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Is Microsoft Grasping At Straws Now?

We're getting a new Gears Of War game. While this wasn't unpredictable at all, it does raise the question of quality. It seems all too common these days developers would rather stick to sequels, pumping out expansion packs at $60 a pop and then raking in the cash with DLC. But it only continues to push the boundaries, and there doesn't appear to be an end in sight. This follows a pattern that was set by Halo, Microsoft is more than ready to continue development on series' long after the original developers think the time has come to let the franchise die and move on.

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NYC_Gamer4349d ago

MS is just shifting support over to the next console that should be announced next year

BlindGuardian4349d ago

milking in not the problem, the problem is having too few cows to milk

because if you create new cows then you can milk them in the future

palaeomerus4349d ago Show
DigitalRaptor4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

Amusing to see palaeomerus back to his old tricks.

Talk smack about Sony's exclusives all you want. It has zero impact on the millions who love these games and IPs. Just cause they don't sell Halo, Uncharted or Gran Turismo numbers, and aren't household names means little to people who call themselves gamers.

"Few gamers" cared about Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Okami and Beyond Good & Evil but no, i'm sure that those aren't beloved games... Surely... /s

user54670074349d ago

@palaeomerus

What are you talking about..."few gamers care about"

Hell they could announce MediEvil 3 and I would buy it day 1.....and that game franchise was back on the PS1. I still care for it

Kinect4348d ago

lmao so true. I don't blame MS if the fans want more gears, then why not just like PS fans are waiting for UC4 and Sony will definitely provide it.

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rmedtx4349d ago

That's probably right NYC. But that doesn't mean they should stop supporting the 360. I'm sure a lot of people will want to keep it for some time before they can buy a 720. I hated when MS did that to the original Xbox. I was very disappointed...

MrMister4348d ago

Wow, such amazing insight you must have. I didn't know u worked there.

Snookies124349d ago

Lol, it's not only Microsoft... Still, they do need to learn when to let a series end gracefully. Halo 3 should have been the end to the Halo series, not saying Reach wasn't good, but now they're talking about making 3 more games? At a certain point it IS just milking it and there's no denying that whether you like a series or not.

Chuk54349d ago

So when the eventual MGS5 comes out will you say the same?

Snookies124349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

Probably yes, MGS 4 is where it should end. They had the perfect ending to the series.

This coming from someone who loves MGS almost as much as the GOOD Final Fantasy games.

Ethereal4349d ago

MGS5 will not be about snake. I agree that it ended perfectly and his story should remain complete.

fermcr4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

How many Ratchets are there ? (a lot)

God of War ? (2 on PS2, 2 on the PSP, 4 on the PS3 including collections and new GOW)

Mario Brothers ? (to many to count)

Final Fantasy's ? (to many to count)

Call of Duty, Battlefield, FIFA, etc ? (a lot)
...

If the games are good, gamers will purchase them. Are there to many Halo's? No. There are gamers that want more.

Milking is a stupid word used by people that have no idea of what is business.

Genghis4349d ago

Totally agree. All companies like to make money. As long as they think it's something that the public will buy and hopefully enjoy, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT RELEASE ANOTHER SEQUEL???

iistuii4349d ago

Absolutely, if nobody bought them, they'd stop making them.Gears & Halo are great games that I & obviously millions of others can't get enough of, bring em on I say.

ChunkyLover534349d ago

So Microsoft needs to learn how to let a series die, but Sony doesn't? Your okay with God Of War 4? Uncharted 4? Killzone 4? Ratchet And Clank 5? or an Infamous 3? How are those not milked by your definition?

If people want the games, let them have the games. I honestly think people are more upset because they know it'll be a quality Xbox 360 exclusive that will sell well, than because they think the franchise is milked.

The only franchises close to being milked are COD, Assassins Creed, Battlefield, Fifa and Madden. Even so, they still come out with solid titles for those series from time to time.

GribbleGrunger4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

i agree. if there's a market then feed it. i never understand this type of thinking. i never have and i never will. it's the same as when people want 'changes' to a game. you buy a particular game BECAUSE you know what you want and you know what you like, not because you want a different experience!

there is a slight 'but' though. i think the problem is that MS are RELYING too much on Halo and Gears. i don't think there's anything wrong with milking a franchise if there are other first party choices to be made.

Snookies124349d ago

That's exactly why I said "Microsoft isn't the only one".

HarryMasonHerpderp4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

I think the problem with halo is that they released
to many games in a short time,they should spread it out a bit more.

As for MGS it ended on a high note with MGS4 let
it stay that way we don't need an MGS5.
Although i would still buy it anyway haha! hypocrite much!

