Midway Encountering Unreal Engine Issues on PS3

Not long after Midway announced Unreal Tournament 3 would be moving out of the 2007 release timeframe on the PlayStation 3, Midway CEO David Zucker held a conference call to address how this would affect their financial situation through the rest of the year.

Zucker was very specific about the company's roadblocks on the PS3 platform, citing "technical issues with the Unreal Engine 3.0" with finishing work on the PS3 versions of Stranglehold and Area 51: Blacksite. Consequently, Area 51: Blacksite will be arriving three weeks after the Xbox 360 and PC versions drop at the end of October, while Stranglehold remains an unspecified fourth quarter release.

Midway says the technical issues on the PS3 have been ironed out, however, and following the release of Unreal Tournament 3 in early 2008, they expect the PS3 versions to arrive date and date with Xbox 360 and PC SKUs going forward.

[skynidas]

oh look what a coincidence this news comes from 1up..and look how they make the title to hurt the ps3 reputation...stupid biased site

[Tommie]

Live with it. Developers are complaining about the UE3 engine on PS3 and its not just Epic. Its not Epics fault the UE3 engine won't work proparly on the PS3 because Sony just jumped in to late to provide decent development tools and software.

[Violater]

"Midway says the technical issues on the PS3 have been ironed out, however, and following the release of Unreal Tournament 3 in early 2008, they expect the PS3 versions to arrive date and date with Xbox 360 and PC SKUs going forward."

[Firewire]

"As a public company, Midway felt an obligation to its shareholders to let them know about the possibility of a delay. But our goal is still to get the PS3 version of UT3 in stores before the end of 2007. However, we will only ship it once it’s ready and is the best game we can deliver. The PC version is still on track for a November release.

In addition there is some good news as a little extra time in development means that now the PS3 version will have all of the same maps as the PC version whereas we previously expected to ship a fewer maps on console."

-Mark Rein

http://utforums.epicgames.c...

[WilliamRLBaker]

@jackfatal

""- Personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated and will result in temp or permanent ban.""
calling for users to debubble others is in line with that.

[JsonHenry]

I would bet anything the problem had to do with limited memory and cache available to the CELL.

Too bad the PS3 did not go with a unified memory architecture, it would be a beast.

[Kleptic]

jasnhnry...haha why do you always chime in as if you understand video game programming, the PS3 architecture...or electronics in general...you know nothing about parallel processing apparently... Limited cache in the Cell?...what?...

and unified memory has nothing to do with anything either...what are you talking about?...read up on memory bandwidth between the unified 360 and semi-unified PS3 (the RSX can use some XDR, but the Cell only uses the server class XDR, not any of the GDDR3)...

the memory problems with the PS3 have been well documented...and always attributable to the OS footprint being nearly double the 360...its not because of the "unified memory is better" ignorant people made up...John Carmack addressed exactly what I just said...he knows more about everything than you...stop making stuff up...its either you make stuff up, or come up with horrible automobile analogies that are also flawed by the fact that you overlook simple engineering principles...and they don't correlate at all with what you are trying to point out...you are a frustrating person...

and please reply back with how much cache is available to the Cell...I really want to see you type it...I apologize for the attack in advance...but you have been making posts like this for a quite a while now...this has been coming...

[WilliamRLBaker]

Bottleneck installshield.

any time you have 2 pools of memory running at drastically different speeds they create an bottle neck between each other, and between the cpu and gpu.

Thats a fact of the computer world, The bottle neck in the ps3 makes the 360's ram the faster, Because it has not the bottleneck to deal with.

Edit: @installshield below
Wow a lil touchy arn't we? did I say the 360 was the best? when it comes to specs Ps3 wins out, But specs MEAN NOTHING.....N.O.T.H.I.N.G

Results matter and the simple fact is so far the results show Wii and 360 are better, Wii because of price, and games, And 360 because of the sheer power of the results devs are geting out of it.

The 360 has its flaws, But so does the ps3, Henry has a point when he says limited memory, but not when he says Cache, the Ondie cache of the cell is amazing this is a simple fact.

The memory is one of its faults, when you have 2 different pools of memory running at very drasticly different speeds they create a bottle neck, and when the CPU and GPU want to cross use stuff in each memory pool it creates a bottleneck between the cpu and gpu, This is a fact of the computer world look it up.

Ps3 is an amazing machine and Midway has said they've ironed the problems out, so im sure UT3 will be amazing.

Edit2: thats your problem you use so much sarcasm to cover up the fact you dont know diddly squat about hardware or software for that matter, Instead of using your own knowledge, you use someone elses, *john carmacks* which is wrong by the way, hes not an hardware engineer, and he dont work at sony yet knows all this stuff? that even sony wont admit too? righttt...

Just face it The memory problems are the source of most of the problems on the ps3, Which is why 99% of the multiplatform games on it have bad frame rate issues...ect

[Kleptic]

oh I apologize then...I didn't know it was that simple...the 360 is obviously the best console then...as long as it doesn't have a "bottleneck"...

You two have enlightened me...I had no idea hardware engineering was so easy...

I am done with the sarcasm...again...Mr. Carmack addressed exactly what this argument is about when interviewed about console development for Quake Wars...He went on to say that right now the only thing holding back the PS3 is the OS footprint still being pretty high...optimizations keep coming in with every firmware...but the game will still have to ship with around 20 megs less available ram than that of the 360...and thats the only thing that hurts it...

he went on to note that the PS3 has a processor that can sing when coded right...but that it is not worth the effort "yet" on a multiplatform game...the memory architecture is perfect for code that utilizes the ridiculous amount of parallel processing that the Cell is capable of...but parallel code is expensive and time consuming to create...but he went on to note that the PS3 and 360s memory architecture are overall just as restrictive on development...the 360 has that extra 10 megs hidden in there that can be used for AA, etc...while the PS3 has server class XDR with a higher bandwidth...they cancel each other out...However both have 512megs overall...it should have been doubled...

translation to all of what John Carmack said:...PS3 exlusive games will show some of its potential...multiplatform games won't even come close...its the opposite of last generation...

