Ex-Bungie Dev, Christian Allen, Confirms Killzone 2 Can Be Done On Xbox360

After working on the 360 hardware can killzone 2 be done on that platform?
Oh yeah, click the article to read more about Christian Allen

[TrevorPhillips]

Its not possible to run killzone 2 on the 360 i mean think about it if tekken 6 cant run on the 360 what makes you think Killzone 2 can

[s8anicslayer]

If tekken 6 couldn't run on 360 then it wouldn't be in development for it! And knowing is half the battle!

[socomnick]

yea you know this cause your a dev right, oooo thats right your not , your some idiot who blogs for a crappy site yea the hip hop gamer site.

[PoSTedUP]

graphically? yea, technically? NO. not enough processor power. yall are stuck playing simplistic games until the X720 : /

[UnSelf]

christain allen speaks in a way sayin that "sure it can be done on x360, itll just look like a x360 version"

its almost like sayin "is Metal Gear Solid 4 possible on LBP?"

u can say "yea it is, itll just look like MGS 4 on LBP"

[C_SoL]

Until shown visually, is when they prove me wrong.

Specs of the 360 don't prove nothing either.

[Tony P]

You can run KZ2 on the Wii if you want, but there are always compromises. Can KZ2 run on the 360 w/o any compromises? I'm doubtful. The comment alone shouldn't be taken as proof.

[Peekay]

just cos he wants KZ2 on the 360 doesn't mean it'll happen...The guy is obviously a 360 fan boy.."But since then I’ve fallen in love with the Xbox and 360 platform, it’s how I roll now. Except for RTS games, I pretty much play 360 exclusively"

nothing wrong with this btw - just like Kojima is a fanboy for the PS3.

oh and to all self riotous pricks - just because he owns ONLY one console does this mean he is not a TRUE gamer!?? hahahaha

[Trollimite]

killzone 2 will never be on the 360 so why does it matter?

[sunnygrg]

Bungie is saying that GG (not Bungie themselves) can create the game on the 360 if they wanted to. Strange, and I thought the 360 maxed out with GeoW.

He further says "The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360 aren’t all that much." Is that an official admittance from Bungie that PS3 is superior to the 360?

[ITA_Mafia_Boy]

.. just do it so you can prove yourself right ! Simple as that !

[INehalemEXI]

a gimped version maybe.

[Wizeguy21]

How can Bungie say this, They have no idea of the code GG has made.
And two... IF this is so, then their best example of this is halo 3 and there is a big difference there compared to killzone 2.
And lastly!! HHG WTF how can you construct an article like this... just to flame!

[Shepherd 214]

im pretty sure 360 gamers are stuck playing awesome games. They are technically advanced enough for me and millions more to be more than satisfied with the games for 360.

And this article is hilarious, you know, the one where every forum user here is a developer and they know more than the professional developers who are being interviewed of course

[Marceles]

In other news,

"Capcom Dev Confirms Crysis Can Be Done on the Wii"

[Aclay]

I don't think Killzone 2 could be done on the 360 without some major compromises first.

Even Guerrilla themselves said that without anything less than 25 Gigs (Blu-ray) it wouldn't have been possible... and that would mean that a 360 version would have to be done on multiple discs, plus many other changes.

Up until now, Gears of War has pretty much been the 360's best in terms of visuals (and probably technical aspects as well), so until I see something on the 360 that matches KZ2's graphical fidelity and technicalities, I don't believe that KZ2 can be pulled off on the 360 identical to the PS3 version.

The Xbox 360 has been out longer, but just a little over 2 years after the PS3 first came out, KZ2 is the best looking console game to date...sometimes it makes me think if something very close to KZ2 could be done on the 360, it would have already been done if it was even remotely possible because the 360 has been out for a whole year longer and devs. have had more time with it.

[TheRealSpy]

my god i hate HHGS.

there is a whole interview here and yet look at the title. all this wannabe gangster does is post articles with the intention of getting ppl fired up over nothing. it's a website run by children.

seriously...Christian Allen is a really enthusiastic, positive guy and he conducted a gamer oriented interview. one small section of the interview is this comment and that's all we're supposed to focus on??

killzone 2 is a sony game, even if it can be done on 360 (and most of us on here aren't programmers or engineers so we don't know more than the devs do so stop pretending to be experts), it will never happen. so it's a moot point. also, this guy admitted that he doesn't often work with ps3 hardware, and he never makes the claim that one system is better than the other. he is just saying he thinks, from a technical stand point, the visual quality of killzone can be achieved on 360. he might be right, he could be wrong, but it is not the point of the interview, despite what hhg wants us to believe. And this guy doesn't strike me as a fanboy. he doesn't say he dislikes ps3. in fact he says he's looking forward to seeing what games they have coming out.

which brings me to an important question, why haven't we boycotted this idiot website yet? it has no journalistic qualities, it's more like a video game tabloid.

EDIT: i just noticed there's a video at the bottom. did you guys watch it? He puts the guys from GG and Christian completely on the spot as if he's trying to start a rumble in the parking lot. I'd be embarrassed for this guy if i didn't dislike him so much. absolutely 0 professionalism. and get a damn mic when you're interviewing ppl! ...using the camera's built in mic when interviewing the guy in a public location. what a noob.

[jams_shop]

Heck! The Wii is not even able to run/play a direct fee capture video(720p) of Killzone 2. j/k

[Kassanova07]

Killzone 2 engine can be optimized on the PSP for facks sake. Nothing however, can touch the PS3 version on console.

Edit: Disagree all you want. Would you rather have noodles with ketchup or spaghetti with pancetta and pork infused garlic sauce topped with basil?

[onijutsu]

i would believe that killzone 2 could run on the xbox, especially considering that killzone 2 runs straight off the disc and not off the hardrive, which is namcos problem with tekken.

the problem with tekken, is that they are trying to make it a highly responsive game, so for the ps3 the ONLY advantage(in the perspective of tekken 6, not some crysis beater) that it has over the 360 is the hardrive.

For a fighting game its all about speed and a dvd9 is just not comparable to a hdd. Namco built tekken 6 with the hardrive in mind and now they are having trouble putting the effects that are reliant on the hardrive being there onto the xbox360 version, so you cannot use the arguement that the xobx360 cannot handle tekken interms of processing power, it can easily handle it, its just difficult to do so without mandatory hardrives to capitalise on.

I think the decision for microsoft to make a budget minded model that does not include a mandatory hardrive was a bad decision, sure it probably got them more sales, but at the cost of longevity of its console and consumer satisfaction, imagine little jimmy 8 years old wants to really download something but he cannot justify the purchase of a hardrive to his parents this leaves little jimmy disgruntled and unhappy, does microsoft want to make its customers happy or do they just want to cash in?

Also they are potentially missing out on sales from downloadable content due to owners who do not have a hardrive, but then again owners who bought a core system probably wouldn't find the 50$ for xbox live justifiable(or maybe they are all just uninformed customers who saw it as a bargain price for the xbox360)

Btw if my facts about xboxlive are incorrect please forgive me as i do not pay that much attention to a console that i do not own...

Edit:
i was looking at the killzone 2 vs Gears of war side by side screen shots, the only differnce that i can see is the lighting, that really is the only better thing about killzone 2, i still believe that killzone 2 can be done on the xbox360, the texture resolutions look about the same so i don't think the xbox not having a bluray is a problem.

I mean killzone 2, naturally is going to be totally eclipsed graphically anyway its just how it works, so will gears of war 2 and everyother game, thats just the way it is.

Really you think gears of war 2, killzone 2, uncharted 2 or whatever looks good. You aint seen nothing yet...

But the advantage that the ps3 has in the future is really only through bluray, and the mandatory hardrive. Look at id's new game Rage; a game that has to be slightly compressed for the xbox360 version even though its still multi disc, it doesn't really affect the game, but in the future it could, especially for sandbox games where multidisc applications are just not feasable.

Hear me out, imagine what a new gta game could do with a 50gb disc(not saying that 'GTA IS TEH MOST EPIC GAME IN TEH WORLDZ', just that its a very large and detailed game), and it didn't have to worry about putting the same game on any other medium, think about that...

[fanboi hater]

If I'm not mistaken I believe that this was the interview in his show where the dev stated that he had not played Killzone 2 as he did not own a playstation 3 when asked if he thought Halo 3 or KZ2 was better. I also believe that KZ2 could not run on 360 in its exact state based on what I have played on 360.

[Esena]

Was this an April fools joke?

[LastDance]

yea ..coz we all know how good halo looked.....

[SUP3R]

A lot of you people are pathetic and take this crap way to seriously.
Pick up a controller and stfu!

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

I like your use of the word "confirms", as if it's actually true. Of course they're going to "confirm" that Killzone 2 is possible on 360, they're basically owned by Microsoft and will never develop a game on any rival system. Talk is cheap, Bungie. All of your games look horrible. Halo 3 wasn't even HD for god sakes.

[DelbertGrady]

We won't know until Guerilla try to develop it for the 360. It's funny, fanboys say that the hardware is responsible for the graphics in games, while developers say that it comes down to the skill and resources of the development team.

[RememberThe357]

I'm sure it's "possible" to play Killzone 2 on the 360, but you'd need multiple disks, and they probably have to seriously rework it.

[Bnet343]

Wednesday 1 April 2009 11:02 pm

The article was posted in time kids ... too bad over half of you went nuts.

[Sarcasm]

The day the 360 runs something like Killzone 2, is the day Hip Hop Gamer will stop using flamebait titles.

For some reason, I think the 360 will run something like Killzone 2 BEFORE HHG stops using flamebait titles lol

[odisho68]

like bungie has made anything as close (graphically) as killzone 2...give me a break

even if they could run the game it would be a totally watered down version...the killzone 2 engine was made by guerilla specifically for the PS3, the 360 just doesn't have the ability to run the game at a level the ps3 can

(the blu-ray advantage)

[irishxdrunk]

April fools

:D

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Bungie is giving you Xbots false hope.

All you bots can do is dream for good graphics, while the PS3 gamers get to experience it in reality.

Th 360 can't even render the guns in K2. That's sad.

[Eddie20101]

No offence to Bunge but they haven't done anything close graphics wise, I mean Halo 3 just barely looks next gen and doesn't even come close to the best we have seen on the Xbox 360 let alone the best looking games on the PS3. Maybe there not the ones to be asking the question to begin with.

[Shadow Flare]

THEN WHY DOES HALO 3 LOOK SO CRAP?!?

[Ryudo]

Bungie can talk quite simply because they have been making games better then KillZone 2 for years now. Anyone that thinks graphics is what makes a game is a complete and utter moron. And before you come back to that explain the Nintendo Wii's success to me.

Let me say this nice and clear Halo 3 is simply better then KillZone 2. Nintendo know all to well Gameplay means more then Graphics and Halo 3 has better Gameplay then Killzone 2.

@above idiot
If your so concerned with graphics go watch movies you r-tard real gamers play games for enjoyment. I own a PS3 I love the bloody thing Guess what my favourite game on the system is Diseaga 3. Which quite possible has the worst graphics of any standalone console game this generation.

[Shadow Flare]

Wow, you're calling me a retard yet your comment has nothing to do with the article. You think bungie make better games then guerilla. Your opinion. Whatever. Its not a fact, its just your opinion. No graphics aren't necessarily what makes a game good. What my point was is that i think bungie are wrong. I don't think killzone 2 can be done on 360 because:

A) How could they know? They didn't develop killzone 2 and have never worked with the ps3

B) If killzone 2 is easily possible on 360, then why doesn't 360's biggest game, halo 3 look half as good as killzone 2?

C) Why does NO game on 360 come close to killzone 2 technically and graphically? Especially since 360 has been out 1 year longer and is easier to develop for?

It's not just graphics, its physics and lighting and 360 has nothing on the level of killzone 2. Ps3 was designed to calculate vast amounts of calculations, it is more powerful then 360. So if your gonna call me a retard, at least prove me wrong while your at it. Otherwise, put up or shut up

[SL1M DADDY]

When it comes to a Sony game that was said to not be possible on the 360? I'm sorry, but I find this a bit out of the water for me to even bite. Sounds like another desperate call on MS's part to discredit the PS3 and Sony. It's sad that MS can't just admit that KZ2 is an amazing game and leave it at that. Sour grapes is so unbecoming of corporations these days.

Also, if KZ2 can be done on the 360 then why is it that Halo 3 looked dated the day it was released? Why didn't they have up to 300 light sources on the screen at a single moment? Just asking...

I liked Halo 3 just as much as the next guy but devs from MS game franchises should not open their mouths about games on the PS3 and visa-versa.

[SuperM]

KZ2 in its current condition could never run on a 360 even if the code was restructured for 360 hardware. They would have to use a whole different technology and a totally different engine to make something like KZ2 on 360. And even then its not even sure if its possible or if they would simply have to compromise the quality.

[Gantrfaxx]

Ex-Bungie Dev talking about X360...

[prunchess]

This means that Halo 3 is possible on the PS2! (If Bungie make it?)

[Sharpshell]

-I love HHGS lol! they always make people so mad, they are like the tabloids of videogames lol!

-Bungie is a great company and not exactly MS puppets if you have stayed up on the nature of the relationship. So I doubt their motives hear to some how hurt the ps3

-What are you people talking about with Tekken 6?? IT is comming to 360 no prob right? Can someone clarify for me?

P.S. I beleive that the KZ engine is made pretty specifically for the ps3, but thats not to say it *couldn't* be done, but how exactly I'm not sure...

[Bad_Karma]

Hmm if this is true then why did`nt Bungie make Halo 3 look as good as Killzone 2 ?

[Re-versed]

U delivered with comment...This is the truth!!!
Bubbles f u...

[raztad]

Well Bungie work on Halo 3 graph is not that great. Come on, being the xbox360 a much easier console to work for why it comes Halo couldn't get better visuals. But then you have Crytek engine, IMO KZ2 looks way better that the city parts of the Crytek engine demo, while it keeps a solid framerate and an awful amount of things going on at the same time. But Crytek engine demo was very impressive nonetheless, and it is pretty clear that Cryengine3 >> UE3 so I expect better looking games than Gears on the xbox360. I dont know when but Im almost sure that those future better looking games wont come from Bungie. Question is will they be graphically as good as KZ2? Not sure about it.

[blackpanther25]

people need to stop this oh you don't know more than a professional.

Let me give you an example i felt something wrong with my body and because i major in biology i deduced that it was an pelvic hernia (a protruding organ in the body). I went to my personal doctor and he told me it was a cyst (fluid sac in the body). I went to get a sonogram and they also told me it was a cyst. I didn't believe them so i went to a urologist and he told me that it is a 100% pelvic hernia. At the end of the day i was right not the two "professionals" i went to see at first.

People make mistakes and they do not always know everything about their field. He maybe right or wrong just like the people commenting on his statement.

[All-3]

Yeeeeeeeesh...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

However.. since agentX is likey referring to THIS --> "It is a challenge to fit this game onto one DVD and to make sure the data is read at a fast rate," Katsuhiro Harada admitted. "It is essential to utilize the 360’s functions and strengths to the fullest in order to accomplish the same goal. I believe that the data and experience gained during development may affect development of the next iteration of the console." ---> WHERE does it say ANYWHERE in those comments - that Tekken 6 --> CAN'T RUN <-- on the Xbox 360?

