LA Noire's Future on Xbox 360 Again in Question Because of DVD

GFB writes: "It looks like there may be some issues with Rockstar Games' highly anticipated and very ambitious LA Noire for the PS3 and Xbox 360. In particular it appears the Xbox 360 version is the one with issues. While many have questioned the DVD media format on the 360 since 2006, it seems the antiquated format is causing enough problems to be frustrating the team at Team Bondi, the developer behind LA Noire."

[FangBlade]

Ouch.

[nix]

even if it comes out gimped on 360, the 360 version will have a better rating on meta than PS3. just like FFXIII.

360: 83 (18 reviews)
PS3: 82 (38 reviews)

i love R* but GTAIV was pure crap.

EDIT: @below: i'm laughing at hypocrisy here. that too a biased one. Bayonetta:

360: 90 (85 reviews)
PS3: 86 (53 reviews)

GTAIV got 10/10 from most sites but it was still a crap.

it's a good thing that you don't bother about critics much. even i don't care much. i haven't read a single review of GOW3 because i know that game is going to be a great one.

@playstationgen: yup! they're just slowly killing the game industry.

[divideby0]

^ rating and sales dont mean jack to me...I prefer a better game than a popular game...
I dont know you point..its makes no sense

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

We all know the American Gaming Media Favors the xbox...the proof is in the pudding buddy

[BeaArthur]

nix...to be fair the PS3 version of Bayonetta had some decent framerate issues. I however don't understand the FF13 one though. It's been pretty clear that the PS3 version is the superior version. Oh well, I don't really care, I pay which ever version is better.

[thereapersson]

It's a simple solution, really. Who needs Wii fit / motion controls, when you're getting up and down to change discs at a frequent pace?

You get current-gen visuals AND you get to burn some calories. LOL

edit @ beaArthur:

Disc space had nothing to do with Bayonetta's PS3 outing. Platinum Games' lazy PS3 efforts had EVERYTHING to do with the performace of that port. Let me repeat the word for you:

PORT

[mastiffchild]

^^^No, no they aren't. most of their readers are? Yeah, 360 gamers so wouldn't failing to be a little softer on that platform possibly hurt the sites? Course it would. you start making out that your readers backed the wrong horse and you'll end up losing readers, losing sales, selling fewer ads because of less traffic/sales and be in a bind. the differences in scores are tiny anyway even if the FF13 Metacritic thing does mean gamers are given the wrong impression-something Metacritic SHOULD but won't make clear for their readers who ask for a fair, honest service but when that can be affected(deliberately or not) by sites just hammering the game on ONE platform what straight service are gamers getting? when the weaker version is promoted better than the better version someone needs to say something as gamers are being misled and whether by design or not doesn't matter. Also makes Metacritic look and feel redundant esp if some editors of smaller sites are playing them over this issue.

Whatever, the only way PS nd 360 will get toally even treatment would be if they were made in the same place and had equal sized markets and equal portions of site's readers and on English speaking sites there's still a big lead for the 360 so to expect anything other than the sites to write , however slightly, what their readers want to hear is a no brainer and is always gonna happen, imo. Say what you like but this happens on most publications from national papers being slightly softer on their national sports teams to Edge favouring the British devs they speak to more regularly than foreign ones. ?Thes e are small, understandable and often essential features of any site with a partial reader base, no? How else would they survive? In fairness the differences n exclusives scores isn't much, may be the opposite in the East and rarely stops a great game from selling well or staying AAA.

IMO it's just window dressing to prevent readers feeling their purchase is being questioned and that keeps them reading. Simple. Now, if they wer all like Edge and the stats bore out a massive difference between their marks for a certain platforms exclusives and versions compared to Metacritic then we'd have a real issue but it's only Edge with this bizarre problem so is it really the end of games writing? It's also still a young branch of the media and you will get more amatear writers in strong positions and they're likely to be untrained or even carry some fanboy baggage-just let it develop and it should improve but the quickest way would be if Sony got parity of sales in the west(or US/UK really as I'm told French sites often favour the PS3 because it sells better in their country AND they feel no link to MS as they share no common language or nationality unlike the UK/US sites. It' all pretty understandable, imo, even if it'll never be perfect.

I don't like sites just putting out bad reviews of FF13 on the PS3 alone, though, as it REALLY is making the 360 version seem like it's the better one and that isn't fair to gamers looking for advice over which to buy.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

well ffxiii meta reviews, PS3 version has more reviews over the 360 version. just give it time.

but i do agree that the 360 version should of had some points docked off since it looks bad compared to the PS3 version. they did it to Bayonetta.

[Tinted Eyes]

Remember guys, blu ray is completely useless for games :D

[thereapersson]

Don't you know? The only time a multiplatform counterpart gets rated lower is when it's on the PS3. If you rate a multiplatform 360 version of a game lower than the PS3 version, the internet will implode on itself.

The game could be a slideshow on a disc with Atari 2600 graphics, and yet media outlets will rate it the same as the PS3 version, suddenly having the balls to say "differences are negligible; GAMERS FOR THE WIN!"

F*cking pathetic

[BeaArthur]

thereapersson...I'm sorry, could you point out the section of my post where I talked about disc space. I said nothing about disc space at all. I said that the PS3 version had a lower score because it had framerate issues, that is it. Learn to read before you comment. Let me repeat the word for you:

FRAMERATE

[Commander TK]

nuff said. I was looking 4ward for LA Noire, but now it's another gimped game.

[Persistantthug]

So basically,

Sites like IGN and Gamespot gave 2 SEPERATE reviews for the smaller Bayonetta game,

But a much bigger game like FINAL FANTASY 13...you mean to tell me it DOESN'T warrant 2 separate reviews?

I smell a fat rat here.

But I'm willing to give it a few days to sort itself out, just on the strength of fairness and all.

[StanLee]

Red Dead Redemption says hello. Team Bondi sucks. The game wasn't going anywhere which is why Sony took the 20 million loss and dumped the game. I'll be playing Mafia II while they try to figure out how to get their heads out their a**es.

[m-s-8-2]

$20 million loss? Wasn't that money paid back in the form of development/exclusivity for Agent?

[morganfell]

I agree on GTA IV. The only good thing was the story of Nikko. The execution of that story was poorly handled.

