off by Dead Space and Resident Evil. Both game series fall way short of the epicness of Gears of War.

[Kratoscar2008]

cliffy had said that he BOWORRED inspiration from RE 4 and RE 4 came out before Gears, so i say the one being ripped off is RE 4.

DS is dead friends, only Shinji Mikami can save SH so lets give him all our money.

[WeskerChildReborned]

I think Dead Space 3 will still be scary but probably only on single player.

[Guitardr85]

I call shenanigans!!!

[Moncole]

Dead Space was never a survival horror game, you never had a limited amount of ammo and the games were never scary. Its more of an action game.

True survival horror games are on PC.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

It looks like it'll deliver a intense and deep innovative cooperative experience this time around.

One problem, That's not DeadSpace...

[DeusExer]

I don't think the co-op will be too bad on gameplay, as if the player is playing alone, Isaac himself is alone most of the time as well.

While this adds to the tension, it's still nowhere near the scares of the original Dead Space. With the addition of human enemies and necromorphs that shoot back at you, it's playing to the action vibe. The original (and DS2 somewhat) were more "in your face" titles, as the enemies had to get up close and personal to attack you. Having enemies hunt and stalk you played to the survival horror vibe.

While I can understand the argument that all the stuff Isaac has gone through in the previous games has turned him from simple engineer into all round badass, the game could have been more survival horror orientated if we were put into the shoes of a new character, who has never been introduced to necromorphs.

As many have said, it won't be a bad game, but it's not a true Dead Space game. But then what is?

[--Onilink--]

True survival horror on consoles will now continue with zombiu, they really seem to be focusing on making a scary game.

And well, with "permanent" death, and just looking at your inventory being a risk, they seem to be doing things right

[Treian]

Amnesia and Zwei says hello!!!!!

[WitWolfy]

God DAMMIT EA! Yet another one of my fav franchises you ruined!!!!

[BDSE]

I hate this "don't like change, you're weird" mantra thats rolled out, its intellectually bankrupt. It's more that I DO LIKE Dead Space, this isn't Dead Space therefore I won't be buying it.

Well done EA, you've cocked up another franchise by watering it down in an effort to appeal to the Gears/COD crowd.

[NeoTribe]

If its couch coop ill buy it. If its online only coop ill pass on it.

[Roccetarius]

I'll be waiting untill the game hits the bargain bin. That's the only way to show disapproval of the mainstream direction.

[Raka]

and another game that say bb survival

seems the last of us wil lbe the game taht wil ldefine the survival genre cant wait for this masterpiece

[deletingthis34675334]

Sellout much?

[Raka]

what did u expect anyway

dead space sales was crap
DS1 2mil
DS2 1.11MIL

so they turning this wannabe survival horror game into another gears of wars to make profit
anyways this is the last dead space game since ea said they need 5+mil to make profit from it and we know it wont..so enjoy this game since it will be the last

[NYC_Gamer]

EA always does this to established franchises

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

Let's hope metro last light doesn't get co-op.

[riksweeney]

What annoyed me most has been the change in the dialog:

Dead Space 1: "What the hell was that?"
Dead Space 2: "Oh sh*t, watch out!"
Dead Space 3: "Watch the f*ck out, that f*cking thing's about to f*ck us up with all that f*cking green sh*t it's f*cking flinging our way. Let's f*ck that f*cker up!"

Maybe I'm just getting old, but excessive swearing in games just makes me cringe.

[Bay]

I like change.

Change for the better, that is.

[Kamikaze135]

Then I won't buy it.

[Drabent]

EA next change the input lag in bf3 plz so I can play again^^

[SephirothX21]

I can't see how people don't like survival horror. It is one of my favourite genres. I think it is associated with clunky combat and camera. Though Dead Space 1 had great combat and was survival horror. If it didn't sell well, it was probably because of advertising. Co-op and survival horror can actually work together if done properly but Dead Space 3 does not seem to be heading in that direction. I want to see Outbreak File 3.

Imagine a game where a group of players try to survive different scenarios. They can go it alone or team up and help each other. There is no friendly fire but they can choose to help or abandon each other. There are no checkpoints and no saves. There are numerous ways to escape and enemies do not respawn or spawn out of nowhere randomly (unlike L4D). There are boss fights (non-scripted) and enemies and items can vary for any given map. The main goal is not to get kills or to gain points by doing certain actions but to just survive. Maps can be played numerous times with the experience different every time. Like Outbreak, if any player is bitten by an infected, they begin to turn into one overtime and they can use sprays to heal the infection or prolong the transition to an infected. The player can then play as an infected and try kill the remaining players. If you had this type of game with 4 to 6 players on a map, lagless gameplay and good shooting mechanics, it would be amazing.

[Ravenous_Syn]

It's sad. Nobody wants to give it a chance.

[ATi_Elite]

Yeh right!!! Tell that to the Millions "AND MILLIONS" of PC Gamers playing Day Z right now!!

anyway EA has just screwed up Dead Space and turned it into "Gears of Dead Space: Modern Spacewar 3"

[LOL_WUT]

R.I.P Dead Space

[CYBERHATER]

For the 1000 time!! you can still play it single player!!! What is the deal?

[Naya86]

I honestly do not understand the outcry of disappointment with Dead Space 3 "changing directions". Yeah, the coop is an addition that doesn't fit the previous games' atmosphere, but it isn't a mandatory option. You can still play single player, and John Carver is never with you.