Please show me and everyone --> WHERE <-- it says that.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Of course I'm going to take all your Sony fanboys statement over a developer whom was part of the team that made Halo 3!!! /sarcasm

Xbox 360 got Gears 2, which looks amazing on just Unreal's multi-platform engine. Imagine what 3-4 years of building and tweaking a new game engine would do for a 360. Why shouldn't it be possible on the 360?

It is amazing how all sorts of clue-less people come from the woodwork making stupid comments.

[All-3]

http://www.gametrailers.com...

Yeah - right... Mmmm K!

[kewlkat007]

We will never know...we all can only make assumptions.

Unless somebody would go "multiplatform"(GG) and don't resort to 1st-party/2nd-party PR, about the abilities of the console they develop for and the Hand that feeds them.

[pain777pas]

The Cryengine runs better on the PS3 for a reason. Processing power is superior on the PS3 to the 360. They could look the same but not run well and the 360 is tapping out. Gears should run without a hitch and certainly does not and I'm talking the first let alone the second. No problems with Killzone running on the PS3.

[Aquanox]

Tekken 6 was originally developed for an Arcade machine with a very similar architecture to that on the Playstation 3. In theory, the PS3 should have the upper hand here. However, there's a very recent example that knocks this assumption out: Street Fighter IV. Developed under the exact same circumstances (Arcade first, with deep PS3 similatiries) and then ported to consoles. In the end, the Xbox 360 resulted being slightly better looking being the most obvious the presence of Antialiasing (which the PS3 version lacked)

So, if NAMCO proves being as talented developer as CAPCOM, then similar results should be seen.

[The Lazy One]

Where did anyone say the engine as a whole ran better on the PS3? It most definitely runs best on a PC, and the developers said each platform performs better in certain areas:

"The CE3 runs currently at more or less the same quality bar. I say more or less because the engine still optimizes itself to power of the platforms' intrinsics. So the PS3 will run slightly better here, it'll look and feel probably the same, but the engine is diverting computation needs to power subsystems available to the PS3, and the 360 differently, and PC differently."

[jBat17]

so developers are just learning how to use it.. at this point, it may take 2 to 3 years before we can see a game using this engine.. the thing is the 360 will be discontinued by then..

of course, the next xbox can top killzone 2 graphcis easily.. but right now until 2010, xbox fans are stuck playing inferior graphics a their console..

and oh yeah, there are no games for the xbox until the next-gen.. xbox 360 = the wrong choice

[All-3]

Surprise!

http://n4g.com/News-304616....

[Trollimite]

i dont see how your avatar is legal. lol

[N4Sony]

he's jealous and still holds Master Chief close to his heart.

That said, I just traded in Killzone 2 but still own Halo 3. While Killzone 2 probably cannot be done on 360, Halo 3 is the better game by far!

[FlameBaitGod]

This is coming from the ex employee of the company who did Halo 3 on a res of 640p ? and it doesn't even come close to the same graphics as Gears ?

[I_am_rushin]

Two words. DISC SPACE.

I remember reading each level in Killzone 2 takes up about 2gb of space.

[IcarusOne]

But it's fun to watch the PS3 cult whip itself up over this.

[rayjelic]

As you can see it say Ex Bungie developer.

He just needs a job.

LOL.

[CaseyRyback_CPO]

Well if you cant play amazing games, at least you can pretend you might be able to in a few years.

Funny how absolutely no developer/media praises the Unreal Engine's Gears2 as any sort of graphical juggernaut for the 360. Which leaves only the fanbase pretending its as capable as Uncharted/KZ2. No developer mentions any games as examples of how the 360 can keep up with the ps3 just talk talk talk.

[Shepherd 214]

"OMG
Killzone 2 engine can be optimized on the PSP for facks sake. Nothing however, can touch the PS3 version on console.

Edit: Disagree all you want. Would you rather have noodles with ketchup or spaghetti with pancetta and pork infused garlic sauce topped with basil?"

^^^^Im pretty sure id rather not be a fat guy, thanks anyways.

[popup]

It does not matter. Anyone can play Killzone 2 (if they have a PS3) and anyone can play Halo 3 (if they have a 360).

Could someone make an Xbox 360 into a coffee maker? Yep.

[Flewid638]

Clealy you didn't get the memo. Tekken 6 was announced for 360 a WHILE ago.

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

now why is it that we dont see "halo can run on ps3" articles?

oh yeah, NOONE CARES ABOUT MS EXCLUSIVES....meaning: ps3 is where the next gen games are at

[NIGHT_HAWK3210]

MAYBE if KZ WAS ON XBOX THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN A FEW THOUSAND ONLINE AT ONCE.

PSN IS A JOKE. I CANT EVEN PLAY RANKED MATCHES IN RESISTANCE 2 ANYMORE CAUSE THERES NO ONE ON.

[fusionboxer]

But then again it wouldn't be the same game. Ted Price was quoted saying that Resistance 1 could have easily been done on the ps2, but it would have been a totally different game.

Nothing to really discuss here so why bother. Yes killzone2 could have been done on the 360, but no it wouldn't be the killzone 2 we all know and love (or hate).

[Immortal Kaim]

What a bunch of whining morons, HHG is playing you all for a fool. I regret commenting in this pathetic 'article' but it had to be said.

We could put a stop to this ridiculous 'journalism' (I use the term very loosely), if we didn't click on the link and comment in the article... but no... you would rather have a "my e-penis is bigger than yours contest" for him to generate hits.

Don't complain anymore about his articles, cause you only have yourself to blame.

P.S I'm not commenting in anymore of these sh*tty articles.

P.P.S HHG broke the rules Mods, how bout you look into it. He used a headline on N4G that wasn't officially his headline in the article, then changed it when he had generated enough heat. Pathetic.

[phosphor112]

FAIL

[MNicholas]

on a Wii. Obviously there'll be some downgrades due to the 360's tiny 10MB EDRAM framebuffer (Killzone 2 uses a massive 40MB framebuffer), weak CPU, poor CPU bandwidth, among other issues that will require a near complete rewrite of the engine.

Like GT5: Prologue, Killzone 2 is, quite simply, performing at a vastly higher level of performance than any 360 game.

[Trollimite]

nice avatar

[jav0918]

said any of this...read the damn title it clearly says EX-BUNGIE.....stupid trolls...

[SinnedNogara]

When Christian compared OnLive to Xbox Live Marketplace, he said Xbox Live was better! WTF!!! Unlike Xbox Live, OnLive can run AAA titles much less expensively!! Definently a stubborn 360 fanboy.

Since Killzone is owned by Sony, lets say that the KZ2 engine found it's way on 360. It would look OK, but compared to the PS3, it wouldn't look close!!!

LOL!!

[Matpan]

I think I´ll stick to the opinion of a professional game developer over that of an angry mob of fanboys...

You all sure know better, you rocket scientists :)

[Trollimite]

it would have been done!

[DNAgent]

Though april fools is over here. You're a little late on the joke.

[Trollimite]

..... wait no i dont

[chaosatom]

I mean what would bungie know about Killzone 2 and their code for the ps3. right?

[Trollimite]

no i get it

[YonasJonas]

I didn't know this was HHG till it was already too late. I had already clicked on the article.

I'm the fool today.

[xXKingofStingXx]

same here, didn't pay attention to where the link was leading...if only i had payed attention...oh and if it can be done, how come we haven't seen it? I mean if it was that easy im sure Bungie would have done so for Halo 3.

[arsenal55]

i hate april fools.. lol

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I mean, we're talking about a dev. that has mismanaged their flagship game so badly that MS took it away from them!

Maybe Bungie should just go back to making Apple software, the medium they started on before they were aquired by MS.

[jammy_70]

come on people!

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

"Ex-Bungie Dev, Christian Allen, Confirms Killzone 2 Can't Be Done On Xbox360"

CAN'T not CAN!!! ;-D

[jBat17]

haha gaylo and its sub-HD graphics

why don't you prove mr gaylo.. hmmm which 360 game looks better than KZ2..star ocean? gears of lag? forza jaggies galore? gaylo warz rts on a console LOL?.. even gaylo's target renders are no match against kz2

[LoVeRSaMa]

"Ex-Bungie Dev"

and now we know why...

He was fired because he was a compulsive liar.

[snipermk0]

Shouldn't you be stealing a TV or something?

[HolyOrangeCows]

People need to read the dates...

[Kleptic]

yeah wait...a developer of a very average looking game, even by 2007 standards, that was sub HD with insanely poor quality character models...of which was supposed to be the flagship title for the xbox 360...claims that the most impressive console game ever accomplished on a technical level can easily be done on 'his' console?...

the glaring contradiction is all over the wall...if it can be done...then why do killzone 2 and halo 3 literally look a generation apart in terms of visuals?...and don't give me the 'well its 2009 now BS'...GG was said to be a 'crappy developer'...this was GG's first PS3 game...that was Bungie's first 360 game...both had massive budgets, and both were in development for a long time...there is no reason that halo 3 was so underwhelming compared to killzone 2, other than what it seems no one is ready to admit yet...

[frayer]

total pr mode

I'll believe it when I see it, not because of some vague statement.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

[infekt]

Agreed. Mouthing off without substance is ridiculous. Prove it by showing us something better than KZ2. Then claim all you want, we will not disagree with you. Otherwise, just stfu.

Believing something is true does not make it so.

[Bathyj]

And Crysis can be done on the SNES with Mode 7.

But its not going to be the same game is it.

Besides, Bungies games have gotten worse, not better, why should we listen to them?

[Bathyj]

Disagree all you like, even Xbots know its true. The first Halo was the best.

[Shepherd 214]

someones is getting a bit touchy about their disagrees arnt they?

I would think a person who makes games for a living knows more than a random guy on a biased forum website with a FMJ avatar. All three Halo games are fantastic, im sorry you fail to realize that. But you probably wouldnt know since you probably havent even played Halo 3 all that much, i know you havent played more than me, amigo. Ive played Halo for 8 years, i think i would know a little of what im talking about at least, and a hell of alot more than you. Bungie's Halo games have only become more balanced, refined, and overall better. Halo CE was good, but id rather not run around with super-scoped pistols that make most other weapons obsolete. You catchin my drift? Im sorry Halo is popular, but that doesnt mean the game is all hype and no game. Blame MS for the hype, not Bungie, who made a very well crafted trilogy of great FPS's.

[madmike]

but but the gun looks really really good but everything else looks like sh.t gears 2 beats it hands down

[Neo604]

now walk the walk bungy.

[MADPIRAHNA]

they tried and came up with HALO...

[fr0sty]

OK... Bungie couldn't even get a game that looked average at best for it's time (Halo 3) to even run at full 720p resolution on 360, yet they have the audacity to claim they can run the benchmark for all console graphics on the same system? okaaay...

[KingKionic]

completely different engine .

[YonasJonas]

I wouldn't take anything you read on HHG too seriously. fo realz son!

[fr0sty]

doesn't matter. their halo 3 engine had to take into account the limitations of the hardware it was designed to run on. if they could have made halo 3 look as good as killzone 2, they would have. but, they were not able to and still preserve the scale they were shooting for, so we got halo 3. halo 3 had the same big budget backing, same development schedule, so there is no reason why it couldn't have looked as good.

[KR3W619]

They said GG could make it happen,not bungie themselves

[Jazz4108]

Killzone2 is not the benchmark for all graphics on a console nor is halo3. Killzone2 was in development for twice as long as halo3 and came out years later so it better look better or it would be a flop technically. I agree with Killzone 2 being nice to look at but it does not hold the longevity of a game like halo3. Killzone2 has fallen off the charts both multiplier wise and sales, while Halo3 is still consistently in the top tier in both categories. The 360 is limited on its delivery of its games with dvd9 but to say the game could not be made and look as good with the same amount of development time and the same budget would not be a argument I would want to be in. I am a fanboy of both systems and a gamer at heart but to say something as unthought through as the comments I have seen and read on this site really show your true colors.

[Sharpshell]

That Bungie made Halo 3 look like that on purpose. IMO Halo 3 looks MUCH better on a regualr CRT SD Tv when using composite cable than games like Killzone do. Halo 3 only looks *bad* (bad being a heighly relative term) on HD TVs, which is perfect for people like my Gf's lil brother who love's halo and all my frat friends who also love halo and think 1080p refers to how much alchol is in their vat lol

I believe the term is: "if it aint broke... don't fix it"

[NegativeCreep427]

Oh Well Then!!!

If Bungie, Microsoft's version of Yoko Ono, says Killzone 2 can be done on the 360, then it MUST BE TRUE!!!

Why the hell would they B.S. something like that? They have supported Sony just as much as they've supported Microsoft.

Why would they Fudge something like this???

...BTW, you better be sensing the sarcasm because I'm laying it on Pretty Damn Thick!

[chidori666]

in 12 dvds........... XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[dericb11]

Sony and GG should let them pull Killzone 2 on the 360 with a One Disc Limit. Hell you know what pull no limit on it and laugh at how stupid this sounds and buy Hip Flop Lame ass out and sell his site to the child who runs VGchartz and watch him do a 0.2% better job.

[KingKionic]

you do know what engine halo3 ran on right?

[Enterprise-E]

Why does Bungie even care if it can or can't run on the 360? I though they were better than that. Bungie don't tarnish your name by getting into this lame stuff.

[Ldubbz]

Some really stupid things have been said in this post already. People here act as if the 360 is a slouch in the graphics department. Are you all on crack or something? Do you not have HDTV's?

I seriously dont know what is wrong with so many here. Halo 3 average looking? Just look at a screenshot or saved film. Killzone 2 is a great looking game, but better than Gears 2? Sorry but no. Have both, played both, and its simply not true. At least not to me.

But anyhow, lets see...can a game run on a similar system with a better GPU and more available memory? Funny, in the PC world it seems to work that way. And I swear that game systems are really just computers....

[Nikuma]

I think you need glasses.

[RememberThe357]

I'm not sure about the online, but I know that Killzone 2 just does more then Gears 2 does. Better textures, animations, particle effects, and lighting. Are you sure you played Killzone 2? Did you pay attention at all? Killzone 2 is on its own level graphically.

[Sarcasm]

"can a game run on a similar system with a better GPU and more available memory?"

Right, that system with a better GPU and "more available" memory (even though it's been proven the PS3 has the same except split into two and uses faster RAM) still has not pumped out anything close to Wipeout HD, GT5P, Killzone 2, and heck even Motorstorm Pacific Rift.

And there's this whole mess about the "PS3 is too difficult to program for" and "the 360 is easy to program for" yet STILL no results to match those games mentioned!?!?

Doesn't take a genius folks... it really doesn't... These things are slapped in peoples faces but we got guys like this who really just are either ignorant or blind, or both.

[REALgamer]

Ok RememberThe357, gonna have to disagree with some points there.

Killzone 2 did indeed have better lighting, particles and animations, but definitely NOT in the texture department. It's undeniable that textures in Gears 2 looked much better with much higher resolutions because that's the 360's strength, just like K2 had amazing physics and lighting because that's the PS3's strength.

Overall whichever game looks better is purely subjective - some people have different things that appeal to them. Eg: If someone loves natural environments or colour, they will not think Killzone 2 looks as good. Gears 2 and K2 are both beautiful games, one doesn't need to be touted as the greatest thing ever. Why not appreciate both?

[Ldubbz]

for your feedback folks, I do appreciate it.

