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NPD to date for 2008: Wii whitewashes while 360 and PS3 thrash it out

VG247: In the wake of July's NPD figures, we thought we'd look at just how well the 'big three' have fared over the last seven months by tallying all hardware data for 2008.

We all know Nintendo is having a fantastic year, but just how well is Wii doing?

Microsoft and Sony are fighting their own high-def battle, but how big is the margin between the two, and who has the lead?

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Ben1054 - 501 days ago

1 - its only NPD (america)

i want to know how it is with the whole world

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Genesis5 - 500 days 21 hours ago

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MS is having a heck of a time trying to hold a lead with a 1 year head start. What would have happened if the had launched at the same time. No wonder they rushed that thing out the door. Or they wouldn't even be in this race.

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Maddens Raiders - 500 days 21 hours ago

1.2 - Another thing is we do not know -

just how many therapy offices, clinics, hospices, hospitals, and 24 hour fitness centers are purchasing Wii's in a volume like manner.

Does anyone know if NPD represents individual consumer numbers only, or do they take into account all purchases, such as "bulk" purchases from commercial enterprises?

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PS360WiiRocks - 500 days 21 hours ago

1.3 - maddens

Actually let's see my apartment complex has a Wii in the leasing center. and the only other place I have seen consoles is at the massive children's hospital here in Colorado. Every room has a xbox 360 in it, and in the all the play areas they have Wii's.

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ElementX - 500 days 20 hours ago

1.4 -

Actually, most of the world doesn't have official numbers. Only Japan, North America, and I think England and Germany have numbers. France and Spain don't have official stats. I could be wrong, though.

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Mao - 500 days 7 hours ago

1.5 - Yeah well

My Wii is hitting the used-bin this week in favor of the 360. You know, a console that actually has good games and not just shovelware. Nintendo really has dissapointed me this gen. Totally angry with the Wii and it's gimmicky first party exclusives, last-gen presentation and terrible 3rd party support. PS360. Now THAT'S the way to go.

Nintendo doesn't deserve these sales from the soccer moms. Stupid non-traditional gaming market pushing the change in the gaming environment. Great, now devs have an excuse to make garbage! *sigh*

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Gam71 - 501 days ago

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ps3 only outselling the 360 by over 200,000.
And thats been reduced by 360 during august

At this rate they'll claim second spot during the next gen.
Sure paints a different tale to what the sony execs and more importantly certain fans on here have been saying about the ps3 destroying the 360 this year.

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TheHater - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.1 -

US sales =/= world sales.

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harrisk954 - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.2 - Part of the problem

from Sony's end is that its sales are being split by the PS3, PSP and PS2. While the PSP is not a "next gen" system, so to speak, it is a relatively new platform, released in the US in 2005. That being said, the 3 Sony platforms together are smashing the 360. Of course, we are only concered about the "next gen" systems here, but, it is rather interesting that the 360 only outsold the PS2 this year by 400,000 units. The other surprise is that the PSP has outsold the 360 by 150,000 units. For a system that many sites are touting as "dead", that apparently can't be more far from the truth. That leaves the PS3 outselling the 360 by about 250,000 units this year. While not enough to make a huge dent in the 360's lead, the bottom line is that it is a dent and no matter how much spin MS puts on it they can't be happy. Because with momentum comes more sales and those unconverted PS2 masses are still out there and it is looking more and more like Sony may really keep them... Plus, another ace in Sony's hole is that those who bought PSP will probably lean toward buying the PS3 for the interactivity features. Not to mention, but these are US numbers only (NPD)... worldwide, the PS3's momentum and sales is much more painful for MS.

So, IMO, MS can spin it any way they want, but the PS3 is on its way to an eventual overtaking of the 360... maybe not in 2009 for total numbers, but it looks like 2010 for sure.

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Esena - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.3 -

Why would you say 200k when its more like 300k? 100 thousand units is a lot to miss...

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Gam71 - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.4 -

its more around 250,000 if you do the maths.

ms does have several reason to be happy and one of them should be a big concern to sony.

with the playstation brand name the fact it is competing so closely and still in the lead is encouraging.
then the reason why sony should be worried is software sales.
the 360 sells shed loads month in month out and ms is getting a high market share competing with the wii for revenue but on the ps3 sony lose a lot more money than ms on each console sold so need the software sales.
unfortunately for them software sales are pale in comparison.
losing the share the once owned.

if sony didn't have the ps2 and even the psp to prop them up what state do you think they would be in now?

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tordavis - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.5 -

"but the PS3 is on its way to an eventual overtaking of the 360... maybe not in 2009 for total numbers, but it looks like 2010 for sure."

Thank you for your OPINION!

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harrisk954 - 500 days 23 hours ago

2.6 - @tordavis

You are welcome! And, if you read my comment, I said "IMO"... i beleive that that translates to "in my opinion"....

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callahan09 - 500 days 22 hours ago

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272,200 to be exact.

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TheExecutive - 500 days 22 hours ago

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i think when the fiscal year is over and both companies produce their numbers the PS3 is going to be CRUSHING the 360 worldwide. I expect the PS3 to be down by something like 2-3 million units. Look for them to overtake the 360 mid next year.

At least thats my opinion.

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Maddens Raiders - 500 days 21 hours ago

2.9 - Are you -

drunk?

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TheDeadMetalhead - 500 days 20 hours ago

2.11 - I'm not sure

how far ahead the 360 still is, so I don'r know when Dony will take 2nd place.

But if things keep going the way they are, then yeah. Sony will take 2nd imo.

