Metal Gear Solid: Rising won't use MGS4 Engine

Genesis5 - 150 days ago

Well no kidding that engine was optimized for the cell.

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Greywulf - 150 days ago

Honest question here. Because my jaw is honestly on the ground at the level of ignorance.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the most advanced game engines ever made for a gaming console. The only thing to improve on is to make the game stream, but unfortunately for the 360, No games have been shown to stream with a heavy graphical loads without chugging or using loading gimmicks like elevators/hallways. And multiplats have a uphill battle since streaming for 2 specifications, which includes 1 unit without a hard drive, is a tall order.

Let me guess, A.I/brown was no problem for the Gears of War audience right?

Pretending Metal Gear Solid 4's engine isn't remarkable is one thing, but then pretending that the color has anything to do with the engine is another.

Thats just, sad.

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Nevermind, you've clearly never played MGS4. Each Act had its own color harmony. the opening act was brown. Hell an entire part of the game is white. Yet, you're all dying to play Metal Gear.

And in all fairness, this proves that the 360 can't run PS3 engines. but the PS3 can run 360 exclusive engines perfectly fine, sure with aliased edge here, and a rough texture there. But runs it never the less. Not sure why you guys aren't catching onto that. They have a complete engine working on a ps3, which created one of the worlds most graphically advanced engines..

That wont run on the 360. This throws all the multiplatform comparisons out the window with the simple choice of konami deciding its more cost effective to not try to get the Year old MGS4 engine running on a 360. But that a middleware solution will be better. Where as other developers easily PORT 360 engines to the PS3.

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RememberThe357 - 149 days 23 hours ago

Yeah, you never played MGS4... Go to sleep.

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lloyd_wonder - 149 days 22 hours ago

MGS4's engine can't run on the 360. Fact.

MGS4 looks better than any game out.

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ApocalyPS3 - 149 days 22 hours ago

not a credible source anyway, but...come on! that's to be expected.

kojima optimized the hell outta the engine in place for mgs4 on ps3. but the very same can be done xbox 360, you guys are SO way in over your heads. a game engine is a suite of code, that's all. kojima and his programmers worked with ps3 to get the best possible results. the same thing that EVERY dev does when they build a game, it's just part of the process.

the engine they build for MGS Rising is going to be different. ps3 and x360 are different machines.

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KnaveX - 149 days 22 hours ago

360 cant run this game, go stick the bluray dics in the dvd drive, see if it plays, cause it cant.

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Tony P - 149 days 22 hours ago

Here we go again.

"Another reason MGS:R will suck."

Because they're developing a multiplat engine to run a multiplat game instead of forcing an engine developed specifically for one console on every other platform. Yes, that sounds like devs planning to make a crap game.

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SixTwoTwo - 149 days 22 hours ago

Graphical downgrade confirmed =(

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blackpanther25 - 149 days 22 hours ago

Go and watch gameplay videos in HD on youtube. Nobody gotta show you Sh!t. If you really want to know if the game looks good then you will check it up yourself cause there is a lot of in-game pics at neogaf

Here you go have fun looking through 20 something pages of in-game pics. I don't have time to be going through all those photos to show to someone who won't open his eyes to look
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

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NNNW - 149 days 22 hours ago

lol

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Sarcasm - 149 days 22 hours ago

lol, it's "BULL SHOTS" not "Bullet Shots"

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phosphor112 - 149 days 22 hours ago

Those aren't Bull Shots! Those are all in game. The game features 4xAA making the game look smooth. Also, graphics aren't the only reason why MGS4 wouldn't work on the 360. That game has a really powerful AI, hundreds of textures to become camouflage to, a large sound track, lots of high quality dialogue and sound effects (7.1), and over 70 high quality weapon models.

Cut-scenes don't take up that much space. It's only scripting since its all done in real time/in-engine, not pre-rendered. That's why cut-scenes will fade into gameplay with no graphical change. Play the full game in 1080p, and you will be amazed at the audio/visual and technical fidelity. It's unmatched.

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Homicide - 149 days 22 hours ago

Tekken 6's engine was also optimized for the cell, but it's coming to 360 :)

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gintoki777 - 149 days 22 hours ago

those aint no bullet shots thats how the game is

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gintoki777 - 149 days 22 hours ago

also he is going to be working more deeply on the ps3 VERSIOn there was an article today stating that when discussing peace walker.