Glasses I dont need; some people need to take off their fanboy glasses. Especially if you dont even own both (or all 3) systems.

I also own Wipeout HD, and its an awesome and great looking game, but you must be nuts to think its not possible on 360. Its made of clean textures and simple shapes for the most part, just executed very well. Motorstorm though? Are you crazy? A pretty good looking game sure, but not as good looking as Dirt or Pure.

I know some of you even go to sleep with your Helghast helmets on, and Im not here to say it isnt a good game, but the crap I hear in here is just stupid. Its a very good looking game, but its not 'better' than Gears 2. On the same level maybe, but not better. K2 is full of shiny effects, but beyond that, its not spectacular.

Textures are ok, and its not nearly as sharp as Gears. Also, in any particular level, it seems to stick to a very selective color palette, which is strange to me.

Also, the level design has nothing on Gears, and nor do the weapons. The whole game feels more like a series of skirmishes rather than anything that epic. And if your trying to tell me the exploding bolt rifle in K2 isnt a rip from the Torque Bow in Gears (but not nearly as cool), then you havent played both games.

[yz250]

"I know some of you even go to sleep with your Helghast helmets on"

funniest line
ever
on n4g
i mean it

have a bubble man. freakin great!

[7thNightvolley]

I do believe kz2 is very possible on xbox360 the only thing i would say that would be abit of an issue is space.. disc space thats it.. if ppl are willing to have 2 disc maybe one for multiplayer and 1 campaign u would see some magic the 360 would pull off... and one thing i notice that is very stupid on this site is the way fanboys just argue blindly without any thinking at allllllll they just tell themselves a a story so many times they trick themselves to believing it. "PS3 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 360".. then i would ask .. did u make the console? .. nooo.. ok, do u design the games? .. no.. so how the heck do u know anything of what goes on inside to even be a judge of who is stronger.

and let me make some facts clear, the dev on the 360 code on the pc to the 360 which just runs the freaking game none i mean none of 360 games are coded with the actually processors and GPUs in mind.. kz2 engine was created with the cell in mind and made to full utilize its capabilities.. now what if a first party dev deside to make a game engine for the 360 to fully coded as the 360 NOT ON A PC mind u like all games are being done now... do u know what kind of shyt they would crank out... now if u think about that and watch how MS are being so hush hush on their titles .. u would get what is going on and with MS PR congratulating KZ visuals but then saying the 360 has something better coming this year, that alone should get one thinking.. E3 cant come any sooner... this is a good year

[Godmars290]

Even if this is coming off HHG, if the 360 can play KZ2, then make a KZ2 clone. Otherwise shutup.

[lowcarb]

It's just funny reading the comments from Sony fanboys at the beginning of the year every year. Still to this point any rational person can clearly see that PS3 is in no way more powerful than 360. The only thing PS3 has that 360 doesnt is bluray which isn't enough because every multi plat always looks better on 360. You see multi plats are the only way to compare the two consoles like with xbox and PS2 where the box clearly outperformed ps2 being newer more powerful hardware. This is not the case with ps3 as it's clearly struggling to keep up and nobody says anything because we all know the rambling and whining will never stop. If you want to believe that the PS3 is more powerful than fine, but don't ever expect people that don't fall for the Sony hype to play follow the leader with you.

[zander1123]

When Hardware wise there isn't any serious difference between the two systems the blu ray disks themselves, being able to store 50GB of data of them, allow for games like Killzone to be as beautiful as it is. And the reason that Multiplatform games look better on the 360 vs the PS3 is that for the most part Mircosoft has demanded that the games that come out on both systems not have more data in them than one DVD9 which is 9.2GB MAX. So to compensate for that many game publishers make the 360 the leading platform in order to not go over the disk limit and miss out on potential sales. This is why many companies like R* are thinking of only making their next game for the PS3 because they want to put more data in the game that can fit on than Xbox 360 disk.

[lowcarb]

If size will compromise things which they have not yet then they can simply put it on more than one disc. Once again the Sony fanboys and there mentality cease to amaze me. There's always an excuse or reason why the PS3 is better. I guess there's no need to argue because you andthe rest are correct lol.

[Sarcasm]

"Still to this point any rational person can clearly see that PS3 is in no way more powerful than 360."

Still to this point any rational person who owns both consoles can see with their own two eyes that...

n/m, it's pointless. People like you are hopeless

[candystop]

"Still to this point any rational person who owns both consoles can see with their own two eyes that... "

Yeah they can see with there own two eyes and have enough common sense to purchase there multuplatform games on 360. If anyones hopeless it's ignornant people like you.

[rbluetank]

Now the 360 can pull off Kz2 visual master piece. Bungie needs to shut up and collect their royalities from their MEH hit selling game. they could not even adjust the online map size to the amount of players playing their online maps. R1 nail this procedure in 2006 at launch!!! H3 came out after R1. H3 would have three people playing on VHAl or bigger maps; instead of cutting off the map size to fit the amount of players playing!! what is worst of all is 8 vs 8...in a next gen console gm.. meh! H1 great gm. H2 good. H3 meh!

[I am Legend]

and still more than a billion games played.

:)

[REALgamer]

CAN PEOPLE NOT READ?!

This is NOT Bungie talking, this is an ex-Bungie employee. He also mentions he's worked on GHost Recon 2 so he's also an ex-Ubisoft employee.

HE IS NOT BUNGIE. BUNGIE IS NOT CLAIMING THEY CAN MAKE K2 ON 360.

He is not even claiming Bungie can make K2 - he said GG could make K2 on 360.

Bungie has no relation to this article at all.

[seifer085]

damn i clicked the link not knowing it was hip hop gamer

[Unicron]

....so ONE dev makes a game now instead of a team eh? Man, those "confirmations" sure are easy to come by these days. God, I see HHG's articles haven't gotten any smarter. Flamebait title? Check.

I don't doubt the 360 and PS3 are both quality hardware. But don't waste my time saying so and so COULD be done on either... put up or shut up, and those goes for both. Regardless of whether or not you like the art style, KZ2 is probably the best looking game on consoles for the time being.

[Nelson M]

Thats why we get War Perfected
And The Xbox gets Teletubbies on Steroids on a Day out at the Mardi Gras Festival

[Shepherd 214]

please tell me you really are not that inane?

[nycredude]

You come here and call people stupid and yet you post one of the dumbest comments here. What are you L7 or something?

I have aa 61 1080p Samsung and a 7.1 surround sound system Halo 3 is average looking, but great gameplay. Killzone looks great, AND looks better than Gears 2. Here is a side by side comparison of the different techs used.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

And don't get me started with your comment about the two systems, they have the same amount of memory!!!! Do your research before you make a fool of yourself.

[Ldubbz]

You should really learn to use the reply button, it works I promise you.

Good for you and your TV. I own a 1080p plasma, and all 3 systems, so please. That lensoftruth article is garbage and proves nothing btw.

Have you played both games? Do you own both? I have no axe to grind with KZ2; I enjoyed it for the most part. But for people to come out and act as if all games prior to KZ2 look like crap is just lies. The meat physics alone in Gears 2 are ridiculous. Or what I think is the best depth-of-field effect in ANY game thus far in Gears, when you zoom in and out.

KZ2 looks good, no denying that. But its bland level design, and somewhat bland design in general just doenst do it for me as much as many of you. Compared to Halo, Gears, CoD, Bioshock...it doenst have any feeling of history or substance in the locales. Its just "here's somewhere new to shoot stuff".

I know Halo 3 is the game to hate, but its not average looking. Any screenshot will show otherwise. Besides, that game came out nearly two years ago, and if Im not mistaken, IGN said this about it:

"Despite a few moments of slowdown, this is a gorgeous game, especially considering the demands of the replay function. And it's to die for in 1080p."

And there are many other similar comments from others. By all means enjoy whatever you will, no sweat off my back. But to be deluded is something else entirely.

Oh and about the system memory, you must be joking. Not only does the PS3's OS always take more memory than the 360 at any given time leaving less total memory available, its memory is split and has to be treated as such. Having 256MB of VRAM and 256 of system RAM isnt the same thing as having 512MB of anything RAM (plus 10MB of memory on the GPU). Simple and plain. I do notice that you left out the GPU...good choice.

[Jonoc33]

Rediculous. He BELIEVES they can make Killzone 2 on Xbox 360. He doesn't have any factual evidence to support him. Stop making false claims.

[Strife Lives]

Limited edition too,Im afraid if it could be done,you wouldve done it and the only reason the resolution of H3 was so bad and the textures looked terrible in H3 is because Msft told you to keep the game on 1 dvd.These guys suck,they reinvented a genre with the xbox and Halo 1,pushed the boundaries with Halo 2,but dammit Halo 3 looks like Halo2 HD and plays the same as the other 2.

[Unicron]

Careful, if you don't shower praise on EVERY Halo game you're a "fanboy" and "not a real gamer."

[Xbots play games]

*Microwaves popcorn..kicks up feet in chair..watches as the usual subjects absolutely lose their minds after reading this*

Believe me when I say..We are fine with keeping Halo on our system and K2 on the PS3 for good. In fact..watch the atomic bomb that will be dropped on the gaming community when OSDT drops and shuts down XBL within the first 24 hours. I'll take Gears 2 graphical style for Gears..Halo for Halo...and Call of Duty for COD..I'll take a 2to 4 player co-op campaign over single anyday..and I'll take those Bungie odds that K2 developed on an Xbox 360 for over four years with a 60 Million dollar budget would have yielded the same kind of benchmark. I'm glad they overhyped K2's graphics because when games come out in 2010 and beyond that blow it away..we'll have have fun looking back at the comment from people who could not bring themselves to believe.

[CryofSilence]

Who is this guy to talk? He was a 360 developer.

Oh well, I'm gonna go ahead and say this is a BS article that was probably fabricated... like most of the stuff on HHG.

[Jamaicangmr]

I love how he comes out to say that yet they couldn't get Halo 3 to look much better than Halo 2. lol!

Until they do it then he needs to quit with that mess. lol!

[Gitaroo]

he is right, the tech are there, both hardware only support up to SM 3.0 technology, just a matter of how they can get either game to run as effectively on either consoles is another story.

[Strife Lives]

Have you guys watched the 'Making Of. . ' in the bonus Halo 3 disc? Those devs are arrogant people,and their just a bunch of melodramtic losers.The one dude says ,we wanted such an emotional scene,when the arbiter strikes him with the sword and it goes through,we wanted you to feel the build up of emotion.BUNGIE THAT WAS LAME! MOST OF H3 is so lame. . . .,lets forget graphics for a second.These guys suck with story telling too.. Really lame Bungie,your skills are a bit dated... If you go into detail,the water movement in H3 is baad. In general,the textures were bad and the best graphical upgrade fron Halo 2 was lighting. .and even then. . . .,is good ever good enough for a AAA game?

[Unicron]

With all due respect to Bungie, they DO know how to make solid gameplay. I'll criticize the incredibly flawed and underwhelming Halo 3, but I won't bash a dev for their faults/mistakes/oversights. They did do some great things as well.

[aaron5829]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[lowcarb]

q

[AngryTypingGuy]

There's a difference between not being able to run the game on one disc and not being able to run the game at all. The 360 could probably run any game the PS3 can, it's just a matter of space.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I honestly don't think the 360 is capable of it.

[Chapulin]

I wish it could be done on the 360. That way we all would have more high quality games to play.

[Pootie Tang]

Am I the only Sony owner who doesn't worship KZ2, It looked good but it wasn't that overwhelming graphically. The game also has still not taken off as of right now there have only been 814816 ppl who've played it online.
Who cares if you could play it on a 360, it wasn't that fantastic that ppl are lining up for it---look at the sales! I think the 360 is doing fine with it's own exclusives- having this game would do nothing for them- just as not having it did nothing either.

[aaron5829]

Actually, to be honest, i still think Uncharted is the king of graphics for consoles at the moment.

My jaw actually dropped the first time playing Uncharted, but not KZ2. Nonetheless, it still looks amazing.

BUT, KZ2 MP is the best i ever played. I totally enjoyed it. The last time i enjoyed so much of MP was COD4.

[Pootie Tang]

Uncharted was a great looking game, def the water stuck out especially on the Jetski. I think everyone has a graphic style they prefer or that speaks to them. For me the best is Bioshock on the 360 (the PS3 port they rushed and was not detailed enough)
As for Multi I played KZ2 steady for about a week after launch and then haven't since. I still think COD3 is the funnest multi lol.
However I do believe that MW2 will surpass them all and be an absolute beast in terms of graphics

[Deadman64]

lol @ at all the Sony Fanboys on damage control.

[Shepherd 214]

lol they have a pretty quick defense force dont they? i wish they'd replace the cops in my town....

[dustgavin]

Not as quick as the 360 hype force.

"But the 360 CAN play PS3 games. It really can."

Keep the dream alive, 360 fans!

[fr0sty]

KZ2 could not be done as is on the 360, period. Gears of War 2 could not be done as is on PS3. Each system has their own individual strengths and weaknesses that each of these games is built around. So, where 360 excels over PS3, such as higher polygon-per-second count, lower OS memory usage, etc, Gears of War is written to take advantage of every bit of it. Killzone 2 is also written to take advantage of PS3's strengths over 360, such as higher bandwidth between it's processor, memory, and GPU, more storage space, split CPU/GPU RAM (allowing one to read or write data to it's pool of RAM without bottlenecking the other's requests to do the same, 360's CPU and GPU fight over the same bandwidth being that they both write to the same pool of RAM), and the SPE's which aid in graphics rendering, sound rendering, and physics processing.

So, neither game could run on the other console as is. Changes would have to be made to allow it to conform to the other system's limitations in order to run it, so a 100% perfect port is impossible in both cases. This article is truly fanboy bait and has no basis whatsoever in reality when you break it down to it's specifics. Sure, I could make killzone 2 run on a 360, and I could also make it run on a Sega Genesis, but it just wouldn't be the same as what you get on PS3, period. Changes (some minor, some drastic)would have to be made to port the game over to any other console.

[xabmol]

Prove it.

[BlackPrince 42]

Assuming this isn't an April Fools, why would a Bungie dev be qualified to say this. Yes yes I get it they made Marathon and Halo, but they have produced one single game for this generation that while very competent in gameplay, was merely okay in the graphics department.

If Crytek or Epic want to talk about what is possible and what isn't they're entitled to since they have built some the best looking games on multiple platforms. Bungie devs, who've not worked on anything other than the 360, wouldn't know enough about the architecture of the PS3 to say for certain whether or not Killzone 2 is possible on an Xbox.

[Elven6]

Wow he even puts "Ex-Bungie Dev" in the title and people still somehow assume he is with Bungie, how much more clearer can he make it?!?!?!

[John HX]

It's remarkable how easily most of you get pulled in by this obvious flamebait. Everything from HHG should be avoided at all times.

Please, just go play some actual games and stop propagating your favourite consoles superiority. It's not helping anyone, and the discussion is not going anywhere.
I'm tired of this ridiculous "debate".

Take games for what they are, entertainment, instead of an excuse to spew insults over people who do not share your oppinion regarding how shiny things should look.

[I am Legend]

and I swear I read this before on another website.

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

First : the news come from hhgamer website = LOLMACHINE : ON

Second : The interview came from someone who is dedicated to MS. He will never say that the 360 is weak.