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power of Green - 500 days 19 hours ago

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I read some of the comments in here and find it funny PS3 fans know the PS3 will outsell the 360. Who ever can get the price down in the mass consumer market range first is a strong tool for success. For all we know 20 thousnad people were waitng for the 60 gig consoles.

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MNicholas - 500 days 19 hours ago

2.13 - PS3 sales dropped in the last few weeks ...

due to a lack of supply during the model changeover. Now that many places like Amazon have been able to restock you can see (by looking at the daily sales details) that PS3 sales have gone up again.

Despite the supply interruption the PS3 still has a 31% lead this year. That's a sales massive advantage in the next-gen wars (Wii outsells both but isn't a direct competitor). What's more, retailers like Best Buy prefer to push the PS3 over the 360 because it adds revenue in multiple departments. They can not only sell games but movies too with the hardware. Furthermore, Microsoft's 3 year RRoD warranty (which many consumers mistake for a full 3yr warranty) cut's into retailers ability to promote replacement plans which even cover damage due to humidity, dust and power surges. Not only that, 360 replacement plans can actually cost more to honor (due to the high failure rate) so some retailers stopped selling them!

So the PS3 has not only outsold the 360 by a large margin this year but it has several advantages going forward. Microsoft's only chance to catch up and pull ahead is to cut prices and buy some marketshare.

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power of Green - 500 days 18 hours ago

2.14 - ^^^

MGS4 bundles selling out for a week at some retailers doesn't make much difference, this is where your shortages come from.

PS3 sells in the DVD market and the Video game market plus PS2 has 120 million owners, not to mention PS3 had 2 or 3 price drops in its first year, sheeesh.

PS3 just came off of it's Halo(MGS4) where as the 360 has not had exclusive AAA's release sence last Xmas, I don't think your boasting is justified.

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gaffyh - 500 days 18 hours ago

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POG you sound more retarded with every post you make. MGS4 is not the PS3s Halo, Sony does not have ONE definitive game that most console owners buy. The only game that is even capable of doing that is GT5 (cos previous versions have sold 15-17 million, I cant remember the exact number).

You almost always mention this in your fanboy rants:

"not to mention PS3 had 2 or 3 price drops in its first year, sheeesh."

How does this affect Sony's game sales? Increase. How does it affect the consumer? Cheaper console. How does it affect Sony's profit? Profit goes way down. This story is about SALES not PROFIT, moron.

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TheDeadMetalhead - 500 days 18 hours ago

2.16 - @PoG

"MGS4 bundles selling out for a week in some retailers doesn't make much difference, this is where your shortages come from."

Sorry, PoG. But that DOES make a difference.The fact that the MGS4 PS3 bundles are still selling out and experiencing shortages are proof of 2 things.

1. MGS4 IS a system seller
2. People want PS3

"PS3 sells in the DVD market and the Video game market plus PS2 has 120 million owners, not to mention PS3 had 2 or 3 price drops in its first year, sheeesh."

You're actually mostly right about this. Except that PS3 had only ONE pricecut for each type of PS3 (80 GB $600-$500. 40GB $500-400).

"PS3 just came off of it's Halo(MGS4) where as the 360 has not had exclusive AAA's release sence last Xmas, I don't think your boasting is justified."

Halo 3 didn't move consoles the way that MGS4 did. In fact, it was a dissapointment compared to Halo 2 imo.

And you're right. The 360 has had no AAA titles all year. which is why it's sales are dropping.

Of course, we might see a spike in 360 sales when Gears 2, Fable 2, and (Hopefully) Alan Wake finaly come. Just like we saw a spike in PS3 sales the week that MGS4 was released (Hardware Sales nearly tripled that week).

All I can say is, if things keep going the way they are, then I don't think the 360 won't last much longer imo.

"I read some of the comments in here and find it funny PS3 fans know the PS3 will outsell the 360. Who ever can get the price down in the mass consumer market range first is a strong tool for success. For all we know 20 thousnad people were waitng for the 60 gig consoles."

This is all pure speculation and opinions, PoG. Everyone knows that. No one knows what will happen. No one can predict the future. That post was just dumb, dude.

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power of Green - 500 days 18 hours ago

2.17 -

I heard VG-Chartz "America's sales" track all of the america's, it is no wonder PS3 fans can't grasp the NPD numbers which only does the USA(or the version we post that is).

Point is, VGC was 200k off(360) for July because the numbers comparing all of America was compared to just USA numbers hence the PS3 fan attatude.

VGC numbers for July which were all of the America's was compared to NPD's July numbers which the version posted was only the USA numbers.

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MysteriousMaverick - 500 days 17 hours ago

2.18 - wow

You listen to VGChartz?

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power of Green - 500 days 17 hours ago

2.19 - WoW

I don't listen to VGC but I do understand PS3 fans are tricking people when it comes to accuracy, VGC was not off by 200 thousand for July when tracking the 360 numbers, they simply tracked American sales.

VGC tracked the "America's" and when NPD gets posted in comparison it is usually just the "US NPD" thus confusing the ignorant.

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power of Competence - 500 days 12 hours ago

2.20 - @2.12 power of Green

"I read some of the comments in here and find it funny PS3 fans know the PS3 will outsell the 360. Who ever can get the price down in the mass consumer market range first is a strong tool for success. For all we know 20 thousnad people were waitng for the 60 gig consoles."

No one here knows who is going to "win" this console war, but you really seem to think that its impossible for the PS3 to do so. The price cut that Microsoft made to the Arcade system didn't move too many consoles, according to NPD numbers, so it sure is a tool that can be used, but don't act like its going to make thousands of people want to buy consoles. Its all about demand, people won't buy just because they saw the price go down.

