Frontlines Devs: Not Denying Fuels Of War Is Cancelled For PS3?

Reports have come in that Gamestop & EBGames have been notified the PS3 version is canceled, listings seem to have been removed from their respective web sites, and admins on the Kaos Studios forums are not denying it.

Kaos DanMatlack said....

"Don't fret. The xbox 360 version is great!"
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[LightningPS3]

This falls into the dephs of slew. So many damn shooters. I won't even remember this ones name.

Infact, I didn't even know about it till now. If they don't want to bring it to PS3, they don't have to.

I wasn't gonna buy it. What I am planning to buy

Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Gears of War 2

[socomnick]

Im probably going to buy it if it comes out sooner than later I need a bf type game to help pass the time until bf bad company drops.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

cant wait for BF:BC.

@everyone

this will NOT (unless it "AAAA") find anytime to be in my ps3 in 2008, if it is coming out for ps3.

+ I`m still playin COD4.
+ 360 needs some more games for 2008, their sh!ts weak (i`m sorry, but it is)

[mboojigga]

Let me get this straight.

Your saying a game that is being released for both the 360 and the PS3 is being cancelled cause you think because of too much shooters. If they were cancelling it for the 360 MAYBE that would possibly be a very small reason why but for the PS3. Give me a break. You mention Gears of War 2 which is for the 360 but the other 2 games that state to come at the end of 08 and this game is about to release within the next month. All I can say is.......HUH?

[BrianC6234]

Does anyone even want this game? I sure don't. If the PS3 version was cancelled I say so what. It will probably just be a crappy game. I have too many great PS3 games to play now. They'll keep me busy until the really big games come out.

[UnasFortuna]

It doesn't matter how many shooters are out there. I don't think that is a logical reason for cancelling any game on a console. I wasn't too interested in this game in the first place; however, I don't like not having it as an option to buy except for my 360. I love both consoles for different reasons, but I do prefer my PS3. There are only two viable reasons for them cancelling the PS3 version (if indeed they did) this late in the game especially since the release date is around the corner. The first being: They were paid a monetary compensation to keep it on one console. I find this unlikely since from what I have seen of the game...it is not worth MS keeping this title on one console. The second being (and more likely): The developer was having trouble with the programming code on the PS3 and decided not to finish investing money into the project since they couldn't figure how to program properly for the PS3. Will I miss this game...no. If it gets good reviews I can easily buy it for the 360; however, I don't like not having the option to buy it for any console of my choice.

[SRuN4]

Seeing how the game was looking to be a summer launch on the PS3 and seeing the stiff competition they would be having, I'd say it'd be the safe bet to cancel it.

[EastCoastSB]

I wasn't even planning on buying this for either console, it's just another "near future" shooter with no distinguishing qualities. Besides, CoD still has my interest.

[Fade_Walker]

to be honest I wasn't too impressed with the demo anyway, Plus the PS3 has some two top notch FPS this year anyway

[AshleyRiot]

Gameinformer had it as a feb release for PC/360 and a april release on PS3.

[AdolfBinBush]

ive never seen so many cancelation or losing of exclusive for a console.. somthing has to be wrong..

blind faith has its limits.

[calis]

It's all about the money.

[BrianC6234]

What's wrong is lots of crappy developers.

[sak500]

@calis. nobody works for charity in business, well except for BGates.

[ColdWinter]

what exclusives did the ps3 lose?
gta was never an exclusive cuz im playing it on my PC
and MGS4 isnt coming to the 360
its just the competetion thats y this game got canceled

[Snukadaman]

Could this be one of the results of those terrible sales of some games....lets be honest here....most of us thought unreal tournament 3 was a no brainer...something that should of sold more then 500K....could this be the result of how the ps3 needs more time too develop games for since its different..thus that extra money too be spent on development of the game is not worth the sales thats projected...its starting too look like it..
@ bottom..your right...thanks... brian...use unreal tournament as the Number one reason too cancel a game right now...and it being a fps doesnt help much with many on the market right now...i doubt it sells 2 million civnick but it will do respectable.

@heyheyhey..thats you...theres 3 and a half million ps3 owners in america..where halo 3 sold 4 and a half million copies in america alone..theres no excuse for a game of ut3's pedigree too sell lousy on any console......which are 3 and a half million people with the chance too buy games...You might not of been the ones but there were plenty of ps3 fanboys on here claiming that again..ut3 was a system seller...every game down the line is a potential system seller and game sales have shown even people who do own ps3's dont buy those games that are exclusive...you are right ...it hasnt released in europe yet...but you think its going too be a million seller..good luck with that.