Third : Hiphopgamer hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahah

[Faztkiller]

Nothing against bungie there my one of my fav dev

but the xbox 360 has been out for 1 year longer but it has nothing that comes close to Killzone 2
yea before its life is up it will have game that look better then Killzone 2 but the PS3 will have game's that make Killzone 2 look bad.

[Enigma_2099]

Halo 3 can be done on the PS3...

... doesn't mean it's gonna happen...

[news4noobs]

but nobody would want to play greyzone anyway, there are much better shooters available already.

[Sikct9a]

I'm here for the gangbang...

[Enigma_2099]

... I'll go get the horses.

Seriously, WTF are you talking about?!?!?

[NewZealander]

c'mon now, saying KZ2 cant be doen on 360 is just pathetic, it seems to be the in thing for developers who make ps3 exclusive games to say it cant be doen on 360.

KZ2 looks OK, but i still think it is completely over hyped, and by no means the holy grail of graphics that the fans make it out to be.

now we are hearing god of war cant be doen on 360, well guess what lost planet 2 looks miles better then that game, guess sony devs are just desperate to sell a few games.

[donnie-2105]

if you give the 360 50mil budget 4year dev time ect.. they (mgs) could come up with a game that equals kz2 graphically without doubt.could they come up with the excact same game?probably not due to the fact it was developed using the ps3 main strenghts.in the next few years i believe it will be surpassed not just by exclusives but the odd multi platform also,such as the new lost planet game and maybe crytecs console debut.but for the moment it is the console king graphically. gameplay is another matter entiely.

[no-spin]

i doubt the lack of money is the main issue. At the start of its 4th year the 360, an easy to develop console, has not shown anything to match PS3 exclusives. And that is a fact

[stonecold3]

machine on the market and the 360 could not even handle little big planet even the developer have stated the 36o could not handle it as the dvd was push to the maxed

[Faztkiller]

LoL im sorry but did u just say that Lost planet 2 looks better than GOW3 and Killzone 2 LoL

[JOEdANGEL]

I wonder how many people actually read the article?

[PirateThom]

Step up, Bungie.

If 360 can do it, make Halo: ODST look like it.

[XDF]

So what if KZ2 has the best graphics for a FPS? Turok 2 has the best graphics back in the N64/PS1 era and I don't recall that game being a classic.

[XDF]

Who needs KZ2 when the 2 best selling games of the year will be on x360. KZ2 will be forgotten once Halo ODST and Modern Warfare 2 is unleashed this fall.

[PirateThom]

So what if Halo has the best sales for a FPS? Wii Fit has the best sales this era and I don't recall that game being a classic.

[aaron5829]

LOL !!

THAT WAS PRICELESS !

[skatezero246]

You may be right but overall sony will have more games this year that will hit the 1 million+ mark and I See at least 3-4 of Sony's titles coming out this year to hit at least 3 Million+

So while your playing Halo ODST and Modern Warfare 2

I'll be playing God of War 3(if it releases this year), Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain(if it releases this year), Infamous, and the new Rachet & Clank but w/e game on

[donnie-2105]

the ps3 is possibly the most powerful machine on the market BUT if it costs 10s of millions and years of dev time to get games out of it which are only marginally superior graphically to your rival consoles exclusives is this a good thing?imo no,it is like owning a ferarri and never being allowed to drive over 80mph on the motorway 99% of the year.think of it this way epic have knocked out gears1/2 ut3 on both platforms ect.. in the time it took guerilla games to make k2, a game with admittedly amazing visuals but generic gameplay.all style and no substance imo.id rather have the more prolific epic on my exclusive dev list.

[PirateThom]

Too Human had a bigger budget than Killzone 2... in fact, Too Human's budget was double Killzone 2.

Are you funding the development?

No?

Then why do you care how much it costs?

[aaron5829]

It tooks x years for Guerrila to develop the ENGINE.

Developing the game itself wont take that long, but the Engine, is another story

GEARS 1/2 UT 3 had an engine available for them already...

if KZ2 were to use UE3, i'm pretty sure, it would have been released around 6 months after the ps3 launch.

[redsquad]

Doesn't really matter anyway. KZ2 is a "generic cookie cutter" FPS that can't hold a candle to their precious HALO 3, so no 360 owners want it anyway apparently.

[redsquad]

You two really don't get 'irony' do you?
I was responding to the "cookie cutter comment" by Xbox fans elsewhere. I'm a PS3-only owner, hence me saying "THEIR precious Halo" and not wanting KZ2 "apparently"..... tut tut.

As I've been heaping love and praise on KZ2 for some time now, I'd have thought that wouldn't have needed elucidation.

[Fade_Walker]

I will believe it when I see it Bungie.

[DeZimatoR]

I mean, its not even true HD. Thats kinda sad isn't it?

And whats with this obssesion from Microsoft related people with Sony and PS3 games (namely exclusives). Its like they don't think about anything else.

As for HHG: you're a tool, you always been.

As for 360 loyalists, ask yourselves this: which is the only game that constantly pushes the bar on the 360? Gears. Thats the only one. Up till November 2008, when Gears 2 launched, Gears 1 was still the best looking 360 game. And its a Unreal Engine game. That should tell you something.

And if you want PS3 exclusives this bad: just buy a goddamn PS3! Your balls won't fall off if you do...you people avoid the PS3 like the plague, but wishing its exclusives show up on YOUR console is all right. Freaking hipocrites.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Silly 360 fanboy.

[REALgamer]

Read the N4G title:
Bungie Dev Confirms Killzone 2 Can Be Done On Xbox360 Christian Allen.

Now go into the article and read the title:
Ex-Bungie Dev, Christian Allen, Confirms Killzone 2 Can Be Done On Xbox360

My my my, where did that 'Ex' disappear to when it was posted on N4G?

Misleading titles seems to be HHG's specialty. I'm reporting this article for inaccuracies.

[BobbySaget]

Its funny replace "Sony" with "Microsoft", replace "PS3" with "Xbox 360" and replace "The Cell" with "Xenos", and nearly every statment posted in here becomes true.

You all have no clue how either the PS3 or the 360 work. To anyone with a little tech knowledge it would be abundantly clear that the 360 COULD run KZ2, and would likely run it better.

You should all consult Someanimalsdance post (in that.. other forum, search for it) as he has a true explanation of how both systems work and he has even explained it in laymans terms for you retar....imean PS3 users.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Bungie made a game that was graphically possible on the first Xbox. Why would they claim such thing?

K2's multiplayer looks better than any console games single player campaign.

[QuackPot]

Yeah. Halo 3 would likely be achievable on the xbox.

I became a Halo fan after playing Halo 2. But Halo 3 just didn't have the magic factor that 2 had. I just suspect Bungie had already fallen out with MS and just didn't have their heart in it - just going through the motions.

Once Bungie knows the H/W they produce better work - H1 vs H2. If they were to do an H4 then it will be a lot better - technically.

[fr0sty]

"You all have no clue how either the PS3 or the 360 work. To anyone with a little tech knowledge it would be abundantly clear that the 360 COULD run KZ2, and would likely run it better."

Is that so? I bet I know more about it than you do... I've been in the gaming industry for years and speak to developers for both systems all the time about the limitations each has. KZ2 cannot be done as is on 360, period, just like Gears can't work as is on PS3 either. Of course you wouldn't know that, though. You are too concerned with defending your precious to actually bother learning a bit about how these consoles work, and what they can and cannot do. Each has it's advantages, each has it's disadvantages. 360 could run a version of Killzone 2, but not the Killzone 2 you see on PS3. Well, if it could stay on long enough without an RROD or E74 error. Ooh, yeah, I bet that rubbed you the wrong way, didn't it! I can hear the disagree button clicking now! Man, that hurts! Quit the fanboy crap and just play your systems already people. Both have great games.

[BobbySaget]

Bumping Someanimalsdance post. He posted it in relation to the FFXIII controversy but it has plenty of relevance here. Just ignore the parts about FF. He is a developer, while you "speak" to developers.

Someanimalsdance

First things first, the game is being developed on the PC. This mere fact would suggest that the 360 version will look better, as it has nearly an identical architecture to the computer. Similarly the fact that EVERY multi-platform games has looked better on the 360 also attests to this. (to whomever brought up Mirrors Edge, i would say Mirrors Edge is one of the most IDENTICAL multi-plat games to date. The PS3 version simply has better looking 'hands'.

Second, what people fail to understand is that 'NO' the PS3 is not "way more powerful than the Xbox 360" in fact from a logical standpoint it is arguably less powerful. The RSX (Google it) is not as powerful nor as well designed as the Xenos. The Cell does not have as much 'general processing power' as the Xenon, although its SPU's do jack up its FLOP performance. Similarly unlike the 360, the PS3 does not have unified pipelines nor unified memory which SEVERELY gimps it in several aspects (IE: FPS drop seen in several games).

A realistic depiction of the CELL vs the XENON is to think of it like this. THE CELL has 1 main logical processor clocked at 3.2ghz. It has 8 SPU's one if which is locked for "redundancy", so essentially each SPU is similar to a 'thread' on a typical processor. The Xenon on the other hand consists of a MAIN CPU also clocked at 3.2GHZ, but instead it has 3 cores each with 2 threads. Thus the 360 has 6 threads, and the PS3 has 7 threads (SPU's).
The main difference is that the each of the threads on the XENON are capable of MUCH higher, and MUCH MORE calculations, as they are each capable of harnessing about 17% of the main processors power. The SPU's on the PS3 on the other hand, are much more simplistic than a thread. Their architecture is VERY similar to the kind of processor you see in a high end calculator. As such, they are not capable of as high, or as many calculations as a thread, but instead they are great at tackling very specific calculations with far better consistancy than a thread.

As a result an SPU can be dedicated to a specific type of shader or, in a better example, an SPU can be dedicated to a thing like material physics. Thus it is very likely that Hair, cloth, and grass will always look nicer on the PS3. IT is important to note though, that since the PS3 only has 1 main logic processor it is OFTEN times gimped when running todays games. As a result the SPU's cannot be used for what they do best, enhancing. Instead the SPU's are forced to 'compensate'. This is why multiplatform games almost always run better on the 360. The 360 having more all around processing power is able to meticulously run these games, the PS3 cannot. The PS3 is forced to harness the power of the cell's SPU's to compensate for its lack of overall processing power and THUSLY the SPU's cannot be used to make the game look 'flashier'. Even in this case however the RSX has trouble rendering high resolutions (Thus why PS3 version have slightly lower texture resolution), and its lack of unified MEMORY forces the RAM to drop frames (Thus drops in FPS).

The reason the PS3 has very good looking exclusives is as follows. Since the PS3 has 1 main logical processor, when developing an exclusive the developers basically create a Single Cored, Single Threaded game. Very similar to someone who was designing a Game for an old Pentium 4. Thereby, by making a game that only requires a Single-cored, sing-threaded processor, the developers can use the SPU's to enhance the experience. This means they can use the SPU's to add in several extra shaders, extra physics, animation help, improved AI, etc, etc, etc. This is what you see in games like KZ2. it has beautiful background animations, and foreground animations, and lighting. BUT looking closely you will still see dumbed down texture resolutions upon close inspection (if you want to be picky).

If you were making a more typical 'this generation' game that used multi-cores and multi-threads, the 360 would do a better job. It has a superior graphics chip and far more general processing power. This gives it the ability create (arguably) more or less, EQUAL graphics, as well as the ability to shine elsewhere (AI, etc, etc). This is why your typical game usually runs better on the 360, it is a very powerful machine. It is also important to note that the majority of 360 exclusives are developed using a computer. If a dev truly took the time to develop a game based on the 360's in-order, 3.2ghz, 3 core, 6 thread process it would look stunning. Instead they just POP in a PC game, and the 360 runs it fine, usually still with amazing visuals.

In conclusion the Cell is powerful enough to compensate for its lack of multiple threads and multiple cores. When it doesnt need to do this, it opens up the CELL to create some cool special effects which, although gimicky, can improve the visuals of a game. the Xenos+Xenon however can create 'nearly' identical graphics and leave much much more power for developers to use wherever they see fit.

SO YES, granted, PS3 exclusives look good. I will admit that the background effects and animations in KZ2 are much better than most 360 games. However the game is still bogged with several low-res textures and the engine fails at foliage. In my opinion Uncharted looks WAY better than KZ2.
At the same time you Fan boys need to understand that your opinions are not facts. I personally think GEARS2 and MASS EFFECT look amazing, and for you to say MGS4 and KZ2 look better is an opinion. I dont beleive you. Similarly it would be appreciated if you learned about the hardware in both machines before posting your opinion that "the PS3 is WAY stronger". The cell has alot up its sleeve but the PS3 not stronger.

If i must take a REALIST approach to this argument, the truth is that both the 360 and the PS3 are 'junk' hardware. My computer was stronger than either of them when they both came out, and my computer is 20x stronger than both of them now. At BEST you are comparing a shiny apple, to a slightly shinier apple and it is pointless.

Lastly, as it has been stated, 100% of the power doesnt mean UBER GRAFIX. There is much, MUCH more to a JRPG than its graphics. Due to this fact, in coordinance with my statements above, it is very likely that the PS3 could be using 100% of its power, and the 360 version to be using less than 100% of its power. The cell could very likely be compensating for its lack of general processing power, and the 360 could very likely even have extra processing power unused. Does this make the 360 better than the PS3? not really. Does the theoretical potential of the PS3's SPU's (when not compensating) make the PS3 better than the 360? not really. The truth of the matter is that 90% of both systems library consists of the SAME EXACT games. The other 10% of both systems library consists VERY GOOD LOOKING exclusives (minus halo 3). This FACT should prove to you all that they are VERY VERY similar systems.

I chose my 360 because it was cheaper, because i dont want Blu-ray, becuase Blu-ray is a risky investment (currently doing bad even though it beat HD-DVD), and because of Xbox live. DO NOT GET ME WRONG. I own a PS1, a PS2, a Sony Bravia, and a Sony Vaio. I love Sony, and if someone was offering me a FREE PS3 - sure i would take it.

PS: Yes DVD9 sucks, but i dont think the NEXT step in data storage technology is Blu-ray. Like DVD's they are fragile and scratchable, plus they take up a TON of room(IE: the player itself must be ATLEAST the size of the disk which forces laptops to double their size when icorperating the technology). It seems more realistic that the next step would be something similar to compact flash. (kind of like going back to the cartridge days of NES/N64). A little stick that holds 50gb that you just pop into your machine? how is Blu-ray(a slow reading disk format) the next logical step?.

BUT yes i will be dissapointed if FFXIII is on more than 3 disks. But it wont really impact my gaming experience that much.

[Mike134nl]

seriously some people don't have a live

[Dark_Overlord]

Reason being I found 2 major flaws within seconds

1. "Similarly the fact that EVERY multi-platform games has looked better on the 360 also attests to this"

Burnout Paradise says hi

2. (And this someanimalsdance is meant to be a developer LOL) "but instead it has 3 cores each with 2 threads. Thus the 360 has 6 threads, and the PS3 has 7 threads"

I find that very funny considering IBM (The creators of the 360 CPU) stated even with the most efficient code they have, it is only possible for the 360 processor to use a MAXIMUM of 5 threads. IF you don't believe me I'll find the article out, so I'll take IBM's word for it over some SUPPOSED developer

[dj55555555]

You can list this crap all you want, where is the evidence?? All I know about the 360 so far is that it hasn't matched Killzone in any game and don't forget Killzone is not the new bench mark that now goes to Uncharted 2

It has poor storage size (limits the size of all multi-platform games)
It suffers from multiple errors (which microsoft is doing very well out of now the consumer is paying)
It Damages games
you pay for xbox live
Developers like the ones who have just made the new command and conquer game couldn't do on the xbox what they have done on the PS3 that is why the PS3 has a different version.

