VG Chartz: PS3 First Year Sales Match X360's

Despite a common misconception, the PS3 is actually on par with the X360 in terms of sales by the end of their first year of release.

PS3: 5,552,074 sales
X360: 5,656,039 sales

Please note: If you consider VG Chartz 'inaccurate', its deviation of accuracy will be similar for all consoles.

Detailed chart after the jump.

[toughNAME]

the credibility of VG Charts is constantly challenged by Sony Fanboys (mostly because VG has the burden of being the bearer of bad news)

Yet this headline will bring the Sony boys in the hundreds...mashing the Disagree button as fast as they can

[wil4hire]

Sony Fanboys have nothing to do with how inaccurately VGchartz documents data.

NPD's data is always correct, and drastically different from what VGChartz has made up.

[the worst]

5 million plus with no gamez
10 million this year we got games now

[consolewar]

this year's beating. There's always a tomorrow Sony droids.

WAIT BEYOND

[oohWii]

"5 million plus with no gamez
10 million this year we got games now"

you forgot to tell the whole story. 5 Million plus with no gamez, 2 news skus, additional sku changes with bundles, Blu-ray disk give-aways, a clearance sale, and 2 price drops.

I don't think the 360 had to do any of those things in the first year that that's with RROD.

Edit: Also, a lot of people didn't buy the 360 in the first year because they wanted to see what the PS3 had to offer. Me being one of them. After the PS3 came out, my decision to get the 360 was that much easier.

The 360 had the RROD issue to contend with, which definitely hurt its sells. The PS3 had no such problems. And still came up slightly short.

[Rooftrellen]

"NPD's data is always correct"

That's fairly amazing when they, themselves, admit they aren't 100% accurate. I believe they are off by up to 5%.

The only way you could get 100% correct data is to have someone at every store counting every sale. Unless you can do that (NPD doesn't), there will always be some error.

NDP numbers are estimates, just as vgchartz is. Vgchartz, however, covers the world, not just NA, and they don't have as many sources, leading to less accurate estimates.

However, NPD is always wrong, as well, if more accurate, as well.

[AnalFace]

I'm laughing at you MART ahahahaha!

[Real Gambler]

"I don't think the 360 had to do any of those things in the first year that that's with RROD."

Yep, the 360 had NO COMPETITION for the first year!!! Why would they have done anything. Yet, the PS3 sold has many console in it's first year, despite the fact that it was more expensive... So now that games are plenty, and the price is down, what do you think will happen to the 360 after the Christmas sales if they want to compete with the Wii and the PS3... Watch out for the mega price drop on January second. They have no choice now. Anybody would be totally stupid to buy a 360 before Christmas...

[ruibing]

Hmm, a nice theory, but here's my take on it.

After the 360 came out, MS abandoned the Xbox, so all gamers would now need to buy a 360 for any MS games. In the meanwhile, they are essentially battling the PS2 and Gamecube with a next gen system meaning they had a monopoly.

Now we look at this year, when 360 is on its second year with more support and a bigger game library and the Wii with its insane popularity, yet the PS3 still manages to have the same amount of success the 360 had without cutting off life for the PS2 and equal competition from all sectors. Now that is something.

[dfcm2003]

"PM
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Ignore1.5 - @the worst
"5 million plus with no gamez
10 million this year we got games now"

you forgot to tell the whole story. 5 Million plus with no gamez, 2 news skus, additional sku changes with bundles, Blu-ray disk give-aways, a clearance sale, and 2 price drops.

I don't think the 360 had to do any of those things in the first year that that's with RROD. "

Yea 360 5.6 mil * .30 (%30 failure rate) - 5.6 mil sold = 3.9 actually working after just 12 months. Yea brag about your 360 lol.... Here is the Sadist Part of the whole thing, The 360 had NO COMPETITION and its all it could sell is 5.6. Yea laugh at the PS3 lol gezzz.

[jmoneezie]

What makes you think your theory is any better than oohwii's. At least he has an original theory, you guys sound like a broken record. "RROD" is all you guys talk about. After looking at both side (His and all of yours) his points IMO are more valid.

@1.8 "Yep, the 360 had NO COMPETITION for the first year!!! Why would they have done anything. Yet, the PS3 sold has many console in it's first year, despite the fact that it was more expensive"

Okay, LOOK BEYOND YOUR LOYALITY. Sony had a clearance on the 60 gig, did they do this out of the kindness of their hearts or did they notice the the PS3 wasn't selling. Why did they offer the 80 gig, to be nice or to make the PS3 appear more enticing? Why did they then (All in the first year mind you) drop the price of the 80 gig to 499, and then create the 40 gig sku and price it at 399.00. Let me guess, because they love their customers and wanted to do something nice. NO! they did it because they wanted to sell consoles. So no sh!t sherlock they sold 5.5 million, they practically had to pimp themselves to do that!

@1.9 - Read @1.8. Also, what do you call making the 40 gig sku not backwards compatible. In a way it's abandoning the PS2, in fact they are actually in their own wierd way sabotaging the loyal PS3 fanboy to try and sell more PS3 software. (Let's not even go into the software, I'm sure you'll be using the 360's year headstart the otherway around in that case.)

@1.10 - read @1.8 and @1.9 above, also you forgot to mention the PS3 failure rate (let me guess, you think it's 0 percent. yep that's what I figured.) You said "Here is the Sadist Part of the whole thing, The 360 had NO COMPETITION and its all it could sell is 5.6." okay, so why didn't you buy a 360 since it had no competition, because I'm sure had Sony not made the PS3, you'd have a 360 in it's place. Here's why you didn't, because you're a loyal sony fanboy and you decided to WAIT for the PS3. Is that not competition, do you not realize how many loyal sony fans WAITED for the PS3. Just because the PS3 wasn't on the shelves doesn't mean there wasn't any competition.

To all three of you, the biggest competition for the PS3 is NOT the 360 or the wii. It's its own older brother the PS2, that's right, kinda like have you brother beat up your other brother while the neighbors laugh at the one being beat up.

So, see it as you will I really don't care, I only made this post because although oohwii had some valid points, you guys did what fanboys here always do and just kept clicking "disagree". But, the fact is, whether it by 1 or 1000 units, the 360 still out sold the crowd favorite in their first years. And lets not talk software sells.

[ruibing]

I disagree with what you said on two points:

1) We are talking about what attributed for the PS3 matching the 360's sale, but the 40GB was not introduced until the end of its first year, not even a month for some territories.
2) Also, the lack of BC did not abandon the PS2 as it instead makes people who don't have one either buy a PS2 or a 80GB PS3. Abandoning the PS2 would be ceasing manufacturing on it (instead Sony has just released a new hardware slim revision that removes the external AC adapter suggesting it wants to fuel more life into it). I believe Sony wants the PS2 and PS3 to live side by side for all gamers so those who want the cheapest, yet most widely used, console available can get the PS2 and then simply upgrade to the 40GB later on when their favorite franchises from the PS2 appears on it.

[jmoneezie]

This is exactly what I am talking about. You're reading and comprehending ONLY what you want to hear. I never said Sony totally abandoned the PS2. What I said was "In a way it's abandoning the PS2" Meaning, the PS3 brand from the beginning was suppose to be fully backwards compatible. This was one of Sony's main selling points for the PS3 to try and get PS2 users to migrate to the PS3. They then (to save money) so-called phased out the 60 model with hardware compatibility and created the 80 gig which has less compatibility due to it being software compatible. After that, they released the 40 gig with 0 PS2 compatibility. In some ways, the IS abandoning the PS2. You're right, they didn't stop making it, because if they had they would be complete broke now because the PS2 has been their bread winner even since the release of the PS3.

You claim that the 40 gig had no impact on PS3 sells, I believe there were quite a few 40 gig models sold in europe. Which did indeed impact the bottom line for the PS3. Another argument being used is that the PS3 was not out in all territories during the initial launch. It's not the worlds problem that Sony chose to launch the way they did, in fact, the only did it they way that they did it because they didn't have the units for a world wide launch, and they had not worked all the bugs out for the PAL system yet.

Don't get me wrong man, I love my PS3 and My 360, I also love a good debate. (Not argument or bashing, just a good debate.) I just feel that although your argument has some valid points, and some great angles, you are NOT open to other peoples views even when logically at times they make more sense than yours.

[ruibing]

Your probably the first person I've had a debate with that actually came off as reasonable, so I'll try to keep my last counter points brief so as not to seem too bellicose.