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Bucky Sligo - 500 days 3 hours ago

2.21 -

Wow, POG's comments are bothering the PS3 fans so much that there are some stalkers emerging. Thats sad...

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NewSchoolGamer - 500 days 23 hours ago

3 - If this is only

the American NPD then the PS3 has a bigger lead this year.

The PS3 has more time to catch up and beat the xbox360 in sales. It has 2009 and 2010. Not to mention all the great exclusives that are coming out for it.

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militant07 - 500 days 23 hours ago

3.1 -

also there is alot of exlusive coming to 360
wtf your comment got no point
every console got a great exclusive to be released
i can list for you unreleased 360 exclusive

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MNicholas - 500 days 18 hours ago

3.3 - IF 360 sales keep dropping ...

then it will happen sooner than that. If MS drops it's hardware price but keeps charging for Live they'll only gain a short term recovery.

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Omega4 - 500 days 23 hours ago

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At this rate the Ps3 wont outsell the 360 till about 2012 also anything could happen to turn the favour to any console. Since in 2010 MS might release a slim 360 with built-in bluray for $199 (since bluray will be cheaper by then) which could be a huge boost for them. Also the PS3 coud do the same minus the bluray.

But i doubt the PS3 will ever outsell the 360 by a large enough margin to change the current positions. And while everyone says PS2 fans are yet to be converted, who the hell do yuo think are buying Wiis, the casual PS2 crowd thats who. Not to meantion the 360 will be surpassing the Xbox's orignal install base so all addition sales will likely be PS2 converts, so i suggest you all give up on that idea.

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strotee - 500 days 23 hours ago

4.1 - .

Speaking of "giving up on that idea", why would MS start putting Blu-Ray in their systems? Are you talking for gaming purposes or movie playback?

Gaming: So they would just give the middle finger to 20 million current 360 owners who only have a DVD drive? "Yea sorry, we're only going to make games on Blu-Ray now, sorry. Upgrade or die." Do you honestly think they would do that? You can't just change the storage medium half way through a generation. Face it, MS chose the DVD for 1 reason, cheap price.

Movies: With all their preaching about how digital downloads are the future, etc etc, why would they replace the DVD drive? I could see an add-on, but not built-in simply for the added expense. Even by 2010, I can still see Blu-Ray costing slightly more than DVD, so again, MS will choose the less expensive route.

Sony dropping Blu-Ray: I won't even bother commenting.

I'm interested to hear why you think MS/Sony would make those steps.

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alakazzam - 500 days 23 hours ago

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i dont know strotee ms dropped support for the xbox why wouldnt they do the same for 360 lol. anyways the ps3 has already outsold the 360 in europe and japan so i wouldnt of thought the gap on worldwide sales would be as much as you think. oh and for anyone who says that 360 sales have slowed because so many people own one F**K you, if thats logical then why is the psp still beating it, thats been out for ages

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PopEmUp - 500 days 23 hours ago

4.3 - well if M$

do that I would consider them putting a bullet into their head

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Omega4 - 500 days 22 hours ago

4.4 - @ strotee

Sorry you misunderstood what i meant. For MS the bluray would just be for movies since i dont think they're that stupid to let it be for games as well considering the userbase. Also your right an addon is more likely since it would probably make them more money selling it seperatly.

And when i said "minus the bluray" with the PS3 i was only saying that cause it already had bluray.

MS would likly only add bluray if its sales took off really REALLY well (outselling DVD), enough so that they'd rather back the disc format over DD

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Wii60Fan - 500 days 18 hours ago

4.5 - Right about

The time Final Fantasy XIII is scheduled to be released...Hmmm how convenient.

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zypher - 500 days 23 hours ago

5 - @Gam71

"At this rate they'll claim second spot during the next gen.
Sure paints a different tale to what the sony execs and more importantly certain fans on here have been saying about the ps3 destroying the 360 this year."

they'll probably claim second to the Wii, but at this point the PS3 is almost assured a victory over the 360...worldwide, and probably in the US too, but that might take a little more time. since Sept. of last year the US was the only market where the 360 outsold the PS3 on a monthly basis, and now that's no longer the case. in Nov. '06 the 360 had a 10 million lead over the PS3 and now, just 1.9 years later, that lead has been reduced to 5 million.

as for PS3 destroying the 360 this year, i myself think that's pretty strong wording. i DO believe the PS3 will win in the US this year, and by a noticeable margin, but i don't think it'll destroy the 360. the 360 has no system seller coming this year: it's heavy hitters (Fable 2, Gears of War 2, L4D) will probably appeal only to pre-existing, hardcore gaming 360 owners (like myself).

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tordavis - 500 days 23 hours ago

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"they'll probably claim second to the Wii, but at this point the PS3 is almost assured a victory over the 360...worldwide, and probably in the US too, but that might take a little more time."

You need to back that statement up with some data. Otherwise it's just a shallow OPINION!

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PopEmUp - 500 days 22 hours ago

5.2 - You need to back that statement up with some data. Otherwise it's just a shallow OPINION!

same goes to all 360/PS3 fans is that what your point is

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zypher - 500 days 22 hours ago

5.3 - @tordavis

um, this is all opinion, because it hasn't happened yet. notice all the "probably"s i put in there? yeah, that means it's all opinion based, so get your panties out of a bunch. what is factual is that the PS3 has been outselling the 360 in the US (which this very article proves), has a much higher install base in Japan, and recently matched the 360's install base throughout Europe, something it managed to do after a delayed launch:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

as for which system has better games, well, that's a matter of preference. right now i'm looking forward to more PS3 games this year (Resistance 2, Confrontation, Valkyria Chronicles, LBP and Pacific Rift), but my two most awaited games are 360 games (Gears of War 2 and Fable 2). still, none of this outweighs the fact that worldwide, the PS3 has had momentum behind it against the 360 since last year, and has been gaining momentum all of '08 in the US.