[CNIVEK]

"ultimate tournament". It's UNREAL Tournament, doofus. Maybe the reason it's done so poorly, is because PS3 gamers are too ill-informed to know what a game is, to actually BUY it. But don't worry, EPIC...it'll sell 2 million + on for the 360. ;)

[BrianC6234]

Are you retarded? If the game is this close to release does it make sense to cancel it just because some games didn't sell well? No.

[heyheyhey]

oh god you guys have got to stop saying that a) ps3 owners don't buy games and b) stop using unreal as an example

first things first- i have 12 games, not bad for a person who xbots claim is a "movie fanatic"

secondly- unreal hasn't been released in europe yet, now i know that america is the number one fps-crazy land, but still- i am buying unreal when it comes out here in the UK and im sure that others will too

a lot of console owners look for games with substance, story and depth- and UT has none of it, which makes it lose its appeal to the very large RPG-fan market and the market for original games

Somehow i find it hard to believe that a dev would just randomly cancel a version that they have been working on quite a lot, unless they worked out some kind of deal (timed exclusivity most likely) with M$

EDIT: i never said it is definetley going to sell 1mil, i just said that you should wait until it is released everywhere in the world before you write it off as a "poorly selling game"

[liquidsnake]

Mate, first of all. Halo 3 was extremly advertised, UT3 wasnt. 2) Halo came in a time where almost no other FPS game was released. CoD4 took away alot of attention from UT3. 3) The xbox install base in US is 10 million vs an install base at 3.5 milliion for the Ps3. Also assume that half of those aren't even interested in the game and the fact that UT3 isnt even released in EU doesn't really boost the sales.

[Snukadaman]

Liquid snake..you dont know what your talking about...if the xbox 360 version of madden 08 can keep up with the 42 million user base of the ps2...then theres no excuse for ps3 owners...save it for when another exclusive sells lousy...

[DrPirate]

I never heard of this game prior to tonight.

What's it about?

Edit: just did my research for all those interested.

Alright, Frontlines is a game from Kaos Studios, a studio under THQ made up of former Desert Combat Mod team members, and other emplyoees from developers who have focused on shooters.

This is their first game and it's primarily focused on Multiplayer and it's set around the events of a fictious story about East, versus West.

The game boasts 64 player multi-player and wants to redifine team play.

[gamesR4fun]

just might sell this on the 360 seems to me all the online games they have are pretty small...

still this story seems like a lot of hype....

I mean you could quote me too and I say it might be only possible on the ps3 if its has good has they say ;)

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

32 on 360.

[PirateThom]

Another FPS, just what the 360 needs.

[Mr Marbles]

Another canceled game, just what PS3 needs.

[power of Green]

This is comming from a guy that probably has:

RFOM, URT3, COD4 and will be buying, KZ2, Resistance 2 , Battle Field 2 & Haze.

The 360 has hundreds more games so the PS3 actually has many FPS games in comparison. Both consoles in 2007 best games were FPS's and some of PS3's best 2008 line up is made up of FPS's vs the 360 were none have been assumed to be the 360 best games for 2008.

[PirateThom]

Ha, I only have Resistance from that list because it came with my PS3.

The only other FPS games I have (and I mean on any consoles) is Rainbow Six Vegas on PS3, Red Steel on Wii and The Orange Box on 360. Half Life for PS2...

I don't like the genre of FPS bar a few games, like Half-Life or Duke Nukem 3D. Everything else, and I mean everything else, sucks.

So, yeah, don't make assumptions.

[Edwin1989]

the best PS3 game was Uncharted :) that's not, I repeat NOT, an FPS

[IntelligentAj]

Frontlines? With the shooters already on the PS3 does this one game really matter? especially when it wasn't really that big to begin with?

[sak500]

So why were u guys so excited about haze getting cancelled for 360 and becoming ps3 exclusive? now suddenly u hv so many fps' and dont need another one. Frontline is much better than haze.

[heyheyhey]

"frontlines is much better than haze"

the thing that makes me laugh the most is that if haze was never canceled for the 360- you sure as hell wouldn't be saying that

and what are you? some fcuking fortune-teller, how the hell do you know that frontlines is better than haze?

[AngryHippo]

....is average to great matters. Ones that are proven to be absolute garbage then no they don't matter. But don't judge a game just by the type of genre its in. Its always nice to have a large selection of games in a genre than to have a very limited selection.

[ngg12345]

That comment came from a member of the site

[wageslave]

Making games costs money. Money needs to be recovered with sales......anyone.....?