As regards scores, IGN gave GTA IV a 10 in graphics. They stated they award a 10 not because the game is perfect but because a title is pushing the envelop. That means the title was beyond anything else out there in graphics and that is a joke. Uncharted and several other games made GTA IV laughable in that department. But the reviewers were unconcerned about standards or honesty. They were determined to hype that game up beyond it's reality.

It's okay for a reviewer to like a title but they have to maintain some degree of objectivity.

[nix]

that's the disgusting part of this gaming generation. the media are like snakes with split tongues! calling them snakes is disrespecting snakes!

little do they know that they are slowly killing the gaming industry. all the enthusiastic devs will get discouraged if this keeps happening. then all we'll get is generic games. i hope people wake up and realise that biased media is bad for gaming industry.

[Persistantthug]

There's no source, There's no Link......there's not even a single quote here.

I've personally never heard of this site, then to top it all off...their name is GOFANBOY.COM.

While BluRay is superior in every way, as we all know, in terms of this article, there just isn't enough to go on.

Sorry gofanboy.com, nothing personal.

[acedoh]

I believe the public at large is slowly turning towards the PS3. Despite Microsoft trying to influence the media with advertising dollars... Although this is nothing new. It happens all the time on t.v. The media would rather be dishonest and misleading than lose their advertising dollars. SONY doesn't spend the same type of money on advertising dollars and that unfortunately influences web sites and their reviews. Even if a reviewer wanted to be honest they would be stopped before the review could be posted. Really we should be thankful that websites like Amazon exist and give the power to the people to post reviews. You still deal with some b.s. but all in all you get the real picture.

[corneliuscrust]

Cell processor frustrating developers.

There will always be things that seem like a hindrance to developers simply because they can't find an easy solution right away.

This is why the PS3 has had some questionable ports, and this is why we will see, more and more, the 360 get some questionable multiplats as devs get used to the extra space blu ray affords.

[bpac123456789]

I highly doubt that you will have to switch discs when moving between towns. Instead you will probably have the story broken up onto multiple discs. So you would still be able to roam the entire world on the first disc but to get to the second half of the story you will have to put in the second DVD.

[The Lazy One]

I hadn't heard that this wasn't a PS3 exclusive anymore. I could care less about disks imo. Though I can see where some people might be upset.

And GTA4 may not have pushed the envelope graphically compared to every game, but compared to sandbox games, it's one of the best looking games ever. It also did a great job for story telling.

I could make an amazingly rendered grain of sand that blows Uncharted 2 out of the water at that scale, but Uncharted 2 has the rest of the level, so it will probably look better. Just like GTA4 has the whole city that adds to the feel of the game rather than a linear set of levels. Comparing them was just silly.

[HolyOrangeCows]

You create a large sandbox game, you're going to have some issues as to how you're going to split up the data on DVDs.

[jamesgtaiv]

I really had no idea this was no longer a ps3 exclusive. I may not buy it now. What is not a surprise though, is that the DVD is holding back gaming yet again. Meaning my ps3 copy is going to look like crap because the limitations of cross platforming. If I still had a 360 I would prefer the game be delayed so that each console has unique development and more time dedicated to it. 2 consoles = half a game for each.

[TK421]

Now we wait to see how much content gets cut and how far down the screen resolution goes.

I used to be excited about this game.

[Ravage27]

whatever it is - DON'T touch the ps3 version please...don't slaughter the game by making the first two-third portion a linear experience and only opening it up during the last disc for the 360.

[jamesgtaiv]

Mafia 2. It rocks my socks!

[jessupj]

I can just imagine one of the programers working, trying everything to get the game to fit on DVD9 and then after a few hours spits the dummy. "Why the f*ck did those microsoft cheap ass sons of b*tches put outdated dvd9 in that sh*t box!!! RRRAAAAWWWAAAWWWWAAWWAWARRR!!& quot;. /wrists

It's only a joke guys, don't get too offended.

[N4BmpS]

Interesting turn of events T2 wants to push both consoles obviously but they can't exactly do that do to the 360's limitation, why did I just reiterate what this article said anyway it's probably not gonna go back to being exclusive money was already paid for it to be on the 360 although I think there is still a chance of that happening if the developers aren't happy no one will be happy. I hope MS is paying attention, even though I think they'll defend their console regardless.

[Silver360]

If they can't do it with dvd9 then cancel the 360 version. Only reason they doing the 360 version anyway is to sell to a larger install base. So the decision is simple just don't do it.

[8thnightvolley]

MS thinks of replacing the 360 within the next 2 years at most and nothing more.. coz this DVD issue is becoming a thone...and a growning by the day as developer try to make bigger games with higher fidelity the tech is not there to match the produce.. they have to adopt the blu ray or some big storage option or forward the tech that allows dvd to store over 100 times of its original size( i remember an article about taht sometimes last year(google it)). Sony is going get alot of favours from developers and many are going to complain and many more...

note already square enix, rockstar,epic,capcom,Bioware,I d soft, etc have all complained at some point about the DVD limitations and more are going to complain and i dont think MS should sit on their fat ass and not do anything and even have the cheek to charge loyalty cost to developers coz they need extra discs ,,,,...

that is annoying. and u cant blame them going all exclusive to sony or gimping the 360 version.

[Coffin87]

Just f*in DUMP it on 360, dammit!!!
Devs, know your limits!
Know your priorities!!!
Draw your conclusions!!!!!

DUMP IT ON 360!!!!!

[The Lazy One]

DVD is hugely over exaggerated in the media and community. It's a design consideration, and as long as developers plan for it, they will be fine. The development community largely doesn't really care about the "limitations" of DVD, because they are barely even limitations.

[Biggest]

What do they call the maximum allowed speed on a road? Speed limit. What do they call the maximum allowed space on a storage unit? You can't make any more game after this number limit. The Xbox360's You can't make any more game after this number limit is 6.8G. You can not make any more game after 6.8G is used. That isn't a limit? Please tell me how you can make more game after 6.8G on a Xbox360 DVD.

[menoyou]

just great, another game gimped because of the 360. I HATE YOU MICROSOFT

[vhero]

I would love one game developer to just come out and say the reason we didnt develop on 360 was because DVD wasn't big enough. Mainly just to shut MS up for saying it was enough not because I want them to lose a game.

[morganfell]

Anyone that believes the limitations with DVD9 can simply be planned around understands little to nothing of the developmental process. Nor do they grasp the financial ramifications.