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titntin - 500 days 20 hours ago

5.4 - @tordavis

@tordavis
You sound like a brojken record. " thats your OPINION".

Of course its his opinion - this is a reply on a public website for people to state their opinion!! Don't you understand the concept?? Why do you feel it consistantly necessary to point out what every single person on this site knows already???

If you have a valid rebuttal to make as you don't like the opinion being expressed, how's about making a point instead of simply spamming??? You know, like offer an alternative OPINION. Its what these reply sections are for...

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TheDeadMetalhead - 500 days 20 hours ago

5.5 - @tordavis

It's all opinion! Nobody has psychic powers! They can't predict the future! You saying that's just his OPINION is really just your OPINION now isn't it? -_-

How about making yourself useful and try actually COMMENTING about stuff. Instead of just saying "that's your OPINION" all day long! I'm taking your bubbles!

And change your avatar! I get enough people flipping me off without your help -_-

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TheExecutive - 500 days 22 hours ago

6 -

this is American numbers. I think we all realize that in the rest of the world the PS3 dominates.

I remember a lot of people on this site in January of this year saying the ps3 would not outsell the 360 in america this year, but MAYBE next.

We will have to wait for the official numbers worldwide at the end of the fiscal year, but we have to remember that the PS3 last year sold MORE units worldwide than the 360. That is an impressive feat if you consider a couple things:
1. The PS3 didnt even come out in Europe until March.
2. The price point was rediculously high and there werent a TON of great games.

The 360 last year was beating the PS3 by TONS of consoles, sometimes 100,000 or MORE, but the PS3 still SOLD more units worldwide than the 360 and by about ONE MILLION units.

Lets fast forward to this year. Bluray won, great games are coming out, and in September you will be able to buy an 80gig for 399. This year, the PS3 is OUTSELLING the 360 in North America, once the 360's stronghold. It isnt by much but it DOES NOT have to be. The 360 lost the selling race last year because it wasnt being supported worldwide but it stayed close because it was beating the PS3 in the US.

Ok, so all that said, and the fact that the PS3 is dominating the world in console sales I expect by the end of the fiscal year (when official numbers are released) that the PS3 will be within 2-3 million units of the 360 and by August of next year it should overtake the 360 in sales. I expect demand for the 360 to wane early next year and I expect sales to continue increasing with the ps3 until 2011, at least.I also expect a new console by MS at Christmas 2010. I expect a new console by Sony in 2012.

So there are my predictions for the coming year and I think they are solid looking at the numbers now, what happened last year and what is happening this year (or not happening). What do you guys think?

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Tobias123 - 500 days 21 hours ago

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I thought the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 3 million units, since Sony reported that it had sold around 10 million and MS reported that they had sold around 17 million in total(7 million that year, around 10 the first). Either way, kudos to Sony for turning around the PS3, and kudos to MS for putting up one hell of a fight(competition is better for the consumer:))

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PimpHandStrong - 500 days 22 hours ago

7 - i dont care

who sells what

but

Sony has a lot of real good games coming out over the next 3-4 months!

Bio Shock
Socom
LBP
R2

if Socom is any good it will move more PS3's then MGS4 did IMO

then add in multi-platform games and all the greatness that is coming in 2009 the PS3 is going to jump in sales!

Unlike the 360 the PS3 has sold more in its 2nd year and will sell even more in its 3rd

count on it

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paskowitz - 500 days 22 hours ago

8 - Ok so

You all do realize that the PS3 will share the same fate as the PS2 and continue to be sold after the PS4 launches (btw this is a good thing). So yes, the PS3 WILL outsell the 360, "eventually". This generation, who knows, who cares. It really should not even be up for discussion. Also people forget that it is not about winning or loosing (per say), just making money and a good product. MS as done a great job on the first part of that but in my opinion not so much on the second. Sony, and Sony fans should focus on that, more than the anything else. I want to see Sony grow, not beat the 360 or the Wii.

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I also believe (opinion/speculation) that Sony is thinking about the next 'next generation' just as much as MS is. I am going to call it, that Sony will release a successor to the PS3 within the same year MS does the same for the 360. Hopefully Sony will learn their lesson and continue to have backwards compatibility and not charge $600 (I could afford it but many others could not). But they will continue to sell and support the PS3 along with the PS'4'. To me this is why I bought a PS3 not a 360. I never thought I would buy another PS2 game after the PS3 but since then I have bought 4. GOW II being my favorite. This is what separates the PS brand from the MS brand SUPPORT and INVESTMENT and this is why I will continue to support them.

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TheExecutive - 500 days 22 hours ago

8.1 -

I agree with what you are saying I just dunno if the consoles will be that close. I dont think Sony will be ready to move on from the ps3 when MS is ready to move on from the 360.

I do agree, however, that Sony is indeed developing their new system. Its always been a never ending process.

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PimpHandStrong - 500 days 22 hours ago

9 - Sony and the PS4

they will do what MS did with the xbox=360

They will shrink the system and make it cheaper

anyway

you wont even hear Sony talk about a PS4 till maybe 2012

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nice_cuppa - 501 days 2 hours ago

1 - so ps3 has sold just under 300,000 more this year in america than 360 so far

interesting !

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Mike Bowden - 501 days ago

1.1 -

It surprised me too, yeah.

