Microsoft Spending $300+ Million To Tell Consumers Vista Doesn't Suck

JsonHenry - 537 days 6 hours ago

Yes, N4G is very biased. At least it sure as hell seems that way.

But I have been using vista ultimate 64 bit for over a month now and I love it. Not sure why every one complains.

You don't expect a video game that come out recently to run as fast on a PC that came out in 2001 would you? An operating system with the same upgrades to looks and features is the same way.

And if you want to compare Vista to XP then you better do it on an even playing field. Dont run a machine on XP that has 2 gigs of RAM and say XP is better. Because the minimum requirements when XP launched was 128megs of RAM. Run both OSes on the same bare minimum machine and Vista beats the hell out of XP.

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Madgunner - 537 days 6 hours ago

i think its so much bullsh1t that everytime something controverisal comes along N4G is biased... u kiddin me right now right?, lets go back to the launch of the ps3 and 12 months in the running... im not gona say how many ps3 is a failure articles were out there, how bout all those ariticles about devs jumping ship, blu ray was a mistake, 3 bill on losses, no games, ... but now that microsoft is going thru some sh1t n4g is biased yeah... thats cool.. NEWS FLASH its not N4G making microsofts console RROD, is not N4G fault that SONY IS making their psn compareable to Xboxlive on each update and its CERTAINLY not N4G's Fault that microsoft droped the ball on VISTA according to most consumers. NEWS is NEWS GET OVER IT k thanks bye

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Xi - 537 days 6 hours ago

it's like comparing hl2 vs hl.

My pc can run half life a lot better than it can run half life 2... Does that mean half life 2 sucks? No, it means that hl2 has been improved and as a result it requires a new, more advanced technology.

Thats the same concept with windows xp vs vista.

However the real question becomes, is the preformance cost significant enough to warrent the advantages of vista?

Edit for Charmers:
that's debatable, windows offers some improvements, like DX10 and it does a lot more with multi-threaded aplications. Its got a couple very useful apps related to work, it has some decent multi-media contro and it's got some nice little functions here and there.

The largest drawback is that it's a resource hog, but that should no longer be a problem since you can get like 4 sticks ddr2 for like 150 bucks.

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Charmers - 537 days 6 hours ago

the thing is Half life 2 brought more to the table, better graphics, enhanced gameplay that kind of thing. Vista on the other hand brings absolutely NOTHING to the table that XP doesn't do just as well. This is the thing, when I buy a new PC part I want it to be faster, cheaper and smaller. The only thing that never does that is the OS that just keeps getting slower, more expensive and larger.

The key problem with Vista isn't that it's bad, it just doesn't do anything that XP doesn't do just as well so why bother with it. I have a quadcore 2.4ghz, 3gbs of RAM with 8800gts and 99% of the time I run XP, I only keep vista on as a dual boot system to try out Dx10 games (which often dissappoint).

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Testo - 537 days 4 hours ago

If you look at the course of Windows upgrades most of them require a small jump in system requirements.....

Win 98:
# 486DX-2/66 MHz or higher processor
# 16MB of RAM
# 500 MB free HDD

Win2000:
Pentium processor of 133 MHz
32 MB of RAM,
700 MB of hard drive space,
CD-ROM drive.

WinXP:
233 MHz
Memory 64 MB RAM1
HDD Space 1.5 GB or higher
Drives CD-ROM drive or DVD drive

And now the "jump" to Vista:

Vista:
800 MHz
Memory 512 MB RAM
Graphics card DirectX 9 capable
Graphics memory 32 MB RAM
HDD free space 15 GB
Other drives DVD-ROM

That being said, these are the minimum requirements for Vista but I can guarentee you that Vista will run painfully slow at anything close to these specs.

How you expect a business to keep up with this?

Once Vista dropped are we supposed to upgrade the 10000+ machines that are in use in the company I work for?

With every other OS you could get by with a small upgrade, Vista couldn't work on probably half of the PC's available the day it came out.

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ChrisGTR1 - 537 days 4 hours ago

i dont know why theres so many vista haters on this site. you dumbasses must of been the same people that said windows xp suckd back when you were using win 98, hypocrites

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Testo - 537 days 4 hours ago

I just noticed thats 4x the processor speed.
8 times the RAM and 10 times the hard drive space.

You learn something new everyday =)

EDIT: Hey Chris.... Did you even READ my post? =)

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DraconWolfX - 536 days 17 hours ago

There's some flaws in your arguements.

First, the time span between Win98/2000/XP were only 2 years a piece. The jump from XP to Vista was what, more than 5 years? PCs jumped a HUGE amount in those 5 years in terms of hardware for the price.

Secondly, try running Windows XP on the minimum specs you mentioned. I guarantee it runs very, very slowly on a 233 with 64mb of ram.

In terms of hard drive space, when XP came out hard drives averaged from 10gb on the low end to 40/80gb on the higher end.

Now hard drives range from 120gb on the lower end to a terabyte on the higher end. 1.5gb for XP was a little more than 10% of HD space on a 10gb, while 15gb of space is guess what, 10% of lower end now! Go figure!

