2007 - Sony PS3 sells 8.83 million, XBOX 360 sells 7.3 million

Today sony released its Q3 figures showing sales of 4.90 million units worldwide.

The total for 2007 is now 8.83 million units, taken from official Sony numbers

Official Sony Source: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

According to Gamespot, Microsoft's tally for 2007 was 7.3 million units.

Gamespot Source: http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6184291.html

[TheExecutive]

although i would like to participate in this flame war I think I will just sit back relax and watch people copy and paste.

Have fun!

[solar]

ill drink one for ya Ex :D oh, and my avatar has a flame resistant suit on, so im good :P

[mazirjones]

you can change something aesthetically, but the original "core" always lingers on, an "undying shadow in a world of lights"->(anyone know where thats from??). Oh, and these are just general thoughts on life...nothing specific.

[f7ss1]

wow they really werent kidding when they said this section of the boards would be heavliy moderated

[INehalemEXI]

Lol, Its like Hamburger hill up there.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Wow . . . this is actually really impressive. With 2008 shaping up to be a hell of a year for the PS3, I can easily see them overtaking the 360 this year.

[The_Engineer]

the massacre in that first post predicted by yours truly OVER a year ago.........xuknowho's are like children who wont listen so you have to let them learn on their own.

[Sangheili85]

Sony had the advantage of multiple price drops and new SKU's and being the new console on the block. I'll give it that. I'm impressed considering 360 had Halo3 and others.

I'll wait for official numbers from Microsoft before i go congratulating Sony.

[shotputking]

i think it would be wise to wait for more reliable sources... this is using sony for thier numbers, and gamespot for the 360 numbers.

[crck]

Gamespot just did the math. MS said they shipped 10.4 million units by the end of 2k6. They said recently they shipped 17.7 units from launch til the end of 2k7. 17.7 - 10.4 = 7.3. Its not that hard kids.

[The_Engineer]

when will children learn??

corporations can't lie about numbers sold, they would get in major trouble and be prosecuted for fraud.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Better put your aluminized flameproof suit kids.

Anyway, is it fair to compare Sony official numbers and Gamespot numbers? Why not official SONY numbers VS official MS numbers? Or why don't get both from *Gamespot? Why don't get both by taking NPD (America) + GfK (Europe) + MediaCreate (Japan)?

I really don't give a crap who sold better, wii crucified both and we are going into a mini-games market... Weeeeee! ¬¬'

EDIT: Typo, where the '*' is, there was 'MS', but was intended to be 'Gamespot', my bad.

[damnwrx]

Slowly but,surely.

[karlostomy]

Let's assume the figures quoted are, in fact, accurate.
(I love it when companies release Official figures)

The ps3 has been outselling the 360 by 1530000 units this year.That is 29423 units per week.

Now, follow these simple calculations:
17.7 million 360 sold - 10.49 million ps3 sold = 7.21 xbox360 lead.
therefore:
7210000/29423 = 4.71 years

Hence if the ps3 continues to outsell the 360 by 29423 units per week, EVERY week (!) it will take 4.71 years for the ps3 to catch up in sales to the 360. For those of use who are mathematically challenged this will mean that the 360 retains its lead until ...
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.
wait for it..
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... September 2012 !

People...
The above calculations are based on official sales figures by both companies. I ain't telling you anything which isn't already there.

Of course, MSG4, KZ2 and such will have a positive impact on ps3 sales in 2008, that is true. But I don't believe that MS will idly sit by and watch its lead disintegrate... I can feel a big price drop coming.

2008 is going to be a great year in the console debate!

[trancefreak]

I'm rooting for both consoles to do great Sony and ms doesn't put money in my pocket and this whole competitive game market is only good for us the consumer with price drops and great games to play. It was only a matter of time for Sony to pick up steam but hats off to ms also this console generation Ive had many hours of fun with the 360 and now the ps3 is my primary game unit next to my PC. this last holiday season was awesome to be a gamer.

[TheExecutive]

what?!?!? you dont get paid by MS or Sony? You are definitely at the wrong site! N4g.com is loaded with people that are paid by Sony and MS, or at least they act that way.

[EZCheez]

I'm paid by Insomniac to hype their games specifically.

Any pro Sony comments from me on this site cost Kaz $50.

Just kidding by the way.

And you're absolutely right trancefreak. Competition makes better and cheaper products. When that happens, we all win.

[NEO_X]

Competition is very much needed in order for the game biz to have the initiative to put out top dollar blood sweat and tears effort into their games which is exactly why a unified console would kill videogames complete, thats kinda what happened in the 80's when games almost died

[r3xmund1]

Yep Yep, this is gunna be another great year for gaming. i mean Oct 06 to Oct/Nov 07 was awesomness (BioShock, Halo 3, Gears, CoD4, PS3 Launch, Drakes, Motorstorm, RFOM!)

But this year we should see it hot up even more!! wootage,

Bring on the flames I got the burgers and ribs that need cookin!

[SRuN4]

*grabs popcorn*

this is going to get good..

[SoulReaper]

Sony did say they sold at least 9 million ps3 world wide last year...Which is awesome since they didn't even released the big games yet..They probably sell another 10 million this year..

[InfectedDK]

That just shows that the PS3 definitely will overtake the 360 in the near future.. No secret why, ofcourse of the 08 being Sony's year..

[Cwalat]

this isn't worldwide 1 year sales....

only 1 year in U.S and Japan, rest of the world has 4 months left...
so yeah, we will see by then...

[lawman1108]

Consider the source

[Panthers]

the source is official and they can not lie about their numbers. That would be illegal.

[beoulve]

lawman doesn't know the law, how ironic.

[The_Engineer]

is just some bitter ahole who has made the console war his personal vendetta.. pathetic creatures really.

[SlappyMcTaint]

Take that, you PS3-haters! Xbawx this. Xbawx that!! Xbawx will outsell t3h everything on t3h earth.

Shut up and have fun with your RROD.

[Vulcan Raven]

Good for Sony. I find it hard to believe that microsoft only sold that many with halo 3. Well hopefully sony can close the gap with some good exclusives.

[lawman1108]

If the 360 stops selling and stops selling in the USA

[mistertwoturbo]

Lawman. Final Fantasy XIII. Metal Gear Solid 4. Gran Turismo 5. Resistance 2. Killzone 2.

That's all sony needs to catch up to the 360 in the U.S. Believe it.

[angel604]

looks like lawman wont be putting in his two cents anymore..since he only has two bubbles..anyway if this is true, than it is a surprise to me i thought 360 sold like 10 mil this year

[Petraeus]

This "we quote shipped" " wait, no we quote sold to users" "no wait, we quote sold to retail" is getting old.

What are these numbers? Sold to retail or sold to user? The Christmas numbers were sold to retailers...so what are these?

[niall77]

and at this years CES they had 17.7 million

the facts are facts people and the fact is the 360 only sold over 7 million

[resistance100]

So that puts VG charts near enough spot on, on ps3 sales so far.

As sony sold just under a million before 2007 in america and japan i believe.

[zambrota]

VGCHARTZ reported that SONY sold 8.7 million ps3s in 2007

which is off by atleast 500,000 to 800,000 in my book con sidering the fact that ps3s were sold out in some parts of europe in 2007.

I think SONY sold 9.2- 9.3m ps3s by dec,2007

so VG is off by around 500 000 units

[resistance100]

Still thats preatty impressive for a free service to get that close imo

[CeruleanSky]

"Still thats preatty impressive for a free service to get that close imo"

The only reason vgchartz.com is only undertracking the PS3 by roughly 500k is because the is as much as they can get away with. It use to be much, much worse. Last year they had the 360 numbers some two million high and the PS3 significantly lower than even low estimates for worldwide sales.

Vgchartz is run by a Xbox fan named ioi that has been banned in most forums for spreading crap.

Vgchartz game basically comes down to using the Others category to inflate 360 sales worldwide as much as plausible and undertrack PS3 sales numbers. As more and more people have learned where to get access to reliable European sales figures, vgchartz has been forced, kicking and screaming, to fix their numbers and dramatically raising the PS3 worldwide numbers and bringing down the 360 numbers.

[zambrota]

no offense to Xbox fans but yes "IOI" is also an AVID XBOX supporter.

IOI is a very good friend of SIREN --another XBOX supporter who used to be the MOD at PS3FORUMS . However he was kicked out when the ADMINS found out.

IOI's friends also former MS emplyees and MODS at NEOGAF like AMIR0X got into some sort of quarrel and launched their websites.

BUT yes it is true that they all were XBOX supporters . It is still a mystery as to where they got the money to launch websites. Just like some other sites like NEXTGENWARS Vgchartz also guesstimates their numbers . They barely track any retail sales.

Some Vgchartz numbers are very laughable eg OTHER sales where xbox beats ps3??? (considering other region is made up mostly by middle eastern countries and a US product beating the Jap product there is simply hilarious)

Vgchartz German numbers are also way off. There is no way ps3 and xbox 360 sales be that close in Germany . Look at German retailers chartz and amazon germany for anecdotal sales evidence.

VGchartz were wrong on Australian sales where ps3 actually outsold x360 in 2007.

Vgchartz are also wrong in UK numbers . PS3 actually beats x360 in terms of HW sales . Look into Amazon UK,HMV (biggest UK retailer) for anecdotal sales evidence

[rofldings]

Well, he certainly looks like a tool.

http://vgchartz.com/avatars...

(If that's him)

[FirstknighT]

...I don't know where you get your facts but it always looks like you make them up.