It isn't as simple as "just break up the areas between towns". The compiling of game data doesn't work like that. You also wind up with multiple assets such as audio and textures that have to be duplicated and and inevitably compressed on each and every disc. Add to this the useless requirement from MS to eat up over a GB of space for security that any trip to a warez site shows is absolutely useless.

Now look at the financial side. An engine set to revolutionize next gen gaming more than Crytek 3, the Rage engine, is premiering soon. MS has refused to pay for the 3rd disc for the title game that has been requested by Id. Id nor Bethesda will cough up the money either. That money doesn't fall off of trees. So now items will be cut from the game and the remainder compressed. And the PS3 and PC versions are shafted by the 360.

The lesson? Like money, discs do not grow on trees. You can't just say, "add a disk." It costs real, serious money.

If this were a movie the PS3 and PC would be the two fast runners that were eaten by dinosaurs because they were shackled to the fat kid called 360 who couldn't keep up.

The public needs to understand that development problems are like an iceberg. By the time the public sees or hears about something poking up above water, the issue has swelled to massive proportions at studios. Devs do not spout off at the first bit of trouble. It takes a serious issue with incredible challenges for something to leak to the surface.

[sid4gamerfreak]

"ouch" is the right word. Microsoft is in some deep s(*! right now...
@thehitman

Can a ps3 do movie and music editing? Can it run web building software? Can a ps3 run all sorts of different software? BTW, most of ur games r made on a pc. Talk about retardness...

[Silver360]

It is just a business ploy they complain about the disc size so fan boys can get all agitated and complain to MS. That way they can put the game on 3 discs and have MS reduce or not charge royalties for the extra discs. If they really feel that strongly about the storage space cancel the damn game.

[pixelsword]

The ball is in your court: either put out an unspoiled vision of your game or quit complaining.

[What Would Kratos Do]

Would it be viable for it to be released on 360 as DD only?

[BeaArthur]

Not for me I probably wouldn't have the hard drive space. Although I would probably buy the PS3 version anyways so I don't really care.

[corneliuscrust]

If MS didnt back themselves into a corner with proprietary hard drive options.

It will be interesting to see, though, how ISPs react when we ARE beginning to download 20+GB games... lots of people will hit their bandwidth cap very quickly.

[jessupj]

Yeah, it's definitely not not going to be an option in Australia. Even when technology progresses, ISPs are still going to be little sh*ts and have every single plan capped.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

seriously, lets not make this another "lost Data" guys..

[TOO PAWNED]

I put my cat as a bet they they will do it. If they did it for FF13, they will do it for new IP that had 40 million budget.

[Julie]

"I put my cat as a bet..."

No no you didn't! D:

[BubbleSystemSuck]

Oh oh...
GTA5 in trouble for 360?

[Denethor_II]

Don't Xbox will stop GTAV from being a great game you can count on it.

[Akagi]

GTA 4 would have been amazing if it was PC/PS3 only.

[corneliuscrust]

it would have been even better than that as PC only.

What we need is for devs to STOP working for parity between ports. Give each system the game that tailors to the system's strengths

[thehitman]

There is nothing the pc can do that the ps3 cant do. Sure you can buy better gfx cards that output better resolutions but doesnt affect the creative restrictions when a game is being made. Something like storage space effects creative restrictions heavily, which is where the 360 is floating in right now.

[Kain81]

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[NobleRed]

But but but nobdy needs blu ray.

[blitz0623]

Damn it, Microsoft...

[rawd]

buh buh buh Miloooo

[L-Teezy]

then u can count me not buying it. not gonna pay full price for another compromise half a game.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I've been looking forward to this one. If it turns out to be a PS3 exclusive, then I'll have to buy my PS3 sooner rather than later. I'd prefer to wait until there's another price cut or two since I'm in no hurry to get one, but I definitely want to play L.A. Noire.

On a different note, MS's solution is simple: F the people who don't have a HDD and let developers start requiring a HDD. Only casual gamers don't have a HDD anyway, and no casual gamer is going to buy L.A. Noire.

[Shaka2K6]

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[AngryTypingGuy]

You know Shaka, there are plenty of great 3rd party games out there that even though they don't look as pretty as a PS3 exclusive, have better storylines and gameplay than the majority of exclusives. There will be a lot of great games that you miss.

[3sq]

360 it only causes problems.

[HypermysticsonicHMSX]

nice going Microsoft!

[X_GAMER_X]

What is the problem with that?
never heard of Multi DVD?
Is it so hard to make the game into 2 or 3 dvd's?
This Gen is full of winnies.

[mario888]

Sandbox games are made for one disc only and plus you have to pay a royalty fee for each additional DVD.

Why do you think MS xbox took 2 steps forward and 2 steps back with the 360?

xbox 360 = No standard Hd and last gen dvd media =
Devs have to work around the limitations = Console Games are gimped.

[Corrwin]

And people who don't understand how data is accessed in a free roaming game, apparently.

It may have worked with FFXIII, but that's because the only free-roaming part occurs on the 3rd disk.

[BubbleSystemSuck]

and never heard about one Bluray disk?

Example... GTA5... you are corossing the Bridge and "Please insert Disc 3"...

[saint_john_paul_ii]

this is supposed to be a sandbox game.

you know like GTA IV.

imagine playing a sandbox game, then when you cross into another island/borough, the game asks you to switch your disc.

sandbox games stream via the disc.

so no, Multi-DVDs dont work here.

if the 360 had a HDD as standard, then this would not be a problem cause you would install the other discs into the HDD, like how you do it on the PC. but Microsoft's ignorance has pretty much crippled game development...

[avengers1978]

If microsoft didn't charge companies for making multidisc games, or if the cost to make multidisc games was really cheap then it wouldn't be a problem, but since it cost developers money then it's a problem for them. This isn't new though lots and lots of developers are getting sick of dvd limitations.

[BldyShdw]

Winnies? Like Winnie-the-Pooh? creepy

[Baka-akaB]

i'm tired of that retarded argument.. i's like saying couldnt gta 3 be done on multiple cds ?

Open world games arent like hack and slash you can segment into missions and levels that easily .

There are various reasons for the increasing need of space , and NONE whatsoever for ever going backward with technology .

At least none unrelated to greed .