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Testo - 536 days 16 hours ago

"First, the time span between Win98/2000/XP were only 2 years a piece. "

This is true but I'm sure you can see the minimal jump from even 98 to XP, compared to XP and Vista.

Win 98:
# 486DX-2/66 MHz or higher processor
# 16MB of RAM
# 500 MB free HDD

WinXP:
233 MHz
Memory 64 MB RAM1
HDD Space 1.5 GB or higher
Drives CD-ROM drive or DVD drive

2x the processor speed
4x the RAM
3 Times the HDD space.

That's with a jump of 2 OS's.

You can't expect general public to keep up with technology like most of us. A 5 year wait with no need for a hardware upgrade puts most people behind the times.

"In terms of hard drive space, when XP came out hard drives averaged from 10gb on the low end to 40/80gb on the higher end. "

Average size for HDD for the end of 2001 was closer to 30 + gig's
http://www.alts.net/ns1625/...

So it's closer to 1/20th the HDD size.

Dracon, why would people be complaining about Vista if it was a cheap upgrade? Also why is Microsoft currently forcing us to "upgrade" to Vista by not selling XP licenses anymore?

I purchased a top of the line PC in 2005 and yet my performance in Vista is minimal.

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watashi hideo kojima - 536 days 9 hours ago

every new version of windows shouldnt mean we all must upgrade.we should have a choice from new and prev. versions whichever suits fine.because windows is not exploring the mars it is just little tweaks here and there mostly visual.

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Adamalicious - 536 days 9 hours ago

My friend set up his Grandparents brand new, reasonably spec'd (exceeds all minimum requirements) HP with Vista for them. He turned off everything you can turn off and it can't even run solitaire properly. Move a window and it jerks across the screen. Vista - totally pared down - is eating like 800 megs of RAM. That's just ludicrous for main-stream computer users.

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Fanboi - 536 days 19 hours ago

Are you seriously recommending people use a Mac? Thats dumb beyond on comprehension, Vista hate is understandable, but using anything Mac smack of ignorance.

The Mac has been, and still is, the most overpriced and expensive computing platform on the market. EVERYTHING about the Mac is a ripoff. Just because it suck less than Vista does not make it a viable alternative. Thats crazy talk.

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shazam - 536 days 12 hours ago

but hey you get what you pay for

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Adamalicious - 536 days 9 hours ago

I would challenge you to actually price compare a few different Macs against comparably equipped competitors. I think if you do you'll find that the prices tend to be a lot more similar than you'd think - sometimes the Mac is actually less expensive. There are plenty of articles out there on this topic - like this one: http://www.computerworld.co...

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Sevenfeetunder - 537 days 7 hours ago

It's a resource hog, it's still buggy, one of its selling points is DX10 which makes games run very slow for almost no visual gain, it does not improve very much from XP. Overall it isn't bad, but right now XP is a safer choice.

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TheIneffableBob - 537 days 6 hours ago

I'm not a fan of Vista, but in what ways is it buggy? In my time with Vista, I didn't encounter any noticeable bugs. The only thing that keeps me from switching is the slow performance in my favorite games, particularly Team Fortress 2. That situation is improving, though.

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NRG - 537 days 6 hours ago

Clearly, some flawless logic right here.

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SaiyanFury - 537 days 5 hours ago

@NRG

No kidding...

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Premonition - 537 days 6 hours ago

If your talking about the new leopard, I think its pretty sleek.

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Xi - 537 days 6 hours ago

I'm talking about the dumb commercials featuring that guy who looks like he dropped out of college, and the PC guy who's funny and does stuff for the daily show.

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mariusmal - 537 days 6 hours ago

me to.. running a new machine with vista ultimate. and i'm happy with it. and yes i remember the times when XP was the next bad thing.. and it turned out a good OS.

VISTA now has the same performance as XP, it just needed time to get video drivers and stuff.

PROOF ? http://www.extremetech.com/...

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mariusmal - 537 days 6 hours ago

i'm not a big fan of microsoft but i gotta agree with you. they made the pc gaming into what it is today. and without PC's.... no consoles and console gaming.

yes i know i'm gonna get 234294823948 disagrees. but i'm just stating my opinion, so fanboys and flammers... stay away plz

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solar - 537 days 6 hours ago

im not a 360 fan at all. great games, great online, yet faulty hardware. yet ppl keep buying it....that escapes me. would you buy a car that has known powertrain problems? i wouldnt.

but yes. MS has done so much for technology we have today. i cant hate them. i do all my online gaming on PC. and i <3 MS for that.

edit: and eff the disagrees. so many ppl on this site have personal vendetta's to only hand you out disagrees. hell i had 9 bubbles but i started calling out the ps3 fanboys for acting like brats and i got 2 knocked away. hilarious stuff :P

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dikturbo - 537 days 6 hours ago

Then without Henry Ford there wouldn't be mass vehicle assembly lines. How's your FORD? What, you don't own one? You mean there are alternatives that might do the job better and faster?

Not trying to hammer you, just your point is flawed.