"I think SONY sold 9.2- 9.3m ps3s by dec,2007"

Sony just released a statement saying that they are hoping to hit about 9.5 million by 7/08.

http://uk.reuters.com/artic...

[resistance100]

That only includes sales from April 07 to March 08, so that takes out about 2-2.5million ps3s out.

Edit - Its appears i've lost a bubble for i don't know what :S dam fanboys lol

[TheExecutive]

I guarantee at least 50 comments not suitable for human consumption.

[WilliamRLBaker]

lol agreed which is why its so fun....what people dont know or wont believe is i dont care either way lol i own all the systems but when i get bored i come here to fight.

fighting online might be like being in the special olympics but its fun as hell!

[TheExecutive]

I recon being in the special olympics would be fun also... ask cartman lol

[EZCheez]

Concerning Blu-ray and HD-DVD:

WilliamRLBaker-"I own neither format and never will DVD works fine for me."

Which is it man? PLEASE stop talking as if you own a PS3 because you keep contradicting yourself on this website.

[The_Engineer]

I was just thinking the same thing "look at this william r baker turd trying to backpedal to a neutral position. After relieving his bodily fluids on the PS3 for the past year.

two faced people, gotta love em....lol

[niall77]

fanboys go there now

[Panthers]

I have a hard time believing that the PS3 did better than the 360, but if so then great. If these numbers are true, then I would love to see the number at the end of 08. Huge titles are going to drive it.

[travelguy2k]

It would be hard to see, but since NA is only 1/3rd of the PS3 intall base it stands to reason that everywhere else tends not to agrre with you.

But from the NA point of view, you are spot on.

[Genuine]

Your not the only one having a hard time believing this. Sony had 3 straight monthes in which they sold less than 100k in N.A., and was brutally outsold by 360 every month this year in the largest gaming region in the world.
The only way that I can see this happening, is if sony flooded the retail sector with over-stock. MS done it in '06, and that's what sony has very likely done this year. What did sony say a few monthes ago, that they projected 15 mil ps3's to be sold by March. And now the same day they release their numbers, they changed their 15mil projection to 9 mil. Sounds to me like they over flooded the retail sector to boost their numbers.

[Panthers]

Well I thought Sony reported numbers sold to consumers. Either way, Sony started picking up big time towards the end of the year. Japan numbers alone make up for the NA gap. That just leaves PAL and Sony sells more there.

[Genuine]

Nah, sony and MS both use sold to retailer numbers. VGC reported on this a few weeks ago.

[robbo918]

Sony lowered the number from 11 million to 9 million projection by March, yet you turned 11 million into 15 million???

[PStriple703]

good for sony wonder how 08 will turn out

[INehalemEXI]

So many good games in the line up its only going to get better. We going Home in spring!

[g4n]

US number (i bet) will show the 360 ahead, but Japan and most of EU really dont care about the 360 and all the FPS crap "most" US 360 owners care about.

i too dont care about all the FPS mindless crapp, but i do own a 360, i have blue dragon, and ffxi installed on the HDD. ill buy lost oddessy next month.. 3 games ppl, 3 games..

do you still wonder why the PS3 has better overall sales? it's only good for one genre, and only the US like all that FPS crap...

[TheHater]

I am actually in the US, and I don't like all that FPS crap. I am more of an JRPG gamer, but I play all type of games. but mostly JRPG.

[HCS]

but what are TWO of the biggest games that sony camp is waiting on to leave the competition in the dust?????????????

Resistance 2 and Killzone 2, hypocrisy at it's finest.

Just to break it down, their fps too.

*edit*

why the disagrees?????? you aint looking forward to killzone 2 and resistance 2 now????? hahahahahahah

[TheHater]

Well most of the people I know personally and I play online with, are waiting for White Knight Story, Final Fantasy, Little Big Planet, and Metal Gear Solid 4. I am personally waiting for White Knight Story, Final Fantasy, Infamous, Little Big Planet, and Resistance 2.

Edit: I didn't agree, or Disagree with you. I just answer you question. Someone else disagree with you, and someone agree with you.

[kevin1122]

the only problem with that hcs is sony offers variety while microsoft is only looked at for fps.

[zambrota]

you are not supposed to use SONY FANBOYS/DROIDS or words like those in GAME ZONE

You are hence reported as OFFENSIVE

[beoulve]

genuine, if you want to make comment like that, take it to open zone.

[zambrota]

in GAME ZONE

you cant use those in here too.

Your comments match exactly those of William and Wageslave. Are you hiding your other accounts ?

anyway you cant use offensive words like SONY FANBOYS/DROIDS/F*** in here

You are again reported

[Guitarded]

Seeing they are all JRPG's, how many JRPG's do you have on your PS3? Did you try Eternal Sonata? I liked it better than Blue Dragon. Anyway, If anyone wanted to play current gen JRPG's, like you, they need a 360 at least for now. So I will wait to purchase a PS3 until it's $200 or has a game I just can't live without. Like ES:Oblivion when I bought my 360. Not a western RPG, but any exceptional game that I "can't" wait to play. I have not seen that game yet. So I wait....

[CBaoth]

As an American gamer we all don't live and die by the FPS. Yes, I do own COD4, UT3, and OB - but those are 3 quality titles (and UT3 has an excellent 3PP patch). But I also own several non-FPS games and naturally prefer the 3PP over FPS. And it just wasn't Americans who bought Halo. AND if we check the numbers, it's suprising how many copies of COD4 sold in the EU (on PS3) vs. American sales of (PS3) COD4. I wonder about Resisitance now too. Seems US gamers aint the only ones who buy FPS.

[Wraith001]

i like the racing, rts and rpg on my 360 as well as fps, y peeps always say the 360 is jus for that when it isnt!

[resistance100]

Well games wise 360 had the big upper hand but still came 1.5million units short.

Now the tables have turned and PS3 has more big name franchises. expect ps3 to outsell 360 by closer to 3million imo if not more this year

[masterg]

3 Millions is not close I think.
After the heavy hitters show up starting with MSG4 and the GT5P,KZ2,RFOM2,LBP,FF13,Motors torm2 plus an expected $100 price-cut the PS3 sales with double what they were last year.

I don't see the 360 doing better this year than last even with a $100 price-cut.

[The Killer]

thanks in advance!

i google it and found out 1.6 million sold in 2006

8.8 + 1.6 = 10.4 millions ps3 sold so far!

not bad at all, they reached this number much faster than 360! i remember 360 reach 10M in spring to summer of 2007!

[resistance100]

They reached 1million units sold in jan, so my guess is just under 1million, remember they had massive shortages in japan and america at launch

[kingOVsticks]

the PS3 sold is still around 8.8 mill no where near 10.4 mill if it was sony wouldn't have lowered their sale goal from 11 mill to 9.5 mill but all in all the PS3 outsold the 360 world wide in its launch year and second year. Why doesn't the media dwell on that? Besides the PS3 only flaw, the Price. I blame the da economy and that hipity hop music >_<

[The Killer]

that mean it starts from 2007 april and finish 2008 march 31!

so they didnt include 2006 sales with the first quarter on 2007, that is Q3 and Q4 of 2006 was not included!

thats what i believe! if am wrong please correct me guys but bring evidence for ur info!
thanks

[Diselage]

well from doing a google search it seems that xbox reached 10 million in 16 months. Really not that much faster.

[robbo918]

X360 did it while only competing with PS2. PS3 did it while up against X360 and Wii. I applaud both systems but if you want to compare facts lets compare facts.

[rofldings]

So does this mean the lifetime sales of PS3 on vgchartz is wrong?

[Eamon]

The sales is due to the ridiculously over-large Sony fanbase in Europe waiting for its price to fall down.

Because of the price, delay and not having improved graphics than the 360, a chunk of the Sony fans "defected" to 360 or Wii.

You know, if Sony had launched its PS3 with a cheaper price then the PS3 would be this new gen's dominator.

Shows you how important "price" is in the gaming industry.

[Meus Renaissance]

I completely agree. If they had launched with this new price system the PlayStation 3 would be challenging the Wii in sales.

[cmrbe]

be challenging the wii sales wise and have the wii's life span as well. Imagine if they did took out blu and a install a conventional CPU. I for one am extremely glad Sony had the foresight.

[Eamon]

@crmbe: That's the irony behind it. People are thinking that the Wii is a fad and won't last long to lack of worth-the-price (even if cheap) games. So, "it's better to sell slowly for a long time than to sell a lot for a short time than die out."

Only the future will tell if the Wii really succeeded or not.

[cmrbe]

I would be impress. I am not saying the wii is a fad BTW. What i am saying the wii is not future proof like the PS3.

[robbo918]

But personally I feel Wii is a fad, a crazy extreme fad but still a fad. They don't have a ton of games coming out that are "amazing" this year and the graphics are last gen versus both PS3 and X360 being this gen. Who knows though, maybe it will continue to do what its doing, which is shocking the world IMO. I also don't think either MS or Sony game planned much for the Wii.

Personally I am glad X360 and Wii are doing as well as they are, this challenges Sony to work harder all the time on their product which means I as a Sony fan benefit.

[Jack Bauer]

360 only sells well in the US... PS3 sells mediocre in all countries...

PS3 sold like 2.8 mill in the US, when the 360 prolly sold well over 6... PS3 is geared towards more markets so it sells more...not to mention ~ 8 million people already owned 360s before the PS3 even came out, so the 360s market was smaller relative to people looking at game consoles.