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Rob0g0rilla - 149 days 22 hours ago

Well, I'll tell you this. If you played the game, then you wouldn't be requesting non "bullet shots", lol.

Besides, how can you determine if [enter game here] can run on [enter console here] by looking at pictures? That doesn't make much sense, especially if you haven't played the game. You can't determine that by pictures.

And MGS4 looks exactly like those pictures. It looks better in motion, and the in-game cutscenes look fantastic. Overall the game is very polished but I don't expect you to know that since you haven't played it.

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CWMR - 149 days 21 hours ago

MGS4 was a good looking game but nowehere near as good as Ps3 fanboys claim. There are lots of games that look just as good: Resident Evil 5, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock and Uncharted to name a few.

I am glad that they are building a new engine. Metal Gear Solid Rising will probably look better than MGS4 and it will look better on the 360 than on the PS3.

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theEnemy - 149 days 21 hours ago

haven't played MGS4, so you don't know sh1t.

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IaMs12 - 149 days 21 hours ago

i still think its freaking hilarious how everyone is now dissing this game, but before was all hoping and wanting it to be a Raiden game. Now that it is, oh and on Xbox, they hate it. Grow up!

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kazan - 149 days 21 hours ago

dude i really feel sorry for you and i never did for anyone on this site before LOL, you'er so desperate ,, go play the game and see for your self and stop whining..

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Qui-Gon Jim - 149 days 21 hours ago

So you say "no bullet shots," then you say "bullet shots look smooth and have clean edges." So if it looks as good as MGS4 actually looks, you will call it a "bullet shot" and if it looks bad, then you will say it's proof that MGS4 doesn't look good. That's quite the trap you've laid there.

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7ero H3LL - 149 days 21 hours ago

lol at blackpanther25

i find this very funny,

http://i39.tinypic.com/jrfz...
http://i40.tinypic.com/5bze...

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Jaces - 149 days 21 hours ago

Yeeeaahh....cause last time I played the mechanics and AI was just horrendous.

Tell me you at least played the damn game, probably not but its good to know that your comments can't be taken seriously and only offer up a good laugh and then we move on...

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blackpanther25 - 149 days 21 hours ago

that pic is funny as hell.....you know some people have too much time on their hands lol. That was a little surprise for MGSR but he didn't look at all the pics. But you gotta admit that is one fine IN-GAME a$$ lmao you can't blame them for appreciating it. but the chicken.....hey what can i say.....there are 14 pages of pics taken by people it was just an example of just typing mgs4 into google. There are better pics there, but why would i waste my time adding links

Edit: +bub for catching that

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Raiinstorm81 - 149 days 21 hours ago

Anyone seen the peace Walker trailer recently? a 5 flashes on screen in the beginning. then at the end a number count up 1-2-3-4-5 then the letter "e"

MGS5 is peace walker??
MGS5 @ E3 2010 PS3 exclusive? (just because this is in the PSP exclusive trailer)

Or does anyone know the real meaning???

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Game13a13y - 149 days 21 hours ago

was anyone actually surprised by the fact that the MGS 4 engine could not be handled by the lower performance/outdated/last-gen hardware 360?

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cereal_killa - 149 days 20 hours ago

And what game is that? your NOT GETTING MGS4 your getting a spin off game that even Kojima could care less about M$ thew there big fat cheque book at Konami and begged for a Metal Gear game Kojima probablly said "Fruck No Solrid Snake will stay on the PSfree My MGS bteam will make a spin off game that has Raiden".

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7ero H3LL - 149 days 20 hours ago

i'm wondering why few are considering the "what if" what if it does look better, since there's no pic of what it looks like no one can say that it won't.

i think we need to be down to earth here, it's getting to the point where we can't even hash the possibilities.

if konami can make a psp game look good then what makes people think that they can't make this mgsr game look beautiful.

my eyes were wide open when i saw konami's "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow" which is a multiplat.

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MentalKing666 - 149 days 20 hours ago

wtf i never said that mgs4 was going to the 360........im talking about mgs rising and i got mgs4 the day it came out.
why would u say im not getting mgs4???

edit: u were assuming that i was a 360 fanboy lmfao!!!!!!!

