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Rare: Our 360 titles could have GoldenEye effect

Speaking to VideoGamer.com Rare senior software engineer Nick Burton has revealed that he believes the studio's 360 titles could well be remembered by today's gamers in the same way a generation looks back on N64 classic GoldenEye.

When asked if Rare is releasing games now that will have a similar effect on these people as older games did with an older generation of gamers, Burton was confident that they would.

"I think that already happened," stated Burton. "It's funny when you get fan mail. We do. We get quite a bit. Some for old stuff, quite a lot for new stuff.

"Whether we have as many of them or more, you'll have to ask me in 10 years time. But then again the market's much bigger, it's much more diverse, there's many more games."

When asked directly if the games Rare is putting out on the Xbox 360 could be this generation's GoldenEye experience, Burton replied: "Could be, yeah. It would be a different experience from GoldenEye without a doubt."

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Silogon - 459 days 22 hours ago

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Yeah, cause Kameo and Perfect Dark are both incredible games that broke down the walls of gamers expectations the world over.

Rare, do me a solid... shut up.

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green - 459 days 21 hours ago

1.1 - Disagree with you silogan

I believe this time silogan it's you that needs to shut up.

Kameo was a fantastic launch title and was only handicapped by the very small install base at the time.If that game was launched today it will do much better because if you actually go back Kameo, you will realise that it has not aged one bit.Why do you think that alot of 360 fans are crying out for a Kameo sequel?

Perfect dark on the other hand has aged badly but in 2005, it was aa very enjoyable game.When you start a mission you have the ability to choose your basic weapons.the environment where all very different, breakaway armor on the enemies, multiple paths and co-op.Also don't forget that it employed a squad based multiplayer system.

EDIT: One question, have you played Viva Piniata?That game is one very innovative game that got a lot of great reviews and the sequel looks even better.

Banjo Nuts and Blots could end up a surprise hit because every single post E3 preview have had nothing but praise for the game.

So instead of telling then to "Shut up" , why don't you applaud them for setting such standards for themselves.

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FreeMonk - 459 days 21 hours ago

1.2 - Nah....

When Rare was producing games for the SNES & N64, the games they were releasing were top notch games and now classics!!

Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye, Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark.

Those games are classics, and will be remembered by many a fan. That was when Rare had it's original founders and team. Now a majority of that team have left Rare, with most of them working for Free Radical.

Now I have no doubt that Rare will produce some nice titles. Kameo was a great game, as was Viva Pinata..but will they match the quality of previous titles...somehow I don't think so.

I'd love to see it, but Rare is not the company it was 10 years ago, which is a shame!

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juuken - 459 days 21 hours ago

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I agree FreeMonk. Goldeneye, Killer Instinct, and DonkeyKong were classics. I never played GoldenEye but I loved Killser Instinct. I had that for the SNES and gameboy. It'll be good to see them bring back some classics though.

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solidsnakus - 459 days 21 hours ago

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i dont know but i think rare is starting to suck, WAIT!! but its only because Ms is making them work on shiity titles now. if they made a proper perfect dark( one that isnt rushed and incomplete) it would of been a really great game. i still have PDZ and still think its a great game.

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Bonsai1214 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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except the core snes/n64 team of rare people left..

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dachiefsman - 459 days 20 hours ago

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jebus negative nancy. do you ever say anything postive? you remind me of one of those rich chicks who b*tch all the time when they should be happy with their situation.

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callahan09 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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360 games Perfect Dark & Kameo are both un-fun and ugly in my opinion. I played them each about 1 year after launch, and couldn't stand them. Not even close to the caliber of Rare's older work.

I tried Viva Pinata, and that is by far their best game since Microsoft acquired the studio, but I didn't personally like that game either. It was a rather interesting, pretty, and deep game, but not my cup of tea. Rare still hasn't made one thing I've enjoyed since they released Conker's Bad Fur Day back on the N64.

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 20 hours ago

1.8 - @dachief: It's not just negativity, he's got nothing of value to contribute to a sensible discussion.

This article from the other day explains him perfectly...

"The STFU mentality isn’t designed to foster debate, rather to shut it down... STFU isn’t criticism, it’s attempted intimidation. Why attempt to silence any developer when their words provide an opening for the kind of further inquiry and pointed questions that will generate more fruitful discussions?"

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solidsnakus - 459 days 20 hours ago

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wow , cant belive you guys dont like PDZ. really good game IMO, it was totaly rushed and its apparent in the animations being all out of sync. but the controls and gameplay is solid.still fun to this day i play it once in a while to play some infection mode.