[robbo918]

Their market wasn't smaller, yes they actually had competition in the Wii and PS3 I agree, but the market for this gen is still wide open. There are a LOT of PS2 owners sitting around (and a couple Xbox original) that haven't moved over. X360 could have tried to pull some of the PS2 fans to convert (and they probably got some I admit), but PS2 is still selling very well. Eventually PS3 or X360 have to gather in some of that base (or the Wii but why trade out PS2 graphics for PS2 graphics on a Wii???).

[Bender]

Even MORE good news for the PS3! Its starting to get ridiculous!

[actas123]

If u think about it, 360 did not do that bad. I mean with horrible defective rate ( worse than the first telephone rate), crappy DVD drive, less data processing power, no hard drive, no wireless, no internet browser, no rechargeable controllers, only 3 good exclusive games.... they did pretty good.

[TheHater]

While I do agree with you that the 360 did good. you have to look at the numbers more carefully. The only good region the 360 actually did good in was in North America. Every where else, it isn't doing so good. North America Make up half of the 360 install base, while the PAL region and Japan make up the other half.

[joemomma]

Nope they failed miserably. They relied on halo like they did with the original xbox and got the same result as before.

[Ikanago]

...to look at global sales as an indication for how well a given system is doing and not just focus on one territory.

If you go by most of the US gaming press, PS3 is in lots of trouble.

While it is true that 360 sells better than PS3 in America, these statistics at least show that the PS3 is doing just fine worldwide.

[Eamon]

I would say that this result is almost entirely due to the fanbase of the successful PS2. Without the PS2's grand success, the PS3 would be seriously struggling by now.

[Meus Renaissance]

The PS3 doesn't deserve to be struggling in any way. It's a great platform and a great piece of technology; the negatives associated with the machine are only due to the launch price.

So I'm glad it's selling, it deserves some positive recognition after a horrid year in the media.

[Adamalicious]

I think it's possible that Sony knew what they were doing by having a pretty slow first year - they did the same with the PS2. It's better to build momentum than to start out with a lot and have it steadily taper off - in other words "nowhere to go but up" can be more favorable than "nowhere to go but down". The PS2 started even slower than the PS3 then picked more and more steam until it just dominated, but it certainly didn't dominate right out of the gate. Time will tell which strategy prevails - should be interesting either way.

[cmrbe]

Thats what most of us PS fans been saying but not one listen. One of the biggest asset in favor for the PS3 is the PS2 userbase which at least is 100 million strong. As we can see from these figures. The PS3 preforms consistently across all regions and the key to that is having varied games for different gamers of different taste in different regions.This is something that MS unfortunately still haven't learned. Can someone please confirm if these figures for the x360 this year is correct. I am still having a hard time believing them

[joemomma]

It looks like even with "no games: the ps3 owned the 360. Now i can apprpriatle say

*bltchslaps 360*

[jwatt]

I think the ps3 is just getting warmed up too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[Vash_The_Stampede]

That video was tight. I almost cried, lol. PS3 FTW

[RelloC_ReBorn]

seriously amazing video bro. props man.

[Marceles]

Sia breathe me + ps3 montage pwnage, nice vid jwatt

[cjp4eva]

@jwatt DAMMNNNN NICE VID, makes me wanna buy another ps3 for the hell of it :)

[HCS]

brand name recognition

[GurlPlease]

And this means????

Hunny, I dont understand why folks keep up with this mess.

[cmrbe]

not good for MS if these figures are correct. I do remember though that Bill himself said they sold/shipped 10 or 11 mill after x360's frist year. So these figures for x360 might actually be correct.

[vloeistof]

way to go sony

[Petraeus]

doesn't mean it really happened except in your world :)

[power of Green]

Still found a way of posting these bull numbers from a blog lol.

[Eamon]

@POG: I understand Sony but GS is considered to be a reliable source. If you consider IGN and GS as not reliable sources then I doubt there would be any reliable sources (according to your rules) on the net.

But anyway, I think 2008 will determine the leader of this new gen.
Last Gen the Xbox lagged a bit behind under the PS2. Who's to say that the PS3 may just be a little behind or even at side with 360.

Only time will tell.

[robbo918]

PoG loves IGN and GS (and a few others) until they post something he disagrees with then he jumps in with the hate. Oddly though his/her posts have been pretty mature as of late, I was almost becoming shocked at the change.

[Petraeus]

real customer sell through numbers....not this sold to retailers garbage.

[darkshiz]

That is sold to consumers lmao.

[Bladestar]

only one million more?
We are talking about the all powerful Playstation brand which over undreds of millions installbase if one includes the PSP, PS1 and the PS2... and it managed to only sell 1 million more than the relatively underground dog xbox?

Aside from the fact that Sony had to (I repeat had to) drop the price of the PS3 by more than $200 from it's original price and sell even cheaper than the xbox 360 (elite)... how about having Blu-ray the next gen HD format built in? how about the cell?

and yet it only sold 1 million? You want to be happy and jumping of joy and really make a big deal about the Sony success? Wake me up when it perform as well as the wii... now that's what the PS3 is suppose to be selling like... not 1 million more worldwide... not millions less in the US or the UK...

This is like saying... Apple is having a hard time competting against the Zune or another MP3 player... it just does not work that way...
The fact is that all the installbase the xbox 360 holds used to belong to the Playstation brand... Microsoft is only gaining.. you can't say that Microsoft is performing bad since they are gaining... compared to the previous generation... you can't say Sony is doing good because they are performing worst than the previous generation... so even if Sony endup selling more consoles than the xbox 360 and endup losing 30-50% of the previous installbase to the xbox 360 and the wii that's a lost... and if microsoft increase it installbase by 30%-50% over the previous generation and take from Sony the largest single region (america) in the process... how does is microsoft losing?

Here is another way to look at it.... what would you say if all of the sudden linux installbase goes from what it is now to 40% of all computers worldwide... would you concider them losers simply because windows may still hold 50% or more? Losing is losing, gaining is gaining... the xbox 360 can't lose as it is... they are profitable... have better 3rd party support... and are take Sony installbase... if someone is a loser is Sony they are the ones losing...

[Meus Renaissance]

You say "Only by one million" now but what will you be saying this time next year. Sony made the mistake of assuming they could "educate" the consumers to shell out a heck load of cash for the platform. They realised this and dropped the price 4 months ago - of which now the console is selling decently well, and very well in Europe.

Where would it have been in total sales if it launched at $399? It was selling at a premium of $500 for almost an entire year, so its total first year sales considering it hasn't had one if recognised franchise titles launch, is acceptable to Sony and certainly impressive as a whole. But if you look at its brand, then you are justified with your criticism.

We can only look towards the future now, and how Sony will do in 2008 with a strong software lineup and possible price cut later in the year. They need to sell bucket loads of consoles - and the industry will start to put the spotlight on it when titles like MGS4 and GTA4 are released.

It's a make or break year. But I don't think its fair, from the point of view of the PS3's potential and future, to judge it on its sales performance up till now for the reasons in my first paragraph.

[TheExecutive]

lol spin it however you like the fact that the ps3 outsold the 360 in the 360's "must buy year" says a lot about whats going to happen this year.

Also, if these figures are correct it means that the 360 sold about 4 million consoles less than it did during its first year. What does that tell you about saturation? It should say a lot.

Now I agree with you in saying that the 360 for the most part has been a success for MS. They are gaining on their previous market share I just dont understand your analysis of the ps3 as of now. You act like outselling the competition is a bad thing.

[power of Green]

Numbers from Sony and Gamespot?. lol I would wait for more trustworthy sources.

Typing all that! because of numbers gathered from blogs, Sony and Gamespot.

PS3 had 3 price drops for god sakes this year isn't written in stone.

[kevin1122]

funny power, considering they only had 1 price drop. But who knows, maybe 1 does equal 3.

[Jdoki]

So Mr Bubble, when the 360 is outselling the PS3 it's a massive win, a sign of the PS3's impending doom, and proof that Bill Gates actually loves you rather than your money...

Yet when the PS3 looks like it's starting to eat away at the 360 suddenly it has to be compared to the Wii for sales, or overall market share.

I love the way people will change the criteria for success to keep their favoured platform on top!!

[cmrbe]

It depends on how you define a loss. I think no expected Sony to dominate the market like they did last time with PS2. Many analyst predicted that Sony will eventually win but not buy much and i agree. Your reference to Apple is not correct because the situation is different to Sony. Zune didn't have a head start on the Ipod and i think the Zune is not that much cheaper than the IPOD i think. So your analogy is flawed as well as your Linux one. I believe people are saying that the x360 will be third place by the end of this console war which alot of people equate to a loss but i believe like analyst believe everyone will win in the end. Its just that in the frame of the console war. Sony will emerge on top which people equates as Sony wins again. I have always said MS will do better this gen but it will be not enough to win against the PS3 this gen.

[power of Green]

Sorry. New Downgraded SKU's developed out of desperation so Sony could compete. Japan had a cut at launch.

[HCS]

ps3's presence in usa will increase, it's inveitable if they make the right moves.

nintendo is still trouncing the competition. Everyone will continue to have fun games to play and new systems to buy in the future. Competition is grand and forces the other to try and one-up them.

All Microsoft has to worry about is targetting more marketshare in europe. Continue to satisfy the US of A. If they do that, i dont think their non existance in japan really won't matter and quit making up excuses.

SONY KNEW SOMEONE WOULD BUY A SYSTEM FOR $600 BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. Like dude above, the underdog is holding it's own(xbox). Sony should have streamrolled the competition but they made some mistakes, FACE IT.

and you can't use the same theory for every generation. But Sony seems to think so. Sony would love all of you to buy their system for $600 bucks when it came out with no games. But saw no one was interested. PRICE DOES MATTER. If anyone else released a console at 600 they would have failed look at sega.

