Judge games on quality, not size - Epic's Capps

ukilnme - 496 days 7 hours ago

Indeed, HS is still my favorite PS3 game.

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marinelife9 - 496 days 6 hours ago

Is Capps trying to hedge GeOW2 against Resistance 2?

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juuken - 496 days 6 hours ago

I agree.

So...what are they trying to say, that Resistance 2 will be crappy?

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morganfell - 496 days 6 hours ago

Yes, this is a preemptive remark for the inevitable comments about the brevity of Gears 2 particularly in relation to Resistance 2. I think it is humorous that Insomniac has been mum on the comparison but Epic launched the first volley with the Clifford Blezinski comments.

And yes there is a reason for such remarks. Smell that? It's called fear.

@death, you are exactly right. Heavenly Sword was a remarkable game much maligned for it's length which is in fact longer than non players realize. All the same, do not expect any PS3 owners to relent on a lashing that is deserved.

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Tobias123 - 496 days 6 hours ago

That's because Ted Price knows that Insomniac is making a good game, and doesn't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops, because he knows that the fans will buy it.

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Lost_My_600_Dollar - 496 days 6 hours ago

I think Heavenly Sword was a good game but not great

@ juuken

I love Insomniac , they are really great developer looking forward to kick your Butt in R2 =P (jk)

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games4fun - 496 days 6 hours ago

where are all the great scores for Heavenly sword then? 80% of reviewers marked it down at least a full point if not more.

HS was awesome and the graphics were great. the level toward the end where you fight the oncoming army i forgot how many there were, it was around 1000 i think was starting to make my eyes hurt from not blinking.

EDIT: 600 dollar is a troll bubble him down

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Jenzo - 496 days 4 hours ago

If Heavenly Sword had multiplayer it might have had more replayability. As it stands now and when it was reviewed it's about 5 hours then you're pretty much done with it.

@Morganfell - Reviews, awards and sales will tell which game is the better between Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2. I still think it's kind of a weird comparison considering they don't have much in common other than being flagship titles. This holiday will be interesting...and good times for gamers.

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juuken - 496 days 4 hours ago

"If Heavenly Sword had multiplayer it might have had more replayability. As it stands now and when it was reviewed it's about 5 hours then you're pretty much done with it."

I'm sorry Jenzo but you need a good pimp slap.

Gears and Heavenly Sword are two different genres. One is a shooter/action/adventure, and one is an action/adventure with freakin swords.

I don't think Heavenly Sword needed multiplayer to have a better score. If it was longer, it would have had an even higher score.

It's still a good game regardless.

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Jenzo - 496 days 4 hours ago

@juuken - You sound like you've gotten one too many. I wasn't comparing Heavenly Sword to Gears. Both games were good and could have been longer but makes Gears different is that it has multiplayer, online co-op and achievements. Since it's also one of the most played games on Live, comparing it's replayability to Heavenly Sword feels silly.

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morganfell - 496 days 4 hours ago

Jenzo, I am not a great gamer but I am better than average. Heavenly Sword, a game I really like took me a half hour longer than HALO3, a game I really like. I have no friends on my list that came close to the 5 hour mark for HS. In short, that just isn't accurate at all.

Second, despite all of the arguing in which we all engage, the individual is the final word on which is the best game, not reviews or sales. Sales matter and scores do matter because it affects sales and publishers willingness to pay for a second installment or drop money on a studios next venture. Scores and reviews influence many buyers as well and that makes a difference.

What is the replay value on R2 versus replay on Gears 2? We don't have all the details yet but if the Gears and Gears 2 campaigns are similar and the Resistance and R2 lengths are comparable, add in the 8 player coop for R2 and planned multiplayer for the respective titles and R2 leaps far and away ahead of Gears 2.

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juuken - 496 days 4 hours ago

"Juuken - You sound like you've gotten one too many. I wasn't comparing Heavenly Sword to Gears. Both games could have been longer but Gears had multiplayer, online co-op and achievements. Since it's also one of the most played games on Live, comparing it's replayability to Heavenly Sword feels silly."

I never implied you were comparing the two. I was just telling you that they are different games.

Try reading between the lines next time.

Oooh, I've gotten one too many? Uh-huh, I'm sure I knew what I was talking about before I was allegedly *pimp slapped*.

The reason why Heavenly Sword was brought up is because of the fact Capp is saying don't judge a game by it's size but by it's quality. Heavenly Sword was a good quality game and yet points were deducted because of it's shortness.