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deeznuts - 459 days 18 hours ago

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Just tried Kameo last night ... I pass. Not my cup of tea apparently.

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foodbox - 459 days 17 hours ago

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Disclosure: I've not played Perfect Dark.

BUT, I have played the HELL out of Kameo. It is an exceptional game. From your loud-mouthed nonsense, we can tell you've never played Kameo, because for those who do, they have a great respect for it.

Kameo is one of the most under-rated games of the generation.

And, clearly you've also *never* played Viva Pinata, which, again, is massively under-appreciated.

Sure, both games have a very-good-sized fanbase crying out for sequals (yay! Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise!)...

And, from everything we've seen of Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, they've got a very serious hit under-development.

You're anti-MS rage has caused you to speak out your anus, perhaps you should take your FUD to the open zone? I think you should >

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power of Green - 459 days 17 hours ago

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There was nothing wrong with Kameo, the 360 ;aunch period had a much differnt demographic. lol

Pefect dark was a great rushed title that had to make launch. I know insider MSFT game testers, Perfect Dark Zero 2 is going to be huge(multi player huge, more realistic appoach, massive battles).

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PistolPumptMonk - 459 days 22 hours ago

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Um. yeah. Not happening.

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Masko - 459 days 19 hours ago

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cuz yeah, u work for rare right. shut up already

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PistolPumptMonk - 459 days 18 hours ago

2.2 - @Masko

haha calm down there ol' buddy, let me explain myself before you get your panties in a bunch.

I'm not saying that Rare doesn't have talented people working for them, or that they aren't capable of putting out amazing games.

But with so many great games coming out nowadays, and with every genre being over saturated with gems, what are the chance that another game could have the impact of GOLDENEYE.

We're talking about one of the most amazing games of my childhood, and being someone who has played all the great games of late, I just don't see that happening again.

I will now CLARIFY by saying that this not happening is an opinion, and yes, I will give Rare a snowball's chance in hell of developing a title that completely rocks the gaming world. And no, Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie do not count. Also, before you go telling people to shut up, work on not being such a punk. Thanks.

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PS360WII - 459 days 22 hours ago

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Says the delusional man

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foodbox - 459 days 17 hours ago

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Kameo is exceptional. Viva Pinata is exceptional.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is looking to be a massive hit.

What part of this is confusing to you? Get your shiat straight.

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RememberThe357 - 459 days 14 hours ago

3.2 - What about Banjo looks like a "massive hit"

Like many of you GoldenEye was one of the best time I ever had with a game. Me and my friends would play it all night trying to get the golden gun and kick everyones ass. But what I've seen of Rare has been good but not great. GoldenEye, for it's time, was great, Perfect Dark, for its time, was great, and the list goes on. Rare does not seem like the same developer to me and operantly they aren't considering most of those guy are with Free Radical now. I can completely respect your love for the games they make now, but they are not the same quality of the past. I have not seen anything in Banjo that impressed me at all. Maybe I'll see something else but I kind of doubt it.

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DaKid - 459 days 22 hours ago

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Its a good goal. If they keep trying to work towards this goal more power to them, I wish them luck.

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himdeel - 459 days 21 hours ago

4.1 - I agree...

...it's a lofty goal but when Golden Eye came out it was a VERY different time. A lot has changed.

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RadientFlux - 459 days 22 hours ago

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I don't see why they couldn't. Heck any game developer has a chance of creating a masterpiece. Sure some developers are more likely than others but the chance is still there.

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Immortal Kaim - 459 days 21 hours ago

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Exactly, we all know RARE are capable of making masterpieces, we are just yet to see something of that calibre This Gen.

No one can say with absolute certainty that they won't achieve that high level of creation again. I suppose we will have to wait and see.

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 21 hours ago

5.2 - Agreed

And Rare has a track record of producing masterpieces... so their chances are better than most. I suspect they'd also be their own worst critics and given they know what they're working on as opposed to idiots that seemingly know it all like Siligon, I'm happy to give them the benefit of doubt.

Plus if you look at their history they went through a similarly underwhelming stage with the NES before they hit it big with Donkey Kong Country on SNES (maybe Banjo this time?), and then followed with five years of megahits on the N64.

Kameo and Viva Pinata were both solid titles and despite the aging of Perfect Dark it still managed 81 on Metacritic.

