Dead Space Extraction sales are not good

Smacktard - 72 days 16 hours ago

Mad World would've sold just as badly on other consoles, just like God Hand sold poorly on the PS2.

Dead Space: Extraction sold poorly because it was a rail-shooter on a system plagued with rail shooters. Do something new instead of same-ole.

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gaffyh - 72 days 16 hours ago

Madworld had enough hype to have sold at least more than the Wii version if it was released on either PS3 or 360. I guarantee, if it came out on either console, it would have sold more than it did on Wii.

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SpoonyRedMage - 72 days 16 hours ago

...but it probably wouldn't have got the hype if it was released on the PS3 and 360 as it would just be another bloody hack and slash game and even though it might have sold more on the HD consoles it might not have got the same amount of profit(and yes it was profitable). Also as pointed out God Hand, it's spiritual predecessor on the highest selling console of all time sold at least three times less than Mad World.

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EvilTwin - 72 days 16 hours ago

There's a glut of rail shooters on Wii. Dead Space is a relatively new IP; new/casual gamers don't know about it, core gamers don't want a rail shooter.

As for the MadWorld stuff...umm, it sold niche numbers because it was a niche game (and apparently recently turned enough of a profit that Sega is happy with it).
The Clover/Platinum guys just do this. Okami has been released on the best-selling console of this gen and the last, and it still probably hasn't moved more than half a million copies.

Relatively new IP can work on Wii (No More Heroes, Boom Blox, Trauma Center, Shaun White, etc.), but established IP (RE, COD, TW) is ALWAYS the safer bet, which is why we get so much of it (and it does sell on Wii).

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njr - 72 days 16 hours ago

What do you expect? Although it is pretty sad games like Mario Party 8 and Wii Play outsell it by millions.

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qface64 - 72 days 15 hours ago

hmm dead space + on rails = not so great sales
resident evil + on rails = really good sales
anyone else seeing something here

anyways to be honest im no help i forgot all about this game
but if im gonna get an on rails game id rather get that new resident evil seems alright

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Syronicus - 72 days 15 hours ago

They should have put this ont he real hardcore systems and left the Wii for the silly little casual games. Sorry, but this would have been a day one purchase for me but since the Wii dumped me as a hardcore gamer, I too dumped it. I released my Wii a while ago and won't look back. If they want to make some cash, sell this game in an updated version ont he PS3 and 360. Good gravy!

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mint royale - 72 days 15 hours ago

Well said smacktard.

Okami, one of the best games of all time flopped on the ps2 for god's sake.

If the game was advertised and not a crappy on rail game it would have done much better.

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MEsoJD - 72 days 14 hours ago

but that doesn't mean the majority of their customers purchase games at

a constant rate. Most buy a wii for wii sports and leave it at that.

Games like madworld would of done great if they were on psn or xbox

live marketplace.

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ico92 - 72 days 14 hours ago

wii play sold 21million excuse my french but thats a FU*KIN joke

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Product - 72 days 13 hours ago

so EA is going to blame customers for poor sales of a lightgun game with almost no replay value?

Not to mention that NO retailers outside of gamestop even had the game. No Walmart, Target or Best buys in my area even have it in stock

Sorry but until devs start treating the wii with respect i could care less about your sales and this coming from a guy who bought the game,loves it,but realizes it should only be a rental

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Mahr - 72 days 11 hours ago

Geez, I knew this story was coming, but I really didn't think it would be this silly.

In the first place, did anyone -- *anyone* -- actually look at the story? The *entirety* of the article is 'some guy on Neogaf claiming to be a game programmer has said the game hasn't sold well'.

Hey, great evidence right there. Who needs numbers or official statements when you have some dude on an internet forum claiming that he's one of the game's programmers? I mean, it's not like there are people on the internet who claim to be things they're not all the time.

I'm curious, does everyone here actually *believe* it when they get emails saying they've won the Venezuelan National lottery?

"Hardcore games, new IPs that is not Mario or Zelda, DO NOT sell on the Wii."

If either of those statements were true, developers would stop trying to make those kinds of games for the Wii.

"Why do they find this surprising?"

Assuming that Guy On Neogaf was telling the truth -- it would be 'surprising' because previous games in the same genre with the same style of gameplay on the same system were fairly, and in some cases *extremely*, successful.

"If they understand, then games such as Dead Space Extraction, Mad World, and other hardcore games would also be on the PS3 and Xbox 360."

Er, not really. Both games were fairly dependent on motion controls, particularly Extraction, which was a lightgun game. Maybe it'll be a different story when the HD motion controls come out, but as is, people would have to use a gamepad to play it. Believing that a lightgun game playable only with a gamepad would sell anything even remotely acceptable in terms of numbers is probably the most insane thing I've read all day.