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Microsoft_Spokesman - 500 days 23 hours ago

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"This figure puts Microsoft’s console firmly at the bottom of the next-gen pile. In fact, if we take every device into consideration, Microsoft’s great green hope has sold just over 400,000 more than PS2, and that’s without January’s figure for the last-gen Sony machine included."

LOL.

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pwnsause - 500 days 23 hours ago

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I thought the LastPlace-tation 3rd was secondplace-station 2nd because of last month because of NPD results, which put the secondplace- 360 was lastplace 3rd60. lol dont fail yourself, but keep trying.

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Gam71 - 500 days 23 hours ago

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er last playstation 3rd
you have points but you put then in such an idiotic way you look a prat.

You sound exactly like the droids you're mocking.

also pwnsause
playstation is last.
wii-30mil
360-20mil
ps3-mil

and ausgust will have ps3 as 3rd in ww hw sales so you should check your comments before you post them.

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Jandre02 - 500 days 23 hours ago

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Didnt the 360 already have a price drop in July? We all saw how that turned out...lol.

Also remember that this is Blu-Rays very first holiday season as the HD standard, which means with every HDTV sold, stores like Best Buy and Walmart will give the PS3 free advertising.

And, last but not least, people still aren't considering the fact that Sony might drop the price of the PS3 with the new 80gb. Its a newer, most likely cheaper model to manufacture, so dropping the price will lose them money per console, but they have Resistance 2, LBP, MAG, Socom,Killzone 2 and InFamous all coming within this fiscal year which will offset any major hardware loses if they sell well.

$299 PS3+Blu-Ray+Best marketable lineup in the upcoming year= Wii level numbers. The 360 never stood a chance this year, which I have been saying since December. Sure it was appearing to sell well when the PS3 was dying last year, but it doesn't have the demand necessary to keep up with the PS3 in full swing. PS3 will outsell the 360 by 1,000,000+ in America alone from October to December, and will catch the 360 WW in total hardware sales by May of next year.

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pwnsause - 500 days 23 hours ago

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lol, im pretty sure that by next year it will be ontop of the 360. calculate it yourself. but since im dealing with bots who dont know their calculus, then i would just let them dream. see ya. XD

Oh, and laststation 3rd, i saved that statement in my notepad so when the NPD results say the oppisite, i will pull it up lolololol

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Jandre02 - 500 days 22 hours ago

1.9 - The PS3 has won every month NPD

Except for 1 month.

In Europe the 360, already at the price that is rumored to occur in the US since BEFORE GTAIV, is still outsold by a large margin by the PS3.

Japan the 360 won one month with a drought of big games for the PS3 and the biggest, and most likely last, system selling 360 game in the country this generation.

The 360 has just flat out lost WW every month this year. The US is the 360's best region by far, and its only managed to outsell the PS3 one month! It will win August, ill agree to that, but only because the PS3 is clearing its 40gb out of the channel. If the PS3 does respond to this 360 price drop there is no chance at all for the 360 this fall. (That rhymes, im sorry)

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callahan09 - 500 days 22 hours ago

1.10 -

I smell some serious delusion and possible insanity here today.

@ LastPlace-tation 3rd: settle down.
@ Everyone: I'm astonished at the ridiculous fanboy tripe I'm seeing here. Unbelievable. Get a grip, people, seriously.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 500 days 22 hours ago

1.11 - Microsoft and Sony are fighting their own high-def battle???

Er didn't know the xBox 360 was High-def!!! It don't look it!!! ;-D
You learn something new on this each day!!!;)

Hmm...or does 'xBox 360 High-Def' stand for 'xBox 360 High-Death Rate'!!! ;-D
(Fire or RRoD!)

+Thought they have been Discontinuing the xBox 360 Worldwide to???
;-D
It came out before 'Wii'[TOY] + PS3???
It should be selling more than the 'Wii'[TOY]by now???
Why not???
+It's cheaper than the 'Wii'[TOY]now???
Why is the xBox 360 not selling more for???
WHY???
WHY???
WHY???
;-D

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Gam71 - 500 days 22 hours ago

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hey sir ken kun-tagi or what ever
how does hi-DEF become high DEATH?

oh fire you mean like those exploding sony batteries or the psp's giving people 3rd degree burns? thats what you meant right?

It came out before 'Wii'[TOY] + PS3???
It should be selling more than the 'Wii'[TOY]by now???
Why not???

erm when did the wii first come out
nov 19th 2006
ps3 nov 11th 2006
so by your logic the ps3 should be outselling the wii.
why isn't it?
why is it last?

Sorry i just laughed at how i completely shown you up then.
that is an epic fail by you. You tried to be clever but the point you made was used against the console your defending.
I'm having to explain it to him because he a bit thick.

heres what you should have said

PS3"[DVD player] came out before 'Wii'???
It should be selling more than the 'Wii' by now???
Why not???
WHY???
WHY???
WHY???

And didn't know the ps3 was a gaming system and not a media player!!! It don't look it!!! ;-D
You learn something new on this each day!!!;)

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pwnsause - 500 days 21 hours ago

1.13 -

"hey sir ken kun-tagi or what ever
how does hi-DEF become high DEATH?

oh fire you mean like those exploding sony batteries or the psp's giving people 3rd degree burns? thats what you meant right?

It came out before 'Wii'[TOY] + PS3???
It should be selling more than the 'Wii'[TOY]by now???
Why not???

erm when did the wii first come out
nov 19th 2006
ps3 nov 11th 2006
so by your logic the ps3 should be outselling the wii.
why isn't it?
why is it last?