What you're saying is that it would have been better with multiplayer and I disagree with that. Not every game needs multiplayer to prove it's a good game. A game could have multiplayer and have crappy gameplay.
And hate to break it to ya but replayability is not a word.

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Jenzo - 496 days 3 hours ago

@Morganfell - So you are saying that personal preference and quantity are better ways of measuring the quality of a game?

@juuken - Read my comment again. The features I mentioned gives Gears more replaya value than Heavenly Sword IMO. I bet HS could have had features that would have made it more worth it's money as well. Not necesserily multiplayer, but at least something.

"And hate to break it to ya but replayability is not a word."
English is not my main language. I bet you knew what I meant anyways, and that's what's important. I think most people consider my english to be pretty decent.

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juuken - 496 days 3 hours ago

"@juuken - Read my comment again."

I read your comment and I disagreed.

"The features I mentioned gives Gears more replaya value than Heavenly Sword IMO."

Ooookay, now you're switching your comments around as *your opinion*. And in *my* opinion, Heavenly Sword does not need multiplayer because it's a good game without that stuff.

"I bet HS could have had features that would have made it more worth it's money as well. Not necesserily multiplayer, but at least something."

...Excellent voice acting? Check
...Awesome graphics? Check
...Excellent replay value? Check
...Awesome combos? Check
...Awesome bosses? Check
...A crapload of enemies on the screen without slowdown? Check

What more did you expect?

"English is not my main language. I bet you knew what I meant anyways, and that's what's important. I think most people consider my english to be pretty decent."

I didn't know that but I'm just saying it's not a word. Your English is pretty good regardless.

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TheDeadMetalhead - 496 days 3 hours ago

Heavenly Sword was a great game. It doesn't need anything like Multiplayer or a long story. Although it would have msde the game much better.

But the fact that it's 5 hours long doesn't make a difference. Alone in the Dark was like 3 hours long and it was a good game IMOIMOIMO!

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himdeel - 496 days 3 hours ago

...so many different ways...I don't know what to think.

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Lost_My_600_Dollar - 496 days 3 hours ago

"...Excellent voice acting? Check
...Awesome graphics? Check
...Excellent replay value? Check
...Awesome combos? Check
...Awesome bosses? Check
...A crapload of enemies on the screen without slowdown? Check

What more did you expect? "

but still not worth it, you pay 60$ for 5 hours gameplay and no online ???

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Bubble Buddy - 496 days ago

If I was rich, I would judge games only on quality. However, I am not so I need to think of how much hours I will spend on that game and whether it's a rental, or a buy.

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juuken - 495 days 23 hours ago

"but still not worth it, you pay 60$ for 5 hours gameplay and no online ???"

1. Have you ever played it? I'll take that as a no.
2. Five hours along? I can assure you that it's longer than five hours. It's a short game but it's not five hours. It actually has replay value. You know, where you go and play the other modes to challenge yourself?
3. So everything that doesn't have online is crap. Okay, gotcha. Listen, you know nothing about games so don't pretend that you know about them. :)

And of course the disagree button is slammed. Cute, but no cigar.

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morganfell - 495 days 21 hours ago

juuken, he said no online is crap? Did he just insult Mass Effect and Bioshock?

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cr33ping_death - 496 days 7 hours ago

agreed..... quality plus size( Final Fantasy series ) does trump all.

still getting GEARS 2 :)

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rexor0717 - 496 days ago

Both Gears and R2 will have huge amounts of quality, but I think R2 will just deliver more quality. Either way, I wish I could get both, but R2 will have to do. lol

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Drealmcc0y - 496 days 6 hours ago

Gears has multiplayer and co op
HS has NOTHING

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GiantEnemyCrab - 496 days 5 hours ago

Don't turn this into a pity party for HS. It offered nothing beyond Single Player while Gears offered Co-Op and MP.

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juuken - 496 days 5 hours ago

Because it was an action/adventure game with a lot of replay value!

LIKE...OH MY GOD!

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Tobias123 - 496 days 5 hours ago

So...an extra 3-5 hours of co-op, and 8 player multiplayer...riiiiight. You have to judge each game on it's own merits. For a shooter, Gears of War had a horrifically short campaign and below-par multiplayer, but the gameplay was solid and the graphics were out of this world, so it's more than passable. Heavenly Sword is an action game, meant to be more like a summer blockbuster movie, not awfully long but with lots of action and entertainment crammed it, and it sported some of the greatest motion capture, voice acting, and graphics in games, as well as having extremely well tuned gameplay(in my honest opinion).