No one was more shocked than me when the 40GBs were announced without BC (thought it was just going to be the 20GB with software emulation). But as time went on, I've begun hearing of my friends from home with PS2 eager to buy it or have already bought it. I agree Sony should have let BC remain, I mean I have the 60GB version for a reason (I never owned a single console before this), but it really remains to be seen whether it will pay off. Now the main question is whether this helped drive their PS3 sales, and the answer is that it didn't help as much as it could have (if they had retained BC) but it reduced each unit's cost (if you look at the PCB of each unit you'll see the reduction in discrete ICs and components).

As for how much 40GB has been sold for 1-2 months, I think it is pretty small percentage of 5.5 million. And again, I believe it would have accounted for more if they had retained BC, but without some polling we can't tell whether they were able to attract a larger market thanks to it.

I look forward to resuming this debate a year from now when the second year sales have been resumed. Cheers!

[jmoneezie]

Hey thanks for replying without appearing to be bellicose. I too would rather debate without being or appearing to be too pugnacious. It will be interesting to resume the debate in a year. By then the results should surely be compelling.

[gamesblow]

At 200 dollars more for the better half the year too. I impressive. Go Sony!

[SmokeyMcBear]

that is what amazes me.. at almost double the price.. with no games.. and having that crazy selling console the wii to deal with.. it still seemed to match the sales of that other console. Yet it is bashed to death.. gotta love the hate man.. LOVE IT.

[The Brave 1]

just wait till the heavy hitters start coming in(MGS4,Killzone,LBP,FF13,8 days,GT5 etc.)then u will see the powr of the playstation brand

[crck]

The only competition the 360 had its first year was the PS2 and no publications bashed its first year sales. The ps3 has had to contend with the 360, Wii as well as Sony's own Ps2. And all you get from these media outlets are constant bashing of the Ps3. Me thinks a certain software giant is shoveling money down the pants of some websites to create the illusion of failure. The ps3 hasn't caught fire like Sony had hoped but it is far from the doom and gloom that some sites would have us believe.

[Kleptic]

haha yeah...the ps3 had 2 other consoles to compete with its first year, and was nearly double the price of said competition, still managing to match that of the 360's first year...the 360 had not one "next gen" system to contend with its first year...only the PS2...of which kicked the utter shat out of the 360 that entire year...

the absolute worst first year of any Sony gaming console...matches that of MS's best launch...it has always been funny to see MS fanboys act like the 360 is going to dominate the PS3, yet in its first year with all its short comings...matched the 360's first year...will be interesting to see what happens through 2008 with MGS4, KZ2, FFXIII, GT5, etc....and the 360 having...Too Human?...

either way none of this crap matters...its just funny to see how many people have to pull their own foot out of their own ass after news like this...this single article shows how ridiculous it was for dumb feck fanboys to write off a system just months into its life cycle...and equally funny to the Sony fanboys that claimed the PS3 would destroy the 360 in just months...neither happened...the only thing that did happen was a girly little white box stole the year from both...

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

More than that, if both would sold 5m on first year, X360 also sells about 5m second year... So not only PS3 get on par with 360's first year, but also fight good with all it's problem and a first generation of games with the second year more stabilized and with now great games from 360 (aside Gears Of War, that is really good and is a first year game).

And don't matter if you go for NPD/Enterbrain/GfK numbers, which is way slower, they'll show you the same...

If you go for firm claiming, it gets worse. Microsoft clains that they sold 7 or 8m by GOW arrival... I don't remeber exacty. But then, this year, tey claim 12m... It's not more then 4m this year... Sony clains 6m. So, by firms, PS3 outsold X360 this year...

So, anyway you look, PS3 don't have made that bad at all... Still, I would not take any of this number to the heart... Even because they don't really matter.... I have a PS3, I'm now satisfacted with what I have and what is on the forseable future... So who cares anyway?

[MaximusPrime_]

cant complain. i expect Xbox 360 to be similar to PS3.

[Xbox is the BEST]

360 had a shortage till March/April of 2006.

[HarryEtTubMan]

Yea right stop lieing... There is no huge fanbase of Xbox fans. Thats why after releasing Halo thateir still at 13 million. Its gonna come in 3rd buddy. Like it or not.

[cr33ping_death]

so why is it that it wasnt bought up like crazy after the "shortages"?

[SmokeyMcBear]

the ps3 wasnt even sold in europe till march.. duhhhhhhhh.. touche'

[razer]

and look at all these disagrees. I remember calling and calling and sitting out front of stores when the 360 launched so I know exactly what he is talking about. Blame it on a worldwide simultaneous launch or whatever, you could not find a 360 on the store shelves until late January and some places even longer. Many might of just bought a PS2 or changed their minds all together.

And to answer the other comment: They did buy them up, but as with all things supply eventually catches up to demand. Unless you artificially starve the supply line like the Nintendo is doing.

Are we really trusting VGAChartz now?

[Xbox is the BEST]

None of these Sony fanboys tried to get a 360 at launch. They waited for an inferior game system.
Play Beyond

[lawman1108]

And that Circuit City only had 30 of them. The Wii was easy to get the 360 was not.

[lonestarmt]

What a silly argument. Did any xbots try to buy a ps3? No, what a lame comment.

You also forgot how hard it was to buy a ps3 when it first came out. Trust me it was hard. I had to get it two months later because they were damn near impossible. I had two friends at different targets and they would sell out faster than the wii's now. So thats a mute point because the same thing happened with the ps3, even more so, you didn't see 1,000 dollars 360s on ebay. lol. To be fair, most likely all those sales at first were by people who had zero attention of ever playing a ps3, and they were simply just trying to make a profit by selling it for twice as much. How quickly people forget things. lol

[PiTCHBLaCK]

The PS3 was hard to find, I Saw a PS3 on Ebay selling for almost $4,000, Each Console this generating had shortages.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Who really trusts VGcharts anyway?

Even if ps3 sales match first year xbox's sales, what does it matter? Ps3 continues to be in third place, it continues to sell the least amount of software, sonys first party games continue to bomb (not one game has sold a million since motorstorm), it continues to be outsold every month by 360 and wii, and multiplatform games continue to look and play better on the 360 or at the very least be equal on both platforms which is really sad. What sense does it make to pay for a more expensive console just to play sh!ttier games. Guess what? It doesnt. That is stupid as hell.

Stop living in the past sony fanboys.

[n4gno]

Don't dream xbot, it's over. (ratchet and clank, uncharted, cod4, ...)

xbox is far more expensive with only wifi and live, HD dvd drive and more. (and it's not quiet + rod)

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I've heard people call the PS3 a Inferior machine, I had to Look twice to see if I was seeing that right, an Inferior machine is one that dies on you A.K.A RROD, or one that sounds like a 1982 Cheval Malibu, or one that has a Tumor hanging out of it(Power Adapter), the only thing that the 360 Excels in is games, and that is because of It's year headstart.

But that would totally suck if you get the RROD when your totally attached to playing a game, the friggin Warranty Isn't even worth it, wait 2 weeks to play?, Tell that to any true gamer and they would be Like WTF?.

I'll admit, I Don't have a 360, I Do have a PS3, So Let me Tell you this, The Power Cord on the PS3 is not no bulky Tumor, It's a REAL Computer power cord, That My friend has even used for his computer monitor.

When I First saw a 360, my first thought was a Old Ford vehicle.
When I First saw a PS3, I Thought: UFO?...LOL, in other words It's slick design is out of this world!.

You get what you pay for, cheap crap thats not Innovated, pay twice that to get one that is Innovated and made to last, I my self prefer a Long Lasting reliable piece of machine that I even use as a secondary computer.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I always felt it was on par with the 360 sales. But that is a disappointment to Sony, because they figured to crush everyone once they launched. So being on par with the 360 first year sales isnt a good thing...it puts them still well behind the 360 in overall sales. I really think Sony thought they would have made up much more ground than they did after 1 year.

[Close_Second]

...nothing wrong with some good healthy competition else we'd not have seen such price reductions on either console as yet.

I can certainly see Sony having a stellar 2008 but I'm thinking by 2010 Microsoft will have a much greater console gaming market share than it did with the original Xbox.

[Snukadaman]

everyone including ps3 fans expected the ps3 too sell better then the xbox..with it being the stronger console even...it took awhile with shortages and rrod for people too start warming up too the xbox...pun intended by the way...Its pretty funny when people compare one consoles past sales...no rrod and shortages for the ps3 yet its selling as if it did have those problems.

[JIN KAZAMA]

thats when the 360 had no competition also. PS3 is the most expensive, with the least amount of games, and started with the other 2 consoles on the market, and PS3 still sold as much as MS did. LOL. Enough said, now STFU xbot zombies.

PLAY B3YOND

[consolewar]

lol
Anyway like you said. WAIT BEYOND or more like THIS IS WAITING...LMAO

[Close_Second]

...people call Xbox owners zombies or MS sheep....and yet they seem so quick to use terms like "Play B3YOND". Seems to me that anyone who regurgitates marketing dribble is more a zombie or sheep than most.