[DJ]

"PS3 owners don't buy games". Too bad there's so much data that proves you wrong, hehe. =]

[ravinash]

Why is it that feel you have to put down Sonys product all the time?
Are you feeling a little insecure about you Xbox purchase?
Why else would someone keep making things up or dredge up old issues that aren't relevant any more.
The devs that count are proving that the PS3 can be programed for and now dev are starting to do the development on the PS3 and porting it over to the 360.

[SlCKB0Y]

1st unreal tounament has had a slow start for 2 reasons first most people were getting or just started playing cod4 which everyone loves.
2nd thier was very little marketing for unreal and it's ps3 release date
was back n forth and some of us were just waiting on some mods to be cooked.
frontlines who cares most of you won't buy this game so stop defending it everyone at my gamestore dropped it in 20 minutes to go back to cod4.

[ravinash]

It hasn't come out outside the US yet, which is where most of the PS3 market is.
I will be getting it when it comes out in the UK next Month.
As the sale will pickup later on in the year with the other releases, I'm sure UT3 will be one game that people will be picking up.

[rob6021]

Played the 360 demo of this, Generic war shooter written all over it, environments are pretty big, but it really doesn't do enough for the game being very generic, having no 'flavor' if you will.

[power of Green]

Agreed!, I played the demo one time before deleting it.

Something about it seems cheap while you can still tell the game could have been great.

Just feels and play with a quality seemingly going backwards to what other games have to
offer.

[power of Green]

Doesn't matter what excuses Sony fans make(no one wants it! or KZ2 or resistance 2 blah blah blah) you must realize the 360 is eating away at the Sony Impire.

Doesn't matter if the game's going to be any good when earning 3rd party allegiance.

Assuming this is even true.

[gamesR4fun]

One good year for the 360 isnt going to dent Sony now if they can keep up what they did in 07 this year and next maybe... But we all know the 360's times come and gone 08 and b3yond belongs to the ps3

[Andronicus]

glad to see that crappy game go, and anyone who disagrees with me hasnt played the demo of that POS on the 360

[SpikeSpiegel]

Although there is still 360 and PC versions available to play. Still with Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Haze, etc. coming out do we really care about one less fps shooter on the PS3? One developer deciding not to release on the PS3 is not the end of the world. Games (exclusive and non-exclusive) are still coming out in a steady stream, so one game wont mean the end of PS3 gaming as so hoped for.

[darkshiz]

This guy has a point.
Bubbles for him.

[Legion]

Not thinking I even have followed this game much. Doubt if I will get it for the the 360. Is it another shooter that is going to slip through the system? This will be a wait and see thing. Hohum... Zzzzz...

I can see how they would cut it out of the PS3 line-up. It will probably pale in 360 sales and would do far worse with the PS3 attach rate.

[Doctor Strange]

I take it people didn't actually read the forum post except for one guy on here. The guy who said don't fret the 360 version is great is just a regular forum member, not an administrator. The administrator is checking to see if this is true.

Before jumping to any conclusions let's wait for an official announcement.

[moodymofo]

the game is made why dont they sell it on the ps3? if it sells 100,000 copies on xbox and only 10,000 on the ps3 its still 10,000 more copies then they would have had

[fjtorres]

Please consider that those hypothetical 10,000 PS3 sales don't come for free. It costs money to port a game.

The short answer is that the *upfront* cost of developing/porting a game and how *fast* it sells matters *more* than how many total lifetime copies it might sell. Remember the Konami comment about MGS4 needing a million day-one sales? Remember all the effort MS made to stoke the Halo and Mass Effect fires?The public beta's on Halo and COD4? All the Assassin's Creed interviews and demos? That was all added cost but it was intended to build up the launch sales.
Launch sales matter. And that brings up the elephant in the room; for whatever reason, UT3 and Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and yes, even Ratchet and Clank, all had slower than *expected* launches. This doesn't mean PS3ers don't buy games; it just means they don't *rush* to buy games. For a smaller developer, this can be deadly. Hence they folded.