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Bathyj - 149 days 19 hours ago

Dont like brown games, dont like green games.

Man the more you idiots talk the more I'm sure I'm on the right side.

And WTF is a bullet shot? You just made that up you jerk. They're BULLSHOTS !

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ThanatosDMC - 149 days 18 hours ago

Just FYI, it's called BULLSHOTS... not bullet shots.

Read what Sarcasm wrote.

Also, MGS4 actually looks smooth and clean. I guess, i could see why you think it's fake since it's too good to be true. You should play the game and see the epicness of it all.

Rex vs Ray was the best fight... eerr... Solid vs Liquid Ocelot... err... nvm too many great moments in that game.

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soxfan2005 - 149 days 18 hours ago

@1.3

Congratulations. With your comment, you have officialy dragged fanboyism to a new low. MGSR will be a MAJOR multi-platform release - which includes PS3. Yet you are hoping it fails - therefore actually hoping a major game for YOUR console fails solely because a good MGS game on PS3 would also mean a good MGS game on 360, and that is just a repulsive thought to you and the 51 people who agreed with you. You and your kind apparently feel that the PS3's lineup is not strong enough to stand on it's own merits vs. the 360's lineup, so you have to try desperately to disparage the 360's games and convince other morons that a 360 MGS is simply incapable of being a great game.

I believe the saying is "cut off your nose to spite your face".

It's kinda funny too that you seem to hate the 360, yet 90% of your comments are in 360 threads. You seem conflicted. Ever see "American Beauty"? Chris Cooper's character? That's who you remind me of - a person who spews hate speech about something in order to hide that fact that he secretly likes it, and is just too repressed to admit it. Or is the PS3 just not worth your time to post about?

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fishd - 149 days 18 hours ago

"Bullet shot"

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Murderdolls - 149 days 14 hours ago

You're easily the most negative person I've ever seen in my life.

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na2ru1 - 149 days 6 hours ago

Just whining and whining and so poorly designed just like the 360 fanboys and its console.

But he was pretty cool in MGS4, although still emo'ee.

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Dante43 - 149 days 14 hours ago

You some kind of moron?
Mgs4 isn't possible on Xbox360 because it 50gb of uncompressed goodness, if they were to port it to xbox, they had to compress and make multiples disc, and this would downgrade the graphics and overall goodness.

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Murderdolls - 149 days 12 hours ago

You almost know what you're talking about.

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Major_Tom - 149 days 11 hours ago

Yeah because Xbox Fanboys are so ahead of everyone else in terms of intelligence right? Go back to watching the bottom of your Avatars foot.

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Murderdolls - 148 days 23 hours ago

That literally made no sense in this particular discussion.

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Batzi - 149 days 13 hours ago

dude, first of all MGS4 was done on a dual-layered BDR and not a 200GB one. Yes, according to Kojima Productions, they are working on doing a better game overall in terms of graphics and the rest of the game's aspects. Kojima Productions always have given us top notch quality games when it came to Metal Gear Solid. Every MGS game released was proven to look and play better than the previous one. It's a fact and already proven in the past that KOJIMA productions will always move forward and never go backward in developing games specially when it comes to METAL GEAR SOLID.

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Shane Kim - 149 days 6 hours ago

Lol ultimate, that video is 100% a target render.

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Batzi - 149 days 12 hours ago

oops sorry, I must've missed the "if" :$

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Major_Tom - 149 days 11 hours ago

Nothing like waking up to Jealous Xbox Fans in my cup of coffee in the morning!

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LiViNgLeGaCY - 149 days 7 hours ago

Just by reading that I now know that you're an extreme fanboy with his green goggles on. MGS4 looked, and played absolutely fantastic.

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Dante43 - 149 days 5 hours ago

Your retardation just made my day.

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Batzi - 149 days 12 hours ago

I have to agree. what an idiot.

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Etseix - 149 days 8 hours ago

thats the line ive been searching for
---NO??? Snake??? NO Kojima??? WTF???---

a metal gear SOLID game whitout SNAKE, may suck
then, NO KOJIMA? again- fails, MG is the best game only on Kojima's hands :p

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Dante43 - 149 days 4 hours ago

Read our F*CKING posts you retard, we say that it impossible to do MGS4 type of game on Xbox360 because of it limited capacity. Learn to read and then start talking dumbsh*t.

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