For now one massive zone or set of zones can still fit a dvd with plenty limitations ... like in Mass effect 2 (wich isnt even the most open game , when it comes to the worlds it features) ... but what happens when devs want to design a zone bigger than a dvd can handle ?

Nothing anyway , because aware of the limitations , and the money they could lose by skipping the 360 , they simply gimp themselves until the next generation . So they hack away pieces of said zones , forget gameplay features they would like to use or add , because well there isnt enough space besides the scenery and some basic stuff .... or get a rather small vision and list of goals to begin with

Wich make it a loose/loose situation for everyone , 360 owners like us included . It is obvious that even awesomes multiplatform games could have been so much better , if not for such a detail

[divideby0]

yawn...Rockstar said last year DVD was gonna be a big limitation on games.
MS will go the route of the PC...installs for games..

[Denethor_II]

Not without Hdrives being mandatory.

[dustgavin]

Yea. Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with not including a hardrive for each system.

[Ravage27]

the single worst obstacle in multiplat development, thanks to M$ shortsighted decision to grab market share

[corneliuscrust]

that is what is messing everything up, along with MS using their proprietary HDD solutions.

[BYE]

Well, just scrap it.

360 users only buy Halo games anyway :)

[Lou-Cipher]

"Well, just scrap it."

They wont scrap the 360 version, they will just scrap most of the game content until it fits on 1 DVD.(sound familiar) 360 will gimp this game too. just like every other Multiplatform.

[rawd]

God of War 3 - 35gb says hi

[Corrwin]

Devs only have <7GB per dual layer DVD because of the 360's (laughable, for its size at around 2GB per disk) copy protection.

There will be a point where MS is going to have to do something about it, and it's likely the answer will be a 720.

I'm impressed Rockstar managed to fit New York on a disk, but if the reports were true at the time, they also had to cut a lot of content.

[Dev8 ing]

They should drop the copy protection. Clearly it isn't working and devs would have more space for content.

[Corrwin]

It is an absurd waste of space, for what? The PS3 has yet to be hacked in any meaningful way, and whilst 2GB copy-protection code wouldn't matter on blu-ray, I don't think they even have something as ridiculous.

On top of that, MS charge extra for multi-disk games. It's a bit of a slap in the face.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Is fine for a lot of games but there will be about 30-40 percent of games that get gimped...

eDIT: sPORTS AND FIGHTING GAMES USE VERY LITTLE SPACE COMPARED TO OTHER GAMES

[Baka-akaB]

imo all of them are a bit . We simply dont know how much space devs would use for any genre , if given the choice and freedom to begin with .

I wouldnt expect the smallest dev to have budget and qualifications to fill every discs , but for many devs it would be a huge boon .

[Corrwin]

In my opinion there's no reason why Sports and Fighting games shouldn't be the same size as other games.

Because of the limited area (rinks, rings, pitches, arenas etc), they should be able to use far more assets in making it all looks good.

The problem is that for the majority (anything with a Year in the title), they tend to do just enough to make you buy next years title.

[The Wood]

some stadia was left out of 2008's pro evo because of a lack of space. Its old new now....dvd<9 is so last gen and will hold SOME devs back not ALL just SOME and its becoming more apparent to ALL

EDIT

@Pope_John_Paul_II

yeah, thats the one......lets sweep that under the carpet.....

[saint_john_paul_ii]

i believe that was MLB 2k8.

because of that 2k had to tone down the amount of content for that franchise.

[123360]

sad part there still selling arcades here in the uk,no chance of loading to the hard drive for them consumers.there no refunds or exchanges on disc at retail unless there faulty then it is a like for like swap at that

[Denethor_II]

Yeah at £80 brand new

[tatotiburon]

again this crap...ME2 the highest rating game of this year didn't complain about the dvd space, bioware made it simple, two discs and the result?? an absolute master piece...so what is the big deal?

[Baka-akaB]

again taking the wrong end of the argument as usually expected from fanboys .

There is no denying the sheer genius of some games like ME2 on dvd . But there is hardly any sane arguments against the fact that , with more potential space , Bioware could have even pushed further to our bigger pleasure .

They probably wouldnt even use the full size of a Blu-ray or hd dvd yet , but having the choices only lead to more freedom and benefits in game designing

[kanetheking]

they need more space which the 360 has not got.if they add disc it cost them money.so they might be upset giveing there money away.

[Pennywise]

The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. Where denial occurs in mature minds, it is most often associated with death, dying and rape. More recent research has significantly expanded the scope and utility of the concept. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross used denial as the first of five stages in the psychology of a dying patient, and the idea has been extended to include the reactions of survivors to news of a death.

The death of DVD.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

JUSTIFY IT ONLY BECAUSE U HAVE TO... THE WHOLE DISC SWAP THING IS A ISSUE...HOW BIG IT IS AT BEST VERY MINIMAL...BUT DISC SWAPPING IS SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TOO SEE NEXT GEN

[Baka-akaB]

meh i dont care about swapping . Swapping isnt an issue . My concern and everyone's should be games content . There is hardly a problem with switching a disc once everywhile ... and it will eventually happens to any kind of disc media sooner or later .

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

MS knew this was coming but did not care because there was 2 disc ps2 games...It is just another way it was rushed to the market...not for the best of the xbox but for the best of MS....Which it paid nice short term dividends..(future) Tomorrow will be the killer for xbox( they could always do a new system) Which will happen with in the next two years

[The Wood]

+ denial

+ delusion

= fanboy logic

[GiantEnemyCrab]

This is not going to change. So lets sit here are run in circles chasing our tail about something THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

Gamers need to get this through their thick skulls that THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. PS3 fanboys are the ones flaming the fire on this and don't for a second deny it.

This site GOFANBOY who has NO SOURCES and can't even provide a quote.

ME2 is the best RPG I've played this gen. I'm not about to get into stupid hypotheticals that if it was on Blu-ray it would magically make it some fantastically huge game.

Infamous is a great example of a game that is on Blu-ray yet has a smaller city than GTA and less detailed. Time and money are even bigger factors. All the assets to fill that extra space take time and money and not all dev's have this luxury so no matter how much space you give them they are working with other constraints.

More space is always better for gaming so no arguments there but to assume you can't have a good game on DVD or that a game is less quality because it's on DVD is stupid.