BRAND NAME RECOGNITION brings you a long way forward untill you make mistakes(sega 32x, sega cd).

[Xbox is the BEST]

numbers. These are sold to retailers. VG Chartz broke down the numbers and between Jan-Mar 360 sold 0.5 million consoles? I believed those were shipped

[TheHater]

8.8 million wasn't at the US alone. You are counting the US alone. 8.8 Million is world wide. What are you unable to read correctly or do you like making yourself look like an ass?

[rofldings]

Be Real? You do realize the Jan-Mar time was when the PS3 launched in Europe, right? Why wouldn't there be a huge spike in sales?

And please. Now you're quoting VGChartz? Every VGChartz data that shows the PS3 outselling the 360 you claim to be false.

[The_Engineer]

this juvenile retard for using offensive language.

[Robearboy]

Inevitable that the ps3 would outsell the xbox360 this year, yeah the 360 has the better games but the ps3 is relativley new and a lot of people still believed the hype, the only suprise was that the number is as small as it is, this year is going to be quite interesting, more of a level playing field and i think the sales figures will reflect this, if only the fat kids and old timers stopped this "wii madness" and purchased a real console then i think both mircosoft and sony will have something to smile about

[Xbox is the BEST]

numbers. These are sold to retailers. VG Chartz broke down the numbers and between Jan-Mar 360 sold 0.5 million consoles? I believed those were shipped

[rofldings]

These are worldwide sales, not shipped. And again, the reason for the spike of PS3 sales during the march time period is because that's when it LAUNCHED in Europe.

[Hades1337]

I think Sony have done well to sell that many PS3s, considering its lukewarm reception, as well as the launch delay for Europe. They sold close to 1 million consoles in 2006, so they are probably around the 9.6/9.7 million mark in overall sales.

Thats more than the 360 sold in its first year of sales, but that would mean that around 9 million 360s were sold this year. I dont think Gamespot did their math correctly.

[MaJiKaLL]

Listen, when u buy a car..
Wud u rather have one made perfectly with major parts made specific for that car, or wud u like random off the shelf items pieces together horribly that wont function well?

That wat microsoft done with x360. all it is, is a desktop computer n even resembers a tower shape. I mean, its no wonder that the defective rate is so high. Nothing microsoft done for the x360 is innovating, is there any new technology? the only thing that "glimers slighly" of this, is the controller shape. Bt then again, i can get used to any control (snes, sega, n64, ps1, ps2, sidewinder etc). I mean cmon, memory cards on a "nxt gen console"???? b**ch pleasee.... ps3 gt mem card readers and USB....

If you are a hardcore gamer, and dnt have a ps3. u aint hardcore... ur just a puppet who had little patience, cos we ALL know if the ps3 came out day for day as x360, you ALL wuda ownd dis piece of nifty kit!

The suttle differnces make the ps3 great...
1) quieter noise.. hardly notice it at all.. even in the quiet scenes of a game.
2) recharable controller that uses a standard mini usb.. i mean that says it all.. fcuk i have many of them.. digital camera.. mouse charger etc.
3) divx support --- "free" movie downloaders heaven". esp with usb or mem card, just watch family guy on my 1080 jus like dat boi. Das wat i call digital download.

[Spike47]

VERY SAD, that the xbox360 even with halo3 could not beat the ps3.

Imagine in 2008 where the xbox360's games suck compared to it's lineup of 2007 and the ps3 has like 5 killer apps

[Bathyj]

Nice. 10-12M for Sony this year, hell maybe even 10M this year, still 2 months to go.

Has X360 ever sold 10M in a year?

I guess the "perfect storm" was just a lot of wind.

[Genuine]

Who bought all of these ps3's? It wasn't N.A., ps3 has done poorly in that region. I think that sony over flooded the retail channels just like MS did in '06. Just like MS in '06, sony's '07 projections were severly over inflated.

[Lex Luthor]

Huh? Comparing Sony numbers to Gamespot 360 numbers?
Are you serious? Last time i heard sony fanboys hated GS and now they are gospel truth?

Wait for MS numbers please.

[mingeeta]

the gameblews blog has updated its sources showing OFFICIAL MS numbers

[yeh]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. The 360 is only for nerds who need a gamerscore to boast about their e-penis size. PS3 is for gamers, and it's completely and utterly obliterating the 360. I actually kind of feel bad for the 360. Oh wait, no I don't. Gahahaha. Bye bye Xbox, again.

[Panthers]

e-penis lol.

[mistertwoturbo]

Uh well I actually enjoy my PS3 more than my 360. But the 360 is not a bad system, just with horrible mistakes. Like no built-in HDD, wi-fi, HDMI reliability, etc. etc.

[KILLERAPP]

Well this is good if they can sell that many consoles with all the criticism all year and be the most expensive console in the market then when the PS3 gets games it will become the PS2 all over again. Congratulations Sony keep up the good work.

[TH3 GAM3]

Good going Sony, hope they do better this year.

[sephy 9 2 5]

That's quite an accomplishment if MS goes along with GS's figure.

EU is really helping out the PS3. Have to give those guys props for buying software too.

[Maddens Raiders]

my, my, my this site has changed quite a bit over the years. Literally & *figuratively. 8D

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

[hotshot127]

against most of the time, the ps3 was 599.99 and the lowest being 399.99 but that was LATE in the year.

how in the world is the 360 gonna survive with NEW ips this year when the ps3 is gonna be 299.99 and has all these fps' for america and then has final fantasy and mgs4 for the world.

i just dont see how the 360 can do good this christmas against the ps3. argue all you want but NEW ips dont do as good as proven franchises.

2009 though........................ ITS COMPLETELY OVER.

[scoobs]

lol.

[Meus Renaissance]

Bill Gates said in the summer of 2006 that the Xbox 360 would have reached 10million by the time the PS3 was launched. So lets just say by the start of 2007, Microsoft had sold 10million consoles.

During CES2008 a few weeks ago, Microsoft announced that they had shipped 17million consoles. And from NPD figures, it shows that they have sold 4.6million consoles in North America during 2007. So add that figure to the original 10million, and consider the amount they've shipped, and you can come to a figure of around 7million.

I don't know what figures GameSpot have used, take into considering, that hardware figures for Europe are available only if you pay. So perhaps GameSpot have those figures? But I have no reason to question that.

However, these Sony figures - this "recorded sales" term could easily mean sold to retailer, right?

[power of Green]

Wrong zone. Read the fanboyism rules for this zone.

[Doctor Strange]

Not bad at all for Sony. Things should only go uphill from here.

[v1c1ous]

the guy is taking into account Q4 in 06' to Q4 in 07' for PS3, but only Q1-Q4 07' for 360

[sephy 9 2 5]

@ 24

Sony's fiscal year.

But you're right it is misleading.

[PSWe60]

just bite the pillow..it'll be over soon, let the PS3 have it's way with you, you gave it a good try, but now that PS3 has got it's act together so just bend on over and let them in.
And try not to cry.

*slaps 360*

[Carbon]

Fact #1 The PS3 sold more units than the 360 in 2007 and will continue to sell more while the 360 sales will only decline.

Fact #2 The 360 sales for 2006 actually dropped 5% over the same period in 2005 http://www.next-gen.biz/ind...

Fact #3 360 sales dropped 18% in 2007!!!! over the same period in 2006. http://www.gamefreaks365.co...

http://www.n4g.com/wii/News...

Fact #4 I have a 360.

Fact #5 And I think less of myself for owning one.

[power of Green]

The facts are fake.

360 sales will not decline when its price will down in the mass consumer market range with its own AAA's. lol

[Carbon]

Power of Green.

No facts are factual.

Sales dropped year over your for the past 2 years dude. Even with Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshocks, COD4 ect. ect. ect. 360 still sold more units in 2006 than it did last year. Again thats a fact, and thats all I state is facts. And what systems prices won't decline? I sugest you doing a little reasearch.

AAA tittles LMFAO!

[ip-student]

How can something that has not happened be a fact? At most it is guess.

There is no doubt that sales of the XBOX 360 slowed. They should have - MS really hurt its image with the RROD. And the failure to provide proof for when the change took place (or what was done) doesn't exactly cause confidence. However, I am reasonably confident that the 65 nm version is robust - a lot less heat is being generated and the apparently undersized, operating on the edge heat transfer system of the XBOX 360 should be okay now.

Still, MS has to deal with the fact that Blu-ray has won (to the extent it matters, digital distribution may cause no media to ever perform well) so there is more perceive value in the $400 version of the PS3 then the $350 version of the XBOX 360 (unless you want those games). MS should drop the price of the Premium to $300 immediately - that would keep pressure on Sony. Otherwise the brand name of Sony is slowly going to prevail. But even with brand name I suspect Sony will at best be close to a tie at reaching 30 million. And once you reach 30 million it doesn't matter - people make games for your system and you make a bunch of money. So MS is going to be profitable this year and the next in their gaming group. And I suspect MS learned a lot from this launch - the only mistake (other then the poor quality control) was the loudness of the DVD drive and the decision to not force people to buy the HDD - having two or five gigs to cache games would be very beneficial for MS because less effort and performance would be needed to decrypt the data coming off the DVD.

[LaChance]

if they keep on beating the 360 by 1 million a year they catup in 2013 and by that time the xbox 720 would be out by then and Crosft will declare themselves as winner.
i dont think its so impressive for sony cuz thzy have the new format for the future eclusive on their system , they got the japanese market to themselves , they got the more powerful machine and two price drops plus a next gen controller and thay only beat the 360 by 1 million.A 360 price cut would probably kill off the ps3 in the USA and slow it down in europpe

[Carbon]

Learn english dude, then people might actually read your whole comment and take them seriously.