EDIT @ ABOVE:...It is my fault for bringing the 360 into it...It was henry's "unified" response that made me bring it up...that argument is always used, and I never understand why...

but anyway...I don't pretend to be a hardware engineer...but I do know more about than some people who almost pretend to do it for a living...I am a mechanical engineer by profession, and while that is radically different than computer hardware engineering, I have had more education in it than some who claim to have it mastered...

but I have no credibility in it...John Carmack is generally the most innovative and talented programmer that ever worked in the industry...what he says DOES matter...Him not being a hardware engineer (which he basically could be anyway) is irrelevent, he has created code for the most unique types of architecture for the last decade and a half...I was paraphrasing what he said in a recent interview, because it contradicted what you were saying...thats all...He didn't say anything Sony won't admit to...But he understands the architecture...he understands its strengths...and he understands how to use it...his argument was just that it is not worth the expense in some situations...

but you are right...I never should have brought the 360 into it...looking back on the original post, it was stupid move on my part...

[xaphanze]

'' they expect the PS3 versions to arrive date and date with Xbox 360 and PC SKUs going forward. ''

WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lord Anubis]

I guess no one told Midaway that Epic is not working on the Xbox 360 version until the PC and PS3 are out due to lack of man power. Once the PC version is out the man power is transfered to PS3 and Gears of wars PC. After the PS3 is done then they'll do the Xbox 360.

the deal is only to help epic adopt the engine for PS3 architecture, I guess its foreseeable to see why, but the help sony provided was only in respect of EDGE.Nothing more nothing less. the SN tools will arrive, I hope soon and things will be rosy for SCEI.

[xaphanze]

what about the deal between epic and sony?

[Nuclearwinter]

You probably missed the couple words infront of your quote that said "and following the release of Unreal Tournament 3 in early 2008...". Which means that after UT3 they expect all PS3 titles to be released along side their 360 and PC counterparts. Not that UT3 will be released on PS3 and 360 at the same time. Hell they aren't even working on the 360 version yet.

[razer]

Because about 4 months ago it was on the cover of Official Xbox Magazine and they were at Epic studios playing the game on the 360. Sounds to me like they are well into developement and I would guess that it's being built right along side the PC version.

The lead designer was quoted as saying "The 360 is the graphics bar we are using for this game, and our bigger concerns are getting it to run on lower spec PC's". Also quoted was a favorite of Sony fanboys to twist where they say "UT3 is looking/running better than Gears was at this point in development". They did say Gears plus graphics and that cover is for whimps but I think you can see by the videos/screenshots that it is on-par with Gears but does not exceed it by some great degree.

This is straight from the devs themselves, well before Sony came in with their $$$$ and paid Epic off to hold back the 360 version.

[CrazzyMan]

@razer, can you provide me some screens from UT3 x360 version with showing some x360 buttons on screens?

while i have seen eternal sonata ps3 trailer(with ps3 buttons), though game will come on ps3 only after 6 month.
same for CoD4, there are trailers with ps3 buttons.

so can you? :)

[BloodySinner]

If you don't believe razer, I can provide some scans for you. Because I have that issue of OXM.

[razer]

With Xbox 360 buttons on screen? All I can tell you is read the July issue of OXM and they are there, but there is no visible HUD.

http://www.techpowerup.com/...

You can check those screenshots as well from the 360 version.

EDIT: Ah, thanks BloodySinner, I was starting to think I was the only person who read that magazine. lol

[CrazzyMan]

i know about scans, but they are not PROVE, if there is no HUD of x360 buttons.
do you understand? i need scans with x360 buttons in UT3, not just scans from magazine, wich says, that they play x360 version without ANY PROVE.

oh, ok, you believe OFFicial x360 magazine, and i Don`t, so if you say, that there is UT3 x360 version, just show me some HUD. Your arguments must be proved with FACTS.
do you read me? =))

[WilliamRLBaker]

July 2007.

Exclusive UT3 hands on, They mention UT3 and playing it on xbox 360 dev kits, they mention playing againest mark rein, So if you dont believe OXM, and you dont believe Mark rein *because they quote him in the article at times, and if hes ok with them saying its xbox 360 dev kits* then who are you gonna believe?

Kaz harai on video tape, with his grandma, 6 of his boys, the producer of god of war..... (dave chappel/r kelly piss on you trial joke reference)

[CrazzyMan]

JUST show me atleast 1 screen from UT3, with x360 buttons on it.
That`s all. Do i ask too much???

Just because you belive, what they write, while with NO PROVES, you won`t convince me.
SHOW ME PROVES OF X360 VERSION.

p.s. and I WOULDN`T ask, if there wouldn`t be any interviews, where developers said, that they haven`t even started to work on x360 version. I would also believe, but now i don`t and i won`t (AND WHY YOU WOULD???) till you show me some proves.

[Alcohog]

...meaning games using the Unreal Engine 3.0. Not UT3.

[WilliamRLBaker]

So lets get this straght OXM, Official Xbox Magazine Says that They played UT3 on Xbox 360 Dev kits, Epic, Mark Rein, and 2 other guys working for epic said so by taking part in the interview and article process.

Yet now there are interviews within 3 months saying they'd not even worked on the 360 version of the game...SO OXM played the game on ps3s right? *laughs hard*

WE need not give you proof since we have OXM, Mark rein, and 2 other people at epic saying its so from the July issue of OXM.