BlackTar1874349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

yea if MGS4 was the last one i would be happy.

Personally SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

I wanted snake to die. i wanted ti to end when he didn't die i was sad. I love the game i love the charcter have for years but he was set to go and they didn't go thru with it.

@ harry yea i know :( i just kinda wanted to see it end or hear it . Just thougth MGS4 was such a masterpiece to a long time fan that it was enough to see it be the last Snake Adventure on HD consoles. Whatever though it's not like i won't play new ones :) just thought they had a chance to cap off an amazing thing with the amazing game is all

HarryMasonHerpderp4349d ago

Yeah but...

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER! he didn't have long left after all with fox die... =( SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!

HarryMasonHerpderp4349d ago

Yeah kojima has said himself he wanted to kill snake off many times but he just couldn't do it!

I just hope they leave snake now and concentrate
on grey fox the cyborg ninja or big boss.
They could have epic storys with those guys!

aviator1894348d ago

Honestly, if the gamers enjoy further installments, what's the harm? They're just making the people who like those franchises happy. It' simple: if you want to buy it, buy it. if you don't want to buy it, don't.

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Hicken4349d ago

Explain. Or are you just saying that because somebody's questioning Microsoft and you don't like that?

ALLWRONG4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

All you have to do is read it. It's obvious damage control from some commenter here.

Hicken4349d ago

I don't know if I see it as damage control. What damage is the author trying to minimize? He makes a couple of assumptions- that it will likely entice fans but perhaps not be so appealing to the rest of us- but it's not like he's taking fanboy-motivated shots at Microsoft.

I wouldn't say it's the most articulate of articles, but it's not necessarily wrong, especially from the perspective of someone like me, who's very curious to see if Microsoft is going to give me enough reasons to want to buy a second system.

kevnb4349d ago (Edited 4349d ago )

its the state of the console industry right now. Too much reliance on market research on new ips, and way too worried about presenting some epic cutscene heavy plot that probably wont make any sense.
Why cant they learn from dark souls? From software did something they were passionate about, didnt waste millions of dollars on voice acting and other silliness, didnt slap us all in the face with a story but still had one (most gamers dont even care about story, but many do).

Ethereal4349d ago

Sony continues to investing in new IPs. The last of us comes to mind with others such as david cage's new title. Although I agree, more risks should be taken. This generation will be remember for the mass FPS's unfortunately.

vallencer4349d ago

The problem with taking risk are that no one, aside from you or me and some other people, will support the risk. People claim they want new different games and when something does come out no one supports it. Look at kingdoms. Yes I know it plays like other games but it is a new ip. And now the company is closed. Its a shame to see.

Ethereal4348d ago

You make a valid point. This topic can spawn an entirely new conversation of the "gamer" of today. I always look for new interesting IP's as I feel they push the industry forward. Too bad there are so few of us real gamers that respect games as a artistic medium left...

Grimhammer004349d ago

The problem isn't whether a game after many iterations should keep pumping out sequels....

The problem is when the central premise and characters no longer have anything meaningful to say. It's like books or movies......don't make a sequel unless you aim to be better than the original.
Often that means that the sequel is lucky to be as good as the original.

With MGS...it's not going to get better than great. Same applies to Halo.

What's worse is that many games come out with world or universe saving story lines - how do you follow up saving the universe like in Halo? I thought ODDT was a great example of how to do a one off follow up.

Reach was anti-climatic from day 1! Still fun, but was never going to be as good as the other Halo titles. (fps...not that rts abomination)

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Master Chief Became More Than A Machine In 343's Halo

In Halo 4, 5, and Infinite, Master Chief became a more nuanced, human character.

In spite of the Halo series’ struggles, 343 deserves praise for adding nuance and characterisation to the ever-beating heart of Halo - The Master Chief. Playing through Infinite, it's abundantly clear that the events of the current and previous trilogies have irrevocably changed the iconic hero. He’s no longer the ‘blank slate’ that was previously presented by Bungie. He’s a fatigued, damaged and fallible protagonist, and one who is meandering through currents of grief, while reveling in his newfound agency. Giving the Chief a compelling and meaningful voice was no small feat, and 343 should be proud of that victory.

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kingnick410d ago

This article completely misses part of the appeal of the original iteration of character in the original game trilogy. It was the Chief and Cortana vs an entire alien collective. The blank slate Bungie displayed in their games was genius, he was an mysterious hero a wide audience could identify with because he wasn't as clearly defined as most characters.