My question would be, "Why does MS feel the need to spend such a vast amount of money against a competitor with less than 10% market share?"

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gogators - 537 days 6 hours ago

and I applaud those that try. Have a bubble. Your are right the 360 has some very faulty hardware. Only the games and online aspects, dispite costing extra, keep it relevant at this juncture.

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juuken - 537 days 3 hours ago

I don't understand the xbots and people who support MS. They act as if this company has never done anything wrong. Vista is a terrible program. I've heard things about it on youtube and my uncle has it. You can't install some programs on it and it causes issues.

No thanks, I'll stick with XP.

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karlostomy - 537 days 1 hour ago

Microsoft ALSO made xp.
And XP also had issues to start with.
oops.

Sometimes you look a bit silly, don't you, Juuken?

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Tmac - 537 days 6 hours ago

Lol let it go.. Vista just sucks.

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juuken - 537 days 4 hours ago

My uncle said the same thing...until he started installing programs. Then it started giving issues.

Vista sucks.

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SonySoldierEternaL - 536 days 8 hours ago

Vista more or less forced me to buy a Mac. Vista demolished my Vaio

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FAQS - 536 days 21 hours ago

Q:oh? u have it?
A: I don't know about that guy, but I have it on my portable PC and let me say something to you: It's the WORST OS I have expericed: It's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, it's CONFUSING, HARD TO WORK, TO SAVE FILES, EASY TO LOSE FILES, (yeah I work whith my computers), HAVE INCOMPATIBLE ISSUES WHITH OTHER PROGRAMS, THE UPDATES ARE NONSENSE AND TAKE HOURS TO DO...SO STFU...I must admit, I have XP pack 2 in my home PC and is Great, but this Vista is not a upgrade, it's a terrible DOWNGRADE!,,,and by the way my sh!tty computer is an HP!!!!

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madjedi - 536 days 21 hours ago

And does it matter if it is a high end, middle end, low end, it is a damn file system, why the hell does a filing system need the same hardware that 3d shooters, or other system demanding games need, espically 15 gigs of hdd space?

As previous os's have shown, the basic same amount of work can be down with little to no performance decrease, on a system that has alot lower specs.

Okay vista praisers exactly what does vista do 5 times better or fast than xp, hell even 2x. If you can't come up with any worthwhile answers is it little surprise people look at vista as a joke, and ask why the hell would i upgrade to vista.

*And to address a later post, people can hate microsoft and vista, that own ps3's or 360's even and because they are ps3 fans doesn't mean that the hate is only because they are sony fanboys.

My anger/loathing of microsoft started long before they were even in the console market, regardless of me being a ps3 fanboy.

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juuken - 537 days 4 hours ago

It amazes me how you xbots think. Ooooh, it's PS3 owners who think Vista sucks. Even IF I wasn't a Sony fan, I would say that the damn thing sucks. I should be able to install all of my previous programs without a damn hiccup.

And that's why I shall stick with XP because it's the best software MS came up with.

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Bzone24 - 537 days 4 hours ago

Ok, name one person over here that is bashing Vista that isn't a ps3 fanboy or fangirl. So far I see only ps3 fanboys and you.

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juuken - 537 days 4 hours ago

How do you know all of them are Sony fans? I just said to you that even IF I wasn't a fan, I would think Vista sucks. My uncle had a not so good experience with it. Some programs don't work with it at all, which sucks.

Get over it.

Once they consider improving it, maybe I'll make the switch.

GET OVER EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Just because I like a few things about the 360, doesn't mean I have to bend over backwards for Microsoft like you xbots do 24/7.

If Microsoft did cure AIDS, I would actually give them a standing ovation. That would mean that they actually did something good in their miserable years as a money grubbing corporation.

I simply don't like Microsoft's tactics and the way they rip people off. I have nothing against Bill Gates actually because I like the fact he gives to charity. I respect those who give to charity. But when it comes to his staff...my respect goes out the window.

Please do continue supporting them. They must be glad to have xbots running around with their little mini skirts and pom poms!

Smile for the camera now! =)

And I am getting a 360, in fact I'm getting a Wii as well so I'll own three consoles. But like I said, just because I'm getting one, doesn't mean I have to bend over backwards for Microsoft.

Wow...Microsoft must have used some good mind control techniques on you guys there. I can't wait to see your faces when Sony pulls ahead in the console war.

A little video for you to see. x)

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Bzone24 - 537 days 3 hours ago

Past comments. None of them will deny being ps3 fanboys. But you are and I'm just saying that ALL of the negative comments over here about Vista is being made by ps3 fanboys.

You are a ps3 fangirl. It's in your blood to bash Microsoft. Stop trying to fool yourself. Microsoft could cure cancer and AIDS and you will still bash them. Sometimes you try and make a semi positive comment about Microsoft, but it eats you up inside. Stop the charade. You will never buy a 360.

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juuken - 537 days 3 hours ago

Want some more?
Tee-hee! ^^

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 536 days 22 hours ago

Juuken that first vid had me crackin up bigtime

But the second one..LOL! was just priceless.Good stuff!

And i love how Bzone just lost the urge to reply..

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