They haven't had that Goldeneye yet. But I read on IGN or EDGE that Banjo could very much be the Goldeneye of Platforming... personally I can't wait to find out! :)

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JEDI WOLVERINE - 459 days 21 hours ago

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I think people would agree with you regarding Perfect Dark but Kameo?

Alot of people say that this is better than most Mario outings and is certainly a solid 4/5 in my book.

As regards the future - sure give them enough time and support and im sure theyll blow us away.

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juuken - 459 days 21 hours ago

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It's a good goal but the problem is...can they reach it?

Lol @ the disagrees. I haven't heard from Rare in a long time so it would be interesting to see what they can do with games now. I never asserted I didn't have faith in them.

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green - 459 days 21 hours ago

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You have not heard from them in a while because you have not played Viva Pinata.

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juuken - 459 days 21 hours ago

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Exactly. I haven't played any Rare games in a long time. I was being honest when I said I was interested in what they were going to do now.

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green - 459 days 20 hours ago

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I would advise you to got to a buddy's house that owns a 360, either rent Viva pinata or at least download the demo and play it.I can assure you that when you experience Viva, you would realize that RARE have still got sh*t loads of talent running in them.

I was once like alot of people on N4G regarding RARE but after playing Viva and reading the incredible positive post E3 previews of Banjo 3 and Viva 2, i now have no doubt in my mind that RARE are still great.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/a...
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juuken - 459 days 19 hours ago

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I'll give it a shot when I get my 360.

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TheExecutive - 459 days 21 hours ago

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RARE is just a name now, it is not populated by the same people it once was.

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 21 hours ago

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Read the full interview... 1/3 of the original Goldeneye team remain at Rare.

Also I'd point out that many people who made the classic NES, SNES & N64 games were not around very long by virtue of the tense relationship with Nintendo and the attitude/working conditions of the Stampers. For example many people who worked on Battletoads did not work on Donkey Kong Country, many people who worked on DK Country did not work on Goldeneye, many people who worked on Goldeneye did not work on Conker... etc.

Rare was a great developer, is a great developer and by all indications will continue to be a great developer.

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 21 hours ago

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Arrrggghhh those N4G Gremlins made me double post... :/

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militant07 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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rare is one of best developmer
why ??
VIVA PINAT

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Swatjr101 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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Koncer's bad fur day

Or how every you say it

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Arsenic13 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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*Sigh* Conker's Bad Fur Day.......

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Arsenic13 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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The only game i can say they made that was good so far was Viva Pinata, there was way to much to do for it to be a kids game! They need to make a Conker 2. They have the tech to make a highly detailed rude little squirrel in spoofs of current games. Just imagine Conkers head in Marcus Fenix's armor! They need to make this game!

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Swatjr101 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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They did make a number 2

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Arsenic13 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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No they didn't. It was a remake for Xbox with Xbox live, and LESS SWEARING. It wasn't a sequel.

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Swatjr101 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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Okay

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PimpHandStrong - 459 days 20 hours ago

13 - GoldenEye effect?

what does he mean by that? I didnt read the article because RARE has been in the news of late pumping the360 fanbase!

GoldenEye was a great game but its more myth then fact in todays world of FPS's! You can take the average FPS of the last year and it blows GoldenEye out of the water

Rare needs to just shut up and make some good games!

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 20 hours ago

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You do realise the reason you have great console FPS titles now is largely thanks to Goldeneye? Although you didn't get his metaphor, so maybe you don't... :/

You should read my earlier post on those who use STFU as an argument. ;)

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ukilnme - 459 days 19 hours ago

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@ Superfragilistic

You are my hero.

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PimpHandStrong - 459 days 19 hours ago

14 - i didnt say STFU

i said shut up

if you dont understand the difference in that then maybe you dont understand much of anything ppl write

Have you tried to play GoldenEye anytime over the last year? Well i have

Its a single stick shooter that doesnt hold up well to time!

GoldenEye was not the reason FPS's became what they are and the only reason you think that is because the guys that made it are 360 devs

I think Id would have a couple words for you! Caslte Wolfenstine and Doom are what started FPS's and GoldenEye was just one of the better ones that came out AFTER those games

get a grip dude

GoldenEye like i said is more MYTH then FACT

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 19 hours ago

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Errr they'd be PC FPS, as opposed to Goldeneye the father of console FPS... lol

And just like your failure to understand Rare's Goldeneye metaphor, you clearly fail to understand the STFU metaphor... yes it includes telling developers to "shut up" as well. :)

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kevnb - 459 days 19 hours ago

15 - What did you expect?