The books added a lot of lore and backstory but most Halo players just want a fun game with exposition that doesn't get in the way of gameplay, it's why the Cortana level in Halo 3 was derided.

Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty.

BandarHub409d ago

A lot of people give the 343 version of Master Chief a lot of slack.
But Fundamentally he is still the same character, he just has a couple more dialogues. He has not changed in terms of attitude.
"Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty."
And that's what he has done at the end of the day, he did his duty. Watch his partner die, and was ready to destroy the weapon in Halo infinite....he is still the same soilder that everyone remembers

Halo Infintes one was a nice balance between both.

slate91409d ago

Chief and the halo franchise became a joke under 343

Sciurus_vulgaris409d ago

The 343i Master Chief has is based on the books. However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion.

Obscure_Observer409d ago

"However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion."

Which is awesome! I love how Master Chief become more John and less soldier.

Sciurus_vulgaris409d ago

I didn’t even notice my typos,lol

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5 Video Games That Should Have Been Shorter, and 5 That Should Have Been Longer

GB: "Nailing an experience's length is easier said and done, and one way or another, these games left a little to be desired on that front."

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Petebloodyonion452d ago

I always have a problem with games that should have been longer when lasting 8-10 hours.
Here's a question I ask all the time when ppl say that.
How many times have you replayed the story of a great game like Tlou2, GOW, Final Fantasy remake, GTA, Zelda, or any other 20 hours plus game? and usually, the answer varies between 0 and rarely 1.

So what's the point of having great 30 hours plus games if you will never replay them because of level, section, grinding dragging too long?

Lifexline452d ago (Edited 452d ago )

I agree I’m not sure how people find the time to play all these games. 20 plus hour games are great but for me 8 to 10 is the sweet spot. Those games take to long to finish specially when you have a backlog of games waiting to be played. Plus 20 plus hour games always have downtime and unnecessary side quests that can be boring too much fodder imo.

Being on your phone is one thing you can access websites like this everywhere on your phone or mobile gaming. But games you have to find the time to play them. Which is why I don’t understand why so many people want like ten games it seems In a month.

LucasRuinedChildhood452d ago (Edited 452d ago )

I think you're missing the point a bit.

A game can be 8-10 hours long and use that time really well, but it can also only start to get good far into the playthrough and leave the player feeling short-changed.

Hotline Miami is only 4-5 hours long but it's extremely well paced and time well spent. But if only got really good towards the end, I'd want it to be longer.

Stanjara452d ago

You just look at trophies and se that around 20% or less actually finish their games.

CrimsonWing69452d ago

I've replayed all those games except GTA and Breath of Wild because I can never finish them.

The Last of Us 2 i've replayed 4 times. God of War (2018) 2 times, Final Fantasy Remake 3 time (technically Intergrade twice since went on Steam and I wanted 100% achievements), and if we do want to bring in Zelda I've played Ocarina of Time probably 4 to 6 times a few times on N64, another time on 3DS, and twice on virtual console Wii and Wii U.

I am sure I'm not alone in replaying long games and honestly it's like I'm finished within a week or two and that with balancing responsibilities and a social life. Shorter games take even less time.

BrainSyphoned451d ago

Without mentioning Skyrim.. I've got two platinum trophies for Persona 5 and am playing it on game pass right now. Beat FF7R on normal twice and hard once and will play it again before the next one. Non story games- MHW I've made characters on PC/Xbox/PS with at least 600 hours on each platform. I don't care to play a mediocre games that are 8 hours long. The reason my backlog is so long isn't because that many good games are released each year it is because I replay the best ones over and over. Same deal with audio books. I've gone through book series multiple times every time a new one is coming out.

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Soy451d ago

Disagree with Days Gone - yeah it took a while to really get going, but I appreciated it when I was done. Jumping right in at 4-5 hrs or whatever would've made the rest feel less impactful. RDR2 and Mankind Divided felt just right too, I wouldn't change them at all.

What needed less time was AC Valhalla. I was more than ready to be done with that by the time it was 2/3 over. Just too much useless stuff, and I hated the Asgard sections.

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Halo's Identity Problem Began With an Admirable Mess

It’s a law of nature that eventually, every long-running game franchise will have a particular entry that gets dinged for straying too far from what made it so fun in the first place. Your Super Mario Sunshine, your Dragon Age II, Assassin’s Creed III, and so on. Whether or not that opinion changes more favorably over time, the initial specter of negativity will forever hover it. Microsoft’s Halo is no exception, except that negative specter hasn’t hovered over one particular game, but one whole studio.

The3faces530d ago

True Halo 4 was a sign of 343i's incompetence and the decline of Halo.