Edit: have we seen pics of UT3 with ps3 buttons on the screen?

Edit2:I've looked around at all the gaming sites, and Cannot find any images of UT3 with onscreen prompts showing ps3 buttons.

[macsto]

HAHAHAHA WilliamRLBaker just OWNED you crazzyman, your name suits you. Now learn to spell.

[JasonXE]

"know about scans, but they are not PROVE"

"SHOW ME PROVES OF X360 VERSION."

don't you mean proof?

[CrazzyMan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

and all what YOU havem are scansm which proves nothing. =))

but, yeah, Believe. :))))))))

[macsto]

Believe what? That this game may very well be out with in WEEKS of the Xbox 360 version as opposed to months? HAHA this game is probably READY for the 360, the ps3 version is just holding it down. Just like GTA4 :)

[FirstknighT]

Cmon, it's no secret that the unreal engine is not working on the ps3. Not the first developer to complain about the ps3. Maybe instead of pointing the fingers at the developers it's time to start pointing fingers at Sony for developing a console not catered to gaming.

[nasim]

This is why UT3 on ps3 looks milesssssss better than GEARS .

This is why EPIC says "unreal engine 3.0 runs better on ps3"

[mighty_douche]

ignore all the sh1t that comes out of FirstknighT's mouth, just another fanboy trying to get a responce as its the closest to actually friendship he will achieve!!

remember if you just hit that little ignore button you wont have to read this pointless crap anymore.

if we dont 'feed' these idiot fanboys adventually they will leave and the maybe, just maybe we can be GAMERS again not biased children..

edit @ Snukadaman, oh look mr smartpants can now tell wether someones a fanboy or not by simply reading their name. its now fact if you have a 'B' in your name your a xbox fan, thanks for this wonderful insight Snukadaman, you truely are a god amoung men! or is that twat?

[Snukadaman]

a guy nicknamed Mighty_douche calling firstknight a fanboy..complaining about his fanboyism...and i quote

"if we dont 'feed' these idiot fanboys adventually they will leave and the maybe, just maybe we can be GAMERS again not biased children".

what a piece of work...way too live up too your nickname mighty_douche.

[macsto]

This is why the PS3 version of UT3 IS DELAYED. bwahahahahhahaha!

[riqued]

Weird, Mark Rein said it is delayed to add more content to the game.
Sony is working with Epic on this engine for some time and it's said to be running much better on ps3 than on the 360.

[Kulupoo]

I really dont like article from 1UP.com they didnt search their resource throughly on 360 title or PS3 and they make up stuff to get more hit for their articles...
anyway
Previous UE3 titles for PS3 are not fully optimized, but Im pretty sure once UT3 comes out it will change alot of perspectives,just look at some of the developer diary video, it looks amazing. and I dont think 360 version will come out same date as PS3, because mark rein said today at 5:01pm "it might be delayed till December but more development time will allow PS3 having same maps as PC"
But im sure when the 360 version come out is going to be amazing as well (the UT Team never let me down)

[mighty_douche]

this website is turning into crap, i used to use it to try and find the latest media but now.... theres as many fanboy wedsites getting approved as there is fanboys on here..

this game will be out this year before xmas, sony will make sure of that. who moderates this site? i wanna kick their mum in the head.

edit @ PimpDaddy, ummmm ok.... have i offended your mum or something, no, maybe its your boyfriend. ill admit im a ps3 fan but thats more to do with my hate for M$ as a company not the xbox. try relaxing my friend.

oh and by the way im sure you could get your arm EVEN CLOSER to the camera to try make it look a mill bigger or 2.

[P1MPDADDY]

All your Pro PS3 and anti 360 fanboy comments really add to this site huh??? If you dont like it leave. Stop crying about it. I like both consoles, I just happen to like the 360 more. Everyone here is entitled to make an opinion and join in on the debate. How do you know what Sony is going to do in regards to the release of this game this year??? Did you dust off your crystal ball again??? Let me guess your going to counter with "Just Wait", or the 360 has RROD, Halo 3 is 640P, we have Blu-Ray, wifi, Cell all in one box???

Ya that Blu-Ray, Cell, and wifi really helped the PS3 sell alot of consoles and have great games huh??? Did you stop to consider that maybe, just maybe this article has some merit, that maybe the PS3 is harder to develop for than the 360, which is why games get delayed, or just plain take longer to develop on the PS3 vs the 360???

LOL. What is this world coming to. A fanboy calling out fanboys. Just STFU, grab your 6-axis controller, and hold on tight, I'm sure your "Waiting Beyond" will pay off soon...

[HarryEtTubMan]