The long answer:
1- The game was scheduled for PC/360 in Feb/Mar and summer for PS3. That tells you the game was developed on 360, which shares development tools and a programming model with Windows. Money-wise, this means that the added cost for the dual release is in the 5-10% range.
2- Developing for PS3 is *relatively* more expensive than for the dual PC/360 environment. The tools are different, more expensive, and the programming model is likewise different. So, instead of the traditional 10-20% added cost to port a console game, the PS3 costs a bit more. Not much, but just enough that this particular developer has *apparently* added up the numbers and decided the cost of development would not likely be repaid *fast enough* to justify development.
3- The total amount of sales isn't the issue here: yes, the PS3 has several million sellers, but how long did it take'em to get there? Most of the listed sellers on PS took months to get up to respectable sales numbers. However, most successful games make their development costs in the first few weeks and everything after that is profit. A game that sells slowly early on is riskier because if it doesn't sell well when it is fresh and *hot* it is less *likely* to sell well later. (Insert name of any of dozens of critically-acclaimed Games on any platform that failed to make money.)
4- All we hear is that PS3 is supposed to be getting a flood of games in the second half of this year. Well, if you are a developer not named EA or Activision Blizzard, that should give you pause. Just as Haze and UT3 put the brakes on their 360 versions to avoid running into the Bioshock/Halo/COD4/Assassin's Creed/Mass Effect roadblock last fall, many lesser developers need to be wary of running into the PS3 hype monsters.

5- Add it all up and what do you get? Porting second-tier games to PS3 is risky to start with, under current conditions, it could be deadly to a developer. As pointed out, the game is already starting out as a risky niche product--not a guaranteed seller on either PC or 360--so why bet your company on an installed base that--as seen around here--looks down their noses at shooters? For the record, Frontlines is not a straight skirmish-based shooter ala Halo, COD, Team Fortress, or whatever, but rather it is being promoted as a multi-campaign near MMO quasi-simulation (hence the claimed 64-player, multi-class online gameplay). The game is really primarily targeted to the PC crowd. The 360 is the cheapie port, expected to sell only a fraction of the PC version.
A very risky venture.
The cost and *risk* of going for those extra 10,000 (or whatever) PS3 sales got too high.
If the report is true, the developers found the porting risk too much for them. In poker terms, the ante got too high so they folded.

Most likely this is a Frontlines-specific thing and not going to be an '08 trend for PS3. Now, Wii, that's a different story altogether... >;-)

[Boldy]

Couldn't have said it better myself. No really I couldn't. That was the most comprehensive and thought out post I have ever read on this site. Bubbles for you.

[wizerd]

lol microsoft is eating away at sonys empire? hmm funny how sonys been selling more then xbox 360 worldwide for about 8 weeks now!

[TheMART]

Expect more games to be cancelled for the PS3.

It's just not worth it in the end.

360 units out there: 17.5 mln or so
PS3 units out there 8.65 mln. or so

360 sells 6.9 games average per unit as attach rate
PS3 sells 3.7 games average per unit

3rd party makes no money on PS3, they make big bucks on 360
Simple as that.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

you have been wrong about almost everything you say........

1.MGS4 coming to 360
2.FF13s coming to 360
3.Hd-DVD being better than Blu
4.That Ps3 would NEVER outsell 360
5.That ps3 has NO exclusives
6.Anything else anyone would like to add!

and stats you want cling on to, feel free.

cause that`s all that left.

lol.

[Kain81]

Second no one would Cancle a Game that is already be done.
Release 25.02.2008

[Mr Marbles]

has the release date a couple months after the 360 version, something is wrong.

[DARK WITNESS]

well the devs arn't going to be making any money now.

The demo was rubbish, i can't imagine why any 360 owner would want to buy that game, especially when we have so many shooters to play anyway.

That left only the sony crowed....now if they are not getting it, who is going to buy it.

what a waste of time and money.

[Sayai jin]

This is unfortunate for the PS3.

[cpuchess]

I downloaded the demo yesterday and was very impressed with it. It's unfortunate that PS3 owners won't be able to play it.

[Hades1337]

Probably best it gets cancelled for the PS3 as opposed to getting a sh1tty port of an already generic fps.

[jordan8445]

By 2010 the PS3 will have annihilated the 360 anyway, so fanboy devs won't have a choice but to go for the PS3. Everyone knows its true.

[TheXgamerLive]

First it's so damned expensive to put a game on the ps3, it takes so much additional work to make a game play good on the ps3 that developers are getting there money back on ps3's small sales. Your going to begin to see this more and more, devs. don't want to keep losing money, small install base and even smaller sales on the ps3.

The Xbox 360 is the cash cow and PC doing well.

[JROCK]

They will need us before we need them,who cares another fps.

[liquidsnake]

Is this the game where America is being invaded by germans? Couse if it is its not going to be a loss for me. And it wasn't very surprising either since the dev in the videos seems to be blinded by yankee doodle nationalism.