What the hell does "Play B3YOND" actually mean? Its a f**king plastic games console...nothing more, nothing less. Tell you what, next time you're seeing your doctor quote Sony's marketing blurb and maybe, just maybe you'll receive better healthcare. It has to do something other than make those who use it come across as complete twats.

[razer]

took crazy price drops to make it happen.. MS didn't have to touch their pricing scheme to make it work.. Sony was/is desperate to meet the 360 sales numbers..

[oohWii]

If most of you can remember, when the PS3 was priced at 599.00 it sold like diseased cats. Stop tryin' to make it seem like the higher prices was something to overcome. They never overcame it, remember they lowered the price. If the PS3 was still 599.00 they would be lucky to have 2 million sold by 1 year.

And that's the truth.

[celticlonewolf]

Why people keep thinking that the ps3 is doing so badly is because they are comparing sales right now(which they are coming up a distant 3rd) and not back at the same life cycle as the 360. What you have to remember to is that the ps3 came into this gen thinking that they would crush the other 2 but instead they have a hard fight on there hands that perhaps they wont ready for. I beleive that ps3 will eventually catch up(how long is anyones guess I would say around 1.5 years) but there will be no clear winner with all 3 companys being able to claim some sort of win.

[FirstknighT]

Again for the millioneth time...and pay attention wii4hire because your a lil on the slow side...Yes, it's pretty equal in sales for the first year but of course the 360 was pretty hard to find for atleast 4 months. Sony did a good job on making sure every store was packed with ps3's. But you have to see the software sales. That is what matters most. The 360 had about 8 games that hit the million sale mark while the ps3 only had 2. It's no secret that the ps3's big guns in 2007 have sold horrible. That is just more proof that the ps3 is being sold as a cheap bluray player than a gaming console.

[SmokeyMcBear]

uhhhhhhh... ps3 wasnt even sold in arguablly the biggest market until march.. uhhhhhhhh

[IntelligentAj]

They had 8 games that sold a million in it's first year?

[andy001]

Hey, he's right.

The 360 was really hard to find for the first 4 months. The difference is that the PS3 was IMPOSSIBLE to find in Europe for the first 4 months, because it wasn't even released!

Seriously, who cares anyway, frigging sales figure nonsense

[INehalemEXI]

Sony's plan has always been for the ps3 to outlast the others they knew they would not launch and instantly lead. Its a steady grind as always and in the end they likely will lead again. The price point and time of ps3's launch reveals this strat....come on. Sony always packs there console with the latest drives they can thats just part of sonys history.

ps1 was going to be a joint nintendo product utilizing cd. ... nintendo didnt like that idea though.

ps2 Dvd etc.

ps3 blu-ray get over it lol.

[DeckUKold]

the sony-nintendo thing got dropped when nintendo president reread the contracts and the software and hardware would be a trademark of sony so nnintendo drop them and picked up trashasonic HORRIBLE idea they shoulda just compromised other wise i would of never had to get a n64 and then a ps1

[gamesblow]

FACT : Xbox had a world wide launch, though looking in Japan and England you wouldn't know it.

FACT: Ps3 launched in U.S. and Japan and not until March in the U.K. which would mean they've only had their system for 9 months.

[Jdash24]

xbox 360 had a whole year on the market by itself

ps3 had competition with the 360, wii, high price point, small game library, and loads of negative press

good job sony : )

[Xbox is the BEST]

have to remember that the PS#2 had no competition 1 full year. The Sony hype killed the Dreamcast before the PS#2 launched. Sony predicted 10 million by Sept. 2007. Didn't happen.

[lawman1108]

That system is all over that country

[power of Green]

Thats nice whats the point though? will this info matter next year or the year after that?, does it matter now... NOPE!.

Millions waited for PS3 because of Sony's hype and the 360 was sold out untill the following April after it launched; with that said' that doesn't matter now nor will it years from now either.

Sony outlasting the competition is a foolish stradegy.

360 will be the new PS2 long before Sony's "outlasting strad" could work.

[the worst]

haha your a joke

[Lionsguard]

The 360 could only fantasize about being the next PS2. Don't even compare your junk to the Ps2 that's just a disgrace.

[xg-ei8ht]

Not sure what you've been smoking, but the 360 will never be the ps2,lmao.

Xbox720 is out dec 09. hahahaha. Mark my words.

6million sold. and only a few aaa titles, but the diversity is something microsoft has never and will never grasp. And for that reason, Microsoft will finish last again.

With the games out for ps3, and dam some of the games due out, i'd be very worried if i were M$.

M$ Remind me of chelsea football club, They have alot of money behind them, but not much talent. Only through other clubs transition did they win anything,lmfao.

If the sony faithful who love ps2, get onboard with ps3. Its all over.

[power of Green]

They think that because they see the install base of PS2 then they look at how Wii did and finnally they look at PS3 revenue and the console of choice 3rd party devs support.

[Boink]

with the HUGE base they had from last round (100+ million to xbox's 25-30 million) ps3 should have wiped the floor against the 360 sales the first year.

If 5 yrs from now the 2 were still even for sales would it be considered good for sony? no, it would mean the ps3 was a catastrophic failure. but it would be a huge win for MS and nintendo for dethroning the big guy.

[TheMART]

With the 120 mln. PS2 installed base and the overal brand name, it should have sold more.

So its save to say that if like these numbers say the PS3 sold about as much as the 360 in its first year, its a victory for the 360.

Furthermore, you can compare 1st year all you want but it's like this:

The 360 took a headstart of almost 6 mln. at that time. At this time the PS3 sold about 6 mln. and the 360 sold about 14 million, so the headstart has grown to about 8 mln. to catch up with

[Fisher339]

So even after a $600 ps3 with no games sells 6 million, you don't think a $400 ps3 with games won't sell 8 million in a year?

Just like the xbox the install base is growing, the ps3 one is too, I expect some of the best games to be multiplatform this gen, simply because neither 360 or ps3 is dominating yet.

Ea won't be able to pull their lazy developer crap anymore because a possible 6 million more buyers is too much to pass up.

[rbanke]

Your argument says that the ps3 selling the same as the 360 is not a success because Sony's brand was so popular that it should blow away everything. What you fail to acknowlege is that the ps3 launched at 200-300 dollars more than the ps2 and ps1 launched at AND it was light on games, AND it had strong competition from the 360 where the ps2 had little competition and the 360 had no next gen competition. For the ps3 to sell the same as the 360 with a higher price point, less games, stronger competition is certainly a success.

[redmamoth]

... TheMart seems to know a hell of a lot about Economics... Or could he just be talking sh1t as usual?

[Mark 1]

How many did it sell at $600?

That's right retards, it took 2 fire sales to come up with 6m.

You Sony zealots are the gaming equivalent of Al Queda, spreading your pathetic religious nonsense like a cancer on this forum.

[Bladestar]

"thats when the 360 had no competition also." please.. don't come with that crap... that's the main reason why the Xbox 360 didn't do better... the xbox 360 sold better once the PS3 was launched.. and people saw the truth... and everything Sony promissed was a lie... lots of people waited until the PS3 was released to decide which console they would buy...

[gololo]

dude...i think that comment hit your spot...I know you are smart guy, so IF these figures are right, it is quite impressive that after all the bad press and WITH competition from the 360 and Wii, the ps3 is pulling almost the same numbers...and also the arguments about being sold out, oh well, maybe it's MS fault for not having enough for launch date or perhaps they wanted to hype this way...I know that I bought my 360 on launch but didn't buy a game till Splinter Cell: DA came out...

[Snukadaman]

you make some very valid points there...I know I wait a year too buy a console and that would be the time when the ps3 would of cam out...but I would of also purchased a ps3 if it was worth it.

[Daytona]

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[Funky Town_TX]

now lets see software sales from launch.

[Meus Renaissance]

This time next year will be more telling and relevant to the course of this console war. Sony has yet to launch a major software franchise for their console; 2008 will see such a launch with probably a cut to the price of the PS3. That's any platform's Ace card.

That PS2 installbase will speak then. Let's just hope for Sony's say the speak in their tens of millions. I still believe that they will because the games are still exclusive to the console, and then price won't be as much of an issue as it has been in 2007. There is no reason for Sony not to outsell the 360 then. If it fails to, then the best Sony can hope for is to share the market with Microsoft who've deserved it due to Sony dropping the ball.

[mustash2003]

Wise words as usual

[theoneandonly]

PLAYSTATION isn't the ONLY ONE ANYMORE, who gets the RPGs and the JAPANESE RPGs by any means ANY DAY OF THE WEEK BOYZ...............

http://www.rpgamer.com/news...