[The Wood]

nobodies saying dvd cant hold great games. Many of the games ive enjoyed are on dvd<9 ME2 will be one of them but you know thats not the point here. suckerpunch are not as experienced as Rockstar when it comes to sandbox games. We've all seen what they can and have crammed into san andreas/vice city and we all know the dvd was maxed out on the 360 for gta4 so yeah it does seem like beating a dead horse but some still try and act like a format which holds less than last gens format doesn't hold some games back NOT all games back ESPECIALLY, but not exclusively, sandbox games. Ill only address those fools as far as im concerned. The rest of the 360 fans who can see the point being made need not worry its the one in denial that annoy me personally.

The point you make about ME2 is a fair one but what about games like FFXIII. Some devs visions ARE being stifled a little lack of space AND lack of hdds as standard

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"nobodies saying dvd cant hold great games. "

Ok, let's stop right there.

Are we not in a thread right now that is about a game none of us have played or even know the first thing about talking about how it's going to be gimped.

If your quote is true then how can we say this will be a bad game or even a held back game? By your own admission good games can be on DVD9..

I'm not denying that DVD9 has not been a bugger for dev's as of late but I'm having a hard time getting to the facts.

Like I said in my post. What is the source for this? I see a name but not an actual quote and from a site called GOFANBOY no less. Now watch from here on out this will be gospel unless R* come out and clarify.

We get our news mainly from sensational websites that love to put an edge on their articles for hits. For example, SE saying they cut enough from the game to make a whole one. This happens all the time in development and a lot gets left on the cutting room floor. However, it jumped to "they had to cut it due to DVD9". Square did hint that space can cause games to have things cut and listed other reasons but never did they specify it was DVD9 that was the big culprit of the cuts.

There is too many half-baked ideas about what effects DVD9 is or isn't having. It's being fueled by the fanboys and all these "journalists" seem to be sitting on their collective arses writing flamebait hit pieces instead of doing a fact finding expose to get to the bottom of the effects of DVD9.

[PirateThom]

ME2 is also not an open world game, it's a corridor shooter with a fancy menu screen. Hell, it's less "open world" than the first game to begin with and that was on one DVD.

The fact it's on two discs isn't a good thing, it just shows how limited the medium is getting when they had to reduce the exploration and basically make it s a TPS with RPG elements. I'd hazard a lot of the space is used by speech and alternative choices rather than the game its self.

[The Wood]

do you expect devs to actually tell us a format is holding a game back...That'll potentially hurt their own sales. We have to read in between the lines and use common sense here. Theres less space on MS's dvd than last gen + hd gaming/visuals/worlds + lack of blackhole compression = some issues. Doesn't make games impossible to make...no but sandbox games ARE one of the genres that really benefit/suffer from media space. Again, nobody wants to hurt their sales but too many comments have been made by various devs for people NOT to take this space issue seriously. Its been a good run until now but as devs get more ambitious their games will undoubtedly grow. Multiple disk cant fix every game type. Anyway im gunna go and enjoy mass effect 2 on crappy dvd<9 now....im a defecter like you:)

[Hakimy]

I don't like how parent companies force their studios to do what the parent company want.Team Bondi at first wanted this game to be exclusive so that they want have the trouble of the dvd limitation but then I guess they were forced to make to the xbox360 as well.the same happened with ff13 team.I remember reading an interview with nomura or someone else that they were surprised by the announcement of ff13 going multi.it wasn't their decision to begin with but SE forced to figure a solution somehow.this will either make the game less than it should have been or will make Team Bondi leave the company later (especially if the game didn't do well because of this decision).its a problem that profits have become the main thing to think before anything else.parent companies think of profits,studios thinking of creating a great game.but with this direction it's like saying "what we all care is creating a game that sells! creativity,innovation,etc... can go to hell for all we care".I think in this case Team Bondi should create the game for ps3 and let someone else port it to the xbox360.it happened with ps3 in some certain games so why not doing the same with xbox360,right? ;)
I don't want to sound mean to xbox360 owners (cus some of them are my friends) but do ps3 owners have to suffer from this because microsoft decided to stick with dvd for this gen? ;)

[Hellsvacancy]

The 360's crappy old skool tech strikes AGAIN

[SimmoUK]

As long as they dont effect the PS3 version then I don't mind at all, what i'm not a fan of is them cutting content just because of the 360 that seems to be happening recently, not Playstation owners fault that Microsot have DVD we have Blu Ray so Blu Ray content thanks or make another game for them.

[BeaArthur]

I'll be honest, I am more of an Xbox guy than a PS3 guy but I am seriously starting to get annoyed with these multiplatform games that may be hindered because of the limitations of the 360. It seems that Microsoft was extremely short sided when they designed the 360.

[Convas]

Everytime I hear about these stories, that 250 GB PS3 Slim grows in it's attractiveness. I've already concluded that if MS hasn't either (1) Made HDD Installs mandatory, (2) Given us a new 360 model with some sort of new HD Storage medium (Blu-ray or otherwise), or (3) Announced the Xbox 720 with Blu-ray, then I'm switching over to the PS3 as my main gaming platform. This is frankly becoming quite ridiculous.

[kneon]

since neither Bluray nor HD-DVD were ready for their launch. They would have had to delay the launch and increase the price to the same as the PS3. That would have killed any chance of getting ahead of Sony.

The real mistake was the arcade. Had hard drives shipped with every Xbox then devs would at least have the option of HDD install. Then sandbox type games wouldn't have to create artificial boundaries or limit the scope of their game.

[BeaArthur]

kneon...well that is what I was referencing. I was talking about hard drive space. I am aware that Blu-Ray wasn't available when the 360 came out.

[The Wood]

kudos for just calling it how it is. +1

I can understand that MS's hands MAY have been tied but that doesn't excuse the fanboys saying a larger media isn't needed every time their feelings get hurt by the logical notion that HD gaming may actually benefit from a HD media JUST like the HD films we watch. The knuckledraggers feel that extra disks and blackhole compression is the fix for every game.....how DUMB

I say MS's hands MAY have been tied because they didn't mind jumping on the hddvd bandwagon just to thwart sony's format.. Theres less space on MS's dvd<9 than last gens formats for petes sake.....WAKE UP and smell the HD coffee

[Doc Sony]

And there in, Kneon, lies Microsofts biggest flaw.

They're not concerned about bringing the best possible experience to their consumers.

They're only concerned with 'beating Sony'.