Sorry i just laughed at how i completely shown you up then.
that is an epic fail by you. You tried to be clever but the point you made was used against the console your defending.
I'm having to explain it to him because he a bit thick.

heres what you should have said

PS3"[DVD player] came out before 'Wii'???
It should be selling more than the 'Wii' by now???
Why not???
WHY???
WHY???
WHY???

And didn't know the ps3 was a gaming system and not a media player!!! It don't look it!!! ;-D
You learn something new on this each day!!!;)"

Looks like Emperor Ken hurt Gam71's feelings, just look what Gam71 did, he had to copy what The emperor said in order to make an attempted comeback, HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHAHHA HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAH AHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHHA HH

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 500 days 20 hours ago

1.14 - @Gam71 - WHY??? WHY??? WHY??? ;-D

Well to me;) Hi-DEF sounds like Hi-DEATH!!! ;-D

Well i'm talking about Home Consoles under your T.V getting on Fire!!! ;-D
God if i started bringing up Micro$ofts Mistakes and Failures i'll be here all YEAR!!! ;-D

Well erm the Wii cost £179.99 when it came out i think(U.K price)

and the PS3 cost £425.00 when it came out i know(U.K price)
(so the PS3 cost £245.01!!!MORE than the Wii!!!)

That's why it's not sold as much as the Wii. Simple really!!!;)
That your answer to your Question.

+Now the PS3 is £299.99 and the Wii is £179.99(U.K)
(Still a lot more for now)

The xBox 360 in U.K is £149.99???(Think it's cheaper in the U.S)
The Wii £179.99???
I don't understand WHY;) the xBox 360 isn't selling the same as the Wii for??? It's cheaper???
It's Hmm perfect?!?!(as the xBots on here say???)
I don't get it???

If PS3 was £149.99!!!!!!!???????!!!! !!! ;-P
FUNK-ME!!!;) It would be up there with the Wii! Easy!!!;-P
(And everyone knows it!)

+The PS3 is a GAMES Console + A Hi-Def;)Media player!!! ;-P
(It does it ALL!!!) ;-P

SO??? If the xbox 360 is £149.99 and the Wii is £179.99(U.K)
WHY;)OH WHY? is it not Killing the Wii for??? That's my main Question.

You haven't shown me up at all!!!;-D
+The Real 'Sir Ken' is showing up Micro$oft YET AGAIN!!! ;-D
I'm happy about my 1st comment thanks!;)

OH!NO!!! ;-D The Phantom Disagree R*tard is out again!!! ;-D
Disagree as much as you like R*tard! It WON'T change anything!!! ;-D
Your Console is dying...bye bye...nice knowing you...NOT... ;-D

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Gam71 - 500 days 20 hours ago

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wow, sounds like you're on the defensive.

so your saying the reason the ps3 isn't saying is because of the price. But i thought it was a bargain and it doesn't matter about price because the ps3 would sell even without games.
guess not huh.

oh and if you're going to quote uk prices get it right. the arcade is £150 and thats for children and families so it doesn't matter about that. yes you will be able to get the new 60gb for £179 on offer so expect that to sell in bucket loads.

i noticed you was only talking about consoles under the tv that catch fire. well i'm talking about all products made by you beloved (you do realise its only a company and they dont care about as proven buy the lies you lap up) sony that explode or catch fire.
don't forget in the uk its wii and 360.
I think the ps3 is selling here?
lol you should have picked a country that the ps3 sells in that the 360 doesn't when making your poor arguments like the us... oh ok like japa... hmm ital... erm norway?

if i had to go on about all the mistakes sony make i'd be here for the rest of their 10yr plan.
i'll post a couple to do only with the ps3. to include the psp ps2 tv laptops phones etc i'd be here til the ps5 if they make it that far
http://uk.gamespot.com/page...

once again i show up the ps3 fail sir ken kun-tagi-whatshisname.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 500 days 14 hours ago

1.16 - @Gam71

On the defensive??? Nah i'm cool;)
Nothing a xBot says on this effect me one bit!!! ;-D

The xBox 360 SHOULD be beating the Wii by now???
But it's not??? Strange???
Er yeah of course i'm saying that about the price. If the PS3 was cheaper when it came out it would be selling loads more. So the 'Wii' has millions of games then??? No it hasn't really.
+The price does matter to a lot of people. You will see in time!;)

+Yeah the PS3 is a bargain for what you get!!! I think. People spend £400+ on Mobile phones they lose in a week!!!
;-D
+Yeah xBox 360 has a few more games, but it came out a year before the PS3???+What you can get on the xBox 360 you can get for your P.C!!! ;-D Whats the point of owning one??? God knows.

+The PS3 is selling well??? Even without the so-called no games???
Er there has been LOADS of games for it this year???

Don't know why you love Micro$oft so much, they treat there customers like sh*t+charging you to use the xBox 360 everyday!!! ;-D
i.e xBox LIVE.
I play my internet games for FREE. Never had a problem with PSN to;)
+SONY's mistakes can be fixed. Micro$oft don't seem to care about RRoD(one of my friend has a xBox 360 and had it twice+Other people i know)

+I like SONY they make Quality Gear(You shouldn't believe all you read on the internet!!!Mainly LIES about SONY)

+Your last bit...WHAT?????????? ;-D
The PS3 hasn't failed!!! ;-D Man you are BLIND!!!(No offence!!!)
;-D The xBox 360 is a failure!!! ;-D
Once again Gammy71178976 whatever your called, you xBots talk cr*p!!! ;-D
(No offence!!!) ;)

p.s Lets see if the xBox 360 sells more than the Wii when the 60GB xBox 360 version comes out. It should beat the Wii??? If not WHY???
;-D
+You can have the UK(not for long) + the US(not for long) sales, i'll have the rest of the Worlds sales!!! ;-D +i thought the PS3 sold more anyway in July??? Oh well...