"Today Microsoft & Atlus announced an exclusive publishing deal and arrangement..."

TRY AGAIN..........Spectral FORCE 3 and other games are XBOX BOUND FOR NORTH AMERICA, AND SO IS ODIN SPHERE.......

The largest NORTH AMERICAN MARKET LEADER *IS* the XBOX, and we are the system of the CALL OF DUTY & SPLINTER CELL.............

So you no longer have that excuse SONY FANBOYS, even with a smaller userbase, the XBOX360 is still getting AS MANY if NOT MORE JRPGS, RPGS, and STRATEGY RPGS as the PLAYSTATION *******ALWAYS****** GETS!!!

Plus exclusives like MASS EFFECT, and FABLE 2.

So whats the excuse now for the PS3 not coming CLOSE to selling the 360 in first year sales, now that it *DOESN'T* I repeat *DOESN'T* have the advantage of receiving all the RPGS?

.....................Oh, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!

And you can bet once LOST ODYSSEY is released in JAPAN and the 360 sales SHOOT UP LIKE CRAZY, that more JRPGs *WILL BE ANNOUNCED* as well as GAMES including the GUNDAM WING SAGA for the 360........

http://www.famitsu.com

ATLUS PUBLISHING DEAL FOR THE 360 EXCLUSIVELY: Gee, I wonder what SQUARE ENIX will do once they realize sending FF13 MULTIPLATFORM will sell twice as MANY UNITS..............

SONY had better be PREPARED, because MICROSOFT has BILLIONS.......And they are NEVER losing their exclusive like INFINITE UNDISCOVERY, that's why they are the ONLY PUBLISHER FOR THE GAME......

If SONY isn't ready to PUBLISH FF13 themselves, NEVER SAY NEVER, THAT GAME COULD BE ON 360 TOO WITH TWICE THE CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This time the RULES OF THE GAME HAVE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!! =D

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

xbots dont like rpgs....

[antoinetm]

WARHAWK

nuff said... :)

[aiphanes]

And they will be in good shape by Christmas 2008 when all the other heavy hitting are released like Killzone 2, Infamous, Final Fantasy 13, GTA4, Little Big Planet, Socom, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, and HOME......The PS3 could be hitting up to around 20 million by Christmas 2008..that just 2 years..the Xbox 360 is barely at 11 million after 2 years...We all know there will be another price drop to $299 by Christmas 2008....2008...the PS3 owns all..

Do not be scrared Xbots and wiibots...it was and is going to happen...Sony will not lose this fight....

[Kratchet]

throwing out the flamebait and seeing what you can catch eh?

[Shaka2K6]

True.

But also very important microsft killed the xbox and forced all of their blind tools to buy a new system to play games on it.
while theres tons of Sony fans who havent bought a PS3 yet becuase the PS2 is still kicking strong.
same goes for kditendo and wii, nintendo put the new zelda in the wii forcing gamers to buy a new system to play games on.

dont forget RROD !!!! millions of x360 sold are just replacements of RRODs x360s.

[Jdash24]

your forgetting that they did release the new zelda on the gamecube as well, so technically nintendo didnt force ppl to upgrade to play the new zelda

[Ignorant Fanboy]

If millions of 360's are just replacement consoles, according to you.

That would make Sonys horribly low attach rate look even worse, so dont go there.

[jackdoe]

Well, I already knew this.

[Meus Renaissance]

The amount of nonsense posted here from certain individuals just screams insecurity.

[InMyOpinion]

And you must be one of them since you're always blindly defending Sony. You even defended Sony when they made the cheap decision not to repair a console because it was 'too dusty'.

Multinational corporations > the consumer

You know it does'nt govern you or any other PS3 owner in any way, right? Keep wiping that PS3 chanting 'Play beyond...Play beyond...'

[Mark 1]

YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY...
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@@@______(*) THE BOABY...
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[PiTCHBLaCK]

OFF TOPIC: Sony should not have to repair a PS3 because it was to Dusty, that's stupid, People should Dust there own Sony products off.

[jack who]

360 had shottage and rrod

keep that in mind

[SJL480]

It's funny how the ps3 would never catch 360 then when it's so close at the one year mark it turns into "The ps3 should have sold more" "It should have crushed 360"

Guys both systems kick ass ps3 and 360 both provide unique experiences. Guess what if ps3 does "win" what does it matter? Don't you think 360 has enough market share to come back next gen.

give credit where it's due and quit acting like you'll die if the other guy wins.

[Spike47]

first of all,

the ps3 had no games, a high price point, and it had two compete with two consoles in the market.

the 360 had no other consoles to compete with it's first year.Yeah, many people waited for the ps3 and wii, but the 360 tempted gamers to go next gen earlier.
it's not crap bladestar, it's a clear advantage for ms wether you like it or not.Many experts state that. IT's more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

Gentlemen, don't see me as a ps3 fanboy, see me as a man that is speaking only facts.

IF THE PS3 SELLS THE SAME AS THE 360 IT'S FIRST YEAR,THEN WHAT WILL IT DO WITH IT'S 40GB PRICE DROP AND MGS4,KILLZONE 2ETC.?

FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT PS3 FANBOYS ARE GOING CRAZY OVER THIS, LOOK AT THAT IDIOT UP THERE(THEONEANDONLY).

NOW MAYBE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, THAT THE PS3 SELLS THE SAME AMOUNT. TRUE, YET THE PS2 WAS RELEASED EARLIER, BUT IF YOU COMPARE HOW MANY CONSOLES THE PS2 SOLD VERSUS THE XBOX IN THE SAME TIME FRAME THE PS2 STILL OUTSOLD MORE.

[FPS nut]

Xbox did have a shortage though, I was able to get my PS3 just two weeks after launch. What we need is NPD to give us 2006 numbers but IMO Xbox 360 has sold better. I know I might get some ignores and some disagrees but I'm a PS3 owner so consider that before hating.

[lockload]

What matters is what have been the sales figures when both have been on the market..

PS3 5,831,427
X360 8,036,414

Yes the 360 has sold 2.1m more in the last 12 months not even close

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

i say this all the time and people act like they dont see the slow sales for 360.....

[Spike47]

MS FORCED ORIGINAL XBOX OWNERS TO BUY A 360, SINCE THEY STOPPED SUPPORTING THE XBOX.

THIS IS WHY PS3 FANS STATE THAT THE PS3 WILL BEAT OR DO MUCH BETTER IN 2008,

IT'S GEARED WITH KILLER APPS, A PRICE DROP, AND HOME ONLINE.

[lockload]

Strange that people were saying that in feb 07 when games like motorstorm, ratchet, lair etc were coming out this year

[jack who]

360 had shottage and rrod

keep that in mind

[Guitarded]

and Sony fanboys with more money than brains.

[fredy]

HOW CAN YOU SEE THIS AS A GOOD THING?

The Ps3 was suppose to and had to crush the Xbox 360 when it came out..

-Sony has always been 1 console Generation ahead of Microsoft, count that 7+ years. [with PS1 momentum going unto PS2]

-MS came late with their console and sold around 20 million.

-Sony has roughly 100 Million PS2 consoles sold[whether 1, 2 3, 4, 5ths consoles were added due to defective rates]

-Thats around 80 million potential gamers that could move unto a PS3. MS always had only around 20 million and already have around 13 million with Xbox 360's in about 2 years. More then half in like 2 years.[new gamers or old ones, who knows]

-Sony would of had to sell around 40-50 million for the same ratio.
Since the competition is different this time around 100 million PS3's is just not going to happen, lets be real.

-With the amount of PS1/2 users that have been loyal, Sony should of sold more, and really shouldn't be happy they are matching MS's frist year, they have had more of a MARKET-SHARE[Gamers] and to only match Ms which only sold 20+ million original Xbox's is sad.

If developers go where the money is and we know this, with the sales of software and content, then Sony is only going to decline. I can't see them doing better than the PS2. Xbox 360 sells software and has been consistant with hardware[RROD] hurt them.

Xbox 360's install-base
[Original xbox Users]
[New gamers]
[PS2 gamers]--Didn't drink the 120 frames per and 4D Koolaide.

PS3's install-Base(skewed)
[Original PS2 owner]
[New Gamers]
[Movie enthusiast]-reasons why games don't sell.[Sony splitting it's Market]
[RROD abanders]

[karlostomy]

great post!

[pwnmaster3000]

do u really think every who had a ps2 is huge gamer and buy a ps3 some of does people dont probably dont like games anymore, shoot they can even be dead

[cmrbe]

Should stop posting VG numbers as they are unreliable and provoke flame wars that are base on inaccurate data. Good or bad for PS3 i don't believe them anymore after the latest NPD.