They could have waited a year and it would still have been a tight race between the two.

Now they launched prematurely, and guess what...

Its a tight race.

[BeaArthur]

The Wood...very well put. I won't be bitter if they just make games like L.A. Noire PS3 exclusives because I own a PS3 but if I have to play an inferior product because they had to adjust it to work for the 360 then I'll be pissed. Hopefully the devs will take some pride and make the optimal game instead of chasing Microsoft's money.

[LostDjinn]

What an empty rant. What was the actual quote from Team Bondi? It's not mentioned here. Don't get me wrong.
This is a fine blog. It contains all the key elements deemed vital to maintaining a healthy flame war. Adding to the caliber of the peace is the "news.goggle.com" link to a goggle search showing this to be a blog. LOL! I'd have to give that a 10 for effort, a 2 for forethought and a 6 for humor.
Nice work

Stay classy Brandon.

[RadientFlux]

Let's see.

1. Website that I've heard of before and with a questionable name.
2. No proof and no information on how they received this information.

Unless this story is verified by a developer or another website. I'm going to treat it as fake.

[divideby0]

^rockstar went public with the problem of not doing games on BR last year..... so I am not surprised by reading this may happen

[The Wood]

that sandbox games dont benifit from a larger media or that you will only believe it when a developer states this AGAIN

[The Iron Sheik]

They will just gimp the game to fit. It's too bad this game looked like it could be something special.

[hazardman]

after always trying to defend Xbox 360..this is really getting ridiculous..developers should stick to PS3 if they know there is going to be limitations on Xbox cause of the DVD format or lead on Xbox 360 and be sure to port the game well for PS3..Look, before I get disagrees I'm just trying to figure out a way of how all gamers can enjoy these games.

[The Wood]

ur thinking about the gamer first. Some people really dont mind if the ps3 version is gimped for any reason. Good on ya +1

[OmarJA-N4G]

GimpBox3FixMe... DVDs?

[stonecold1]

more powerful than ps3 got to laughed at morons 360 finished i dont even consider the machine high def at all its in insult to the 1 true highe def console on the market which is its the ps3

[djmindz]

xbox 360 is obsolete it will end up like the sega 32x you can quote me on that

they have FF 13 and it looks like a ps2 game on the 360 and on 3 discs hahahaha what a joke

3 discs to play 1 ex ps3 exclusive game come now :]

i bet you need to SLI your xbox gpu to run games like uncharted 2 and god of war 3

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Thanks for your permission on the quote.

I am writing a book called "Idiot Gamers and The Dumb Quotes They Write".

Page 1 right here!

lol

[DigitalAnalog]

Then why do we have articles like these? Nobody cares if you can sit up-and-down to swap disks. You aren't DEVELOPING the game, you think these devs would've thought multi-disk would be a viable option it's amazing how you could defend an issue with such a passion.

Sure, the FFVII had multi-disk. BUT NOBODY would've expected any game to take that amount of space, henceforth a new format was standard on DVD (to cover up storage issues). Not wanting to repeat history, a Blu-Ray disk was created. BECAUSE THEY KNEW GAMES WILL GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.

Sooner or later, EVEN Blu-Ray may not have enough space. Hey, I don't mind bigger formatted disks as long as I get the games that RUN on them as it's supposed to... LIKE LA NOIRE or AGENT!

-End statement

[dustgavin]

"Sooner or later, EVEN Blu-Ray may not have enough space."

And where do you think that will leave 360 considering it is using obsolete DVD9?

[DigitalAnalog]

I really don't wanna know.

-Honestly.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"Then why do we have articles like these?"

Site = GOFANBOY

Article = No Sources and No quotes

[XabiTheHumble]

@GiantEnemyCrab seriously dude, how much is microsoft paying you for the damage control lol you say you want facts on how dvd is limiting gaming. well here are your facts dvd only contains up to 9 gigs of space, games are starting to get bigger than 9 gigs of space lol there ya go that simple lol seriously stop trying to look unbias i see right through you.

[ATi_Elite]

How many games have to be gimped by that P.O.S. called xbox360? The 360 is really hurting gaming this generation. To all 360 fanboys your system of choice sucks and is laughable. The 360 is like a shopping cart with bad wheels. Constantly nagging and bugging the hell out of every one else in the store. Not to mention the crashes.

The PC and PS3 have proven superior in every way this generation and are the only two choices for real hardcore gaming as the Wii is for grandama and kiddies and the 360 is for idiots and Halo.

I hope R* cancels the 360 version and concentrate on the PS3 version and make it as great as possible. LA Noior sounds like a great game and R* is known to push the envelope. Micro$uck and the gimp60 are holding back the evolution of gaming.

the 360 is a waste of time, effort, and money and this is just another perfect example.

[Erotic Sheep]

I can't believe you even got 11 agrees for that. The **** is wrong with this site? The open zone is that way --->

Now while I do agree the dvd limitation is getting annoying, your arguments are coming from a fanboy perspective and not a gamer one..

[SUPREME RULER]

there was a time when ms them self was saying blue ray was not needed. boy where they wrong, capcom had the same issue with lost planet 2 and now la noire. the 360 is really showing it's age it seem. it going to die real soon. using a old tech 11 years old dvd how sad. well 360 you had a long run. the future games will be much bigger and will require alot more you which the 360 dont have lol. 360 say hello to the dreamcast and 32x for me lol.

[frankymv]

GUARANTEED

[NateDPG]

Microsoft lied really bad to the public when they said "DVD is enough". The fanboys believed it, now they are eating their words and as big fanboys as they are they keep askin for more lol

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

it will never comeback as a ps3 exclusive because of the production price of the game.
Dont get your hope too high.

[dustgavin]

No one is getting their hopes up for an exclusive out of this. It is just sad to think a game may not reach full potential due to size restriction.

[Thoreau]

was the possibility that the system itself could hold back gaming advancements when they decided not to add hd-dvd as their format. now the fruits of false labor are nearly ripe

[Marty8370]

Ps3 game won't get held back.

[Nac]

What happens when MS releases a new system that uses Blu-Ray and that can stand up with current PC graphics? Lets be honest, you guys need the 360 around to feel superior.

[awesomeperson]

That day will come when Sony is already a generation and a half ahead in terms of storage and graphics.