As for MadWorld, Sega's said that that game was an experimental success, so I don't know why anyone's complaining about that anymore. I mean, official statements from Sega executives to the press clearly aren't as solid as something like a random Neogaf user to everyone here, but come on.

"Dead Space: Extraction sold poorly because it was a rail-shooter on a system plagued with rail shooters."

The system is not 'plagued' with rail shooters like Extraction (i.e., lightgun style); there are something like five others, two of which were arcade ports, and one of which isn't even out yet.

"Madworld had enough hype to have sold at least more than the Wii version if it was released on either PS3 or 360. I guarantee, if it came out on either console, it would have sold more than it did on Wii."

Madworld would not have worked with a gamepad. I guarantee it would have sold less -- Wow, making declarative statements without any form of evidence to back them up sure is easy.

"so EA is going to blame customers for poor sales of a lightgun game with almost no replay value?"

EA is not blaming anyone. The whole story is someone on a random game message board claiming to be one of the devs saying "it's a shame". The only people blaming anyone are the usual knee-jerk crowd trying to find something to complain about.

Look at this.

"Confirming what we already EXPECTED, a NeoGAF user BELIEVED to be Louis Gascoigne, a programmer at Visceral Games, has said that "nobody bought" Dead Space: Extraction, LIKELY meaning the game has not met sales expectations."

Wow, what a confirmation.

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mrnintendo96 - 72 days 11 hours ago

The reason I don't intent to buy it is:

1. It's a rail shooter, crappified for the Wii.
2. The developers didn't call it a rail shooter, they called it a guided first-person experience. That is BS.

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Product - 72 days 5 hours ago

@mahr
i usually agree with you but codecow indeed works at visceral just as capkraig(which also uses neogaf) works 4 capcom. Many devs actually use neogaf, hell even pachter and jaffe use it. just saying.

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Mahr - 72 days 4 hours ago

"i usually agree with you but codecow indeed works at visceral just as capkraig(which also uses neogaf) works 4 capcom"

If true, then I apologize. However, as I'm not familiar with neogaf, I'm fairly curious as to how this was verified.

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Product - 72 days 2 hours ago

Oh Mahr..

Link to twitter:
http://twitter.com/codecow

Here is his creditials:

Current work:
Sr. Software Engineer III at Electronic Arts

Past work:
Software Engineer at Konami Computer Entertainment America
Software Engineer at Radical Entertainment, Ltd
Junior Software Engineer at Engage Games Online

Education:
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Irvine

Need more proof go http://www.linkedin.com/pub...

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Mahr - 72 days 2 hours ago

http://www.diyplanner.com/f...

I'm sorry, coach, I've blundered.

...I'll take a lap, now.

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Product - 72 days 1 hour ago

lol you don't need to...although Linkdln is a great site to double check to see who people are in the industry. I checked him a couple months ago ;)

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Razzy - 72 days 16 hours ago

Silent Hill is another game that probably won't do to well on the Wii since it's geared towards a mature crowd.

I'm planning on picking up the PS2 version though.

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monkey602 - 72 days 16 hours ago

Unfortunately you're probably right. At least I'll be able to enjoy it myself. Hopefully Halloween will boost these games sales

Didn't realise there was a PS2 version

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Razzy - 72 days 16 hours ago

According to IGN's website they're also making a PSP version. I'd say Konami must've been a bit concered about the sales of the Wii version & decided to develop the game for multiple platforms.

http://wii.ign.com/articles...

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butterfinger - 72 days 16 hours ago

exactly how I felt about it. That's why I won't be picking it up. It's not anything like the PS3/360 version. I'd rather have full control of my person, personally. Rail shooters were fun in the arcade days though. :)

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EvilTwin - 72 days 16 hours ago

Yep. New IP is always risky. But if you're going to do it, it's kinda foolish to go on saturated ground (RE and HotD) and expect the same sales as established franchises that have already been released months/years in advance.

Perhaps if they had made a PROPER Dead Space game, it would've stood out more because the Wii is starved for good TPS.

Casual gamers don't know about Dead Space, and most core gamers don't care about it as a rail shooter. Especially at full price.

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micro_invader - 72 days 16 hours ago

When did this happen?

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PLAYSTATIONGENRATION - 72 days 16 hours ago

There are plenty of hardcore games on 360..

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cliffbo - 72 days 16 hours ago

'Kids games = Wii
Normal games and fun = Xbox 360
Hardcore and superhardcode = PC and PS3'

i can see what you're trying to say there but it's wrong

Kids games and fitness games = Wii
Normal games and Hardcore = Xbox 360
family games, fun games, Hardcore and superhardcode = PC and PS3

is closer to reality

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monkey602 - 72 days 16 hours ago

and plenty of fun games on the PS3

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n4f - 72 days 12 hours ago

i didnt know there was a super hardcore...