[DrWan]

360 has unopposed competition in the first year. don't forget. PS3 had alot of criticism

[Komrad]

no fact will convince a fanboy... thats just how it is.

[TheExodus]

If 360 had no competition what was the PS2, a toaster? PS3 is selling miserably & if it wasn't on it's deathbed Sony wouldn't have cut it's price by $100 twice in the last 5 months. Yes, PS3 is a smashing success that's flying off shelves as fast as pantyhose at a nudist colony!

[gamehendge]

the x-kiddies spin machine will be overheating trying to explain away this one.

[Saint Sony]

It is the god damn Playstation brand! The most praised console EVER. On par with 360 crapbox (as sony people say) is the most embarrassing thing ever. PS3 has officially failed it's first year. It should have sold twice the amount!

Poor Sony, PS3 will leave a bad scar.

[cmrbe]

After 2006 E3. Alot of people said the PS3 is doom. It was when we started seeing articles with why the PS3 is doom and blu ray this and that.In my experience after going through 4 generations of gaming machines. I have never seen such hostilities against a console before.I didn't come across anyone that has any positive things to say about the PS3 for quite sometime. I am sure Sony and alot of its supports expected the PS3 to sell more but the fact that it was well overpriced and with less content compared to competition would make it quite remarkable if they actually had the same sales as the x360 in its first year without competition.

[snoopafly]

i really love how not one ps3 owner came in here bashed the 360 in regards to this data. yet numerous 360 owners came in here and bashed ps3 owners..in ANTICIPATION of them saying this. pre-emptive strike. comical.

and the argument that the ps3 is being sold only as a cheap blu-ray player is stupid. who cares how it is sold..as long as its sold. if sony happens to flood the market with ps3's and people start buying them solely as a blu-ray player..true at first gaming companies will notice this and think the ps3 isn't ideal for gaming. but eventually this will force blu-ray to become the format of choice..even for gaming. so this leaves microsoft either abandoning the hd-dvd add on and creating a blu-ray add on (which i highly doubt) or creating a new system that is centered around a blu-ray disc drive or a new format of their choosing (most likely the former). this coincides well with sony's long term plan - they could care less about the here and now..they are establishing themselves for the long run.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I've been saying this for awhile, the PS3 is made to last, Sure the Wii and 360 will sell more, at first, but in the end more PS3's will be sold then both the Wii and 360 combined, because of it's online features and It's Blu-Ray player.

[WilliamRLBaker]

The problem detailed in any thought that the ps3 matching the 360s sales as remarkable is that if it maintains that matching it will still stay behind the 360 by 6 million+ sales regardless.

The ps3 has to outsell the 360 for a while (a year) to reach and surpass 360 total sales.
Edit: then I must add the 360 must sell under its current streak of 200,000 for the ps3 to catch up and surpass.

[Meus Renaissance]

But who will make a claim that the PS3 CANNOT manage to outsell Xbox 360 sales of 2008?

[Guitarded]

you silly fanboy. Meus claims he's not a fanboy because he doesn't bash other systems. I think that just makes him a fanboy with a little class. What do you guys think.

[Meus Renaissance]

You can call me anything your heart desires, but I'm flattered nonetheless that you find me classy. Thank you.

Personally I won't go and say the PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 in 2008 but it is possible considering the games that are coming out on Sony's platform, and nothing sells hardware like games. I don't think anyone can make the claim, however, that Sony will is incapable of managing that. There is simply no way of knowing for certain but logic favours the suggestion that it can - as only a suggestion, and nothing more.

[WilliamRLBaker]

and calling him any thing means nothing in the end.

Can the ps3 indeed outsell the 360? we'll I should add to the above statement of mine that the 360 would all so have to undersell its current streak of between 200,000-500,000 a mmonth for the ps3 to outsell it or to match it.

Can the ps3 do it? I don't think it can, I believe it can come close to matching the 360 is its total sales, By about 5 million but I doubt it will surpass that in anyway shape or form.

There are many games for 2008 that are comming to the 360, sonyfanboys just wanna ignore those games but they will be pretty big, and their are a few games that are...hyped to come out 2008 for the ps3 but can bthey deliver? cause really so far those same games have been pushed back many times, all in all with multiplatform releases and exclusives the 360 matches the ps3 in hyped games for 2008.

I still hold by my most earliest of statements, It will be a 33.3% split between all consoles this generation.

[harpua]

"XBOX 360 SPRAY FARTS ALL OVER THE PS3."

so not only is RROD and scratched discs a problem, now we have to add gas as well.

[ReBurn]

Not really all that impressive when you look at the big picture. The Xbox to Xbox 360 conversion rate is much better than the PS2 to PS3 conversion rate. At one year in Xbox 360 sales were 25% of the original Xbox. At one year in PS3 sales are at around 4% of the PS2.

I see a lot of congratulations at such great sales with no games and a high price. But no games and a high price, as well as direct competition with the PS2, have kept Sony's customers from making the leap to the PS3. Sony expected to have twice the sales that it does now.

I love my PS3 and the recent releases are great. But the console still has a long way to go to meet expectations.

[Meus Renaissance]

When comparing the conversation rate, you need to consider the difference between the userbase of the PS2 and the Xbox. Xbox had, around 25million? PS2 had around 120m. That's almost a x5 fold. You need to add that to your conclusions.

[cmrbe]

When MS abandon the xbox alot of its userbase (hardcore) in my opinion migrated to x360 as the xbox wasn't supported anymore. I am suspecting it is also the reason why the x360 first year sales were pretty good.

[fredy]

with the conversion rate..

Ok given the facts that Sony has

-lost Exclusives
-developers
-Pricier console
-technical issues
-Xbox 360 looks to be doing better than Original[even in Japan]

How can you expect the PS3 to sell better than the PS2, when it took the PS2 almost 7 years to sell 100 Million.

Now besides the 360 problems

-RROD
?????

It has already sold 25% of its Original MAX in less than 2 years? Without 2 Price drops like Sony. you can only expect it to sell more. It is ahead of the ORiginal Xbox's Pace.

I can't say the same for the PS3. So who have had a better start in regards to that conversion rate? Of course I can specualate depending how the games go and such that both will get better but the 360 is doing better.

LETS NOT TALK ABOUT SOFTWARE SALES.

[Ignorant Fanboy]

All you fanboys said "wait till the PS3 launches" "Its gonna kill the 360"

Well a year later, and thats the best it can do?

[mikeslemonade]

Only the people who don't know the trends say that. I won't even say PS3 will catch up to the 360 in 2008. It will sell more worldwide in 2008 but it won't catch up until 2009. Look how great the Wii did and they only beat the 360 by a million or two. This shows that the PS3 isn't dead yet because the 360 did the samething its first year at $200 cheaper and with no competition.

[mikeslemonade]

VG charts isn't off by much and this is the only source we can go by so shutup. VGcharts is accurate enough to guess within 500,000 units and even if PS3 sold 5,000,000 and 360 sold 5,500,000 it's still close. This prooves how blind 360 fans are because there system was just as "bad" as the PS3 in the first year.

[v1c1ous]

Too bad the 360 sells about as much software as wii+ps3 combined

too bad the 360 still outsells PS3 with hardware from US+UK alone :/

Too Bad that FF13 just got moved back, and multiplatform releases sell about 2x more on 360 compared to PS3, giving 3rd party more incentive to release there

Too bad that SONY fanboys seem to think that 360/wii will sit on their hands all of 2008 and watch sony swallow up '08.

[cmrbe]

Can you prove that the x360 and the wii will have a better 2008 than 2007?.Rember Halo and Mario is already out. Sony will without a doubt will have a much,much better year next year than this year.Unfortunately i can't say the same for the wii but especially the x360.

[fredy]

Let me guess where is your proof?

You gonna post like 3 3rd party games right....

you forgetting Sony doesn't sell much software, so games list don't mean much. The 360 has a list of games too.

Ive seen Lair, Warhawk, Hs, R&C and probably has 1+ million between all 3. I remember them saying wait till those games to

[ScentlessApprentice7]

You need some proof?

Well how about Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, and Final Fantasy Versus XIII. There are some of you're 3 3rd party games right there. (Oh and BTW those are all exclusives)

Sony's Software doesn't sell?? I guess a fanboy like you that's half-idiot, half-moron hasn't heard of a little franchise called Gran Turismo.