[someanimalsdance]

Bobby bumped my post so i suppose i will defend it.
To Mike134nl "seriously some people don't have a live", you spelled "LIFE" wrong. I'm sure we can all see the irony in that.

To Dark_Overlord, you named one multiplatform game that looks good on the PS3. I was under the impression that even PS3 fanboys were able to point out the common flaws i brought up. When i said "every" mutliplatform game looked better on the 360, what i meant was MOST OF THEM.

Similarly, i was under the impression the 360 could use all 6 threads, even if it is capable of only using 5, this doesn't compromise my post at all.

To djpolofish "All I know about the 360 so far is that it hasn't matched Killzone in any game and don't forget Killzone is not the new bench mark that now goes to Uncharted 2".

It is your opinion that killzone looks better (Dictionary: Opinion). Secondly you just said Uncharted2 is the new benchmark EVEN THOUGH it has not come out, you have not played it, and there is no 'REAL' footage of the game out. (that's a logical fallacy)

"It has poor storage size (limits the size of all multi-platform games)
It suffers from multiple errors (which microsoft is doing very well out of now the consumer is paying)
It Damages games
you pay for xbox live
Developers like the ones who have just made the new command and conquer game couldn't do on the xbox what they have done on the PS3 that is why the PS3 has a different version."

It has LESS storage space, not poor storage size (IE: all games to date have fit on DVD fine, and i have Shivering Isles, The Pitt, and Anchorage all on my HDD with plenty of space left over).

It does not damage games, The original batch of 360's would scratch your disk IF you moved your console around WHILE the disk was spinning. Anyone who does that, deserves a scratched disk

On Xbox live ---The main reason i bought the Xbox was BECAUSE of Xbox-live. I WANT to pay for it, because it is better. It is approximately 10cents a day. Even PS3 Fanboys have pointed out its superiority.

Last, C&C Tiberium wars was only on the 360, Red alert 3 was on the PS3 and 360. So exactly which game are you talking about? More importantly saying a RTS cant run on the 360 is stupid.

[QuackPot]

...but it will definitely be gimped.

But his comments make me think how much different Killzone 2 would be if Epic, Infinity Ward, Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studios or even Bungie had made it - undoubtedly better.

[Sketchy]

Anyone can say that it can be done. Why don't they start showing that it can be done.

[felidae]

i think it's possible .. KZ2 is not the 2nd coming everyone thought it would be. Gears 2 and RE5 look better .. my opinion.

[no-spin]

Gears 2 ans especially RE 5 look outstanding. RE 5 is my favorite of the 2, but KZ2 is more than just graphics. The animation, a.i., lighting, particle effects, etc. Its grayish colors are a little disappointing, but the games graphics are great.

[thxkbye]

1 Hit Killz

Killzone 2 Calibre? I love all the people that say Killzone 2 is the best blah blah, well how come it didnt sell nearly as fast as Gears and Halo? Hmm... Call me when you PS3 fanboys put your money where your mouths are.

[BobbySaget]

They cant put their money where their mouth is. They spent all their money on their lackluster PS3.

BTW everyone please read my REPOST of SOMANIMALSDANCE post above. It helps put all this fanboyism into perspective.

[Sarevok]

sells = good game?
Planescape Torment says hi.

[Strife Lives]

You and you 20 times more powerful pc need to detox and get laid. Seriously.

[BobbySaget]

Its not my post, I am bumping somebody elses post. Regardless of whether or not he needs to "detox"?, or "get laid", his post is relevant, true, and puts things in perspective. You, as a PS3 Fanboy, cannot counter his post and therefor must attack him personally.

ad hominem much?

[no-spin]

Why do you defend someanimals dance?
All he does is talk about numbers and call himself a "hardware guru", but the fact remains that PS3 exclusives shows the big gap of power between 360 and PS3.
GT5P vs Forza 2
Halo 3 vs Killzone 2
Gears 2 vs Uncharted
Ninja Gaiden 2 vs Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ratchet and Clank vs Banjo and kazooie
Heavenly Sword vs ?

For people here to deny the facts is delusional. Games express the difference better than hardware specs and the 360 has 3 years out with little improvement and even Epic thinks it is maxing out.
Facts of life

[BobbySaget]

Becuase thats the point. The the only true gap between the 360 and PS3 is in favor of the 360. You forget time and time again, that not a single 360 player thinks KZ2 looks better than Gears2. You forget that not a single 360 player thinks any PS3 exclusive looks better than Mass Effect. Likewise we are offended by your biased claims to truth

*Both Forza and GT5P look great and Forza arguably has the better game

*Comparing Halo3 to KZ2 is unfair, but is you must, Halo3 has been far more successful than KZ2.(Selling more in its first day, more its in first week, more in its first month, more overall, and receiving a higher rating my the majority of critics).

*Gears2 looks amazing, however I will give uncharted the benefit of the doubt as i consider it the best looking PS3's bet game. Regardless though it still did not receive half the critical acclaim nor sales that gears 1 or 2 did. You need to remember that the UNREAL engine has many limits itself which are not due to the 360.

* Ninja Gaiden 2 vs Sigma is a completely unfair comparison. Sigma has had an extra year of work done to it. Likewise if you look at the N4G article posted the PS3 screenshots simply look as if Team Ninja went "Shader-crazy" and just made the game as 'sparkly' as possible. The 360 version, being a year older, looks much more realistic and atleast still has blood and gore in it. (there is a fallacy named after this type of comparison)

* Ratchet and Clank vs Banjo. I suppose they are both sort of platformers. But i mean.. C'mon, that comparsion is HARSH. In my opinion Rare did a TERRIBLE job with Banjo (however it did still get good reviews). You cannot really blame the 360 for Rares awful development.

So if you missed it, your "facts"...arent facts. They are your opinion. Someanimalsdance having experience in the field tried his BEST to not just talk about numbers. He tried to put things in perspective for both 360 and PS3 fanboys. THE REASON PS3 exclusives look good is because they are essentially single cored/single threaded games, Which allow the SPU's to add in 'nifty' effects. Likewise every game not designed on a Single core/thread architecture runs poorly on the PS3 because its SPU's are forced to compensate for its lack of general processing power.
So it is in this perspective we see that the PS3 is not, in the slightest, a more powerful machine. It is a less powerful machine capable of putting out some incredibly 'shiny' games. Which brings us to one of someanimals other points. 360 developers are basically developing COMPUTER games and puting them the 360 because they CAN. in SEVERAL 360 Marketplace 'developer videos' you even see them running and developing the games ON THEIR COMPUTERS, without a 360 in sight. I believe this is true even for GEARS. So in light of this, you must understand that it IS important to look at the numbers, that the 360 is incredibly powerful and most likely IS capable of producing damn near identical games as the PS3, and possibly even doing them better. (keep in mind that even though 360 exclusives are being half-assed they still look stunning).

The fact that there has not been a slew of gorgeous games lately doesnt make this untrue, we WILL see better looking games in the future. (but we both know the SECOND the 360 released a game that looks just as good, or better, than KZ2 that EVERY SINGLE PS3 FANBOY will try to discredit it)

The fights in this forum are due to PS3 fanboys ignorance. The 360 has been more successful in many more aspects than the PS3. In sales, in game quality(as noted, by the fact that is has more "critically acclaimed" titles), in online experience, in controller design, in ease of development, in multi-platform games, and (arguably) in terms of graphics. However EVEN IN THIS CASE most 360 gamers, having experienced the PS3, and having probably owned a PS1/PS2, are FINE with accepting that both systems are relatively equal. However they are NOT FINE with accepting that the PS3 is "more powerful" and "is capable of better graphics" when most technical, logical, and visual evidence points to the contrary.

Imean SERIOUSLY? if we wanted we could bring up how hard it is to prgram for your system, how your system has less AAA games, how your system had a poorly designed controller, how PSN fails in several ways, how we have sold more consoles, how we have sold more games, how we are cheaper, and how our system is easy to develop for. We could bring up all these point in 'every forum'. But we dont. However you all seem to bring up the same incorrect point in EVERY FORUM!!! "the ps3 is stronger" "the ps3 has better graphics" "the ps3 is stronger" "the ps3 has better graphics" and 90% of you dont know the least bit about how your hardware ACTUALLY works. Plus, since when were SONYfanboys grahpics-Ho's? The ps2 had worse visuals than the Xbox and the Gamecube but that didnt stop it from becoming the top gaming console.

I think someanimals said it the best,you are "At BEST you are comparing a shiny apple, to a slightly shinier apple and it is pointless. "

And since i know that this post will stop noones flaming, for future reference, please compare EVERYTHING to uncharted, instead of comparing everything to KZ2. KZ2 PALES in comparison to Uncharted.

[dj55555555]

If all this is true then please explaine why the PS3 has a better version of Command & Conqure (a new game) as the developers said they maxed out the 360 and had to cut content.

[no-spin]

you make valid points, but then you go with the following classic argument
"The fact that there has not been a slew of gorgeous games lately doesnt make this untrue, we WILL see better looking games in the future. (but we both know the SECOND the 360 released a game that looks just as good, or better, than KZ2 that EVERY SINGLE PS3 FANBOY will try to discredit it)"

Gears 2 is considered the epitome of graphics power on the 360, and you know very well that game has a dead environment and limited content of on-screen action (few enemies for instance). And all this talk about 360 can do everything the PS3 does... well i would assume the year advantage is more than enough time to push the 360 to the limits, especially because the 360 is "so easy to develop".
My point is: IF the 360 can pull a Uncharted, or KZ 2, or MGS 4 in terms of Quality then where is the game?
I accept my comparisons were pretty harsh, but only because the PS3 games in there are very high in quality. Gears 2 and Halo 3 are the face of the 360, and why did not those games deliver on the claim: "whatever PS3 can do, 360 can do"??? is like God of war is the face of the PS3 and Santa Monica is making very clear that God of War will unleash the PS3 capabilities.
Who can explain this in a realistic manner? Developers dont want to make PS3 quality on the 360? i dont think so, especially with how well the 360 game sale. is the 360 maxed out? Epic thinks is close to being maxed out. Is the DVD capacity a big limitation in terms of storage? very possible.

To summarize: I want to see PS3 quality on the 360, but until then the PS3 exclusives have the upper hand (my opinion and with good reasons). I think Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 will put this issue to an end. Dont get me wrong, the best thing to happen is to see a 360 game that tops KZ2, but until then the claims of equal power dont have proof.

[7thNightvolley]

I really really .. cant wait to see what MS has this E3 and if it is better than kz2 that would shut alot of mouths in this stupid website. i would laugh so much. ... we shall see how intresting things get ... just remember when u dont know an enemies plans and tricks it only makes them more dangerous... u know MS just be very careful coz they are nasty guys.

[dj55555555]

It needs to be better than Uncharted 2 as thats blown Killzones graphics out of the water

[xg-ei8ht]

I was shocked that the wii can't even play DVD'S.

Lights wise killzone 2 could be done on the 360.

I think the main problem would be processing power, i/e debris,physics,mo-cap ragdoll blending. Particles.

As much as i like KILLZONE 2 and loved the SP and some parts of the MP, I'll shortly be selling it.

Reasons:

1)MP is too congested,(even if you play with less players, turns into a invisible sniper match)

2)Trying to use blow up targets, results in total and utter spam of the area.

3)Maps are too small for so many players, other then phyrus.

4)The game badly needs bigger maps and vehicles.

5)I've already played the SP twice, and i really enjoyed it. I think the engine is excellent.

Before anyone says i'm not good enough, or don't know how to play it. I got top rank pretty easily for someone who has never played a fps on a console before.

I have my flamesuit on and ready.

[redsquad]

Sure they could get KILLZONE 2 to work on the 360, but I'm pretty sure the compromises would mean the removal of what makes it unique.

If John Carmack has to make compromises to get RAGE working on the system I can't see this being any different...

[lazzymusa]

Its true guys it can be done, on 7 dvds then your box will RROD as soon as you shoot the first Helgan

[Major_Tom]

Does HipHopSlacker show make you devoid of all critical thinking people?

Ignore this fool.

John Carmack can't even make RAGE in the same limelight that he wants to on the Xbox 360 why do these people keep convincing themselves that the Xbox 360 can run anything at the same configurations as the PS3. It's just not possible. Anyway;

STOP GOING TO HHG'S WEBSITE AND STOP CLICKING THESE ARTICLES, ESPECIALLY STOP COMMENTING.

[Tykis]

Right and Bungie built the engine.

[artgamer]

Well, so where is it ? Bungie talking smack again.

[fr0sty]

that post by somanimalsdance is riddled with inaccuracies. First off, BD discs are not brittle and scratch easily. You can take a brillo pad to them and they still play ok (yes, stock BD discs, not specially coated ones). Look up blu-ray scratch test on youtube for proof. Also, BD disc drives are no bigger than DVD drives. The discs are the exact same size. That part was total BS. Also, they forgot to mention that the Xenon's 3 cores all share a very small amount of cache (1mb) while PS3's PPU has 512kb of cache and each SPU has 256kb of cache, totaling 2mb of cache total for the PPE and the 6 available cores used in gaming (one SPU is reserved for the PS3 os, one is disabled for redundancy). That's double the cache, which = fewer bottlenecks. And to claim the SPE's are nothing more than fancy calculators is crazy. We've seen them do things like helping the RSX with rendering in games like killzone, uncharted, and more, allowing RSX to focus on texturing and shading while leaving much of the geometry to the SPUs. We've also heard the devs say Cell is better at physics because of the SPE's. He also fails to mention the bandwidth advantages PS3 has over the 360, both in system memory and video memory as well as from CPU<>GPU.

Quotes like "This is what you see in games like KZ2. it has beautiful background animations, and foreground animations, and lighting. BUT looking closely you will still see dumbed down texture resolutions upon close inspection (if you want to be picky)." are also lies. I'm playing KZ2 right now, and I can walk up to any surface and barely see any blurring of textures. But, if you want to talk about dumbed down texture res, I noticed how Gears 2 doesn't require the textures to be fully loaded for it to render. Sometimes, characters are rendered with very low res textures (and possibly low quality shading) for a while, and they're streaming from the disc, then it transparently renders the full textured object when done. You see none of this in KZ2.

In the end, you can dig all over the internet looking for some armchair tech head who claims to know what he's talking about, and he can spit all the numbers in the world out that back your point, but until we actually see the results in action your words are useless. We have yet to see a shooter on 360 top Killzone 2 graphically (look at the Gears vs. Killzone comparison linked to on page 1 of the comments if you want to snap back with Gears as a retort). Gears may match it at times, but other times it has low res textures, bad lighting, and low res geometry on the environments.

I too agree that Uncharted so far is the best looking console game out there, and Uncharted 2 looks like it's going to set that bar even higher. So until Bungie makes Halo ODST blow that and Killzone 2 out of the water, I won't buy any fanboy rhetoric that states that they can. 360 needs to put it's money where it's mouth is.