Did you think rare would answer that question with "no, I think we are a shell of our former selves and will never make a game as successful as Golden Eye again."?

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PimpHandStrong - 459 days 19 hours ago

16 - ok maybe i should say

Rare should be quiet till they have a game worth talking about!

Is that better!

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Superfragilistic - 459 days 18 hours ago

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Nah it's cool mate, we just disagree. :)

I just believe that developers talking, even when sh!t like "Bigger, Better and More Badass" is giving me headaches, is important and valuable as it opens up a dialogue with gamers and gives us an insight into what they're up to and how they're minds tick.

The more discussion we generate, the more avenues can be explored, the better games we'll receive, and hopefully that will eventually push games to a level where even non-gamers recognise it as art.

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Morgue - 459 days 19 hours ago

17 - Uh

No comment.

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waseem335 - 459 days 21 hours ago

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really like perfect dark? lmaohahaha

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waseem335 - 459 days 19 hours ago

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but not as good as resistance

burn!! burn!!

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Kleptic - 459 days 16 hours ago

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Rare isn't Rare anymore...what is with all their BS PR lately?...

yeah Haze sucked...but Rare will never touch the greatness that it used to create without the people that created Free Radical...

it is obvious they don't even realize what the 'goldeneye effect' even was...it was a shooter that was WAY ahead of its time for consoles...hell most of the guys that make up Rare now weren't even in college when Goldeneye released...

Rare has been pumping out MS ass-kissing all week now...show something impressive, and it will be alright...but luke-warm impressions of BK won't cut it...

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Arsenic13 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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You fanboys and your perpetual virginity. Your all so precious.

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CouchKing0 - 459 days 20 hours ago

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Keep on trying Rare, you'll get it right someday.

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Pain - 459 days 19 hours ago

3.1 - I dont see how they can

Considering that Half... like the good half..of left Rare when M$ bought them, they working at Free rad..aka the Timespitter /haze guys.

Haze was a great game played like a dream .sure story was Wack but its a adult aimed game so thats why the kiddy and tweens never got it.

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highps3 - 459 days 19 hours ago

4 - I dont think they get fan mail

Thats it.

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Viktor E - 459 days 19 hours ago

5 - After the tremendous Flop that was Perfect Dark Zero

I Strongly Disagree with the Developers statement

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Hockey11 - 458 days 21 hours ago

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Your are teh immature, you are teh living in your parents basement. Please do yourslf a favor and accomplish something in life. Start by losing weight so you can fit through the door to outside.

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air1 - 459 days 14 hours ago

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and sony isnt about the games anymore like it was last gen. how could you ppl praise sony the company with more studios than micro and ninty but is lacking behind both of them? you turds have a good tolerance at waiting.

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Egzekutor - 459 days 12 hours ago

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We actually have really good first party titles to look out for.. Thats why we wait. Whats been said by SONY that PS3 will deliver unmatched graphics and performance is slowly becoming true.. Just like the PS2, more and more nice games like Killzone 2 or Heavy Rain are slowly popping up in trailers. Those are first party games. Those games look that good because those developers are dedicated to one system and they learn about one system all the time.

If you look at PS2, it didn't have great graphical titles at the beggining, but you can see how that changed when Resident Evil 4 was released. Give PS3 a 2-3 years just like the Saints Row 2 developer said and then you will see how this generation changes. Many of you think that in 2-3 years time it wont matter because new consoles will be out.. Actually even if they do come out with a 16 core processor, this whole developing process will be repeated and you will see better titles on PS3 than PS4.

Why would you need to change your console when you still have a great machine which you bought years ago, that still plays Blu Ray etc..
PS3 is about next gen and it wont die out that quickly.

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Old Snake - 459 days 13 hours ago

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Is this guy serious? They haven't released one triple a game for 360 yet. Does he honestly think people will be talking about Kameo, Perfect Dark, and Viva Pinata 10 years from now?

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thekingofMA - 459 days 6 hours ago

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Kameo: No (good game, but a strange launch title that wasn't well known)

Perfect Dark: No (the game was rushed and it showed-a sequel could possibly be remembered, depending if MS puts some advertisement into it...)

Viva Pinata: yes-i see this franchise expanding massively. the halo of xbox casual games for the future (that just put a great idea into my head: a viva pinata shooter-just think of the pinata effects that you could see)

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