[cmrbe]

For the hardware. The price of the PS3 will go down even further to main stream pricing that everyone will be comfortable with. After this holiday season i see blu ray doing quite well and alot of people will be buying 1080p flat panels justifying further the tech that is native in PS3 making the PS3 much more revelent and attractive next year than this year.
On the content side. Can you honestly name any games from x360 or the wii that can match these games. MGS4, FF, GT5, GoW3?.These games are just the tip of the iceberg of many returning franchise that the PS3 has which i believe alot of the PS2 owners want to play.The games you you listed for the PS3 are all new IP. If anything i believe they have alot of potential in their sequels kind of like Killzone2 which i believe its going to be great.

[wangdiddy82]

Its only been out in europe since march of this year.. So expect a lot more systems to be sold within the ps3's first year.. Especially with the first holiday season in europe..

[hardcorehippiez]

i know 8 people alone who are upgrading to ps3 this christmas few of them bought the 360 after having a ps2 because of having to wait for the ps3, so they werent financially able to buy a ps3.However with the price now lower they are getting it simply because the proven franchises are coming to the ps3 and they remember how good the ps2 was and the ps1 for that matter.

[rgun]

God this news article is just a call to arms for all the fanboys out there. Already tons of replies, all of which are pretty much useless in the scheme of things.

We can all argue like little children about which console is better, or who will sell more... or we can go, sit down and grab the controller of our console of choice and enjoy some of the amazing games that have come out recently.

I'm gonna go grab my controller.

[Spike47]

just plain retards.

FIRST YOU BIT** ABOUT THE PS3 LOSING EXCLUSIVES , THE PRICE, AND THE FRAMERATE ISSUES,

AND NOW WHEN YOU SEE THAT IT STILL OVERCAME THAT AND SOLD THE SAME AMOUNT YOU BACK UP AND TALK CRAP.
LISTEN UP RETARDS, AS ONE 360 FANBOY HIMSELF STATED, THE PS3 KIND OF KILLED THEIR ADVANTAGE OF THEIR BRAND NAME.
THE PS3 SHOULD'VE BEEN CRUSHED FOR SO MANY CONS IT HAD, SONY SCREWED THEMSELVES WITH THE 600 DOLLAR PRICE TAG AND WHATNOT.
DON'T COME UP TO ME WITH THAT CRAP THAT THE 360 HAD SHORTAGES, IT STILL HAD NO COMPETITION AND XBOX OWNERS WERE FORCED TO BUY XBOX360s

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT SONY DID ALOT FOR A SYSTEM THAT WAS RECOGNIZED AS THIS GEN'S DREAMCAST.

[solar]

excuse me forum patrons....testicles....that is all.

[unlimited]

they did just as good as the 360 in its first year..360 xbots just like to think the ps3 is failing..they can surpass the 360 sales by next year..

[dfcm2003]

Sold 5.6 with out any Competition, PS3 5.5 against the Wii, and 360. Hum...... Not really nothing to brag about if your MS......

[TruthbeTold]

PS3 sales get a bad wrap due to the phenomenal success of the Wii, which makes their sales look not so good. The numbers, whatever they may be for 360 and PS3 after one year are close, so that means alot. Remember, XBOX 360 had a year of no "Next Gen" competition during their head start. I really think that with the way this is playing out so far, that all 3 consoles will be winners this time around. Which means that we, the gamers should all be winners as well, since we'll all have our fair share of great games, and great exclusives.

[Ahhhh]

haha this site is sooooo full of hypocrites...

[TheFamilyGuy]

As great as it might seem to PS3 fans that the PS3 is on par with the 360's year one sales, the truth of the matter is that the PS3 is playing catch up. To just be on par with what the 360 was a year ago means that the 360 still has a whole year of sales that the PS3 didn't manage to catch up to in year one.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

people forget a massive thing about the launch of ps3, and thats the fact that around the launch of ps3s release the 180 released their second most heavy hitter hyped game and that was gears of war, not only was it hyped, but it was the full potential graphics of teh 180 to make it look as if ps3 wasnt as powerful as sony said or as powerful as the 180, this caused many to turn away from ps3 before it even came out.

not to mention that a ton of other 180 games came out that 180 has been able to hype including halo 3

and lets see, what games that are exclusive on ps3, that are original franchises have been released on ps3? ratchet and clank? no, it wasnt on ps1

when next year comes ps3 will have games that so many millions of ps2 owners are waiting for, even gamers from nintendo and microsofts fanbase as well as pc gamers are waiting for some of these games, the ps3s sales are going to go up so high you will never see the people talking trash on this site anymore about ps3 sales again and thats a guarantee, if you think the ps3 isnt going to catch up to not only 180 but wii aswell, drown yourself now for dissapointment

and when did someone ever say that ps3 would outsell 180 right at release, especially with the release of the second most hyped game ever?

let me know kids

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Dreamcast wasn't dead by PS2 arrival... I have one dead white console in my room, which I buyed before PS2 and which many people thinked by that time that would be the second coming of Jesus to earth (not my vision at all, I know since of MSX I would have to deal with multiple consoles, but still Sega lovers, Sony Haters, whatever).

[guerojose]

ZOMG! A common misconception about the PS3?!?!

You mean if we keep saying things over and over, it doesn't make them true? Blu-ray is slower than DVD; Cell can't handle AI or physics; there's no way the 360's defect rate is anywhere near 30%;... ???

You've blown my mind.

[bootsielon]

Here are other facts that Xbots like to ignore:

1. Xbox 360 had no competition

2. PS3 had fierce competition; a cheaper Xbox 360 with an already built game line-up, and an even cheaper Wii with a novelty and a game included.

3. PS3, regardless of how much competition it had, it was the most expensive console to be launched by a major contender to the console wars (unlike NeoGeo, 3DO and Jaguar, which were not made by major contenders, at least not major at those points in time).

4. PS3 is not only expensive at retail; it's more expensive to develop for than Xbox 360.

5. Dev Kits were barely finished 3 months before PS3 launched. PS3 kits were not sent to every developer even after it launched.

6. Xbox 360 Dev Kits were out between 12 and 18 months before the Xbox 360 launch; the reason is that its architecture is way more conventional than PS3's (and therefore easier to program for, thanks to already existing then knowledge of PowerPC).

7. PS3 also faces competition from PS2 and HD-DVD.

[Bladestar]

1. right... Sony played the same card they played against Sega.. Dream cast died.. because Sony promised people that if they waited for the PS2 instead they would be better off... was the PS2 a better console than the dreamcast? sadly we will never know... Sega ran out money... unlucky for Sony... Microsoft have a little more money and is more stable than Sega... what did work at first.. is that lots of people didnt buy a console until the PS3 was released... lots of people jump ships and the xbox 360 started selling better after the release of the PS3.

2. Had? the xbox 360 is still cheaper.. and the library of games continues to grow and games like Mass Effect are making the system a better choice as far as gaming is concern... nothing has change on that department... PS3 fans... still waiting for that AAA title..

3. Was the most expensive? Or is the most expensive? Do you know what Sony is doing to convince people that the PS3 is cheap? try to stuff them the idea that blu-ray is needed and that it's better to have blu-ray movie playback than to have BC and play PS2 games.. while very good PS2 games are still being released and are selling more than PS3 games..

4. Now, who's fault is that? Leave blu-ray out of the damn thing.. and you would win the console war.

5. When was Sony good at creating dev kits? Same complains from developers with the PS2... the difference now is that... developers don't have to deal with the playstation nor make a bigger efford to make money... their games can sell a lot more on the xbox 360 and they don't have to kill themselves making the game work on the PS3 in the process.

6. Microsoft is a software company.. they make OS, they make development tools like visual studio.net... hell they even make DirectX... duhhh developers love it... it desinged to be productive and for developers... also, PC developers are able to easly pickup the xbox 360 and make games quick since microsoft understand that the most important partner (the developer) will bring revenues that will make them happy... which in term will make the gamer happy... Unlike Sony who thought about their hollywood partners and business before the gamers and developers. ohh and about "the architecture is way more conventional than PS3's"... now who's fault was that? It's ok to innovate... but innovation sometimes needs to take under consideration the people that will use your product... you just don't wakeup one day and tell a carpinter... you are no longer using any of the tools you are using... everything you learn... done.. gone.. here is a new set of tools. go on b!tch! yeah.. that's right... we are Sony and we tell you what's good for you.

7. Again... who's fault is that? Sony should stopping milking the PS2... duhh people will pick the console with better games.. specially now that Sony cripple the PS3 $400 SKU to not even play PS2 games, just so people buying PS3 also have to buy a PS2 or buy the most expensive PS3. HD DVD? lol... this one Sony asked for... why not leave the format war away from the console war? Why force Microsoft to get involved.. why not make blu-ray a choice for gamers so who ever is interseted can buy an addon? How about space? but.. but.. but.. well then don't complain about Sony being attacked from everywhere... They shouldn't play the hitler game... don't declare war on the whole world.. at least until you get the clonning factory working.