[Dark_Overlord]

So you easily found flaws (AKA BS) as well from that SUPPOSED developer

[someanimalsdance]

I didnt post it, my post was from a different article.I disagree with bobbysaget posting it here, but i will defend it against your ad hominem.

My implication that Blu-ray is not the next logical step in media storage is based on two things. Even after beating HD-DVD, Blu-ray is doing incredibly bad in the market. Unlike VHS to DVD it isnt a logical step forward. Most people can hardly see, or dont care for the small visual improvment, nor do they care for Blu-ray live (or w.e its called).

"Blu-ray live" has useless features which are included to reinforce it's large storage capacity and value. For example, do you really want to log into your Blu-ray player and listen to random peoples reviews about 'the movie you just rented'. Are you gonna take it back if they say the movie sucks?, secondly, do you really want to be able to change the colors of the cars in Fast and the Furious, will that make you enjoy the movie more? (These are some features of blu-ray).

On this note, my discussion about Blu-ray pertained to the fact that Final Fantasy will be on more than one disk for the 360. Thus it was not relevant to this topic, i was suggesting a more logical move in media storage, and i did not say that BLU-RAY was bigger than DVD. I said that, like DVD, Blu-ray players must be atleast the SIZE of their disk. Which means when buying a laptop your laptop will be substantially bigger when including any type of disk drive. This is in comparison to things like NETBOOKS which dont have disk drives, they are able to size them down 8.9' screens and make them highly portable. Using a medium similar to compact flash would allow even small laptops to watch HD video, and as a Solid CARD they are highly UNDAMAGABLE, unlike the flimsy plastic of ANY disk.

You said "the Xenon's 3 cores all share a very small amount of cache (1mb) while PS3's PPU has 512kb of cache and each SPU has 256kb of cache, totaling 2mb of cache total for the PPE and the 6 available cores used in gaming (one SPU is reserved for the PS3 os, one is disabled for redundancy). That's double the cache, which = fewer bottlenecks. And to claim the SPE's are nothing more than fancy calculators is crazy. We've seen them do things like helping the RSX with rendering in games like killzone, uncharted, and more, allowing RSX to focus on texturing and shading while leaving much of the geometry to the SPUs. We've also heard the devs say Cell is better at physics because of the SPE's. He also fails to mention the bandwidth advantages PS3 has over the 360, both in system memory and video memory as well as from CPU<>GPU."

Okay so first of a 1mb cache, is not small, it very big especially when used for an in-order-processor in a console that only does gaming. It is in-fact, probably overkill. Also trying to add up the cumulative Cache in the CELL and then comparing it to the cache of the XENON is ridiculous, the cell having 8 tiny SPU's obviously has a different architecture than the XENON, it is not an apples for apples comparsion. the PS3 NEED's the extra (total) cache in order to make the SPU's run properly, while the 360 puts out far more general processing power without the need for an overly large cache. This is so irrelevant, i cannot even imagine what you are aiming for.

If you had read my post you would understand i brought up intricacies of how the cell works. You say "we've seen them do things like helping the RSX with rendering in games like killzone, uncharted, and more, allowing RSX to focus on texturing and shading while leaving much of the geometry to the SPUs. We've also heard the devs say Cell is better at physics because of the SPE's."

Well yes like i said in my post (re-read it). WHEN the SPU's are not compensating for the ps3's lack of general processing power and lesser video card. AND WHEN the game itself has been designed for a single core/thread processor, THEN and only THEN can the SPU's help do things like RENDER, GEOMETRY, and PHYSICS. you really must pay more attention.

Then you try to say that the increased CACHE reduces bottlenecks and that the PS3 has higher bandwith from CPUtoGPU. How exactly does it reduce bottlenecks? what bottleneck? By saying it gets rid of them you seem to imply that the ps3 is plagued with bottlenecks( which is somewhat true). Yes the ps3 has more CPU to GPU bandwith, but once again this gives it very little to no advantage, and THUS far has only helped the PS3 in compensating for its akward design. And on the note of bottlenecks How about the RSX? it poses one of the PS3's biggest bottlenecks, It is unable to render HD textures in real time, due to its own bandwith cap. This makes the increased bandwith between the CPU and GPU irrelevant. This, likewise, make Blu-ray somewhat irrelevant because developers cannot even use the extra space for HD-Textures as the RSX cannot render them in-game fast enough. This bottleneck is so extensive that it even results in LOW-RES textures in mutliplatform games which is a big reason why they look better on the 360.

Moving on, your little rant on GEARS OF WAR. It has very high texture resolutions for the most part, unlike KZ2. Apparently while playing KZ2 you failed to look at the sidewalks, or cars, or debris, or anything not in the forefront. OBVIOUSLY the main textures in KZ2 are not dumbed down. Similarly the sometimes slow rendering of textures off the disk is an issue MORE related to the UNREAL engine, not the 360. FAIL MORE? But either way, all textures are fully rendered before you can see them? so what does it matter? Only the occasional GLITCH will allow you to see a partially rendered texture, or a texture without its bump map. This again is irrelevant.

So moral of the story, is that you fail, and took my MOSTLY unbiased post and tried to counter it with fanboyism. I dont even have a considerable preference for the 360. My defense of the 360 is, for the most part, in retaliation to all of you whom think your PS3 is the most powerful entity in the world (god being second). The truth of the mater is you have 2 DAMN NEAR identical machines, with very different architectures.

OH PS: yes each SPU is very very very similar to the type of processor found in a high end calculator, damn near identical. It is not as if i read an article saying "EXTRA EXTRA! the SPU is a Calculator processor" i have looked at the build and ability of each, first hand. It is not to imply that a spu IS a calculator processor.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Only sony fans are delusional enough to believe that Killzone 2 cannot run on the 360.

[Major_Tom]

Hahah, right. This coming from a guy who has an official pwn list on his Bio lmao and is ignored by 120 people.

But hey, Who am I to judge right?

[Salta_nelas]

If they can pull of Halo 3, that technical marvel(!), sure Bungie could also pull a KZ2 =p

Didnt you guys know? KZ2 was secretely developed by Bungie, they were the ones who build the engine for 3.5 years around the PS3 hardware, and it´s the best looking console game by far, they really did use the cell and the bluray, Kudos to Bungie and glad they can do the same on the 360.

[MrJack]

You can get a whole 3.5 levels onto a 7gb DVD!! Each level is 2gb big.

[be_wrong]

it can run... but as a cutscene :P

[Death2494]

I'm certain the 360 can run Killzone 2. Like mentioned before, there are going to need some serious concessions to achieve it though. But let's face it this is a first party engine we're talking about. Not a 3rd party one like UE3 or Cryengine3. Microsoft doesn't have a serious first party engine that's why they buy their exclusives instead of make them. At least Sony has Phrye 2.0. Bungie would've been better off using Unreal Engine 3 to make halo 3. But we would then only have 10 multiplayer matches.LOl

[llMurcielagoll]

IF KZ 2 can run on 360 so does Halo 3.. I have no idea why I posted this comment but ok lol

[llMurcielagoll]

edit: I meant so does halo 3 on the PS3

[Magic_The_Celt]

Who cares if it "could" be done

it wont be :)

so the best graphics seen in a console game so fa....

ah screw it i cba yeh lets face it guys killzone 2 is meh.. graphics are good but imho cod4 looks better..

[dylz]

how can this wanker confirm it can be done when he hasnt worked with ps3

[DragonWarrior_4]

I could be done, on like 5 disc. Also there would have to be a compromise with the graphics because of all the compressed data, the quality of sound and lighting effects wouldn't be half as good. There would be less objects on screen and not as many animations. Sure it could be done, but it wouldn't be as pretty.

[maspi]

oh no!Hiphopgamer again!this article is retarded.has Cristian Allen developed the engine for killzone2? no!... why he talk then?

[skatezero246]

It's not possible because It's Exclusive even if it was possible to make the game on xbox360, <-- this is what I think Sony originally ment when they said only possible on PS3 but the sony fanboys like all fanboys have to take it as it's to complex to develop for the xbox360

p.s. I prefer Sony I have PS1, PS2, and PS3 and they all still work which is why when it comes to consoles Sony is my first choice I'm just tired of Fanboys giving Gamers bad reputation for both Xbox360 and PS3 owners

[DoucheVader]

If GTA4 is any indicator, I doubt the 360 could pull off the advanced lighting techniques.

[dj55555555]

How the hell can it work on the 360, it doesn't have the format storage for all the high quality textures, you can compress it all you want but it still wont fit

[paracardium]

I want to see a Metalgamershow enough with hiphop.Someones gotta do it...I wonder if HHG will do a review on guitar hero Metallica.

[santiago23]

i liked the hiphop gamer show but now its getting so ridiculous obviously there doing this for hits on there site with this useless article i have nothing against him at all but please stop writing these stupid articles killzone2 is for ps3 and halo dev wouldn't no he didnt develop the damn game

[Acquiesc3]

I think I'll trust Guerrilla Games when they say it can't be done - they are the devs after all and are more believable than this "ex-bungie dev"

BTW, the title is pretty misleading. He doesn't confirm anything, it's just his opinion (which I'm willing to bet is quite wrong). He clearly states that he only works with the 360, so he can't exactly pass accurate judgment on a comparison when it comes to both systems' capabilities.

[jericho25]

What will we hear next? Killzone 2 playable on the Wii?

[danfry]

If it can be done, then why haven't you freakin done it??? or built this multi-lighting, mega particle system into your Halo games huh??

[DethWish]

We can all see how well Bungie managed to utilize the 360's power with Halo 3....... this guy shouldn't be allowed to comment on what's possible on either PS3 or 360 :/

[bob saget remix]

Its quite funny if you ask me. Uncharted cant even run on the 360.

[bob saget remix]

Seriously it looked like halo 2.

[Deadman64]

Hmm...funny how Halo 3 will go down in history while Killzone 2 ....well wont.

[redsquad]

Yep, HALO 3 will go down in history as the game that 'fooled all of the people all the time'. Although my HALO-loving Sister thought it was crap so at least she had some sense.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

some idiot on top thinks that gears2 looks better then KZ2 yet it cant even beat uncharted 1, here's proof scroll down and look at all the images from top to bottom
http://forums.gametrailers....

look at the one where it shows drakes and one of the fat obese club members backs, when I saw that I LMAO

[bob saget remix]

so its not really shocking. Uncharted type graphics will never happen on the 360.

[redsquad]

I just started playing UNCHARTED again on my new 42" telly and am still stunned by how amazing it looks. Walking along the cliff before entering the fortress, I just stop and stare at the ocean from time to time - Absolutely gorgeous!

When the 360 produces a game that looks on a par with it I may bring myself to buy one.

[XPC HARDonE]

people said you couldnt get crysis graphics on the 360, but look at that engine, cryengine 3. You mean to say with that engine and 5 years of development that the 360 couldnt pump something out that could match killzone 2 and its sweet graphics. come on now. I know the PS3 is capable of beauty, uncharted 2 looks amazing, but the 360 is no slouch.

anything can run on anything it just needs to be optimized for that platform by a team that knows what its doing and has the resources to not do a rush job.

At this point these arguments are no longer about gaming or the gaming industry. All I see now are people with psychological problems working out their personal issues under the guise of a console war.

Sad.

[123360]

why is he ex bungie,sacked was he

[PotNoodle]

Who cares? The fact is, even if it can be run on the xbox 360 - it won't be ;)

[cyrus228]

thats why halo looks the way it does lol

[ThatCanadianGuy]

*yawn*

[-MD-]

Hello resident PS3 fanboy

[Nelson M]

Than a Murderdoll loving Goth

[redsquad]

Hello tired yet inevitable 360 owner comeback.

[Blink_44]

Hiphopgamer loves posting flame bait. He must really need the hits.

[Guitardr85]

What I think is really funny is that all of these people say that this game can be done on the 360 or that game can be done on the 360. Regardless of whether or not they could be done you don't hear the PS3 developers saying that a high end 360 game could be done on the PS3. This is because there are so many games that Sony puts on their system that question the ability of the 360 that MS PR people feel that they have to do damage control by saying that there system is on par with Sony's. It's just very funny that we HEAR a lot of talk about how the 360 could run these types of games, yet we NEVER ACTUALLY SEE THEM!!! Come on MS...with all of your money, you'd think that you could actually prove at least one of them...right?!?

Uncharted...oh that COULD be done on the 360
MGS4...oh that COULD be done on the 360
Killzone 2...oh that COULD be done on the 360

Give me a break...

[no-spin]

and if that quality is possible why did they settle for the shiny comic graphics in Halo 3?

All talk, but they dont walk the walk. Deliver on your word and earn your respect.

[manwich25]

I don't even think the guys at Remedy know whats going on with Allen Wake

[egm_hiphopgamer]

Alan Wake should be a major E3 surprise for microsoft it actually should've been shown at GDC but for some reason they pulled the plug on it so we just have to wait but i'll hook you guys up with the top notch footage from this year's E3 so god bless everyone especially the haters

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

This coming from the team that made that Halo 3 trailer and the game falling far short? I rather believe Bovine university.

[4Sh0w]

Christian is just stating common sense, according to the former IBM dev Dave Shippy who was part of the development process for both consoles they are about equal in terms of hardware capability. Of course sony & microsoft are going to swear that they both have HUGE advantages over the other but nobody unbiased agrees when you look at the games.

The only reason KZ2 won't be on 360 is because its exclusive, I love KZ2 its the best looking so far, Gears2 is still close enough though, but imo the tech demo for the CryEngine3 only further proves what Shippy, Christian and so many other devs have said which is they architechture is very different with some pro and cons for both but the end result is they are about equal for games.

I think people who actually do this for a living have alot more creditability vs those of us who just play games and comment on gamesites, you'll notice it seems only fanboys will try to push the idea "My console is more powerful than yours" I think even if micro & sony both held hands and sang ps3 & 360 are equal fanboys on both sides would call them liars.

[talltony]

Nothing on 360 looks close to Uncharted 1. 2 even if it was capable from a graphic standpoint it still wouldnt have any dedicated servers so it probably wouldnt be 32 players online.

[deividpaulo]

UAEHAUEHAUEHAE

APRIL FOOL??

BAD JOKE

xplode360

[cyrus228]

i own one too but it hasnt' exploded yet, tho i know they do

i call it the Xbomb-3-fixme

that phrase sums it up pretty well i think lol. a few good games doesnt change the hardware failure rate, not to mention one of my friends had his go in flames playing gears 2 lol

[cyrus228]

ok ok lets say the 360 cud do it. why hasnt it yet??? why have only epic games been the only dev's to make a game look and play good on the console?

all it proves is 360 is full of lazy dev's that dont try their best, left 4 dead is one of the ugliest exclusive games i've seen on any current console, no reason it shud look worse than half life 2.

every ps3 exclusive looks good, ALL of them even the bad ones, haze, lair.

but the obvious games which i dont need to list prove that gameplay and graphics can be done and are constantly done on the ps3. sad truth no???

so fanboys dont be happy cuz an ex dev says something because it doesn't happen ever.

[Tomkar]

I do not believe it can be done on the 360. I mean look on the lightning effects, The blowing wind in Pyrrhus Rise, all the flags blowing in the air, the shadows of the players and all that goes on on screen with 32 players onine with explosions, fire and so on. This is all made in the highest level ever seen on consoles!