[cmrbe]

Should see the PS3 surpass the x360 in Europe and significantly cut down the x360 lead in NA by the end of this year. By the end of 2009 when FF and GOW 3 predicted to be release. The PS3 should over take the x360 in NA by then. This is in 2 years max. If you havne't notice. The x360 released its perfect storm of games last year which included its biggest game Halo 3 but PS3 despite being 200 UDS more than x360 for half of the year with only RC as the only exclusive returning proven franchise manage to out sell the x360 at its best by 1 million. Now with PS3 hitting mainstream price this year with 2 of the big 3(GT4,MGS4) hitting this year. Don't you think that the PS3 won't outsell the x360 globally by at least 3 million?.

[Maddens Raiders]

fat chance, la chance.

[niall77]

the European market is important and deleteing me saying so ether shows us that the mods are really dumb or somehow N4G is traped in a weird Minus world were only america counts?

Or am I not alowed talk about sales in a news story about sales??

[kingOVsticks]

what does it matter if the 360 sales does decline? Honestly, does looking at these charts change your opinion of how fun the 360 is? Or is it even about the 360 anymore but more about your pride and your self esteemed being lowered when you put too much faith personal feelings into a object?

[CrazzyMan]

that what i see.

they really do care.

[gololo]

well...the way i see it is that there are 100+ million ppl waiting to upgrade from a ps2, and this can throw the dominance either way...although i have a feeling that it will be in favor of the ps3

[Xbox is the BEST]

Shipped numbers you guys failed.

[TwissT]

Yeah fail like the 360's hardware! ooooh Burn! lol joking. Sorry couldn't help my self lol.

[jorellpogi]

Aside from excellent line up of PS3 games, Blu-ray movies will fuel the PS3 sales to new heights.

[Gina-get-u]

I want no part of the stupid flame war, but I am writing this to help some of you out there who appear to have trouble "getting it." To those of you who know how to read and have good comprehension, this post is not for you, so I hope you don't think I'm patronizing you or anything. This is for our less fortunate brethren on this forum who obviously need some major help in processing written information.

Here are Sony's official numbers: http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...

Note that for Sony, Fiscal Year 2006 actually began on April 1, 2006 and ended on March 31, 2007. Hence, Q1 of FY 2006 covers April, May & June, while Q3 2006, when initial "sales" were recorded, covers October, November & December. Q4 of FY 2006 began on January 1 and ended on March 31, 2007, which is also the end of FY 2006.

But the article is not measuring sales by fiscal year but by calendar year - January to December, 2007. That is why the figure for calendar year 2007 is the cumulative total of Q4 FY 2006 and Q1, Q2 and Q3 of FY 2007, hence 8.83 million.

Now let's settle this whole shipped vs. sold b#llcrap once and for all. Sony counts units as "shipped" as soon as they leave the production line, and records them as "sold" when they are delivered to the retailer. According to Sony, between 80% - 90% of the running tally for units "sold" at any given time has actually been transacted to end-users, leaving the remainder as the level of current retail inventory Sony would consider acceptable. That makes sense, because if accumulated unsold inventory goes beyond 20%, orders from retailers will decline and force Sony to cut back on "shipments" to bring inventory build-up back to within the acceptable margin. I actually took time to look this up, but if you don't believe me you can look it up youself. This would be as good a place as any to start: http://www.sony.net/SonyInf... (read the whole slide show). Whatever you do, don't insist that Sony tracks actual final sales to consumers because that is so impractical it's virtually imposible, and you will sound like either a moron or a young kid. Stocking/return policies, accrual methods, even reporting periods vary greatly from one retailer to another, so that if Sony tried to count final sales to consumers it would never have any numbers representative or accurate enough to be of any kind of use for advance planning and management. Moreover, Sony would be at the mercy of each of its thousands of retail partners to regularly submit their periodic PS3 "final sales" figures promptly. Good luck with that.

Applying Sony's tracking method (roughly) to the calendar year 2007 sales figures, we can safely assume that all those units have been retailed to consumers except for between 10% - 20% of the number recorded as sold in Q3 FY 2007. I would bet the number is closer to 10 than 20, because Sony says there was a healthy depletion of built up inventory during the holiday sales period of Q3 FY 2007.

[Carbon]

Actually I read today somewhere (I will look for the article)that Sony only counted units sold, not shipped units like typical. If thats the case you could be mistaken. I'll post the article when I find it. You could be right though.

[gamesR4fun]

to the number two spot anyways.

heres hoping the 360 stays in the race for the long haul.

all they need imo
a fixed sku (might already b done i hope)
free online
scrap the non hd version give all the core owners a hd and let the devs start tapping it.
keep putting out great games

[Bill Gates]

KAABOOOOOOOOOM.....AAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHHA

And with hardly any of the top games that really sell systems....AHAHHHAHHAHA

You BABOONS are pathetic....AHHAHHAHAHAAAHAH

[Robocod]

For the sole reason you always make me laugh. That damn baboon reference is sooo funny!

[Bill Gates]

The BABOONS already got me banned AGAIN from the "Gamer zone". Those flee infested monkeys hate me so much, and I don't know why. Oh well at least I still have my two yellow nuts, oops I mean bubbles for the real fun side. The "Open zone"...AAHAHHHAHHAHAHHHA

This side of the comments section is for the real gamers if you ask me. The other side just seems too robotic.

[The_Engineer]

xbots have created an epidemic of pussified forums and review site who outright ban people who speak the truth about the advantages PS3 has over 360. In the real world this is called being a critical consumer, in forum lala land you are a "troll" who makes trouble. All because xgirls get their panties in a bunch when they get called out on their lies.
This happened to me at PS3forums.com a place I did a little looking into and found out is run by none other than xbots......lol

yes that's how far this crap from MS has gone, they have legions of foot soldiers out there making sure the illusion that the 360 is a next gen console and the Ps3 is an imminent failure is maintained.

[Bastard 360]

Forget all the pro 360 news and negative Ps23 news, the truth is out and in reality PS3 is basically winning now, bye bye Xbots.

[Neo604]

they start with little game cause their system is too hardcore for game developers. They know they have the best technology and exclusive games so they eventually make profits.

[Gazman]

Interesting numbers, glad to know I contributed to them

[Oilers Fan]

I dont really care which game console wins since I have 360, and will soon get PS3 after school is done. But I just find it sad with the excellent lineup that the 360 had this year, how it could not sell more consoles. I sincerely hope that the 360 keeps selling because I do not want it to go the way of the dreamcast, or have a new 360 coming out in 2 years. Its better for the consumer if theres competition, and the xbox and 360 has delivered some great new games over the years. Hopefully some people take off there fanboy glasses and continue to buy the 360, and hopefully microsoft can advertise the fact that the RROD problem has gone down. Anyways the point is it will be better if all the consoles are in the console race. Hopefully this does not come across as too fanboyish cause i admit as of right now i prefer the 360 to the ps3, mainly because I still have not even played the good games even if i do own them IE masseffect,bioshock,COD4,orang ebox,forza ah i suck. Just a quick questions can the ps3 or the 360 play those 1080P divx movies?

[beoulve]

trust me, it wouldn't. XBOX 360 is here to stay and there will be another gen xbox. They starting to make profit, they're not giving it up easily.

And Yes both play 1080p divx.

[Oilers Fan]

Alright thanks man, im going to try and check that out. I said hopefully in that paragraph at least 10 times

[patterson]

With the new crop of PC video cards out, FPS fans started upgrading their computers and abondoned 360.

[cjp4eva]

exactly, plus i had a xbox 360 premium and sold it for 300 with 3 games, and 1 controller, i was at a loose but i didnt want that pos system to continue to infect my bedroom, oh and before it rrod'd, plus if theres any decent game i want, ill buy it for pc, i got a 24 inch monitor 1900x1200 more than that thing can handle, and 8800 gts 512 overclocked 4 gbs ram, etc, no need for a crappy system.

[dfcm2003]

LOL, been on this site since I got my PS3 back in July, Man those xbots were living it up back then, Now Look. LOL HA HA HA HA. I cant help it. They ran their mouths and even compared it to the 3DO system. Now look it out sold the 360. lol Stupid xbots. LOL

[Cupid_Viper_3]

I thought that sony's projected sales target for their fiscal year was only 10 MILLION? but you read 15 MILLION? amazing how propaganda works, and for something as simple as ã gaming system.

and also like ã gamers, above me said earlier. the japanese numbers make up for the us gap. besides, lets not forget that its more expansive then the 360, and have smaller library Of games.

[cmrbe]

The x360 despite a lower price and Major exclusive in 2007 slow down in sales compare to 2006 for these 4 reasons.

1. Competition in 2007 as oppose to no competition in 2006.

2. When MS dropped support for the xbox. It forced alot of the hardcore xbox fans to migrate to the x360 which means alot of migration in 2006 and especially when GeoWar was released.

3. In 2007 when the PROD issues became well known. Alot of potential buyers were put off buying a x360, especially people outside NA where the warranty is not an ideal solution.

4. The major exclusive that were release in 2007 didn't expand the x360 audience as these high profile exclusive targeted an already statured hardcore segment of the x360 userbase.