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FantasyStar - 496 days 5 hours ago

Everything about it was great. It was just short, that's all. The Voice Acting was great, gameplay was great, graphics is good. Lots of things. Only thing to downplay was playtime.

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Jenzo - 496 days 4 hours ago

HS hasn't even got trophies yet, not that many games do(3?) but it would at least add some replay value.

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morganfell - 496 days 4 hours ago

For achievements and trophies to be important they have to matter to the individual. They are useful in games that lack good value or for those people that always feel the need to demonstrate to others something they have done. Personally I prefer to get a sense of reward from what I experienced.

@Cajun Chicken, not having to babysit Dom, Baird, and Cole this time would be wonderful. Especially after Cliffy made a point last time of saying you shouldn't have to babysit Team AI and then I died countless times trying to save that idiot Dom. barring that, either give me a leash for him or the ability to make him stay behind someplace out of the way.

I would also appreciate a modicum of common sense and have them make all cutscenes skippable, especially those right before a really tough section so that repeated deaths do not result in my brain and retinas being burned out by their forcing me to watch the same damn cutscene over and over again.

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Drealmcc0y - 496 days 5 hours ago

If you're playing an Epic game, dont expect a game with a good story, its not one of there strong suits

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Cajun Chicken - 496 days 5 hours ago

But making a retail 3rd person character based game, it should be included from the get go.

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vlazed - 496 days 5 hours ago

Define no replay value?

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Tobias123 - 496 days 5 hours ago

Resistance: Fall of Man was a launch title, so of course its graphics aren't going to be on the level of Gears of War(which really set the bar for other games at the time). However many people will disagree with you on its gameplay not being anything special. In my opinion(just an opinion) it's one of the most fun fps' I've played in years, it really brought back the feeling that the first Halo gave me. It wasn't revolutionary or genre defining(except for 40 player multiplayer on a console game), but it was a well made and finely tuned experience.

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fopums - 496 days 5 hours ago

cmon guy.......

I like GEARS as much as the next person, but its going too be hard pressed too really imrpove leaps and bounds over the first with what I've seen.

whats GEARS2 really bringing too the table? bigger maps? horde mode? wheres the true 4 player co-op this game should have had for the campaign?

GEARS2 up there multiplayer by 8 I belive, and Resistance upped theirs by 20, and added a full campaign for 8 player co-op, not just a bunch of locusts that keep respawning til your team gets over whelmed.

I think GEARS2 will be aweseome, but only a tad more awesome then the first.....

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eagle21 - 496 days 3 hours ago

http://www.gameinformer.com...

The reality seems to be that Resistance is a FPS and Gears isn't. The sad part is you compare Gears to everything even the insanely brilliant masterpiece stealth action game MGS4 in the openzone. In hopes of what? I guess Gears is it for 360 huh? Don't mention graphics cause PS3 has waaay more pwning in that department already and future.

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ukilnme - 496 days 3 hours ago

It was Michael Capps not CLiff in this interview. Try reading the article next time. Could still qualify as preemptive damage control though. We'll know for sure in November.

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Lord Shuhei Yoshida - 496 days 6 hours ago

Hahahahaha

The 360 has so many limitations it hides behind the crappy Unreal Engine.It cant even hold 3 chracters on the same screen.

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Cajun Chicken - 496 days 6 hours ago

But most people buy games for Single Player campaigns and Resistance had it in spades.
I'm afraid Gears didn't, I'm sure Resistance 2 will have a similar sized campaign to its prequel.

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Max Power - 496 days ago

which campaign, the single player or the co-op?

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SmokingMonkey - 496 days ago

people would flip, but since the 360 can't handle more than the bare minimun for online games the 360 heads say "it's too much"
BullSPit! more is better, like a REAL war there are more than 16 people "playing"

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games4fun - 496 days 5 hours ago

let me help you out there, put tech in front of demo, unless your talking about the masses of people running beside a gate i call that hiding how they cant actually have a complex ai running and they better herd them like sheep in the game

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morganfell - 496 days 5 hours ago

That was crowd AI land little different than water flowing along. There wasn't individual AI interacting. Try Heavenly Sword for that effect.