I think this could be made but the port would be much worse then the port to PS3(FALLOUT 3, and I mean much much worse. But to be honest I would not mind it being on 360 if it could be made.

[Shane Kim]

KZ2 is so much more than just graphics. As all people on this planet who has been tainted by 360, he just pulls stuff out of his @ss.

[karan8624]

Well said

[Gue1]

The X360 it's older than PS3 and still doesn't has a game as graphically amazing as Killzone 2 or Uncharted...

[iEternal]

i still don't believe it. if the 360 is capable of this, why haven't we seen this yet? i hear a lot of 'blah blah blah', and that's all it is at the end up of this argument.

[Bloodshedder]

then why havent they made a game with the same graphics, fhysics, etc ????

[naiku]

some developer for 360 said it can be done hahaha

[ps34ever]

Saying Killzone 2 can't be done on the 360 is saying it can't be done on the pc.

[dustgavin]

How is that? Considering that the average Pc is much more powerful than a 360.

[Alcohog]

Really throwing around the term "confirmed" these days. Anyways, we should take a user vote on banning HHG for his headlines. I used to be on his side but I'm just getting annoyed seeing his articles in the main pipeline that have very little validity to them. Each headline is crafted for hits, and often times is nearly entirely baseless once you actually read the article. His submissions pretty much epitomize what is wrong with N4G.

[J-Train]

at 1 frame per minute

[fossilfern]

i hear the Atari 2600 could do Gears of War 2 :O

[Amplitude]

Yeah, sure. But the audio would be 5.1 Lossy Dolby Digital rather than 7.1 uncompressed PCM. The visuals would be compressed to hell to fit a DVD-9. It would probably be 12 players online. There would be no Sixaxis support - making sniping not nearly as entertaining.
It would still be a good game, but theres no way in hell it could sound or look as good as on the PS3. End of story.

[SwiftArsonist]

here we go, another ps3 vs 360 debate. people dont take his remarks out of context. both consoles have their ups and downs, deal with it.

[JHUX]

lol @ halo gameplay, more like slowed down and easy. Don't take this as a fanboy comment, but you haven't played many fps games if you think Halos gameplay is awesome! A 5 year old could be good in that game.

[bob saget remix]

If some one at General Mills stated KZ2 could be done on the 360. People would believe him.

[Jecht]

When it comes to computer technology, anything is technically "possible". BUT, there are degrees to consider. Is it possible to have Killzone 2 on the 360? Sure. Up to PS3's quality in all areas? Nope.

Is it possible to have Crysis on the 360 or PS3? Yep. Up to PC quality? Probably not.

It's all about degrees.

[XLiveGamer]

"The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360
aren’t all that much; it’s really about the delivery
of content"
- Christian Allen (Ex Bungie Developer)

> "it's really about the delivery content" <

[karan8624]

This pisses me off. The title of the article is:
"Ex-Bungie Dev, Christian Allen, Confirms Killzone 2 Can Be Done On Xbox360"

HOW THE HELL IS THIS CONFIRMED?!?!

A developer from a company that makes XBOX EXCLUSIVES says 360 can handle KZ2. How the hell does his (payed by microsoft) opinion make it confirmed??

[Strikepackage Bravo]

His opinion matters at least as much as the paid by Sony opinions of the people who said KZ2 can only be done on PS3.

You guys amaze me, you dont even see how insane and hypocritical you are. The only people saying KZ2 cannot be done on 360 are nobody ignorant fanboys like you, and paid by Sony developers and marketing goons.

How on earth would anyone at GG know what the 360 is capable of, they have been working on KZ2 the last 5 years LOL

[karan8624]

Why? because xbox is technologically inferior to the PS3. It like the different between renovating you house by yourself with no experience, and hiring a pro. Sure, both get the job done, but the Pro will be much better at it.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

the only thing PS3 is proven to have on 360 is bluray. The rest is just marketing hype. If you look at technical write ups on both consoles, you see they all conclude that the PS3 just appears more powerful on paper, Like the old Pentium 4s that had higher clock speeds than the Athlons but still got raped in performance by the Athlons.

I reality the two are over all equal because the 360 performs better in some areas and the PS3 performs better in others.

[Amplitude]

and that blu-ray provides space on our disc for the uncompressed visuals. That blu-ray lets us have 7.1 uncompressed audio. That blu-ray provides the developers with plenty of space to work with.
Honestly, i love Killzone's audio. The only thing that even comes close to its quality and speaker placement is Heavenly Sword and maybe Warhawk. When put on the 360, it would completely suck ass.
You can consider this nitpicking, but to me it is definitely not.
Im curious how you guys consider the 360 to have the same quality of games as the PS3. Really, it just sounds retarded. When the hell was the last time you saw something of the quality of Killzone 2 on the 360? When was the last time you had 60 player multiplayer? Right, you haven't.
My brother gave me a 360 for free, and i honestly havent even touched the damn thing since Left 4 Dead.

If you really, truly believe that the 360 can pull off some of the stuff the PS3 can, you're sadly mistaken.
I haven't even seen a damn 360 game pull off (or even attempt...) real-time water effects properly besides Resident Evil 5... and that water was far from impressive. Even Resistance Retribution on the PSP has better water effects than Gears 2. Sorry to hate on Gears 2, but i hated it. Halo 3 > Hears 2 any day.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

You have to keep in mind that he made HAYLO 3! A graphically inferior game that's NOT at 720p, not as highly detailed and on a system far easier to program for. If it was possible, it would have been done since it's easier to program and get the most out of the 360 compared to PS3

[Ryuk]

Since you poor droids don't like to read articles

{{Oh yeah, Killzone 2 could totally be done on 360 if Guerilla wanted to. The tech is there, if the team and the publishers were motivated, they could do it, just like Halo could come to PS3 if MS didn’t own it. It really comes down to console exclusivity. The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360 aren’t all that much; it’s really about the delivery of content.}}

[BGDad]

Now go play the mess they called Halo 3 and pretend its on the level KZ2 is..

I frankly dont care if he could be done on the 360 because it costs 59.99 to play online.. NOT WORTH IT!

Have fun with these articles xbotx.. You surely dont have any games to play thats for sure! Good luck with Splinter Cell and Alan Wake.. lol

[Ryuk]

You've got to be the first droid I've seen who doesn't own a Playstation. I bet you've tried to make a psn id threw a gamestop kiosk and use that as proof that you have one LMFAO!! Kids these days.

[Lex Luthor]

It's a shame K2 is a shallow overrated game.

[dustgavin]

It's a shame you weren't blessed with a higher intellect.

[Phantom_T]

Enough CD's.
Enough time and effort.
Enough resources.
The 360 could run a game BETTER than Killzone 2.
But the question isn't if,it's when.
I mean,Microsoft had a big lead on Sony at the beginning,time to work with the 360 and developers and for them to learn the ropes and start doing things faster and better.
But why haven't they?
It looks like Dev's aren't even competing multiplat any more,All the PS3 exclusives are trying to outdo each other instead.

[dabizo]

So why didn't Bungie create something as good as Killzone? Because it cant be done that's why or it would have been done by now.

[Xbots play games]

You can pretend that K2's graphics were so amazing that your TV exploded. But we all know the truth...

It had great graphics and it was a good shooter...but please stop even comparing it with the Holy Grail of Console FPSs..Halo 3..I will be gracious enough to say that the game is one the best shooters that is on the PS3..but that's where it ends..

I won't go farther...Bungie developed the FPS 'Star Wars' trilogy...all have tried..but not have come close..

If you want to spend all day saying..look at the debirs...look at the smoke effects..even listen to the soundtrack (which I absolutely loves)..then you will be right..the game is pretty..

But, it didn't dethrone the kings (Halo and Call of Duty) yet. Maybe, next time though

On topic..the man gave his opinion on what he believed could be done on the 360. And we all know that Guerillla told us they were not capable of even inserting co-op into the game without giving something up..and that's the quality of the graphics. So, talk to us about a 'better' game when they are even able to do Killzone 2 graphics with 4-player co-op campaign.

[nycredude]

Dude we're talking about the graphics now not whether Killzone is better than halo 3. Maybe you should stay on topic.

Xb*ts play games? Where are your games now? It's more like Xb*ts play sales numbers while secretly wishing for Ps3 exclusives to go multiplatform.

[Xbots play games]

Xb*ts play games? Where are your games now? It's more like Xb*ts play sales numbers while secretly wishing for Ps3 exclusives to go multiplatform.

Yawn..Where did I mention sales in my response to his comments..guess your name should be NyCantread. I addressed the graphics..

He asked a question So why didn't Bungie create something as good as Killzone?

I gave him an answer: Halo 3

Sorry..I keep it real so..Believe me when I say..I could care less if ANY PS3 exclusives go Muli..never have never will..so please run along to the other zone and trade insults with the people you claim you are not.

[kws1065]

You can do whatever with your mouth.

[dustgavin]

Let's see...

1. 360 has been out a full year longer than PS3 or Wii
2. None of the 360 games even come close to the quality or graphics on Ps3
3. Microsoft seems to always be on the defense about Sony games

[4Sh0w]

"None of the 360 games even come close to the quality or graphics on Ps3"

Theres plenty of great looking 360 games Gears is obviously one but I dont know maybe its just me but Mass Effect and Bioshock also look great along with plenty of multiplats like RE5 looking amazing, in some areas surpassing everthing imo, I own KZ2 and it looks phenominal but maybe I had unrealistic expectations because I dont think it blows away everything on 360 by a mile the way I hear people on n4g describe its graphics, imo its just a shade bit better but call me crazy cause I still think COD4 looks amazing and comparable to games only a few months old.

1. I still would like those who say its not possible to explain how they know this for sure?

2. Given the fact that historicly newer games on any platform have always continued to improve is it logical to suggest because a game released 2 mo ago has better graphics than older games on anothe platform, then that somehow proves its better hardware?

3. If a guy who's worked on the development of both(Dave Shippy) along with the majority of unbiased analysis says they are equal then why should anybody take the word of a fan saying ps3 is far more superior?

4. Doesn't the CryEngine3 running on 360(ps3 too) which imo graphicaly surpasses anything I've seen on both at least suggest that the 360 is capable of those graphics?

5. If you believe the ps3 IS superior, can you quantify it in simple terms, like obviously its not a huge gap in performance differnce like maybe wii to 360, so are we talking like a ps2 to xbox margin or what? If so then why such a big fuss when obviously to the vast majority of gamers it didn't matter for ps2?

I don't know if anybody will even attempt to give me a common sense reply. I'm just trying see what all the fuss is about and learn why people say these things. Please no fanboy stuff. Thanks.

[Mr Marbles]

you're on N4G looking for a coherent and logical argument, you're expecting someone to communicate with you as a rational thinking adult. I was like that when I first came here, then I realized this site is full of tools for the spread of Sony fud and marketing hype. These people live only to defend a gaming platform, common sense be damned.

You are right, PS3 has yet to prove it is actually more powerful than 360, it has been said that these PS3 exclusives do not run at 1080p and 60 to 120fps even though the 360 is not holding them back. The ps3 is not proving it is more powerful in anyway that can be measured, the numbers do not support the claim that PS3 is all powerful, it has yet to run any games at such high fps or resolutions. The only thing people have to prove the power of the cell is hype, and their opinions that it looks better than anything on 360 or PC by miles.

[nycredude]

Dude Gears is the bgest looking xbox game, Mass effect couldn't run properly, Bioshock, although great atmosphere, is nothing to write home about in the graphics department, and RE5 is RE4 with better graphics, and doesn't even look as good as MGS4. Everyone one of my friends who own 360 and are not fanb*ys tells me they think my Ps3 exclusive games looks higher quality than xbox games they have so I will trust them over you, as I know they are not fanb*ys.

Btw Cod 4 was a great game but amazing graphics, not so much. Obviously you either don't have a Ps3 or you have never play any of the exclusives.

And I would like you to explain to me how this guy, who apparently is an ex-bungie member, who have never made a game even approaching Killzone 2's graphics, can know for sure that it can be done on the 360?

[4Sh0w]

I'm not trying to be rude but I was looking for a actual explanation rather than a one sided opinionated comment. Seriously saying things like Mass Effect didn't run properly is pointless because anyone could point out a flaw with a ps3 game and blame it on hardware capabilities when its just as likely the dev didn't fully optimize the game especially since its over 2 yrs old, but in some cases its probably a little bit of both. The rest of your comments basicly just sounds like you're saying that because you think everything on the ps3 is far better then its a fact.

@ Mr Marbles, theres no need to feel bad for me, reading alot of the comments I was just courious why some think the way they do, is there something wrong than having a coherent debate. I already know fanboys say alot of fake crap, I just thought it was worth a shot for some reasonable answers to my questions. Its OK, I tried.

[Flewid638]

Street Fighter IV slightly better on 360? I don't know about that. If anything, I'd say SFIV is a PHENOMENAL looking game....and IDENTICALY on both platforms. If you're looking for which version has an extra pixel, or jaggie.......well......then... .....you have no life.

[dorron]

A company that works fro X360 exclusively wouldn't admit that platform is inferior...that's obvious.

[Mr Marbles]

Bungie didn't say this, some guy who used to work for them did, he is independent now, he may be working on a PS3 game for his next job.

[Elven6]

You don't even need to read the article, its in the damn title that he is no longer working with Bungie!!!!

[n0w0mann0cry]

A PS3 Fanboy wont admit his paltform is, clearly, inferior. Thats even more obvious.

Plus he doesnt work at Bungie scrub. It's no wonder you cannot read the hardware specs of the PS3 and 360 and make your own calculations, considering you cannot even read the article.

[360_Rules]

You Droids are fools if you think Killzone 2 can't be done on the PS3. I mean Killzone 2 deosn't even have Vehicles in MP unlike Halo 3. I know PS3 can't do Crysis graphics.

[n0w0mann0cry]

THE ONE AND ONLY SINGLE VALID POINT IN THIS ENTIRE FORUM IS

"if the 360 can do it, then why hasnt it"
KZ2 WONT be done on the 360, because Guerilla wont LET IT BE DONE.

And the reason the 360 hasn't produced anything (as ugly as) KZ2, is because KZ2 came out under 2 months ago you scrubs.

You expect 360 devs to create a game that looks stunning, in under 2 months, in response to KZ2. are you stupid? Not to mention, most 360 devs are busy working on gameplay, and not working on promoting the PS3.

[Chippydip]

What, did your panties get wet as soon as KILLZONE ON 360 was mentioned? hahaha.

come on. let the F5 key have a rest, kid. and don't trip over your power brick on your way back to bed. you don't want to get laughed at during recess, do you?

[someanimalsdance]

HUH?, no its just when every SINGLE post in the forum says "if the 360 can run KZ2 why hasnt it?", it gets a little frustrating. It came out 2 months ago, i wouldnt expect a 360 response that fast.

Plus i dont even wear panties, and if i did they would INDEED be wet. I would have wet myself laughing when someone had mentioned KZ2 as a "good looking game". You all need to roll Uncharted.

the f5 key what?

[sleewok]

Hilarious, and one of the most stupid statements I have heard in quite some time.

Sure, if you only consider programming for the graphics card and the Cell's PPE this may be true. But consider the SPEs available makes this another story.

"The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs. " - http://arstechnica.com/old/...