Dude u always think ur like the "BIG GUY" to step in for the 360 lovers... The developers have said specifically...that UT3 was running better for PS3 than they could get gears to run on 360. Funny much. Just cuz u have jaded views and prefer shooting aliens in Gaylo and Gears don't mean sh!t!!! LMAO, I've got Halo3, Gears, 2 Red rings of death and Halo just blows. Resistance destroys the gameplay and grapics anyday. Warhawk too. Take a seat and stop coming into every PS3 related thread heated and fuming like a maniac because 360 DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE in the long game. You know it too. ALL the biggest games have been released lmaaooo and have they even sold 16 million consoles yet? Ps3 is SUPERIOR in everyway possible besides only being out for 9 months and not releasing any big titles yet.... Yeah tour wrong, 360 is a piece of garbage I wish I never spent my money on, and Halo 3 is the biggest dissapointment the Halo fanbase could have gotten. I don't like it, my brothers don't like it, my friends are dissapointed. If thats what YOU paid 400 dollars for...good for you. As for me, I'm bored with shooting aliens. PS3 has a hugeeeee spectrum of games coming. And it WILL be out for 10 years. How much money you wanna put on it cool guy? Playstation home will be a phenomenon. Where does all the idiots think the 150 million gamers are that haven't bought a console yet are waiting for? HALO 3? HAHAHA Ot could only manage to sell 200,000 with OMG HALLLOOO 3 being released!!! PILE OF COW DUNG. I would take a sleek, japanese engineered, technologically superior,Blu ray for cheap, Final fantasy-metal gear solid all the rest of the amazing franchises playing,reliable, innovative everything system. It hasn't even been out a year man, GIVE IT A BREAK AND STOP PLAYING SIDES IF U REALLY HAVE A PS3. It has better games THIS MOMENT we understand that. Are u retarted? Are u going to keep saying this? And no one wants to hear your "but I have a PS3 too" crap. You're biased to a inferior product just because Sony boys ANNOY you. Get a life. Halo 3 blows. SERIOUSLY HALO 2.25

360 Gamertag: get shank d

[Vojkan]

Hey guys its written by Patrick Klepek, biggest Sony hater there. Where did any of you read about this "issues"? No where, just go on official site of developer and read in forum what Mark Rein said.

Klepek- ugly giant hair

[sajj316]

As usual... Ummm who's been watching their 1up show lately. Don't all raise your hands at once :). Zucker has to blame something in order to report to Shareholders.

[aaquib5]

I'll admit that there are problems with porting games onto the PS3, but I really think it's the fact that the games are ports. Look at a game like Resistance: Fall of Man. It was a launch title and destroys any 3rd party PS3 game. Everything from lighting, to sound, to detail, to environments, to online play, to steady framerates. If Insomniac can pull off an amazing game like Resistance at LAUNCH, why can't EA or Midway 10 MONTHS LATER? I personally think they just don't want to invest so much time and money on the PS3 when it's install base is so small that it won't even sell much. Sony really needs to get serious to 3rd parties and help them atleast create quality ports. Im tired of hearing this "untapped potential", Sony just needs to teach 3rd parties how to make games like Insomniac or Incognito can.

[demolitionX]

let's be honest which 3rd party have ever created a good game for PS1,2. the answer is NONE. All AAAA games are sony produced.

[gololo]

@demolitionX (9.1)
He wrote:
"let's be honest which 3rd party have ever created a good game for PS1,2. the answer is NONE. All AAAA games are sony produced."

Hmmm....then I guess when I played Resident Evil 1 & 2, Tobal, Chrono Cross, .Hack, Vagrant Story, FFVII to FFXII, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Okami, MGS 1,2,3, GTA, Silent Hill...oh wow and the list keeps going....but wait you just open my eyes....PS2 didn't have no 3rd party games....I have been living a lie!!!!
(Dude, grow up, wait no, you just have confirmed that you are a 7 year old that haven't even heard half of the games listed above!!! So kid you can't just say that, no one can say that about any console since all of them have some great games!!!)

[Maddens Raiders]

I'm really losing faith in this game site and a couple of others. I don't get it, I used to read game mags all the time -- had many many subscriptions. It seems that as the industry grew up and became more tech driven, more and more devicive writers have creeped into the industry with their own agendas and so, so many back room deals -- this has been well documented.. Who can you trust anymore?

.
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Edge?

GI?

TVG?

[mighty_douche]

thats about it, or friends.

if your unsure of a game rent it, regardless of what some guy at a website said.

its all about personal preferences and isnt that what makes the game/movie industries great in the first place? they offer different things for different peoples opinions/wants?

[d3l33t]

but the point is, its ruining the gaming industry from going in a direction thats not led by those who care about games the most, us. The 'gaming news' community needs a vast overhaul, and "FANBOYS" are not helping

[WIIIS1]

You should try losing faith in Sony and PS3 instead, it will really enlighten you a lot more.

[Squeely]

You can take that BS3 crap back to Destructoid you 4 Chan reject.

[Snukadaman]

here is a example of a writer with a agenda that clearly was wrong also....

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

yeaa people who complain about this website and are the cause of said problems FTW.

[chanto23]

The Unreal Engine doesnt run well on the PS3, look at how Rainbow Six Vegas turned out for the PS3...but according to this article they ironed out the engine to finally run smoothly on the PS3, and judging by the videos out there of Unreal Tournament running on the PS3 the game looks Gears of War type graphic wise...

[supaet]

have fun playing nerfed version of ue3 games.

vegas is the first, what is the next one?

had sony not paid midway, ut3 will come out monthes later on the ps3 like stranglehold and area 51.

[jackdoe]

UE3 is the worst enemy of the PS3. Every game built on that engine has been delayed on the PS3. You know what I say to them. Screw them. I'll just play Halo 3 and Uncharted this winter.

[Bathyj]

I call BS.

Midway might be having problems, the stranglehold demo sucked hairy balls, but Epic isn't. Its and old build now but the frame rate on Area 51 on Xbox was crap too. UT3 on the other hand is gorgeous and runs smooth.

Gee Midway, you'd think you could get epic on the phone if you're having trouble with the engine. You are publishing their biggest game.

I still think UT3 in Dec.

[MK_Red]

I don't get it. The title says: "Midway Encountering Unreal Engine Issues on PS3" and then it the main article says "Midway says the technical issues on the PS3 have been ironed out" so the true title should have been: "Midwat had problems with Unreal Engine 3 on PS3 but they are gone now" or something like that.