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scissor_runner - 71 days 21 hours ago

Lol the HD consoles are more for kids that can not afford real pc.

The wii is traditional hardcore with full support of 2d game wii sports is even a throw back to nintendos game and watch handheld games. Without the wii we wouldn't even get megaman 9 or red steel 2 or HD gaming trying to get motion control right.

I've said it before the hardcore online that shun the wii are the new comers that for some reason will not upgrade to a real HD system which is a pc. The stuff you guys call fun is the same stuff that is killing the pc market.

The new comers on the wii are more like gamers from the 16bit era because they are looking for fun games not statis symbols. I have yet to see a game on the Hd consoles that actualy caught peoples attend at a public kiosk or even while playing at home. Some thing is broken and shallow about HD gaming right and I think it has slot to do with it's fans giving it false support. Which is buying millions of copies and then trading them in, frankly be because there is no replay value.

More adults play the wii now than any other system ever. The system is very healthy for gaming because the hardcore have forgotten what console gaming and arcade gaming was about.

Take away movie play back from Sony and you get ps3 sales for the ps2. Every one knew this because sony still does not know how to make games for the traditional hardcore the guys who funded the 16bit era.

I also see why some are angry it is going to take the 90-96era nintendo to fix this. Nintendo had to find a new way because of ps newcomers and fustraded pc gamers. They needed some thing but nintendo makes games not simuilators. Ms makes sims and so does Sony. Those are not fun and pertty graphics without game play equals crysis which still blows away every thing out yet it's no fun to play because of it's map design and game play.

There is a reason why HD gaming is not spreading the way it should, gamers don't buy systems for features they buy them for games. This is the main reason why wii sports is kicking so much azz. It just don't have any other true games to compete with.

If you have been following this gen you will see lots of unhappy HD gamers living off of the hype of future games rather than being happy playing what they have.

You guys sound more like sales men than gamers also. A gamer does not argue about what is better they just show you game play. Opinion is like trash see and is video game gold. Hype is empty till we get the game in front of us.

If these HD guy do not get their act together they will not survive next gen. So far they can steal ideas but for some reason they do not understand fun or video games.

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JustinSaneV2 - 64 days 13 hours ago

Here, let me fix that for you:

Wii = Casual
PS3/Xbox 360 = Hardcore
PC = "Super Hardcore"

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ico92 - 72 days 13 hours ago

in the 1st part of your comment you basicly said why it failed

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monkey602 - 72 days 13 hours ago

What rail shooter are you talking about?

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hatchimatchi - 71 days 23 hours ago

You were on to something with your first sentence but after that...not so much.

The reason why DS: Extraction won't sell is because the first game wasn't on the wii. If you only own a wii, you probably haven't played Dead Space. Not to mention that Extraction blows. The game is horrible and i have no idea how it has received good reviews. Yes i bought it, there is no replay value, it's short as hell and Umbrella Chronicles (which i also own) crushes Extraction is every aspect. The wii is an awful system, i don't why i even bother buying games for it. The most use i get out of it is when my girlfriend comes over and plays tetris party from the wiiware channel.

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scissor_runner - 71 days 21 hours ago

No guys he is completly right. The wii is such a great system that a game like this can not stand in the same room as say tetris which is traditional hardcore and no gimicks.

HD gaming has made developer backwards thinking almost. If you take the bright colors out of a nintendo game and add blood and nudity then you have games that no HD game could even compete with game play wise.

Extraction or dead space was forgotten during the me too fps phase of HD gaming which still has not ended. You guys trip me out thinking that gaming is about evolution or something, it's about fun , sega use to do that.

Another thing is gaming just like pc gaming and c64 have become more political due to them trying to reach higher budgets and older gamers with gimmicks rather than fun.

I'm ready for a few more devs to close there doors. It clear that there needs to be a reboot of the industry. Too many people that don't understand it.

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oobob - 72 days 13 hours ago

***"Now it seems this game is actaully a rail shooter so screw that i wouldnt waste my money on this lol."***

Haha - exactly. Yet every moron posting here says it's because hardcore gamers don't have a wii. Us rail shooter fans are a niche. Honestly this game is good but HOTD 2 and 3 blow it apart for gameplay length, fun, enjoyment, price and just about everything else but story and graphics. And the story in HOTD 2 and 3 is hilarious and the graphics are good enough for me to know what to shoot. I can get a solid rail shooter "Wild West Guns" for 10 dollars on wiiware. There are like 7+ total for the system. Only rail shooter nuts will spend money on more of the same.