My 4th point is perhaps the main reason why i think the x360 has slowed down. There is no denying that perhaps the biggest/high profile x360 exclusive sofar are Bioshock,Gears,Halo and Mass effect. Although these games might be great especially to hardcore FPS. They do not expand the x360 audience to the mainstream and casual gamers. Why MS didn't hype and focus their attention on games like scene it, or viva pinta like they did for Gears or Mass Effect still baffles me. What this is doing is only enforcing the mentality that the x360 is a FPS centric console. When RC was hyped by Sony alot of you hardcore fans laugh it off as a kids game. Sony giving RC the same attention as HS and Warhawk enforced to the general masses that the PS console is a console for everyone.

[Wraith001]

you forgot forza2 and pgr3-4

[TwissT]

Good to see Sony is coming along well after a rocky start and a rocky first year. Keep it up. (now off to the open zone to see how the fanboys are doing =D)

[ssbains]

The future of the next generation does not start until we say it does .... Remember when Kaz Hirai said that !!

Bring on Resistance 2, Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 and the other killer IP

PS3 owners, revel in the 2008 glory that we will have and relish the great piece of technology that Sony gave us.

As for xBots watch out for the dreaded RROD :(

[texism]

eeeewww

[texism]

lulz. Epic lulz. Wow they need to make a show out of some of the posts I see on here.

[DJ]

The 360's 33% Failure Rate had, and will continue to have, on its popularity. The fact that 40 million Xbox owners were abandoned also means that a sizable number have migrated to other consoles; even Microsoft states that the majority of 360 owners did not own an Xbox, a figure that is both positive (since it means they're expanding their userbase) but negative in that their original customers haven't "jumped in" two years after the 360's launch. The part that I find most disappointing about the 360's low performance in 2007 is that in 2007 Microsoft's console had arguably one of the biggest lineups of any console this decade: Halo, Project Gotham, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Forza Motorsport, etc.

Just based on comparitive software lineup, it looks like their 2008 performance is going to be even weaker.

As for Sony, things are looking Very good. Despite one of the worst launches in history (and i mean worst) and Europe not getting the PS3 until almost April, they still managed to sell 10.5 million consoles so far. Their software lineup this year is phenomenal, their price point is close to perfect, but they need to make the Dual Shock 3 SKUs the last ones to ever be released. Ideally, there should only be one SKU, and I hope they take that route.

[Wraith001]

in that respect i think sony is doing poorly as there r 100mil PS2 owners and only 9-10mil PS3 owners, compared to 40mil XBOX owners and 17.7mil 360 owners. Get my point?

[Klotzey]

ps3 is outselling that great i have both why do we fight withch is better its what games you like and if alot of your buddies have that system i play 360 more becuase all my high school friends have it just stop argueing and go play your system!!!

[cputeq]

I just hope that really, all three consoles do well.

Competition drives innovation, so cheers to all the respective consoles.

I don't have a Wii, and I'm giving my brother-in-law my 360 for his birthday, leaving me with only the PS3, but I wish them all success.

Remember fellas, you may "hate" one console or another, but in the end, competition is good.

[Figboy]

in 2006, the X Box 360 went unchallenged. it was the new toy, and lots of people were excited (not to mention that Microsoft had just outright *DROPPED the original X Box, so X Box owners like myself only had one option: upgrade, or be left behind).

in that first 12 months, the console went on to sell, roughly 9 million units. not bad for a console that had no competition in the next generation market. also, the only heavy hitter released on the 360 in 2006 was Gears of War. everything else were games that were only marginally different from their "last gen" counterparts (i don't think anyone will argue that King Kong wasn't a next gen game. or Bejeweled).

2007 on the 360, however, saw the release of a few significant titles.

Crackdown (good enough game)
Lost Planet (mediocre, but decent)
Bioshock (arguably one of the best games of 2007)
Halo 3 (hands down the most anticipated X Box 360 game out there. original X Box owners bought 360s just for Halo 3 *ALONE)
Mass Effect (the second most anticipated X Box 360 game of 2007)

(also note that these high profile titles are targeted towards the already established hardcore 360 audience, not casual gamers)

even with the release of these high profile games, the 360 actually sold *LESS units than it did with a mediocre year one lineup, with about 7-8 million units sold. i don't really know what this means, and it by no means is this saying that the X Box 360 did poorly in it's second year, as market fluctuations make sense, especially when two new consoles launch during that second year. but considering that the 360 had, according to popular consensus, the "best" lineup of the 3 consoles in 2007, i'd think the sales would reflect this. obviously, some consumers felt differently.

now think about this:

the Playstation 3 launched in November 2006 (shortly after Gears of War hit the 360), with not only competition from the X Box 360, but with the newly launched, and hype-fueled Wii. not to mention a price that was nearly *TWO TIMES that of the competition (X Box 360: $400, Nintendo Wii: $250, Playstation 3: $600).

during that first year, the Playstation 3 released some notable titles, but very few *TRIED AND TRUE franchises:

Virtua Fighter 5 - classic franchise, but it's always had a small fanbase
Ninja Gaiden Sigma - it's fanbase is primarily X Box owners who played the original and Black on their X Box. the series was relatively new to most PS2 owners who didn't also own an X Box.
Ratchet and Clank - classic franchise, but has always been a slow seller.
Unreal Tournament 3 - classic franchise...for the PC.

Resistance - new, and unproven IP
Motorstorm - new, and unproven IP
Folklore - new, and unproven IP
Warhawk - follow-up to a lesser known, yet considered classic Playstation *ONE series
Heavenly Sword - new, and unproven IP
Uncharted - new and unproven IP

even with these odds stacked against it, the Playstation 3 managed to sell 8.83 *MILLION units. against fierce competition, harsh critical reception from *ALL AREAS of the media, a high price point, and the unproven Blu Ray disc format.

also worth thinking about:

looking at metacritic (thanks Genuine for bringing this to my attention), i see that, out of the 50 top rated games on the X Box 360, 21 of them are X Box 360 exclusive.

out of the top 50 top rated games on the Playstation 3, 18 of them are Playstation 3 exclusive.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

i guess i'm failing to see why people boast about the X Boxes superior gaming library, when the majority of that library is multi-platform games.

don't get me wrong, i own an X Box 360 along with my Playstation 3, but i only own Mass Effect at the moment, and Bioshock will be joining it shortly. outside of those two games, very few really interest me. maybe i'll pick up Blue Dragon. Lost Odyssey doesn't appeal to me right now, and i'm picking up Eternal Sonata on my PS3 when that hits this year. i've already beaten Crackdown, and i don't like Gears of War, so there's not much else out there on the 360 that i can't get on my PS3 also.

all this fanboy bickering is really pointless, as both sides have their valid praises, and valid complaints.

i'm simply trying to point out that the battlefield isn't as one-sided as many people tend to think it is.

as far as i can tell, the two consoles are pretty damn even in my book concerning software library, which is the most important part.

Playstation has the brand recognition and strength, and that's the only reason why you see a console that is 2 times as expensive as it's competition, with so much negativity lobbed at it selling the way it is.

it also doesn't hurt that those newly introduced IPs happen to be really, *REALLY good also (despite most overly-critical gaming outlets, that have a habit of grading PS3 exclusives on a curve). Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm, Uncharted, Folklore, etc, are all very good gaming experiences, each offering different gameplay as well (that is to say, they aren't just one genre, ie, FPS). those 5 titles, in a brief snippet, encompass what Playstation gaming is all about; fun and diversity. it doesn't just cater to the hardcore, it doesn't just cater to the casual, but it can cater to *BOTH, and with games like Ratchet and Clank Future, both *SIMULTANEOUSLY. that's the reason why people keep coming back to Playstation branded consoles, in particular the Playstation 3. we like the variety, we like the quality of the hardware and software.

Blu Ray is no longer considered a risk, and is already showing signs of why it is quite useful for gaming as well as movies, and Blu Ray is also no longer driving the cost of the Playstation 3 way up.

there is no right or wrong when it comes to what console you prefer, as it's all just personal preference (i preferred to not miss out on games like Resistance, Ratchet, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Mass Effect, and Bioshock, so i bought a PS3 *AND 360), and it's a positive thing for the industry, as it promotes the growth of *BOTH consoles, and competition between the two ultimately benefits gamers of *BOTH consoles (if you don't think that Microsoft will not lobby to have some sort of answer to things like Home, Resistance 2, Killzone, MGS4, FFXIII, etc, you're a silly monkey).

we're all gamers, and i understand personal preference, and arguing with each other is fun, but we need to be more unified, and less biased and outright fanboy ignorant with each other.

[cmrbe]

I think we all got caught up in the media and critics reviews last year that we forgot to look at the big picture. I have realise as i mentioned earlier in my previous post that despite x360 exclusive getting critical and financial success. The truth is most of these high profile x360 exclusive last year only catered to the already existing hardcore segment of the x360 fanbase and didn't expand the x360 audience.

I am a bit worried though that the PS3 might share the same fate this year but on second thought. I think not. What do you think?. The big 3 for Sony(MGS,FF,GT) are all very different games that happen to be big in all regions. Sing Star and LBP are going to be huge for the casuals as well as other small games. LBP especially is getting alot of hype and attention from Sony. I still wonder why MS haven't focus much on their casual/mainstream games to broaden their audience. IMO they still haven't learned their lesson. I mean their mascot is MC and that says alot about their console.