[Douchebaggery]

you don't get as many hits on your website with a title like that

[WAR_MACHINE77]

yeah, this is nothing but 1up trying like hell to get people to read their fanboy crap. They post crap like this even tho Mark Rein said it might be pushed back to December and it would be to add extra content to make it the same as the PC version.

[Bathyj]

Just so we're clear, EVERYONE whose played UT3 on PS3 says its awesome looks beautiful, runs smooth and is nearly identical to the PC version which is a feat in itself.

UE3.0 not running well on PS3 is an old problem that has since been sorted out. Anyone trying to scrape by without getting hold of these new techniques or whatever they are are just harming themselves as well as PS3's reputation. A 13 girl getting a slow lap time in an F1 car doesn't mean the car is slow. Help is out there for devs, I suggest they get off their arses like Epic did and make use of it. There are killer title outs already and more this year that prove its not the PS3 that is slow, its the little girl driving it.

[power of Green]

"this website is turning into crap", Some of us are trying to keep it real. lol

Tell you buddies to stop posting any old thing and ther won't be any contradictions. I think Mark R is trying to please the industry so much he traps himself due to what comes out his mouth, he sould take some lessons from TI.

[OmegaKulu]

umm i think i'll take Mark Rein's word than some guy from 1up...
http://utforums.epicgames.c...

"As a public company, Midway felt an obligation to its shareholders to let them know about the possibility of a delay. Our goal is still to get the PS3 version of UT3 in stores before the end of 2007. However, we will only ship it once it’s ready and is the best game we can deliver.

In addition there is some good news as a little extra time in development means that now the PS3 version will have all of the same maps as the PC version whereas we previously expected to ship a fewer maps on console."

[shysun]

The havok engine works like a charm(Graw2,Motorstorm) but UE3 R6:v(while being a great game) looks bad on the PS3.I hope they fix it because I reallyx10 want this game!

[Douchebaggery]

well part of the deal between Sony and Epic is optimizing UE3 for ps3, the bad thing is that a lot of games using the UE3 came or are coming out b4 UT III

[JIN KAZAMA]

SUCKS.

[caffman]

nice reading you, have a nice life now please press the white x on a red button up at the top right and go away

[JokesOnYou]

you were praising 1up director for being creditable when he speculated about 360 game releases outside of the US etc. NOW 1up is terrible for this headline and making up this news when the quote from Midway is "technical issues with the Unreal Engine 3.0" yes they also said they have been worked out now, but I thought that Epic said a while back that they had been worked out and it was running smoothly on ps3?, sure....?= so why the delay and their still not sure when it will be finished???= STOP BLAMING EVERYONE BUT SONY AND EPIC= ITS ONE OF THEIR FAULT OR POSSIBLY BOTH OF THEM FAULT, BUT ITS NOT 1up, MICRO OR 360 FANS FAULT= but if it makes you sonykids feel better its ALL MY FAULT BLAME ME, whatever it takes so you sonykids will QUIT CRYING all over N4G=

JOY

[d3l33t]

looks like someone didnt read the post

[SJL480]

Damn JERKS OFF YOUNGSTERS I thought I had you ignored. Easy fix.

[Wozzer]

Can't wait for this game looks like i'll be getting it on PS3 for the full experience.

@PimpDaddy: "Just STFU, grab your 6-axis controller, and hold on tight, I'm sure your "Waiting Beyond" will pay off soon..." - Looks like you are a fanboy calling out fanboys.

The extra content for the PS3 is more maps and modding capabilities.

[MK_Red]

WTH, 1UP didn't reveal all the info. Next-gen Mortal Kombat is CONFIRMED. W0000000000000000000t w00t.
Now I'm no longer sad about UT3's delay. Give me MK8 now (As well as Fallout 3) and I'm good for a decade.

[d3l33t]

I know i read that too!

[P1MPDADDY]

So what is the "Full Experience" that the PS3 is going to give us??? Sounds like you got straight A's in Sony Marketing. I didnt know they offered those classes in school.

I just hope this game is good, regardless of platform. I still remember playing Unreal Tournament on my PC at various LAN parties. This game has never disappointed...

@Wozzer above. Wow you forget to take your midol this morning??? My comment was aimed at mighty douche. It was meant to insult him. You can call me a fanboy. But I thought that meant you were loyal to one corporation. I'm not loyal to anybody. I just call is as I see it. Seeing as I have owned both the PS3 and 360 at least I can keep it real and speak from experience. I could care less who wins the console wars, I just like to piss you Sony fanb!tches off because its so easy. You guys take your loyalty to Sony a little too seriously. Dont hurt yourself over there. Its not worth taking your own life let alone somebody elses life over!!!

[JIN KAZAMA]

Shut your pompous ass up. You are a complete 360 xbot, regardless if you have a PS3 or not. Its either that, or you are just a complete idiot. You had no answer to when I replied back to you on the PM. Which was:

Man, you dumb _____ ______, you're just a PS3 hater. 360 has been out for almost 2 years now, and they got GOW, Halo 3, and BIOSHOCK. Thats it you stupid ____. Halo 3 is over rated as hell, BIIOSHOCK is nice, but not mich going on, and same as GOW. PS3 has Motorstorm, the BEST off road racer on any console ever, NOTHING like it on the 360, Heavenly Sword is awesome, Warhawk kicks the sh1t outta Halo 3 mulitplayer, R&C will be awesome, Uncharted will be awesome, Haze will be awesome, GT Prolgue will be awesome, and more, all within 1 year!!!!
Now Shut the ____ up, u ______ dumb mother_____ hater. You wouldnt know of a good console if it was sitting in your living room. Yea, have fun also waiting in line to get your POS console repaired after its RROD.

PLAY B3YOND

[P1MPDADDY]

6 days 3 hours ago | By: JIN KAZAMA
stop lying
dawg, you dont have a ps3. THats just lame.