[sashimi]

Ahh people are always going development cost is so expensive, must sell X millions of copies yet DVD does not help with development cost.IT only makes it that much more expensive with a multidisc game.Well atleast one console maker is making a profit off games that wouldn't fit on a 7GB DVD!

[xg-ei8ht]

Gabe was apparently heard talking in his sleep.

His words were.

3 zz 60 zzzZZz Nezds a Do zOver / 10 print "do over"

do over
do over
do over
do over

etc@:)

[rawd]

Bahahaha GIMP OUT

[xaviertooth]

greenberg look like an idiot.

he.. he.. he..

[guerojose]

...make my day, Rockstar.

Go ahead and gimp this game to make it fit on 6 DVDs. Strip out assets, compress the crap out of everything, lower the resolution. Change the whole premise - hey, maybe 6 mini-open-worlds.

And at the end, you won't HAVE a multi-platform game, because PS3 owners are gonna speak up loudly with their wallets, if another game is gimped because of the weaker system.

[Biggest]

I already made up my mind. I saw a few screenshots in Game Informer. It was a very detailed face attached to a cardboard cut-out body, holding a gun with a hexagonal barrel. Game looks very not new. Too bad it won't get the God of War 3 treatment.

[dkgshiz]

Just like FF13. Which is sad because it also effects the PS3 version.

[Persistantthug]

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[i_am_interested]

its not going to be exclusive because take-2 obviously wants those sales

hope for multiple discs on that other console otherwise we can all just assume that aspects that mcnamera wanted in were cut because of said console

[bjornbear]

360 has enough games they don't need this

[ManiacMansion]

FF13 got gimped on the PS3??

You sound some kind of retarded..

The PS3 version is FAR the superior one compared to the 360 version.. so how could a game which looks FAR better got gimped??

You sound really like an retarded droid kid who is 14 years old.

Stupid kiddies.

[asdf12]

Christ, you're retarded, he wan't bashing the PS3 version, he said that the 360 version caused the PS3 version to loose some of it's quality, so it'd be equally long.

Check to stop if you don't have Downs syndrome before you say others do.

[harborne2010]

Some people on here my me laugh just because most if not all multiplaform games look better on the 360, even though its on dvd, why always blaming ms for developers that cant be arsed to fill ur blu-ray, blame sony they need to get there hands out of there pockets! we all know both machines are better here and there, the only advantage is the blu-ray, cant wait for the next gens both should be blu-ray and we can all then see for our selfs. As for ms holding back the ps3 "potential" load of BULL.

[spinbot_lv1]

dvd is a real problem for developers and real high def next gen games.expecially with a sandbox game like L.A. noir swapping discs is pratically impossible. first rage,then FFXIII and now L.A noir. another gimped game on the way.

[The_Nameless_One]

I can just see it.

They'll have to cut content that was initially a part of the game and will make it into DLC.

[Raoh]

how did this get a approved?

the source is google search for go fanboy

i think its time to do what i used to do before i discovered n4g.. bookmark my reliable news sites and only go there..

this is a joke

[chidori666]

360 ruined the market of video games.. :/

[ManiacMansion]

According to John C. the alpha build of RAGE ran in 60 FPS on the 360(PC too) while the PS3 version ran at 20-30 FPS.

You can find the news here on n4g.

I am also a 250 GB SLIm owner but you droids are the most retarded ppl on the world, really.

"he Xbox 360 and PC versions of id's Rage sport higher framerates than the PlayStation 3 version, the latest issue of Edge magazine reveals.

In a ten-page reveal in its latest issue, Edge writes that the Xbox 360 version of Rage - which uses id's new Tech 5 engine - matches the 60fps framerate of the PC version, while PS3 runs at just "20-30fps"."

http://www.computerandvideo...

Poor droids.

[CernaML]

Disc size + amount of content != game's performance, you dummy.

[rawd]

Call me when I give a sh1t about what Carmack says. It's 2010, do something new FFS

[RedDragan]

You realise ID had barely started optimizing the PS3 version right?

A journo asks a question, he answers that question. Edge creates a scenario about it to sell copies. What you think is happening with this report?!

[Finalfantasykid]

-QUOTE------------------------ ------------------------------- ----------------
According to John C. the alpha build of RAGE ran in 60 FPS on the 360(PC too) while the PS3 version ran at 20-30 FPS.
----------------------------- ------------------------------- -----------------

Keyword in there is alpha. I seem to remember in a follow up interview that he said that they were confident that they would be able to get the game running at 60fps by the time of release.

[ManiacMansion]

Also, as for FF13 PS3 version.. the game looks beatuful on my 37' Philips TV.

I still ask, why the droids think, that the PS3 version got gimped because of the 360 since the PS3 version is the one in HD resolution while the 360 version is in sub-HD. Retarded=

Also, the 360 version runs in Sub-HD with 30 FPS while the PS3s framertae drops to 20FPS.

So WHAT THE FUK has the 360 to do with the PS3s 20 FPS??

[Mr Remz]

it got gimped in the form of content genius..........exclusion of towns and shops and overall free world environment was eliminated in order to accommodate western audiences on the xbox, if it was PS3 only the game would of been much more different i guarantee you that buddy!!!

[JJFNIGHTS80]

I'd be DAMN PISS. if M$ takes away AGENT.

[NYC_Gamer]

Wow....so this game will have to be cut down all because of the 360

[ForROME]

Doesnt matter next gen this will be old news, HDs will be so large prob ship with 1TB standard that formats will be irrelevant.

We can battle now in 2-3 yrs this will be old news no one will care that Xbox had dvd.

I think devs need to force MS hand and say we are going to release games now that REQ they have a HD and have to install the 2nd disc to play the game.

That way MS can stop selling gimped arcades and step it up

[Biggest]

Hell, let's wait for the next-next-gen! We will have the games implanted into our brain. We can hold hands and close ours eyes for multiplayer.

[ironmonkey]

LOL poor old 360 just cant keep up with the future

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I love how the auther tries to make is sound like Rockstar is putting a high level person in place at the dev. to keep the team calm.

It is standard practice for publishers to have an exec on site as part of a team on the bigger titles. Sony does it, Microsoft does it on all their exclusives and so why is is odd that Rockstar would have one of their guys on site?

Just another article to drum up hits and get fanboys barking back and forth.