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Cajun Chicken - 496 days 5 hours ago

No it didn't, I'm an avid fan of Epic's past games (except Unreal 2) but Gears didn't compare at all to their previous efforts, too short, some of the best gamplay mechanics were seriously underused (like blowing up gas canisters to create a path), a storyline that didn't exist and characters I didn't give a crap about wherever they lived or died.
When a game is in third person, its probably best to find a way for the player to be emotionally attached to the protagonist that you play at, Gears failed with that.
It had great graphics, but yeah. What do you expect? the Unreal Engine always had great graphics in the past, its expected.
Only if Gears grows on its innovational light/dark gameplay it will be better.
Epic already ruined UTIII for me, judging by how they gutted that franchise, I wouldn't be suprised if Epic did the same with Gears 2.

Edit: EDF2017 had 100's of enemies on screen, as did Serious Sam games previously. Looking at the way the public and press (sadly) perceived those games that's nothing to brag about.

Edit 2: Resistance had a co-op mode on par with the chaos of a Halo game too, y'know and in both games you could heal and respawn each other once dead.

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Common Sense - 496 days 5 hours ago

Too bad you can only interact with 3 of them at a time. (HS had 1000 enemies on-screen you can actually interact with).
You also said Gears had Co-op, which made it better than resistance. R2 will have 8 player co-op which is 4 times that of Gears 2. Does that mean it's 4 times better?

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Xbox is the BEST - 496 days 1 hour ago

1000 enemies on screeen and only 1 at a time attack you. Sony cheerleaders stop lying.

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Common Sense - 496 days 5 hours ago

a 10 to MGS4 but not to Gears.

Most reviewers (except Gamedaily and Eurogamer)would agree that MGS4 > GeOW 1

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Cajun Chicken - 496 days 5 hours ago

So what? I didn't like Gears and I liked Resistance better, so what?
Gears doesn't have that 'X factor' that made the feeling of the original Halo great, it just felt like it could of been SO much more and people are praising its 'chainsaw guns' more than the cool gameplay of having to create a path of light to be unharmed by enemies.
If its just more 'chainsaw gun' stuff in the sequel, than light/dark gameplay, its just going to be an average third person shooter, if not, it might be BETTER than the original.

I prefer EDF2017 and Halo3 (strictly offline) for my 360 action gaming.
Fact is, Resistance felt more like playing the original Halo and had that same addictive pace coupled with an interesting alternative history plot and I'm betting on R2 being better value for money.

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vega75 - 496 days 5 hours ago

"Resistance felt more like playing the original Halo and had that same addictive pace"

wow dude. you are really reaching with that one. but i guess that your opinion. in reallity RFoM felt more like the first CoD2 for the 360. just plain out dated. it was more for people that really haven't played a FPS on console. the story was weak. the secondary weapons sucked. and it didn't add anything new that hasn't been seen in other console FPS.

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eagle21 - 496 days 3 hours ago

Sorry, but comparing the best stealth action game in the world to a weak storied third person shooter is juvenile.

MGS4 is technically better than anything on 360. And "metacritic" is weak as hell to try and spin that.

Game Informer 10
IGN 10
Gamespot 10
Gamepro 10
xboxOZ3360 9.9 "the best game since "Ocarina of Time" (that's from a 360 site).....

As for Resistance, Game Informer gave it 9.5 the exact same month of Gears 9.5. In fact they jointly shared "game of the month" in the magazine.

http://www.gameinformer.com...

From GameInformer: "There’s a good reason why Master Chief has been looking pale these days. Sony just dropped a bomb down his pants. No matter how you cut it, Resistance is PlayStation’s answer to Halo. It bombards you with relentless action, opens your mind to new gaming possibilities with its inventive selection of weapons, and offers a multiplayer experience so deep and dangerously addictive that your hands may permanently form to the contour of the controller. Insane 40-man online battles, weapons that can shoot through walls and around corners, having to violently shake the controller to free yourself from an alien that has latched onto your neck – there are few experiences in gaming that are this exciting, and thanks to the development muscle of Insomniac, this finely polished and balanced. The only blemish that this game has is the uneventful finale to the single-player campaign. Outside of this, Resistance pounds you into submission with its remarkable gameplay. Without question, it’s worth getting a PS3 just for this game."

Just be glad you can play Gears until the multiplatform bug hits it for Gears 3. LMAO

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Whoooop - 496 days 5 hours ago

Who let you out of that ---> zone??

lol

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Oner - 496 days 4 hours ago

You got that feeling too huh?

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