6 days ago | By: PimpDaddy Edit Delete
Re: stop lying
Dude STFU. I do own a 60GB I got a month ago. My PSN ID is tonygregory007. Look at my Warhawk stats. Other people on this site I know can attest to the fact I own one. Dont be mad because I actually own the damn thing and hardly ever play it because it has no games and PSN is a joke. I only use it for Blu-Ray movies and am thinking about trading it in for a 360. The only reason I got it was because my wife bought it for our 1 year Anniversary gift. She was going to get me a 360 because I sold my Premium to my former roommate along with my old 65" 1080i HDTV. I thought I would see what the PS3 hype was all about since we got a new 1080P HDTV. Big f*cking letdown. Now it just collects dust while I wait beyond with the rest of you guys. The guy at Gamecrazy said he would give me $350.00 credit for the PS3 and $25.00 credit for Warhawk without the headpiece. Ninja Gaiden Sigma was the only good game I ever played for the PS3. I dont need to justify myself to you. Your the idiot who will be on the outside of Halo 3 looking in. That trade in sounds better and better every second I waste responding to you. I waited with my former roommate outside of Gamestop for 1 1/2 hours to get Halo 3 at launch. I had more fun in the next 6 hours of gaming on his 360 then I did in my whole month of owning a PS3. Sony needs to change thier marketing to "Pray Beyond" Pray that people are actually stupid enough to pay $600.00 for a Blu-Ray player.

5 days 10 hours ago | By: JIN KAZAMA
Re: stop lying
Man, you dumb mother f*cker, you're just a PS3 hater. 360 has been out for almost 2 years now, and they got GOW, Halo 3, and BIOSHOCK. Thats it you stupid f*ck. Halo 3 is over rated as hell, BIIOSHOCK is nice, but not mich going on, and same as GOW. PS3 has Motorstorm, the BEST off road racer on any console ever, NOTHING like it on the 360, Heavenly Sword is awesome, Warhawk kicks the sh!t outta Halo 3 mulitplayer, R&C will be awesome, Uncharted will be awesome, Haze will be awesome, GT Prolgue will be awesome, and more, all within 1 year!!!!
Now Shut the f*ck up, u f*ckin dumb motherf*cker hater. You wouldnt know of a good console if it was sitting in your living room. Yea, have fun also waiting in line to get your POS console repaired after its RROD.

4 days 23 hours ago | By: PimpDaddy Edit Delete
Re: stop lying
Read your last reply and think twice before calling me the hater. I took the time to own both consoles. That is my honest opinion after having owned both consoles. Check out my blog and you can see why. I dont hate the PS3 but at the same time I think the 360 is better. Xbox Live is the biggest reason I went back to the 360.

[Xbox is the BEST]

hate PimpDaddy he's telling the truth. We care more about Blu Ray thats why you get 5 free movies.

[Snukadaman]

sucks man that you have confirmed that you own the ps3 yet people still think for some reason you have a agenda against it...jesus people this man owns one....one of your own and you disagree with his views since he favors the xbox360.....does he have too be the mindless droid some of you people act like on this website...seriously i see some ps3 owners like this who are told too shut up when they have a issue with the ps3....and it does no one any good being like this...consumers lost confidence in the ps3 months after launch day. comments and accusations from the ps3 community of fanboys dont help matters, acting childish and always crying about conspiracy's against their console only strengthens the consumers views against buying a ps3.

[mighty_douche]

N4G, once news for gamers, now....

NETWORKING 4 GAYS.......

now come on, kiss and make up you to.

[Firewire]

"As a public company, Midway felt an obligation to its shareholders to let them know about the possibility of a delay. But our goal is still to get the PS3 version of UT3 in stores before the end of 2007. However, we will only ship it once it’s ready and is the best game we can deliver. The PC version is still on track for a November release.

In addition there is some good news as a little extra time in development means that now the PS3 version will have all of the same maps as the PC version whereas we previously expected to ship a fewer maps on console."

-Mark Rein

http://utforums.epicgames.c...

[WilliamRLBaker]

Firefox can't find the server at utforums.epicgames.c....

* Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com

* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.

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that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

[unlimited]

Isn't Sony helping Epic with it??

[unlimited]

They have trouble now its been ironed out..Everybody knows that its hard difficult for the PS3?? Who keeps posting the same recycle news??

[doomsonyman]

PimpDaddy your a gay stupid loser dumb ass fanboy on staroids. you can't hide from me i know the truth about you and i have to say thAT you make me sick. and to 1up you are the most bised site on the net you didn't even search you sources good enough and you still post this crap??

wow the nerve of some people

[demolitionX]

pathetic 360 bots,
there's nothing wrong in the unreal engine with PS3. Epic and Sony are already developing an exclusive PS3 game, the game is being worked on the Unreal engine (rumoured to be unreal engine 4). Also, Rockstar is working on a new IP that can only truly done on PS3, harnessing the power of CELL and Blu-ray disc.

The future looks tough for ur box. good developers are beginning to figure how powerful is the PS3, and it will be eventually the lead and only platform for development.

The delay will be in PS3 favor, and by the way the PS3 version of UT3 looks amazingly as good as the PC version if not better. Adam Hanson admitted that himself, he said he liked the PS3 version more. I have he feeling they will add the big maps and the 64 players online on PS3. The PS3 is a beast can handle 128 online players.

[montavious]

because no one can with the mouth diarrhea you spew. "The PS3 looks just as good if not better than on the PC?" Like you would even know that since the games no where released, nor can you make that claim to any rational human being. Like saying your Pinto can go just as fast if not faster than a Porshe 911.