I think the biggest threat for Sony now is the wii.I always have this idea that the wii is expanding the market and getting new gammers into gaming but i could be wrong.I alwasy have this idea that the majority of the PS2 userbase won't be intrested in the wii but as we can see from this revelation, our conventional wisdom could be way off. What do you think?

edit: Bugger, Just realise i ran out of bubbles

[Figboy]

but i think the PS3 is in a better position than MS is in terms of variety. right now, even Microsoft's announced 360 lineup so far is still catering to that hardcore, shooter-obsessed core 360 audience.

in the meantime, Sony has not only shown us their diversity (Heavy Rain, Infamous, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Folklore, Little Big Planet, flOwer, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Warhawk, PSN games, Singstar, Eye of Judgment, Motorstorm 2, Echocrome, etc), but they have also shown a willingness to listen to consumer complaints, and adjust accordingly (they got rid of the boomerrang controller, got rid of the dual HDMI ports, which many rightfully deemed as unnecessary; lowered the price by $200, etc).

they've also shown that they are not afraid to take chances and innovate. every company innovates in their own way (such as a lot of the things Microsoft brought to consoles when they introduced Live so many years ago), but not many have innovated in the face of great risk. Nintendo has changed their controller. that is *ALL. the biggest risk they faced is that people may not have bought into the idea of buying the same console they bought 6 years ago in a Gamecube. the nun-chuck controller can still function like a regular controller, but the motion controls are there as the primary mechanism.

Sony has taken much bigger risks, especially in packing an untested format into the console (Blu Ray). fortunately for them, that gamble has paid off in a *BIG way, as not only are games going to use up that space eventually (developers found ways to fill up SNES cartridges, PS1 CDs and PS2 DVDs; they *WILL find a way to fill up a 25-50 gig Blu Ray), and HD movies of course will be on the Blu Ray format as standard, but PCs will begin to use Blu Ray drives as standards, and consumers will be able to back up *ENTIRE FILE LIBRARIES on 2 50gig Blu Ray discs, or the monster 200gig Blu Ray discs hitting in the next year or so.

i don't think the Wii is Sony's biggest competition, as the history of the industry has shown us that we are a progressive market. most gamers don't want to retread the same things we've been retreading in the previous generation. in another post somewhere on here, i named a bunch of next gen games that are hitting the PS3 and 360, that will *NOT see the light of day on the Wii because of the technological limitations of the console. i mean games like GTAIV, LA Noire, Battlefield Bad Company, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (the version that uses the fancy physics, animation, and "molecular density" technology).

the Wii is no doubt having a *SUPERB time in the market, but how long will Wii games be able to sit next to games that look that Killzone 2? or Fable 2? or Little Big Planet? or Heavy Rain? or even a next gen Jak and Daxter or Sly Cooper?

motion controls are all well and good, but the Wii will forever be hampered by the technology behind it. i think, with processors as powerful as the Cell and Xenon, that you'd be able to do some *AMAZING things with motion controls. in truth, all i've seen from the Wii are mini-games, and the games that *DO do motion controls worth a damn are the Nintendo ones (ie, Super Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario, Metroid, Zelda, the classic Nintendo franchises we've been enjoying for 20+ years).

do i think the Wii is a fad? i don't know. but i do know that the majority of the Wii's purchasers seem to be grandmas, grandpas, and moms and dads. not those gamers from *MY generation. it's getting to the point where the hardcore Nintendo gamer is going to have to start looking at other consoles, whether PS3 or 360, to get their hardcore fix that doesn't involve a Nintendo mascot.

right now, the Playstation 2 is still the best console on the market right now. in terms of price, and in terms of software library. right now, the biggest competition the Wii faces *IS the Playstation 2.

the next gen battle is truly between Sony and Microsoft, as their machines are the ones that, so far, have been truly pushing gaming to the next level in terms of not just one aspect (how we interact, ie, the motion control Wii-remote), but how we interact within the game world, via things like physics simulations. how AI reacts and responds realistically, giving a more immersive experience. how you connect with main characters (i challenge *ANYONE to look at the acting and emotion coming from characters in games like Heavenly Sword and Uncharted, and not be completely enraptured or moved by them). a game is more than just one disparate element.

a game is more than just it's controls. it's more than just it's graphics. it's more than just it's sound, or it's story, or it's physics engines and AI routines, but it's a *CULMINATION of how all of those elements work together. when they are gelling, you get a game like Bioshock, or Uncharted, or Ratchet and Clank Future. when a developer focuses too much on one aspect of that, you get a Kane and Lynch (an overall mess of a game), or a Lair (a game with incredible production design, but poorly optimized motion controls).

no console is free from these shortcomings, as it's developer related, and not necessarily console related, but the reason why new consoles are constantly being introduced is to help developers get that much closer to their dreams. sure, limitations can be inspiring creatively, but so can the freedom of *CHOICE.

if you wanted to make a smaller in scope, mini-game collection on the PS3 you *COULD (see flOw, Calling All Cars, Super Stardust HD, etc), but if you wanted to make something *EPIC in scope, you can do that on the PS3 *ALSO (see Ratchet and Clank Future, Uncharted, Resistance 1 and 2, etc).

the technology isn't just what's making the games "innovative," or "fresh," it's the *DEVELOPERS. if the Wii had come out with specs just as high as the PS3 and 360, it wouldn't have stopped Nintendo from creating something fantastic. just like releasing the Wii with the specs it has now hasn't stopped Nintendo from creating great games. the problem comes when you realize that not all developers are as creative as Nintendo, and this is a *BUSINESS afterall. a business where developers have to make some cash to continue doing what they love, and on Nintendo consoles, the only folks that seem to be making money is *NINTENDO.

i expect more and more 3rd party developers to actually move *AWAY from the Wii as dev kits for consoles like the PS3 become easier and easier to use, and the system starts to show off it's true potential (which, looking at the console's year two lineup, isn't looking like we'll have to wait too much longer).

[GrooveChampion]

I agree with your post wholeheartedly, and only wish to add that the media in general seems to be turning towards the PS3 as opposed to fighting it as they did in 07. While (in my opinion) there was a very negative perception of the PS3 through the eyes of many media sources, recent weeks have seen a softening of these voices and some positive PS3 reactions from the media as a whole.

I don't mean to imply a conspiracy or some other evil plot from the media, but simply a moment in time where 360 and Wii were representing so strongly that people truly felt the 360 was the winning horse. For 07, it may have been, but I (and clearly many others) see 08 as a different beast altogether, and Sony needs to continue it's good and hard work to ensure they can rebuild confidence in their reputation throughout both the media and the vocal consumers on the net.

[xxMYSTAKALxx]

how many were actually bought because of the gaming portion of it. I work at a retail store and a huge majority buy them just for the blu ray player

[Figboy]

is that the number of people buying Playstation 3's for it's Blu Ray functionality is irrelevant to Sony, honestly.

i mean, if people are buying the PS3 for Blu Ray movies. Sony wins on a few fronts:

1.) Sony doesn't make money if people are buying Blu Ray players from *OTHER manufacturers. so a Blu Ray player via PS3 is money in Sony's pocket. win.

2.) the fact that the consumer is buying a PS3 for Blu Rays means that they are buying Blu Ray movies. Sony is part of the BDA, so they get money from any Blu Ray movies sold. another win.

3.) all investors and especially developers will see, is that the Playstation 3 has a growing install base. what this means, is that more game developers will make more games for the PS3 as it's install base continues to expand. this will, obviously, benefit us gamers, as we get more games to play, and it also benefits Sony, as more games sold on the platform, means more licensing fees paid to them. again, another win.

attachment rate concerns aren't as important to 3rd party developers, as games like Call of Duty 4 and Assassin's Creed show that PS3 owners will buy 3rd party games (and in most cases, over better quality Sony *FIRST PARTY games, ie, Ratchet and Uncharted). this is more comforting to 3rd parties, than, say, the way Nintendo made titles dominate sales on the Wii, while quality games (like Zack and Wiki) get ignored by the consumer, costing the developer money.

all that matters to Sony are the way the numbers look. the more movie and gaming partners hear things like "The Playstation 3 has reached 10 million units, the Playstation 3 has reached 15 million units, the Playstation 3 has reached 20 million units, etc," the more confident they are in supporting the platform, so what if the truth of the matter is that some folks are buying the PS3 for movies.

*MOST folks were buying the Playstation 2 for it's DVD playing capabilities, and during it's first year and half, a lot of Playstation 2 owners had never even *PLAYED a game on their PS2s, but they watched plenty of DVDs.

the other thought, is that more people are buying the Playstation 3 for *BOTH games *AND movies, and enjoy both features than people are giving them credit for(for example, i bought my PS3 for both, and i enjoy both, as well as the other cool features the PS3 has).

during the PS2 era, a lot of us were young (i was 21 when the PS2 launched in 2000), most of us lived with our parents still, or were in school. now, 8 years later, those young people are no longer young anymore, and probably have wives, girlfriends/fiances, children, mortgages, in short, we've become our parents. we are the generation this technology is being made for. it isn't being made for our grandpas and grandmas, or even our moms and dads. it's being made for *US. the people that will be defining this world in the next 10-20 years and beyond.

you can market games to mom, dad, grandma and grandpa all you want, but that generation, 1, didn't grow up with video games, and 2, won't be around forever anyway (as harsh as that sounds, it's true that that generation probably won't be around in 10 years or more).

my point is that the market that products like the Playstation 3 are geared toward are for that 18-35 crowd. this 18-35 crowd, in their newly discovered adult life of bills, school, work, relationships, means that most of us are a lot more cautious about how we spend our dough, and what value we can get for our dough.

a product like the Playstation 3 fits into that cost-effective lifestyle. it may not have seemed like it before, but a Blu Ray player was $1000 just 8 short months ago. an HD gaming console was $400-$600. a decent HDTV was roughly $1500 or more 8 months ago also.