And before you say it. Yes, the 360 has limitations of DVD but that isn't going to change for the 360. The 360 is too long into its life cycle to change media formats. MS will need to launch a new console, probably announce it by 2012 and it will be fully compatible with the Natal peice so as not to create issues there.

[mcnablejr]

18 droids
about 3 bots

in this article.

[RedDragan]

yup, the bots don't show when the industry exposes the 360's weaknesses.

[ironmonkey]

cant keep up lol

[dkgshiz]

You are quite retarded. Clearly you dont know what I'm talking about.

[360fanboi]

I think it mighe be down syndrome

[Obama]

May be it will have 1 town after all.

[sajj316]

You guys sound surprised about these concerns! This point was made lound and clear on day one. Storage is a factor when it comes to HD gaming. If you want to compress everything and try to make it fit, go ahead ... but you compromise! 720/1080p gaming is nice ... but who wants low resolution textures???

[jay2]

Fantastic news scrap it on 360!

[Kakihara]

Just give me this damn game already. 40's La, noir, add uncensored Japanese porn and you've got all my interests down.

[taga7a]

At the first (back in 2007 or so) it sounded like L.A. Noire was coming for the PS3 only when I watched the trailer and of how BIG the game could possibly become by prediction. That's one of the reasons why I bought a ps3 was for the exclusives coming up in these next couple of years and me supporting Sony to the fullest ever since I got my first walkman in the mid 90's!

I can't believe my eyes when they announced a couple of weeks ago that this game was coming out for the 360. I absolutely hope this game won't become gimped like GTA IV. Please Rockstar do something!

[thehitman]

this game has always been slated as mutli, just so little info about it over long time ppl assumed it be exclusive to ps3. This news however, will be huge if they decide to scrap the 360 version it will really shoot an echo through the industry if the 360 version gets scrapped and the game does very well. Pretty sure it would cause a nice ripple effect where more big game titles that need more resources will become exclusive to ps3 and if something like this does happened Sony should jump on it and start giving companies incentives like help w/ development costs etc.

[Enjoi915111]

ugghh heres n4ps3g....

loser fest yay!!!!!

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Another issue with DVD's.

[Figboy]

i can see a big change in focus from developers.

that is to say, the return of some 3rd party exclusives.

the last thing you want to do is piss of a developer by limiting his creative options.

do you not think that developers look at games like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3, and think, "man, we could TOTALLY do a game like that, but we have to go for 'console PARITY,' so we have to make sure we can fit EVERYTHING on one DVD, or design the game work across multiple discs."

having worked with developers, i know that they are guys and gals that just want to make a great game in the end, and they like to have as many options for making that happen as possible.

splitting a sandbox game across multiple discs is SUICIDE.

imagine if, in Assassin's Creed 2, each region was a new disc. that would have KILLED that game. as many times as i've jumped back and forth between the locales in that game, i would have been infuriated if i had to switch discs each time.

there is a reason why developers go to extreme lengths to make sure a sandbox title fits on one disc.

let's look at GTAIV for a GREAT example.

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was on a dual layer DVD. let me elaborate: a dual layer 9 GIG DVD.

that game had three large locations, tons of mini-games, character "customization," and all sorts of fun extras.

Grand Theft Auto IV was on a dual layer DVD, but due to the 360's protocols, was limited to 6.8 gigs of space. that's 2.2 gigs LESS than Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

GTAIV had one city, three or four mini-games that were as basic and boring as a flash game, no customization for Nico outside of clothes, and barely any extras.

it is NO coincidence that GTA fans say that GTAIV was the worst in the series. i actually LIKED GTAIV, but it is indeed, the worst in the franchise (not including the PS1 titles, which were great for their time, if not brutally hard).

i have no doubt in my mind that if GTAIV was either PS3 exclusive, or had a mandatory install for the Xbox 360 version (yup, it would require players to have an HDD), it could have been much more than it was. but because it had to be, not only EXACTLY the same on both platforms, but also had to fit on a single DVD, it was compromised, and paired down.

this is not good for gaming.

i have no doubts that the Xbox 360 would be able to produce better games had Microsoft had not been so short-sighted/thinking with their wallets about the design of the Xbox 360.

Alan Wake looks as good as it does, because they made it a more linear experience. it was originally open world, and i find it REALLY hard to believe that a developer as talented as Remedy couldn't make a "survival horror" game work in a sandbox environment.

too keep Alan Wake competitive after being in development for 5 years, they cut out the open world, and are employing all sorts of visual tricks (darkness, fog, etc) to clear resources for fancy graphics. the results are looking FANTASTIC, however, but we'll never know if Remedy could have done that open world survival horror game justice, so now we get just another survival horror game in the same vein as Silent Hill (not that that's a bad thing, looking at how craptacular Silent Hill: Homecoming was).

personally, i think Team Bondi have bit off more than they can chew with LA Noire PERIOD, but these issues with the 360 aren't helping matters.

[rezzah]

the issues of compression...GTA4 was held back because the 360 didnt have more memory.

[awesomeperson]

Just think of what GTA IV could have being if it was still exclusive to PS3 :(

[SSCOOLCHEA]

The xbot350 has destroy all multiplatform gaming this generation . Why don't they just g.t.f.o. and concentrate on MS office.....There slowing everyone down by making half azz game for half azz retarded people .

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Im not missing out on anything... it's just a damn shame that there are biased gamers that miss out on PLENTY of solid gaming expierences just cause they refuse to touch a rival console... it's sad really!

[Tigan]

bring it only to the ps3 if it's going to get downgraded because of the 360's limitations but unfortunately most devs don't think like fanboys but more like business men. Last gen when the playstation owned 60 percent of the market this wouldn't have been an issue but as the story goes...

[Primetimebt]

I sure they can fix the entire city on all discs they plan to release for it but break up the mission on the discs. They can also deliever it like alot of other 360 game in sub HD. I understand 360 fanboys don't like to move forward and it's really hurting games this generation and when the new generation of consoles come out alot of developers will be behind the 8 ball when it comes some developers.

[mcnablejr]

and no quotes or facts?
only a statement that some content had to be cut from lost planet?
as far as i know lots of ps3 games without being compressed only just surpass 10 gig.

[mrmikew2018]

where is the source?

[bunfighterii]

The decided they wanted to go multiplat so their fault. Sony owned/affiliated studios are the only ones that really push the envelope with console gaming anyway.