[ReBurn]

Of everything you listed, none of it makes a difference. Your points make it sound like Sony rushed the PS3 into the market. The only thing that really matters is that Microsoft's customers have adopted the new platform at a higher rate than Sony's. Microsoft's higher conversion rate and attach rate for software prove that most of what you are saying is irrelevant.

The 360 did have competition. The PS2 outsold it for most of the first year. But Microsoft moved slightly more 360 hardware without Japan than Sony did PS3 hardware with Japan. That's a very important distinction. The 360 never tried to compete as a movie machine. Microsoft standardized their API and offered better developer support at launch. Microsoft released hardware targeted only at playing games and didn't try to push multiple platforms with one machine.

Essentially what I'm reading from your comment is that Microsoft did it right in the first year and Sony did it wrong in the first year. And I have to agree with you. If Sony's focus had been on the gamer and they hadn't introduced a machine that tried to be something other than what it should have been I bet the PS3 would have sold double the number that it did. Instead the box was packed with bleeding edge technology that drove the price up. It was so difficult to develop for that most of the software was postponed for months and all that was left to push was movies.

I hope that Sony has learned from the last year. I'm finally seeing the games I've been waiting for.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

that is something that i forgot, the prices of the ps3, the ps3 had a 600 dollar price point and a 500 dollar price point for a long time at launch, this is why its a shame that while ps3 has no exclusives that are heavy hitters realeased it yet matches 180s sales, then again i have read that ps3 has sold over 6 million now, so ps3 has actually beaten 180 already this year, and UT3 hasnt released, too bad

[Abu]

... that the mighty Sony would only match the poor under-dog Microsoft in its first year sales! How the tables have turned.

I guess that xbox is becoming the standard by which other consoles are now measured.

[felidae]

lol.

now even TheMART will shut up ;-)

lolol.

[Bathyj]

Well done PS3. With all the things stacked up against you, you still did as well as the console that had all the advantages.

Haters want to shrug that off like it doesn't matter and has no bearing but we all know differently.

As PS3 starts to shed its problems and build momentum, things can only get better for the console. And momentum feeds on momentum. Good things snowball into better things and PS3 will grow. 100Million gamers still just waiting for the right price, or the right game or combination of both. When PS2 dies in the next year or 3 these gamers aren't going to suddenly stop gaming, and at the price and value it will have PS3 is a very attractive option.

For the Bots who have been strutting since they launched with no competition and have been claiming victory ever since. What are you 5, 6 million consoles in front? Marathon remember, not a sprint. You can make 6 million sound like a big deal if it puts lead in your pencil and 6 million to 12 million might sound a big deal. But 15 to 20 wont be. 25 to 30 is nothing. And who knows who will be where by then. Hard to believe an XB would sell much over 30 million or 40 but Cheap PS3 will do 50 Million easy.

I'm not knocking the Xbox at all, I'm just saying its early days, XB doesn't have the legs PS3 does and it hasn't even had a Christmas in its favorite territory yet. Had it launch last November in Europe PS3 might have 8 Million sales by now but thats all a moot point. The future looks good for gamers.

[lawman1108]

Gamefly's top game list is back, folks, and you won't find a better down-and-dirty barometer of the desires of gamers. This week, the most popular games (Cross Platform) are:

Assassin's Creed
Xbox 360
Mass Effect
Xbox 360
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Xbox 360
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men
Xbox 360
Super Mario Galaxy
Wii
Timeshift
Xbox 360
BlackSite: Area 51
Xbox 360
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
PlayStation 3
Assassin's Creed
PlayStation 3
Need for Speed: ProStreet
Xbox 360

[Agent VX]

LOL, and the Sony fanboys think this is good news. Well, let's see, the PlayStation brand has, what...some 4 or 5 times the user base than the Xbox brand, and it's tracking worse with the PS3 than the 360.

Now, if that's not a monumental failure on Sony's part, in essence, it lost a huge amount of it's previous customers to the 360 and Wii.

I can't see any good news of this for Sony, this is very bad news for Sony. Having such a stong user base for 2 generations, and now is in DEAD LAST PLACE, that's brutal.

No amount of smoke 'n mirrors from Sony will turn the PS3 around to win this generation, the console failed them. The only glimmer of hope to save the struggling PS3 is if BluRay wins the movie format war, and even BluRay isn't looking that rosey right now.

[cmrbe]

The PS2 is still supported and not the xbox right. Don't you think there will be more xbox fans migrating to x360 because of this compare to PS2-PS3 migration. Why would PS2 owners want to migrate when they know very well that the price will fall again when the heavy hitters arrive next year?. As i mentioned earlier next year the PS3 will be more revelent and attractive to consumers as there will be more 1080p panels sold this year and blu ray will have alot of momentum by then.

Edit @ Below : Well the thing is i keep seeing the same arguments over and over again and some x360 fans and xbots still don't get it.

[Icecold33]

You sound like a tape recorder, please if you're not going to come up with something more original, please just don't bother commenting.

[REDAVUTSTUVADER]

IF the ps3 could double 360 sales. It would take years to catch the 360.Do the real math.The us kills in the worldgame market. It's also where PS3 gets most of it's sales. These vg chart #'s are way off somewhere.

NPD SINCE 2005
2005
NOV=LAUNCH LOW SUPPLY(360=326,000)
DEC=(360=281,000)
2006
Jan=(360=250,000)
FEB=(360=161,000)
MARCH=(360=192,000)
APRIL=NORMAL SUPPLY(360=295,000)
MAY=(360=221,000)
JUNE=(360=277,000)
JULY=(360=206,000)
AUG=(360=205,000)
SEPT=(360=259,000)
OCT=(360=218,000)
NOV=(360=511,000)PS3 LAUNCH SUPPLY LOW(PS3=197,000)LAUNCH(WII=476 ,000)
DEC=(360=1,130,000)PS3 NORMAL SUPPLY(PS3=491,000)(WII=604,00 0)
2007
Jan=(360=294,000)(PS3=244,000 )(WII=436,000)
FEB=(360=228,000)(PS3=127,000 )WII SUPPLY LOW(WII=335,000)
MARCH=(360=199,000)(PS3=130,0 00)(WII=259,000)
APRIL=(360=174,000)(PS3=82,00 0)(WII=360,000)
MAY=(360=155,000)(PS3=82,000) (WII=338,000)
JUNE=(360=198,000)(PS3=99,000 )(WII=382,000)
JULY=(360=170,000)(PS3=159,00 0)(WII=425,000)
AUG=(360=277,000)(PS3=131,000 )(WII=404,000)
SEPT=(360=528,000)(PS3=119,00 0)WII STILL LOW(WII=501,000)
OCT=(360=366,000)(PS3=121,000 )(WII=519,000)

October 2007 Hardware Sales
PlayStation 2 -- 184,000
PlayStation 3 -- 121,000
PlayStation Portable -- 286,000
Xbox 360 -- 366,000
Wii -- 519,000
Nintendo DS -- 458,000
September 2007 Hardware Sales
PlayStation 2 -- 215,000
PlayStation 3 -- 119,000
PlayStation Portable -- 284,500
Xbox 360 -- 527,800
Wii -- 501,000
Nintendo DS -- 495,800
Software sales for October are front-loaded by Bungie's Halo 3. While October's 433,800 sales are nothing compared to September's 3.3 million, nearly half a million more is nothing to sneeze at. In fact, Halo 3's cumulative sales currently stand at 3.7 million, which outpaces the combined sales of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl at 3.6 million. The Orange Box turned in at a disappointing 7th place in the software top ten, while Insomniac's latest Ratchet didn't show up at all, despite having two weeks on shelves.
1. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) -- 433,800
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (Xbox 360) -- 383, 200
3. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (Wii) -- 286,300
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (PlayStation 2) -- 271,100
5. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo DS) -- 262,800
6. Wii Play w/ remote (Wii) -- 239,700
7. The Orange Box (Xbox 360) -- 238,400
8. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/o guitar (PlayStation 2) -- 231,700
9. FIFA Soccer 08 (PlayStation 2) -- 129,700
10. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (Nintendo DS) -- 116,900

According to an Electronic Arts filing, Xbox 360 alone accounted for 50 percent ($218 million) of EA's total revenue during the third quarter followed by Sony platforms with 25 percent ($111 million - PS2, PSP, PS3) and Nintendo's Wii and DS with a
combined 24 percent ($106 million).

Xbox 360 sales were up 31 percent over last year as Wii sales debuted at $59 million for the period followed by just $17 million in PS3 sales. PS2 sales were significantly down to $73 million from $269 million in the previous year while DS sales increased from $14 million for the quarter in 2006 to $47 this year. PSP sales dropped from $64 million in 2006 to $21 million in 2007.