[IHATEGOD]

Dude go do a little research, or read the posts and you will find out this isn't the game where the germans win WWII. The name of the game is Frontline: Fuels for War. I think, just off the title alone that the game is about fuel, and maybe a war on fuel. So just do some reading or learn how to read.

[TheExecutive]

I could care less whether this game sees the light of day on any console. Its a generic FPS that will be lost in the sea of fps's.

[cellypower]

I will be getting battlefield bad company instead anyway.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Expect more to jump ship, it's not their fault it's yours for buying the movies and not buying the games. You guys talk and talk and talk but you "NEVER" actualy walk the walk. Buy a game or two and you may keep some devs. I wonder if this "don't buy games" PS3 owner trend will extend to FF and MGS4? after all Konami said they need a million to at least make the money back. Do you think it's just the fanboys on sites like this that look at the embarrassing NPD game sales data for the PS3? I the retailers held a gun to your head you will still pick that copy of Spiderman 3 over a game wouldn't you?

You can't blame MS, Kaos or even Sony for this, Nope you only have your own dumb ass selves to blame. They are game consoles dumb asses not DVD players, buy the freaking games.

[Kain81]

What a Fanboy

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yeah your more than welcome to that "whiners club" don't forget your tissues on your way to that ignore list http://www.kleenex.com/USA/... you may need them with that cry fest SDF with you. :) dude if it mattered to me what you thought you would think that at the 7th ignore I would change not at the 147th. All that matters is there is another cowerdly crybaby out there in this world that joins SDF on N4G.

Oh wait what am I saying, you can't read this anyway. LOL :) Add another to that ever increasing huge list of crying Sony PS3rd Droid SDF fans.

"your such a fanboy" what part of the "360" did you not get in my name? the 3, the 6 or the 0 part? or can you count that high?

I can't wait untill I get to 150 ignore because then I get an (((Achievement Unlocked)))

[ElementX]

Ha, that Kleenex link is awesome.

[Says you]

then you think and still growing not even the system that breaks a lot can't conquer it all so yeah you fail in what you said and by the way if PS3 games don't sell how come there is so many multiplatform games that has sold a million except for Unreal Tournament III so you XBox 360 fans keep thinking that and saying that

and you say they don't buy PS3 exclusives well you're sure hell wrong even though you got 10 agrees doesn't prove anything atleast they have standards and don't buy every crappen game that is out there!.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Sony holds an Empire and Microoft holds a Kingdom but Microsoft has all the gold. You should never forget that golden rule "he who has the gold makes the rules" and MS has a hell of alot more gold. Because in their 2nd gen they have taken Sony's crown and just took a dump on it with their green cash.

[gamesR4fun]

lol @ jasonxbot supreme my box is better cause m$ has more money lol youd think with all that cash they could build one that works ;) then again they dont have too with the support of morons like you.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You would think that in that Sony empire that they could find atleast someone to actualy buy a game. You know games, the reason they make these "gaming" consoles? You would also think that in that vast empire that they would be able to hold on, or find some devs to realease some "real" games that you can realy play in "real" life and not such a big promise of what the future "may" hold. You lost this game completly and you lost 2 days in Vegas, in the "same week". That sure is alot of tears and sinse you guys cry alot I expect lots of rain in the forecast. MS uses that gold to aquire all those GOTY games that people seem to buy i "millions" while the PS3 sells games in the thousands and then just stop. :) try harder next time or get an 360 and get some trah taking skills, you suck at it. XD

[sonyfanonly]

WOW WHO CARES IF THEY DONT PUT IT ON THE PS3 THE ORANGE BOX SUCKED ANY WAYS A 10 YEAR OLD GAME ON THE PC HA THAT FAT GUY FROM VALVE HES RETARDED OR SOMETHING NOTHING BEATS MGS 4 FINAL FANTASY KILLZONE 2 RESISTANCE 2 LITTLE BIG PLANET

A LITTLE NOTE TO DEVELOPERS UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY MAKE A GAME WORTH PLAYING DONT DISS THE PS3

[Edwin1989]

I would like to say to you:

SHUT UP, GET LOST, YOU ARE ANNOYING, TURN OFF CAPS LOCK

thank you

[tomfoolery]

You sir.........are correct!
38.1 -
Sony holds an Empire and Microoft holds a Kingdom but Microsoft has all the gold. You should never forget that golden rule "he who has the gold makes the rules" and MS has a hell of alot more gold. Because in their 2nd gen they have taken Sony's crown and just took a dump on it with their green cash.

Pure pnage on the Sony tards n droids that control this once trusted
site.
Good stuff man.
tom