[etownone]

sucks for the 360 fans....its should be more than obvious to everyone that developing games for the PS3 is much harder than 360..thus all the delays of games and demos....and some games not running as smoothly (pretty much every multi game except oblivion)

so what sucks for the 360 fans is we are suffering more of a wait (just like GTA4) because of the PS3....WTF!!!! I was really looking forward to the 360 version...now I'll probably just get it on PC.

[BIadestarX]

I'm not going to say anything but... but just sit here and LOL... don't want to angry Sony fanboys with the facts...

[mightydog01]

Then WTF are u doing here? Your bunch of school kids trolling for bad news on the ps3. But your quiet when their's good news.GAMES do get delayed on all systems So..what! As long as the games are not rush and become AAA game. Than a game thats rushed and becomes ok type game? WHO CARE'S. I'll tell you we care the gamers.

[ProjectX]

Didn't I already embrass you last week?

[Xbox is the BEST]

the Emotion Engine??? The Cell is part two, trash just like the Emotion Engine. Look around what computer has the Cell in it??? None because it's trash.

[mistertwoturbo]

oh well. i'd rather have games be made with this engine www.wardevil.com

that engine would make a X360 cry red ring of death as soon as the game starts. oh my bad, the 360 isn't even capable of true 1080p anyway. upscaled gaming forever. that's why halo 3 runs in beautiful 640p. wow.

[Mars Attacker]

Imagine that. Another confirmed report of the PS3 development system sucking. Don't worry Sony fanbots: "they expect the PS3 versions to arrive date and date with Xbox 360 and PC SKUs going forward."

Also, they forgot to mention:
Check is in the mail
I'll still love you in the morning
Pregnant women are beautiful

[bluebrad1974]

The sh*tty Cell processor strikes again.

[snoopgg]

Epic is being sued by Silicon Knights as we talk over the epic engine. Thier game for the 360 called Too Human has been delayed over and over because of Epic's poor engine support. They, Silcon Knights conclude that Epic failed to provide product support and more deviously witheld specs to make their own Gears of War look better then other Unereal Engine games. This info was taken out of the oct 2007 issue of Egm if anyone wants to read it. Who knows, maybe Epics engine support isn't the same for everybody, maybe they give more support to people with big pockets. Too Human is being developed for the 360 and they are having problems with the engine. Now answer this 360 followers is it Epics fault, or the 360's fault. You can't blame Silicon Knights, cause nobody is blaming Midway for the ps3s problems with these 2 games.

[The Dark Knight]

i dont know why ps3 fanboys are saying this site is full of fanboys when there are more fanboys on this site than the whole population of asia.

face it jesus ps3 is a flop stop defending it, all sony does is lie and you lick there Balls ,

let it die out its gone , its a remake of the 3do

[gololo]

@demolitionX (9.1)
He wrote:
"let's be honest which 3rd party have ever created a good game for PS1,2. the answer is NONE. All AAAA games are sony produced."

Hmmm....then I guess when I played the following games I must have been crazy or something to like them Resident Evil 1 & 2, Tobal, Chrono Cross, .Hack, Vagrant Story, FFVII to FFXII, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Okami, MGS 1,2,3, GTA, Silent Hill...oh wow and the list keeps going....but wait you just open my eyes....PS2 didn't have no 3rd party games....I have been living a lie!!!!
(Dude, grow up, wait no, you just have confirmed that you are a 7 year old that haven't even heard half of the games listed above!!! So kid you can't just say that, no one can say that about any console since all of them have some great games!!!)

[Solotov]

The lack of memory and overhyped Cell are the problems.

[Rooftrellen]

Unreal expectations (pun not intended) are often problems when dealing with something new. People expected too much out of the PS3 and the "power of the CELL!!111shift+one" Really, its not something that blows away everything we've seen to date. It's good, sure, but some company hyped it up to the point that people expected it to be perfect. It's not creating perfect graphics, and its not proving smooth riding for developers. Graphics will evolve, as they always do though the course of a console's life cycle, and developers will find it easier to use, but obviously, expectations were too high.

This is no different from Halo 3 being overhyped, and people expecting far too much (I have some friends already away from it and back to playing Goldeneye). Hype happens. What we need to do, though, is keep our expectations grounded. Only a fool would have expected development for the PS3 to go flawlessly, but Sony hyped it up as being some sort of super computer with the ultimate processor for the next 10 years.

Everyone should have known there would be bumps. Never believe the hype.

[demolitionX]

u xbots saying the same stuff over and over, u all r morans.

Cell power is undeniable, it's just a different architecture than x86. developers don't know how to program the SPUs and the cell's parallel architecture. my only blame is Sony should help 3rd party with he cell architecture, i am not sure why they are so conservative helping 3rd party. Infinity Ward of COD4 complained too that sony doesn't provide any help, despite they have each platform developed separately, even they mentioned that they use only 30% of the PS3 power and it's as good as he PC version 720p/60fps.

even naughtydog confirmed that on uncharted 50%: http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

PS3 power will be fully exploited by 2008, but honestly Sony had to work harder than that. we already lost UT3 now!!!!!what's next!!!!um really PISSED!!!!

[Wii60_FTW]

lol @ ps3

[snoopgg]

I mean, in no way were they pushing the engine of halo3, or at least I hope not. Unreal 3 will look and play like a next gen shooter. It might take a little longer, but I'd rather have a great looking game, that runs fast and smooth rather then a overhyped Halo3 engine that has snail like speed at its best. Halo 3 should win slowest fragfest of the year. I took my copy back, I hated its multiplayer. Game engine was so overated, and they had been working on it for like forever.