Electronic Arts revenue by system (Q3 2007)
Xbox 360 - $218 million
PlayStation 2 - $73 million
Nintendo Wii - $59 million
Nintendo DS - $47 million
PlayStation Portable - $21 million
PlayStation 3 - $17 million

If you watch the numbers the truth will set you free. VG CHARTS is in it's infancy.

[green]

its so pathetic that you stupid fan boys dream of the day that the rival console will die.Of what good will that be to you?

if not for 360s stiff competition the PS3 will still be 425pds.If not for the fear that Sony put in Microsoft, you wouldn't have seen the amount of triple AAA titles on the 360,lower prices and so on.

Competition is whats driving them to give us the consumers better products.So why dont you all shut up,and enjoy your cosoles

[nice_cuppa]

These vg chart's are way off

[mighty_douche]

the playstaions doomed right? pfft....

[Lex Luthor]

By the way the games are selling, pretty much.

[blade206]

power of green said the 360 is the new ps2 never ever will the 360 sell 120 mill never and you can quote me on that the only one that acn get close is the wii the 360 is a us only system we all know that sony's name is big in europe it will take time but the us will see the light too

[green]

i dont think anything will be the new PS2.i think that era is gone.

[KingJames1906]

Why don't you start comparing first year software sales? I know one thing the PS3 beat the 360 on, Blu-Ray movie sales. To bad it didn't do that much in the GAMES department. Keep buying movies, I'll keep buying games and renting movies.

[Bullseye]

i have a distrust of these kinds of charts.Firstly, what was the source or sources used for the figures shown. Are they 'official' numbers supplied by MS and Sony or what? How do MS and Sony calculate 'sold' units? Etc. etc. There is a school of thought that believes any form of statistics are inherently and unavoidably biased towards the motives of the compiler.Personally, couldn't give a monkeys' who has sold most, but i view all such figures with extreme caution.We use a small selection of retailers ,but enough to accurately predict worldwide figures, or words to that effect, doesn't fill me with confidence.

[CrazzyMan]

x360 by 1st week of december 2006 had only 6,07 mln. sold.
With so many great games coming this Christmas PS3 have good chances to outsell. =]
PS3 FTW! Domination is starting! =)

[pandabear]

I think the PS3 had done well to equal Xbox 360 sales considering:

Xbox had no 'next gen' competition as they were 1st to market

Playstation had competition from a sysetem with a year start and decent games library and Nintendo's surprise package the Wii

Playstaion launched at $599 and £425 (UK) dearer than the competition significantly

Playstation only launched in the rest of the world in March (4 months later than Japan & North America)

So I think Sony can be quite happy with that and this chistmas is when it will really take off with price fixed and good games - with all the great games coming next year.

Next year there will be a real competition and I think the Wii will drop off as the Xbox & PS3 go head to head = Good Competition is great for gamers

[UltramanJ]

Despite PS3 sales being weaker than hoped, both the PS2 and PSP are putting up strong sales every single month. Any moron like Bladestar who thinks they should stop "milking" a strong selling product is a complete moron. Sony is not like M$ who just kills a system so they can focus on their new one (wait until they kill off the 360 for their next system), they are smarter than that, and know that you don't kill off something that'll still desired by consumers.
So while PS3 is starting to finally get on it's feet, Sony's still making money off the PSP and PS2, and as those finally being to wind down the PS3 will be in full stride. It's obvious that most gamers are waiting for the PS3, otherwise the 360's sales would be much stronger than they are for a system with such a great library. Over time it's inevitable that M$'s exclusives will begin to dry up as development houses they looked to for exclusives are now owned by multiplatform favorable publishers, and in their desperation for exclusive content they will noone to turn to because of their stupid lack of foresight regarding internal development. In the meantime, Sony will continue to pump out solid games from the many developers the OWN. The price for the PS3 is getting to where it needs to be, and by the end of 2008 the PS3 will have either matched the 360's sales, or flat out passed them. Watch and see.

[ScottEFresh]

MS Fanboys get pwned once again.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

if the xbot 360 came with $599 price tag would anybody buy the 360 ?

[PS3PCFTW]

so if the ps3 is a failure with 2 competitors. does this make the 360 a even BIGGER failure with no competitors?

honest intelligent people please reply

[karlostomy]

In this year the xbox360, with competition from WII and PS3 outsold the ps3 by 2.1 million units.

ie.: The 360 did MUCH better with competition than without.

[IRONMAN_X_357]

12 million 360s minus 36% give a few is what 8 million occupied, ps3 6 million, hhhmmmmmm failure my ass, 360 fanbase max to 30 million, itll never grow, SONy 200 million and still growing, it will be repeating history of sony kicking everyones ass

[PS3PCFTW]

interesting.

anybody else have a INTELLIGENT Reply to #83?

[HondaSIRowner]

I've been saying this forever now...

PS3 had no games and it was so expensive, until now, yet its still on par with 360's first year.

It will get even better soon, with more highly anticipated titles coming this year and in 08.

Sony could reach 7.8mill, almost 8mill this Christmas.

[Topshelfcheese]

Most of you are morons. You call everyone a fanboy but yourself. Here's a thought why do you care so damn much which system is selling better. Neither one is going anywhere, why can't you just enjoy what you have and be done with it. I own all the systems and play games on all of them, Grow the f*ck up and stop crying about every little thing.

[ruibing]

Can't wait for year two to finish.

[Vip3r]

Considering all the bashing from the media and fanboys, high price tags, stiff competition, some poor ports and delays the PS3 has done rather well in it's first year. I wonder what it'll be like in a years time from now.

[motang]

That is very interesting...I would like to see how that chart will be an year from now.

[Fototherapist]

I love my PS3, but the main reason it didn't sell any better than the 360 (in its first year) was the price. $599? I didn't know many parents or gamers who were willing to shell out that kind of dough (even for a blu-ray/games combo). I think price had everything to do with the slow sales. Sure enough, as the price dropped, sales increased. I understand that the price of the technology Sony included in the PS3 is steep, but Sony did make a slight bungle by asking $600 for a gaming machine, which was it's main purpose. If Sony really wanted to create buzz for its proprietary blu-ray format they should have made it more enticing by having the 60 gig start at $399 and the 20 gig start at $299. I don't think they should have offered the 80 gig, just stuck to their guns with a reasonably priced 60 gig sku. I guess hind sight is always 20/20, but for Sony to believe that John Q. Public would be willing to shell out $600 for a gaming console, someon must have been smoking crack!

[Gothdom]

Everyone argue about sales, and VGchartz being what it is and such, yet no one reads this article.

http://www.n4g.com/up/15600...

which sums up how MS's number are messed up from the start.

[Spag]

Wow, and PS3 wasn't even out in Europe til Month 4.

[Bordel_1900]

PLAYB3YOND

Go PS3, how do wii love thee!

[retro]

whereas loads of PS3 from Sony sit on shelves.

The difference is: nobody could buy Xbox 360 in the first months, nobody wanted to buy PS3s in the first year...

Since the price drop (PS3 "gimped" 40GB version) Sony should catch up, but they have a long hard way ahead...

[name]

I suspected as much. It's kind of a half compliment to Sony that the PS3 is considered a failure. The PS3's first year sales is only considered a failure, because they expected so much more. And the 360 is considered a success, because everyone counted it out and it proved otherwise. Maybe if people stopped caring about how much their console is selling and how much they're enjoying their console themselves then this gen wouldn't be so damn annoying?

[name]

That's untrue, the ps3 had alot of shortages it's first year. I wanted a PS3 at launch and couldn't find one at all. I called plenty of gamestops/best buys and I could barely get a hold of one. I had to wait till march in order to purchase one. Unless you're referring to the middle of 07, if so then that barely qualifies as a "launch" era.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I Think the PS3 should have done even better, though It's not doing bad for It's first year, Lack of games hurt it more then anything else, not even the price hurt it as much as the Lack of games did, It's a b*tch programming for the PS3 platform, many Devolopers and even Sony stated that.

after a year Many Developers are getting the hang of the PS3, aka R&C for example, uncharted another example and a few other very nice Looking PS3 titles coming out in 2008.

Many 360 fans(I wont use fanboys because that is getting annoying and sounds childish, and can even be Insulting) will say that many Multiplatform games Look better on the 360, the 360 is by far the easier platform to Develope for compared to the PS3, though as Developers learn the PS3, You'll notice that more newer Multiplatform games are for the most part identical.

It'll be tough for the PS3 to to outsell the 360(in the short term), but it will surpass it over all.