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nice_cuppa - 501 days ago

2 - odd how they group ps1, 2 & 3 and ds & wii together

against 360 !
If thats the way shouldn't it be 360, pc's and mobile devises running windows & zune ?

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Mike Bowden - 501 days ago

2.1 -

It's not against 360. It's just showing how small Sony's userbase of three consoles is in comparison with Nintendo's 2.

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Voiceofreason - 501 days ago

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Its hardware comparisons MS doesnt make PC, they just make Windows and most of the other programs that come with it. As far as Zune goes it cant be doing that good since we hear nothing about it.

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TheHater - 501 days ago

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if there is so many "droids" on this site, then why do Power of Green, Zuke, PP and others like them have more than 5 bubbles?

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Gam71 - 501 days ago

3.2 -

and why does nasim and sir ken etc have more than 8 accounts whislt the biggest fails have more than 7 bubbles.

Theres a lot of hate on this site. Want a conversation go elsewhere.

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PopEmUp - 500 days 23 hours ago

3.3 - ppl take a look @ Zerodin

and see for yourself of who is a droid, he been trashing ps3 thread almost everywhere, this guy just don't make perfect sense in anyway at at all

back on topic

well to me it look like this

PS2 vs Wii
Ps3 vs xbox 360
PSP vs DS

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Jandre02 - 500 days 23 hours ago

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No one(at least I hope no one) is delusional enough to think the PS3>Wii in hardware sales. The Wii is the fasting selling console in history.
But the PS3 is still beating the 360 in the US after the 360 had a price drop.

What this means, clearly, is that the 360 is dying in terms of demand. It was, and still is, a console for Halo fans with a few people who actually thought the 360 was the future so converted from Sony to Microsoft.

This is a two horse race come next year. The 360 is just a "me too" console, that tries to win over fans with things like 1 month exclusivity (wtf is that?) and buying a chance to play Sony's third party exclusives. Its the Hyundai of the gaming world, while the PS3 is the Mercedes. We all know what would happen to Hyundai if Mercedes would match its price point and keep all of its luxury features at the same time...

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nice_cuppa - 501 days ago

4 - are the ps3 guys happy with these numbers ?

i cant help but think with the power of the playstation brand and blu-ray playback it should be higher ! Wii and 360 must have taken alot of business from them ! What do you guys think ?

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Gam71 - 501 days ago

4.1 -

given how the ps3 was supposed to destroy the 360 this year (march 29th according to nasim but he's a nonce so everyone can ignore that) this has to be disappointing.
Thank god they had mgs4 or who knows what would have happened.

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PoSTedUP - 500 days 23 hours ago

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sony is happy with these numbers and they are doing really good for coming out at 600$ ya know.

the wii came out cheaper than a console last generation of course its gunna sell ridiculously well. 250$ compared to 500-600$.

i dont know about "destroy" but ps3 is outselling 360 so far this year even when its cheaper than the WII in EU ya know. october is gunna be another great month for ps3, LBP and socom.

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PopEmUp - 500 days 23 hours ago

4.3 - @4

well speaking about PS3 owners, I think they're quite happy in fact, you should really consider to take a look at Microsoft and see how poor there gaming business have goes compare to Windows/pc market, as you see they have numerous strategy to get the 360 price down just so they can ware down ps3 momentum, but just look at their world wide sale it's pretty obvious they loosing little by little in sale, but those will be count and the margin will grow.

About their price cut in Europe, we thought/ or should I say they (Microsoft)thought that would rise their sale up to par with the PS3, but instead it bring their sale down even further. For now they seem to be doing quite a good job to competing with PS3 in US, but we all know they got US as their home turf so it pretty obvious they will perform better than PS3, but if not it a game over for 360, and nasim will be laughing all the way to the bank and POG will be crying till noon of the next day

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Gam71 - 500 days 23 hours ago

4.4 -

and october will be a great month with fable 2.
nov will be amazing with GoW2

ms is making money over fist with the hw and software sales.
something sony cant compete with.

ive said it before. look at the market share and revenue for both companies.

ms is in a good position and you know it.
also aug will belong to ms going on the first two weeks ww hw sales.

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silverchode - 500 days 19 hours ago

4.5 - @gam

im guessing you get your info from vgcharts, the same place that said the 360 would beat the ps3 buy 50k+.

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chrisnick - 500 days 23 hours ago

5 - wait a minute...

300,000......at that rate it'll be about 8 years b4 it catches up to the 360......(oh wait.......their missing the sales numbers for january) so since they only checked from february, the ps3 has averaged 300,000 sales per month. which means it is probably ahead (as of 2008) by 600,000 for about half the year, if it keeps this pace up by itself that's 1.2mil for the year which also means that even if the 360 kept up its blistering pace (which won't happen due to the fact that it doesn't have appeal everywhere in the world) the ps3 should be ahead in about 4 years with no help. but by then i imagine ms would have dropped the price so much a 360 would cost about as much as a hd dvd player.

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Gam71 - 500 days 23 hours ago

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lol no appeal worldwide

wow you're c*cky considering it finally outsold in the us but as for august its behind again including in japan.

wait for the price drop, wait for GoW2, wait for the new sku.
Still plenty up ms sleeve.

600,000 for the year? what are you pulling these figure out of...

don't answer. I can tell its from the same place the diarrhoea you just spread over the screen for everyone to see came from.