Here are some wii sales figures:

HOTD 2 and 3 Return: > 1m (it's a dreamcast and xbox port for god's sake)
Call of Duty 3: > 1.2m
Call of Duty WaW: 1.3m
RE4: > 1.5m (a last gen port)

These games sell if they're established franchises known for quality. What exclusive wii owner knows about dead space?

HOTD Overkill sold more than blazblue COMBINED on both systems. This isn't a problem of lacking a hardcore audience. The only people who think that don't own a wii.

It's not a bad game. Way better than Umbrella Chronicles (UC lacks CALIBRATION). But to judge the wii based on this when dead space didn't sell that well on the HD consoles and dev costs are so much lower is a joke. And honestly...we beat the first level and liked it, but we stopped to play other games first. My gf and I put 50 hours in HOTD 2 and 3 unlocking everything and gathering items and new guns by comparison.

Extraction has more story than shooting in the first chapter. Yeah...explore the Dead Space universe...you guys haven't made many rail shooters, have you? The most story I want in my rail shooters is HOTD Overkill - in cut scenes and overlaid while shooting zombies. Personally I prefer "G's bloodstains" and "Please be safe G" as the sole dialogue in a level.

Guys, you can't keep copying Sega if you want to make money. Quit with the rail shooters (personally I love em but stockholders dont) and leave it to the ARCADE manufacturer. Think up something original or get out of here! A standard game like dead space does better on hd consoles...you want an original game like Boom Blox or a nintendo title, then that belongs on the wii.

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EvilTwin - 72 days 13 hours ago

oobob -- Yep. Rail shooters are a very small segment of the market, and they've already been represented on Wii in quite a few games.

Visceral had the chance to fill in a gap with a killer TPS, but they chose to walk on occupied ground.

A shame, really.

That said, it's possible the game ultimately sells decently. Anyone who thought Extraction would be a big-time first week seller doesn't know much about Wii games. They profit on long legs. Even the big guns like Mario.

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oobob - 72 days 13 hours ago

"That said, it's possible the game ultimately sells decently. Anyone who thought Extraction would be a big-time first week seller doesn't know much about Wii games. They profit on long legs. Even the big guns like Mario."

You're entirely right here. I should have mentioned that.

I honestly don't get why journalists, devs, and industry people besides Nintendo and Sega don't get this. It burned them with NMH and Boom Blox already. Those are third parties, but we can even compare Nintendo sales by looking at wii music. It had "bombed" at launch...now it's at 2.5 million.

I don't even get this selective attention to initial sales forced from the HD consoles to the wii. It's obviously not the same model and anyone who completed the most basic mathematical modeling class (or even graphed the sales numbers in excel) would realize that.

It would be interesting to see the internal numbers from Sega showing responses in sales to price drops. Like Madworld and HOTD Overkill. Can you maximize the profit function at a lower price? 50 is a pretty arbitrary number for the cost of every new game and it seems Sega realized that. What honestly shocks me is that The Conduit is still 50 a lot of places and almost never lower than 40...I would kill to know their profits for that game.

Without any predictions, I do honestly wonder whether it will require a price drop for games like extraction to be profitable. 50 is an arbitrary number...profit functions are far from arbitrary. If all games are 50 then length of gameplay/content (aka value for the price) will determine more of the sales. This has only a little gameplay. But for 30 or 20 dollars would it sell enough extra copies to make a profit? Is that what gamers think 6 hours is worth for a non-AAA title w/o multiplayer?

I would kill for those numbers.

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EvilTwin - 72 days 12 hours ago

You'd think that NMH would be the biggest sore thumb here, the one that made people go "oh, wait a sec here..." but it hasn't.

A super gory, super niche, hyper stylized beat 'em up ends up selling pretty darn well after being completely written off as a failure...and no one seems to remember it. Short memories in the gaming industry, I guess.

Conduit has probably done quite well, too. A small-time developer like HVS? Spending maybe two years on a game that sells at least 250,000 out of the gate? C'mon.
But people focus on the first week/month exclusively, for some reason. I mean, Mario Galaxy would've been a relative failure had people only paid attention to its first month.
Wake up, folks. Halo has huge first week sales for the same reason that big action movies do. Compare that to something like Michael Clayton, a movie that was supposed to profit over time (and did).

The point you make on pricing is really interesting. Because $50 or $60 is an arbitrary standard. Why do people think something like Zelda or GTA, games that take years and years to develop and have 50+hours of gameplay, should cost the same as Extraction?
I'll be the first to admit, MadWorld didn't appeal to me at $50. It's $20 now at the local Wal*Mart, and I'm going to buy it soon. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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-x.Red.x- - 72 days 13 hours ago

you should do stand up

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