[mighty_douche]

as far as i know actually runs on the same engine as halo 2, obviously its had some (SOME) improvements. like i said i might be wrong but if that is the case then the 360's number 1 title actually runs on last gen (i hate all this gen crap, what does that make my pc then... next next next gen?!?) software. im only going on what ive read and been told here so if your a halo fan or fanboy who disagrees instead of just screaming at me like you do your mum provide me with evidence that im wrong.

EDIT: wow, look at all the fanboys below (CAFFMAN & FIRSTKNIGHT)! do you guys actually think that its impossible for someone to not like halo 3?? if that was the case every xbox owner would have a copy but they dont. explain that? i have alot of friends with xboxs and they are currently playing halo but they were ALL expecting more from it, and yes i can supply you with Live Names, but as they arent biased and have no brand loyalty they are happy to admit that, guys like you on the other hand, even if your weren't over happy about halo 3 you would still sit there and defend it all day long, thats beacause being a FANBOY has become more important to you than being a GAMER. a games is juat a game, nothing more, and like all games it will be forgotten about as quickly as it came, as is the case with killzone, metal gear, crysis, every game regardless of platform or sales.

[caffman]

whats your gamertag? lets have a look at your stats. Or is everything you just said just a big pile of steaming crap.STFU

[FirstknighT]

Yeah if you did own a copy of Halo 3 than you would know that you have tons of options and can add the level of speed you play. Same goes with gravity.

Example...

Great gametype...Max speed, Zero gravity, Zero shields, pistols. Superhuman speed and jumps equals great fun.

But of course you knew that, right?

[JokesOnYou]

what are the release dates for sony's big upcoming games? I know this sounds really crazy but I'm going to make a WILD prediction and say 2 out of 3 of sonys "hype" exclusives will be delayed= yeah I know I'm crazy but sometimes you just have to be BOLD and go for it, ha ha=

JOY

[FirstknighT]

I wonder how long is it going to take for the sony fools to finally realise that their precious ps3 is destined to fail. How much more bad news can you take before you give up? More delays? More multiplatform games better on the 360? More overhype flops on the ps3 (Lair, Heavenly Sword)? More AAA titles on the 360??? More developers saying that the ps3 is full of problems??? The ps3 is being compared to the 3DO and doing worse than the Gamecube. How much more???

It's EA's fault. It's Epic's fault. It's Ubisoft's fault. Lazy developers. Yadadadada.... Time to point the finger at Sony for creating an overhype piece of junk.

[Xbox is the BEST]

PS1 no hype, PS2 overhyped, PS3 overhyped.

[kornbeaner]

how many broken consoles can you take before you realize you bought the Fiat of Consoles. (Fix it again Tony)

[Synex]

I don't remember any developers saying the PS3 had a large amount of problems (I could be wrong I would like to see some sources). And of course there are going to be issues with programming something completely new. For example no body can walk into a class and understand everything to it's fullest. This is exactly how the cell works; it's new technology that needs to be played around with in order to understand it completely. I'm sure the developers are trying new things everyday and passing on the info on what works and what doesn't to other developers; this will eventually lead to a full understanding of this new technology.

[Synex]

I don't remember any developers saying the PS3 had a large amount of problems (I could be wrong I would like to see some sources). And of course there are going to be issues with programming something completely new. For example no body can walk into a class and understand everything to it's fullest. This is exactly how the cell works; it's new technology that needs to be played around with in order to understand it completely. I'm sure the developers are trying new things everyday and passing on the info on what works and what doesn't to other developers; this will eventually lead to a full understanding of this new technology.

[jlytle1234]

well regardless of there being problems. The article says there arent problems anymore. And its still going to hit ps3 before it hits 360 and any unreal engine based game after unreal will release simultaneously on 360 and ps3. So its all the same. You wont get it when you wanted it, but its coming out. And while you might be waiting for that game, there are tons of games to be playing in the meantime. And the ps3 isnt going to fail. Sony has developed two successful consoles and this will be their third in a long line of consoles. There will never be any less than 3 consoles on the market because this market only gets bigger and more profitable. And its rather unrealistic to think sony is going to bankrupt itself in the next few years. And its unrealistic that sony is going to just close up shop and tell MS they give up. If last gen consoles were any indication ill be playing my ps3 while 360 fans are worried if ms will support there console or just dump it in favor of a new one every 4-5 years.

[jazzmanb]

everybody knows that developers dont like the ps3,as they didnt like the ps2...they did however love the money they made on selling ps2 games,but not so much on the ps3 yet,if ever...the ps3 isnt as powerful as you think,because it was designed by stubborn sony,who refused to take advice from developers like epic...the 360 was designed for developers and it shows...games simply take longer to make and are far more expensive on the ps3 thanks to useless blue ray discs[at least for gaming] blue ray costs too much,developers need twice the amount of time to develop games,and its simply a pain in the ass to develop for...its obvious,the proof is in the pudding....open you eyes,because the ps3 is slowly dying,because of the architecture of the system,developers have gotten spoiled by the ease ,and amazing profit of making games on the 360,and that wont change...also remember that each blue ray disc,costs four times the amount of money as a game disc on dvd9,and there is no difference for gaming,as the space is USELESS AND NOT CHEAP/

[Synex]

I don't think this has anything to do DvD9 and Blu-Ray, and from what I have gathered all developers love the option of more space on discs. This article is about the Cell Architecture.

[spike]

I totally agree with Jazzmanb. I own a 360 and glad with it. I think PS3 has a lot of problems right now with games being delayed. Thought about buying one but not right now not any time soon.

[Synex]

I'm sorry to hear that. You atleast need to get one after the $399 SKU comes out and before or at the time of the UT3 release. <--- Ultimate online gaming.