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chrisnick - 500 days 23 hours ago

5.2 - umm

1. 600,000= overall lead + supposed average sales for january which was omitted
2.Japan? really?...seriously dude..don't be a retard.
3.ps3 is having a price drop as well
4.making a hardware point (sku) on a 360 is an automatic fail idc if its not out yet.
5.note u said "plenty up its sleeve" and names gow2, granted, im getting it and fable2...but as far as calling that plenty...learn to count im not gonna list the lineup for u...u know what it is.
6. diarrhea? mathematically it makes sense is all im sayin

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Gam71 - 500 days 22 hours ago

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Wow, you are a fail aren't you

1. 600,000= overall lead + supposed average sales for january which was omitted so how do you know what it was? 600,000 seriously. Don't be a retard. 7months and its around 250,000 and its losing so far in aug, look it up so that means ground lost and 4 months left which would mean if current trends stay exactly as they are maybe450-470,000 but if you think the price cut and new sku as well as GoW2 and fable2 wont have an effect you are a simpleton.

2.Japan? really?...seriously dude..don't be a retard. erm, on the rise for a month in hw sales coupled with the fact last week it sold 24,000 compared to 9,000 ps3 which has been dropping for weeks. Throw in last remnant and IU and is should keep 360 sales higher than normal.

3.ps3 is having a price drop as well ok and? how about you read your comment below. I'll rephrase for you "making a price drop point on a ps3 is an automatic fail, it's not happened yet"

4.making a hardware point (sku) on a 360 is an automatic fail idc if its not out yet. so why is that an automatic fail unless you're worried about how well it will do and you want to keep it out the convo. lol figured you out.

5.note u said "plenty up its sleeve" and names gow2, granted, im getting it and fable2...but as far as calling that plenty...learn to count im not gonna list the lineup for u...u know what it is. what? other than lbp and we know how the last system seller sold systems on the ps3 went. u know what it was what do you have for this year that can match those two?

6. diarrhea? mathematically it makes sense is all im sayin mathematically i've taken it apart. read my first response. mathematically and hypothetically and fixing all the variables to go your way you still got your maths wrong.

way to go fail.

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chrisnick - 500 days 21 hours ago

5.4 - sigh

u ppl don't read well do u?.....again..read the first post to see how i arrived at the 300,000 units for january...it makes sense...so 360 had a rare win in japan wooptifrickindoo....again on the hardware thing...failure rate, the end...u stupid stupid mf....are u calling gow2 a system seller?....are u out of ur chromosome ridden mind? im a gow fan....the first one may have been, but no way in hell gow2 is gonna push consoles most of it is gonna be us who already played the first gears...as far as the rest of ur comment.....ur just not really saying anything...and replying to nothing isn't what i do (doesn't explain y i responded at all though)

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nice_cuppa - 500 days 23 hours ago

6 - quick question !

when i get a ps3 (waiting for price drop )
What are the best 5 games i should get that are out by year end ?
and 5 i should look forward too next year ?
I war thinking
1. Uncharted
2. Resistance
3. Resistance 2
4. ?
5. ?
# note
Motorstorm, mgs4 and lbp dont interest me at all !
Any help would be great !

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ThePeoplesChamp - 500 days 23 hours ago

6.1 -

you need warhawk my friend

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PoSTedUP - 500 days 23 hours ago

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MLB 08 the show - greatest baseball game to date.

NBA 08- best basketball game out IMO.

wow man i suggest you at least rent motorstom. thats my favorite ps3 game right there so far, its a heart pounding intence rush im telling you there is no game like it its soooo great and takes off road racing to a whole new level.

R&C looks really good.

im still yet to play warhawk.

i herd HS was really good from numerous people. idk look into em'.

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PopEmUp - 500 days 23 hours ago

6.3 - In my category

Warhawk (if u like playing online), MGS4 (if u r MGS fan or like it game), R&C, Folklore (if u like rpg), motorstorm, (if u like racing), but for me i like Ridge Racer, if you like drifting in a car game

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Jandre02 - 500 days 21 hours ago

6.4 - socom with mic

EVERY PS3 OWNER NEEDS THIS

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360 Wii PS3 Yup - 500 days 23 hours ago

7 - @nice cuppa

Im sorry for you that mgs 4 doesnt interest you because that game is a masterpiece. LBP looks to be really good to. Maybe you should try them out before you judge them. Mass Effect didn't interest me then I finally played it and 150 hours later Its one of my favorite games of all time.

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Jandre02 - 500 days 22 hours ago

8.1 - HAHA

Go on...

(BTW, get ready for more "George Bush" claims from 360 fans.) Hmm the 360 is still kicking ass by losing to the PS3 every month regardless of what they do.

360>>>PS2, but thats it. If you really want a 360 you might as well wait until the holiday season is over. You will get one really cheap from EB Games, since a good deal of people will probably be trading in their 360's to gain credit towards a new PS3.

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Jandre02 - 500 days 21 hours ago

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Nice try? Has the 360 been kicking ass somewhere this year that i dont know about? I mean I would love for Zerodin, pp, POG, or whoever else to provide SOMETHING concrete showing that the 360 is "kicking ass".

Bet $10 no one provides anything at all, maybe they will bring up how GTAIV sold more on the 360 with a higher install base again? The PS3 has sold more YTD than any Microsoft console ever has. With Halo gone, no HD standard, faulty hardware, and a recently failed price drop, what makes people think the 360 is going to somehow turn the tide on Gears 2 and a $299 premium alone?

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chrisnick - 500 days 21 hours ago

8.4 - @jandre

finally someone who gets it.

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pwnsause - 500 days 21 hours ago

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LOLOLOLOLOL yea i know, a 5 million gap between both systems, oh wait...

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