[strickers]

I'm getting sick of this.I have all 3 consoles but 360 fans need to stop deluding themselves.IF the 360 could run KZ it would have by now.MS have more money than god,It's easier to program and it's a year further on with development.PS3 is hard and expensive to develop for.Stop buying the crap MS is peddling.We've had Sony slated for ages but it looks like they were telling the truth all along.The PS3 is the most powerful console,deal with it.The 360 will have many great games to come but at the end of the day if you love tech progession(I do)the PS3 will be leading the charge.Uncharted 2,Heavy Rain,Killzone and Infamous all look much better than equivilent games on 360.

[n0w0mann0cry]

hey little buddy, you accidentally forgot to read the posts above yours! OOPS!.

If the 360 could run KZ2, it WOULD NOT HAVE by now. Because it is an exclusive and they are not allowed to make Killzone for the 360. /pat. The PS3 isnt stronger, but dont beleive me! why dont you look up the specifications of both systems yourself! You have taken introductory math right? you should be able to figure out the numbers! YAY!. Oh and hey there little guy, Uncharted2, Heavy Rain, and Infamous are all games that have not been released. But you get a gold sticker for assuming they will be better than all 360 games!

[Guitardr85]

@n0w0mann0cry

I think the guy above you meant a game with the same capabilities as Killzone 2. I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to actually think that he literally meant MS publishing a version of K2!!!

Tell me if I'm wrong!

[OhMyGandhi]

right. because halo 3 was such a good looking game....

[Phantom_T]

Do people always jump on the "IT CANT BE DONE COS ITS AN EXCLUSIVE DUR"
I think people mean when they say "cannot be done" that they do not expect a game that can match it in every aspect.
Jesus Christ,have some common sense.

[KingKionic]

wow..over 300 comments,its just a dev talking about what they think they can do.

[Argento-Nox]

KionicWarlord222, you just said the key word. That key word is what a ex-bungie dev "thinks" is possible on the 360. That's a huge difference from actually fulfilling those developer comments.

[Argento-Nox]

Even the KZ team couldn't do the graphics exactly like their initial pre-rendered video from several years (amazing graphics nonetheless), so how am I to trust an ex-bungie dev who had nothing to do with KZ2, nor has even seen the actual KZ engine at work?

I really like how Christian Allen mentions in one of his answers, that he wouldn't shy away from a PS3 game now, he could technically join the KZ team and fit in quite well considering the company he used to work for.

If KZ2 is possible on the 360, that's great and all, but we'd all have to see it with our own eyes first to believe it (actual action supercedes plain talk in this case). A better question would be how many disc it would be on?

[W1ldWolf]

and it would only have 8 vs 8 multiplayer. ;)

[Bullseye]

i don't believe the PS3 is capable of running KZ2,properly anyway! Have you played it? In some areas, it's nothing short of crap.It can be painfully slow in some situations and that annoying,oh so annoying lag effect is just too much.And as for the online, forget,it just forget it.Programming in assembly as i did way back in the eight bit days, i truly believe i know why, that 'lag effect' exists, and if i'm right, it proves my case above.The 360, would almost certainly be able to give an improved version, minus a few effects maybe.Of course, i'm not trying to deny KZ2 is a good game,just not a great one, in my opinion.

[jkhan]

With all due respect, I have no clue which areas you are talking about. I have played Killzone 2 campaign twice & I am starting my 3rd go on elite today and in all seriousness the slow down is hardly noticeable in intense firefights. Yes there are the obvious hiccups during save points but thats like the max i saw was 5 secs.
By the way this statement is coming from a person whose own game couldn't even run in 720p with mediocre graphics. The only thing good about halo 3 graphics tech was it's lightening which still good, can't touch Killzone 2 lightening system.

[boss_killa]

former bungie employee matt douchebag confirms halo 3 could be done one the playstation 2. yup, that's right, the PS two.

[Morgue]

Then put your money where you're mouth is and develope a game for the 360 that looks better than KZ2 and sorry COD Modern Warfare 2 doesn't count since it's multi-platform. I play KZ2 online for hours on end and I am still amazed at what is going on on screen while playing. And for anyone to still be denying this game/developers credit for what they have created then you shouldn't even call yourself a gamer and go back to playing your lack luster Halo3 or Gears. Like I've always said. Gears showcases what the 360 can do in terms of it's power and the amount of time Epic put in too it and KZ2 represents what the PS3 is capable of doing and then some.

[shaz73]

Killzone 2 would have looked much better on the original playstation. It's that rubbish it shouldn't have been made.

[dustgavin]

I bet you felt like such a cool person while typing that.

[redsquad]

That comment was completely devoid of sense and logic.

[jonli1]

wow most u guys who think that killzone 2 can't be done on 360 then why don't u prove us wrong first stop talking smack second if anyone can why don't make the game killzone 2 on the 360 if some say it can't because off this and that then prove to all off us wrong sony fan jerks

[Nova-Black-Fox]

i love these things but not to full extent maybe dumbed down but not too much

[Trebius]

Until a developer for 360 makes a game that looks as good as the PS3 exclusives being pumped out...and stops bragging that the multiplat games look "slightly" better on the 360...then no one is going to take their comments with a grain of salt.

[W1ldWolf]

lol, then why does a game like Halo 3 look like garbage compared to the top games on the ps3... until I see a game with as many multiplayer slots as the ps3 can do I don't give a darn what the xbox can do. another pos article from HHG.. boycott this damn site already

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Poor droids

[aiphanes]

A game like Killzone 2 on the Xbox 360...God of war 3 and Uncharted 2 can never be done on the Xbox 360 also...

What is comming out this year on the Xbox 360...that will blow away God of war 3, Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 and FF13? Nothing...

Remember FF13 will comming to the PS3 first in Japan hopefully this year. The Xbox 360 version might be as good and it might not....we will have to see.

Gears of War 2 is about the best we will ever get on the Xbox 360...until GEars of War 3!

[Stationfan]

Weve already seen there flagship titles that were supposed to be the end of all graphics and gameplay, and quite frankly they didnt cut it.

I guess we will never know for the reason that Microsoft is relying too much on multiplatform games.

But ill put Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Heavy rain, future Guerilla titles, against any 360 game now and in the future.

Even though our exclusives dont get the recognition and hype of 360 games our exclusive tend to be bigger, in every form and fashion. Online of Offline. FACT

[Jaces]

Everybody can make accusations all they want about certain exclusives not being able to be done on the opposite system, it really doesn't matter seeing how those certain exclusives will not be ported over, ever.

This whole article is obsolete because GG's not going to let KZ2 be ported over to the 360 anytime soon (no point in analyzing if a game can be done if it's not even coming to the system), so the fanboys can talk all they want but in the end everyone's a freaking moron.

Congratulations guys.

[Lavagasm]

Has anybody looked at Halo 3? It looks like absolute sh*t! Bungie themselves don't know how to push the system graphically, why would they think anybody else could?

When they make a game that is even close to some of the games out there for the 360 in the terms of physics and graphics, then they can tell me what games can and can't be done. Until then they should shut the f*ck up.

[sniddles]

b/c it uses the deferred rendering engine, which was TAILORED to the PS3's strengths.

Even on the developers circles i've been to, no one thinks that deferred rendering is a very good approach when considering the 360's hardware.

Granted, something similar could be done, and that's not to say the 360 couldn't run a deferred rendering engine. BUT, consensus is that the PS3 is way better suited for a DR engine.

SO, it could be done, but, it wouldn't be as good. There's a reason why so many 360 games look the same (UE, etc.) It's typically only thought of in a typical forward rendering manner.

[earwax]

Maybe THEN it would sell

[LostDjinn]

I think that says it all.

[Cure]

ask yourself this question. If it can...then why has no game on the 360 even come close to the quality and graphical awesomeness of KZ2?

my point exactly

im done. Thank you for coming out

[n0w0mann0cry]

BECAUSE KZ2 CAME OUT LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO YOU SCRUB

Do you seriously expect a MS developer to develop a game that looks better than KZ2 in under 2 months, in response?

HOWEVER that IS NOT EVEN relevant, because it is YOUR OPINION that KZ2 looks good(better), it is not a FACT. I could JUST AS EASILY say, "when is the PS3 gonna have a Killer APP like GEARS2?". It looks 20x better, runs better, higher FPS, higher texture res. ETC. UNLIKE YOU, whom just gives an incredibly arbitrary and ambiguous "KZ2 looks better".

Before posting ANYTHING in response to this, remember that i will simply copy and paste it right back at you.

So please dont say "KZ2 looks better" i will say "GEARS2 looks better". Dont tell me that i am "blind" because i will tell you that you are "blind". Dont quote a developer saying the PS3/Cell is "stronger", because i will quote a developer saying the 360 is "stronger".
-Then and THEN only will you understand that everything you say is opinionated and that i can just as easily say it back with the same amount of certainty and validity.

In addition to mimicking your post, i will include the facts that.... the 360 has sold more units, has sold more games, has better online, has a better controller, has more AAA titles, has more general processing power, has a better GPU, has 48 unified pipelines, has unified memory, is easier to develop for, etc, etc,etc

Then maybe you will understand that graphics ARENT everything, and that even if they were... the PS3 would still FAIL.

then you will say, "BLU-RAY" and we will all laugh at you, because blu-ray is doing HORRIBLE in the market right now (look it up)

[Jaces]

Hey looky there,

your one of those morons I was talking about, thanks for proving my point.

[someanimalsdance]

Your right, statements of fact are moronic. Congratulations on ignoring my post. I would expected a stupid person to have at least criticized my reasoning. I wonder what that makes you?

So why exactly am i a moron? Considering i wasnt responding to your POST, exactly which POINT of yours am i proving. Furthermore how am i proving it?

Are you telling me that MS developers SHOULD have developed a better looking game in under 2 months?

Are you saying the 360 hasnt sold more units?
it hasnt sold more games?
it doesnt have more critically acclaimed titles?
it doesnt have 48 unified pipelines
it doesnt have unified memory?
are you saying that no developer has ever said the XENON processor was stronger?
are you saying that the 360 isnt easier to develop for?
are you saying it doesnt have a better gpu?

Because ironically enough, not only are these all facts, but they are recognized by the majority of PS3 Fanboys. So im a little hazy on how that makes me a "moron"

I guess just spamming every messageboard with "KZ2 LOOKS BETTER, PS3 PWNS 360" is more of what you were looking for? Well excuse me for not raising myself to that profound level.

So i guess all in all, your also proving my point. That your average PS3 gamer not only knows nothing about his system, how it works, and how successful it is, but has an average IQ lower than the PS3's share of the market.

[Jaces]

Maybe you should actually read my post next time, M O R O N.

[Stationfan]

Let the games speak for themsleves, right now Killzone 2 has the floor

[Chippydip]

well put

[Coffin87]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL OF COURSE THE BUNGIE CHEF CONFIRMS THIS!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE LAUGH OF MY DAY!!!!!

developers making total FREAKIN IDIOTS out of themselves never gets old.
especially the MS devs these days... man this is madness! xDDDD

[onijutsu]

it makes me sad

that on this useless article had reaches more than 1000 degrees, why do you have to bother mindlessly defending. i mean most of you aren't even putting out constructive comments, its fair enough you put your opinion, but just because its you opinion doesn't mean you can say anything.

"no offense, but your a douche"
see it just doesn't work like that.

[Chippydip]

no offense, but you're a douche

[Fakes]

The day the 360 releases anything with better graphics and scale then kz2 ,then these idiot fangirls can run their mouths.

[Chippydip]

this is almost too obvious. KILLZONE VS HALO. way to perpetuate fanboyism.

[Chippydip]

Maybe the statement would hold some weight if it was A GUERRILLA GAMES EMPLOYEE WHO SAID THAT and not THE OPPOSITION. lmao.

[xg-ei8ht]

NIGHT_HAWK3210

Strange that, My m8 plays Resistance 2 all the time and it's packed out.

someanimalsdance

Alot of the things you said in your post are fact, but they do not mean alot.

Cell is alot more powerful then xenon. FACT.
Cell was created so that most parts of a game that would need to be calculated by GPU, could be offloaded to the SPU'S.
Cell was also made as a kicka$$ Number cruncher for hd vids among other things.

I remember some numbers posted by M$ and a few forum members stating how powerful the 360 gpu was. And that RSX was nothing. And all those numbers were guestimates.

I remember the splinter cell guys said 360 can handle better a.i then PS3. I laughed so hard when that was stated, and my point has been proven so many times they were wrong.

Of course graphics is subjective. Because it's art.

I look at the mona lisa. Does nothing for me.

I look at the 16th chapel and i'm inspired and moved.

Some would see it the other way i'm sure.

Same with gears and killzone2.

But if you think gears has higher quality textures, you'd be wrong. If you think gears has better lighting, you'd be wrong. If you think gears has better a.i. You'd be wrong again. These are not opinions./ These i'm afraid are FACTS.

Because if you'd played KILLZONE2 on a big tv. When you get to the bridge and all hell is breaking loose. Those are the best graphics i've ever seen in any video game anywhere, and i've basically seen them all.

Every top PC title i've played.
Every top 360 title i've played.
Every top PS3 title i've played.

Ask and i'll answer.

[OhMyGandhi]

oh god, someone mentioned resistance 2's mp?
that crap was retarded, reminded me of some bs form of quake 3: arena.

[OhMyGandhi]

oooh, the phantom disagree-er....

[pixelsword]

Those games were called Halo 2 and Halo 3, and they failed both times.

Halo 3 wasn't even HD.

I'm not saying it's not possible to do it, but what I am saying is get someone who actually made a game up to par graphically with Killzone 2 on the 360, as Bungie as a whole and this developer specifically lacks proof for that claim.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Bubbles.

[Kyur4ThePain]

"It can't be done on the 360 because it is exclusive to the PS3...nur nur nur".

Nobody is talking about the game KZ2 per se, you brain dead idiots. It's referring to a game similar to KZ2, graphically and technically.
Until a game is released on the 360 that can compare to KZ2 on those grounds, it is fair to say it can't be done.

[MatriXcian]

Listen its rather obvious that Killzone 2 CAN NOT be done on the 360 and heres why. Xbox has been out from a year to a year and a half longer than the PS3 yet the PS3 has already surpassed the 360 graphically , In all honesty 360 has already been passed before KZ2 came out with MGS4 (was said to have best graphics of all consoles read reviews). This in itself shows that the 360 is WAY underpowered and cannot handle Most PS3 exclusives not to mention numerous Devs have been ON RECORD saying that developing for the 360 has held them back Ex. Rockstar this in itself shows the PS3 is superior.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Confirms? no,but i will go with it.More like speculates that it can be done.Confirmation/Speculation- very different.If seeing is believing then let us see.

[DHAV0K]

i never thought ps2 could push out a game as visually stunning as the first halo (back in 2001 those graphics were top notch)...

back to topic....i admit that KZ2 is visually amazing but i do not like the gameplay. IMO, its slow. ive been playing halo since its inception, online using XBC, so for those that say halo is slow, i guess im just used to it. call me a fanboy w.e ur reason is but i thought playstation gamers didnt care so much about graphics?? all of a sudden they do??

[DHAV0K]

KZ2 is being compared, like any other FPS, to halo3 when halo3 has been out what seems like forever! for a "halo killer" its not selling like hot cakes! c'mon! its "thee" FPS to get and it wont get anywhere near the sales figures halo has achieved.