as an adult with a budget, getting an HD player and gaming console rolled into one device for $400 is a *STEAL. and you can find decent HDTVs for less than $800 if you know where to shop, and know how to haggle.

most gamers are not children anymore. most gamers don't rely on mommy and daddy to supply their gaming needs. after-all the average age of gamers is 30 (hell, i'll be 29 this July). i'm not saying there *AREN'T young gamers under the ages of 18 (of course there are. duh), i'm just saying that the gaming market, thanks to my generation, and those born 5-10 years after me (and before me), have defined what gaming is. hell, *OUR children are the ones clamoring for Wii's while we clamor for things like X Box 360s and Playstation 3s, when back in the day, *WE were the ones bugging our parents to spring $250 for a NES. we've grown up. gaming has too.

the 20 year olds who waited in line to get Playstation 2s 8 years ago are 28 now. not only have they matured, but they've, ultimately, become more cost effective. at this juncture, the PS3 is very cost effective, and most people will upgrade to HDTVs by the end of next year anyway (HDTV adoption in the US grew from, like 10% at the start of last year, to practically 30% or more by years end, i'll have to look into the approximate numbers later).

back on point, like with DVDs, those that own a Playstation 3 will no doubt pick up some Blu Ray movies. afterall, the functionality is there, why not use it? and with the continual growth of HD functionality, those PS3 owners will be even more inclined to at least *TRY a Blu Ray. i own a PS3, and i own an HDTV. *WHY should i keep buying DVDs? the cost of a DVD and Blu Ray, in Los Angeles, at least, isn't so much that i'm not willing to spring the extra dough for an HD version of the movie (most DVDs in LA are $19.99 unless you catch them on sale week. most Blu Ray movies are $24.99, and the store across the street has a buy one, get one free *EVERY WEEKEND on Blu Ray movies).

also like with the Playstation 2, when the games come, those that bought PS3's for games will buy games, and the software attachment rate will rise (remember when the PS3 launched, that that attachment rate was ridiculously low, because most of them only bought 1 game; Resistance, but as more PS3 games released, the attachment rate grew?). there are quite a few high profile PS3 games releasing this year, which will, in turn, bring more dormant PS2 owners into the PS3 fold. not all at once, of course, but some people don't think a PS3 with it's current software lineup is even worth the $400, but a PS3 with it's current lineup, GTAIV, DMC4, MGS4, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2, Motorstorm 2, LA Noire, White Knight Story, FFXIII, Resistance 2 and at $400 (or less, who knows), is *INFINITELY more palpable.

[moodymofo]

true thats why i got one,and hey if the system does well as a console then its just a bonus

[mistertwoturbo]

Ask yourself, how many people bought a PS2 for a DVD Player?

[imageicb]

Lets gettem PS3

[SmarterThanYou]

could you fail more microsoft?

[NeoBasch]

*Looks at title*

I want to flame things! This is war. I'm drawing the battle lines. I pick the versus sign. It just sits there. It doesn't play on my 360, or the PS3. That's just wrong. I boycott versus. There's no need for the dang thing since I can't even play it. Useless. Versus sucks compared to the PS3, 360, and/or the Wii. I'm bored and decided to annoy people because I have nothing better to do. I need a life. I stare at pixels all day and love throwing numbers/charts out to show how obsessed I am with my social life, or lack thereof. I like to stare behind my screen and laugh because of my numerous insecurities. Aren't I awesome?

Okay, jokes aside. :) I actually love the fact that both systems performed amazingly well given this early stage in the game. Sure, it won't be anything like what is to come, but it is still a nice start. All those great games truly did play into those results. I'm happy for both Sony and Microsoft, and congratulations Nintendo on you're run away hit (Wii). 2007 was a great year, but 2008 will be even better. ;) Good luck to all three, and compete like you never could before. I eagerly await the fruits of your labors.

EDIT: On a side note, N4G really does need to fix its numbering system for the comments section. Its confusing. Maybe start with the whole number posts always at the top, and maybe allow quoting. It would be much easier if they did either or. But I understand if it is too hard too incorporate right now. Like the changes on the site's format, by the way.

[mistertwoturbo]

I actually hope the 360 will come out with crazy exclusive games. The Wii can die.

[whoelse]

Thats great The better system sold more than the non better system.

[Iron Man 2]

Now just imagine when MGS4 aka GOTY 2008 comes out,Microsoft will be on it's knees lol!;)

[phony force slayer]

Sony only ever reports shipped numbers, not sold, so they are over-reporting by at least 400,000 that I’m aware of (they shipped 1.2 million in NA in December, only sold 800,000).

[rhood022]

If that makes you feel better.

Btw, Sony stopped counting "shipped" and opted for "sold" earlier in 2007.

[leon76]

PS3 RULES!!!!!!

[Madbrain]

Xbox has not a chance while being so crappy. Here in Europe people always knew that. We don't like Microsoft and their problematic hardware/software. We vote Sony FTW. And it is already happened. Sony wins...

[tudors]

PS3 and Xbox-360 fans should be happy with these figures.

[felidae]

nice work sony.

not bad microsoft.

[skagrerrrr]

are flying, funny fangirls

[Kain81]

EA nennt Hardware-Verkaufszahlen für Europa und USA 2007 / Prognose für 2008

01.02.08 - Electronic Arts hat in einem Geschäftsbericht eine Prognose für 2008 bekanntgegeben.

Prognose von EA für 2008
PS3: 4,5 Mio. - 5,5 Mio.
360: 4,5 Mio. - 5,5 Mio.
Wii: 5,5 Mio. - 6,5 Mio.
PS2: 2,2 Mio. - 2,7 Mio.
NDS: 7,5 Mio. - 8,5 Mio.
PSP: 3,5 Mio. - 4,5 Mio.

Europa 2007 (Daten sind Schätzungen von EA)
PS3: 2,8 Mio.
360: 1,9 Mio.
Wii: 4,8 Mio.
PS2: 3,8 Mio.
NDS: 8,7 Mio.
PSP: 3,1 Mio.

Prognose von EA für 2008
PS3: 5,0 Mio. - 6,0 Mio.
360: 1,5 Mio. - 2,5 Mio.
Wii: 6,5 Mio. - 7,5 Mio.
PS2: 1,7 Mio. - 2,2 Mio.
NDS: 6,5 Mio. - 7,5 Mio.
PSP: 2,5 Mio. - 3,5 Mio.

source:www.Gamefront.de

[Aquanox]

2007 includes the PAL Release of the PS3. Now the real story would be how much they both sold AFTER that point, in this case, Microsoft has widened the gap.

[Alcohog]

*internet explodes*

[Rusted]

Damnit, too late for the party. Oh well back to the bunker.

[mariusmal]

i loved the site update. now i can read without caring about fanboys flaming every news.

on the news itself... i dont care, i got both and i'm happy with both

[niall77]

these are the PS3s SOLD numbers and the 360s SHIPPED numbers so the ps3 could have beat the 360 by a even bigger number.

dont count me on that, it is just what I think.

and thats my last bubble.. bye

[THE_JUDGE]

should just get used to that title. The PS3 is only going up from here. Sony has even brought out the big guns yet, literally. M\

[potenquatro]

its gonna happen, its freaking playstation. now concentrate on selling us better games, and make fight night playable online.

[Mrcool]

"According to Gamestop" Everyone knows that gamestop and MS has bad blood. How can you take numbers from a company that is trying to find any reason not to support or sell the xbox 360.

[Manberg900]

PWNED LOL

[Ares84]

MS got owned!!! Yeah!!!!!

[raerae28]

Remember....

A. This is WorldWide
B. This is only for 2007
C. I think the article did say this IS units sold to consumers, so its not clear if its overstock/warehouse numbers to Walmart or Target.
D. The xbox nums were taken from their comment on total for 06-07, subtracting 06 numbers.

If Sony did sell more PS3's based on the criteria above, its just proving what the Sony execs said all along. Dont hate the players, hate the game.

[cjp4eva]

Sh*t Im late to the party, judging by my avatar you should know my answer.

[Wraith001]

I think nintendo is the real winner of this gen already. B4 the wii, lets face it, ninty were on there arse in the console wars, infact if it werent for the DS i thght they wld go the same way as sega.

But look at wot they achieved with there upgraded gamecube, 3yrs ago wld u really of thought that ninty wld be ahead of Sony and MS? Hats of to ya! U did wot Sega failed to do. I dont own 1 and have no thghts to gettin 1 as of yet, well, its not a hardcore gaming machine to me.

As for MS they got a gameplan, i dont think they ever envisaged winning the nxt gen war, i think for them it was more of getting the door open, where as the XBOX was the lock breaker. There doin a great job. Oh and every1 keeps forgetting about Forza2 and PGR3-4 when they go on about the games bein only shooters, fable2 will be a cracker as well as Alan Wake.

As for Sony, they got a gameplan to, release high tech system with Blu-Ray drive, pricey, wont sell well to start of with, but we all know tech gets cheaper every yr, and so do Sony. Now starts the price war, Sonys AAA titles r gunna rock Blu-Ray is starting to take a foothold on store shelfs and get noticed, the system will sell well at a cheaper price and prob win this gen war. I dont think they will do as well as they did with the PS2 tho.

Why? Because when this war is over and the 360 loses to the PS3 at prob the 40-50mill mark we will see MS next gen console, and it will be like XBOXvPS2 again only the PS3 wont be as old tech and rdy for an upgrade like the PS2 was or indeed have a big enough installed base to warrant it.(MS has lotsa a money to throw away, remember that)

Im glad that all the consoles r doin well, and i hope the next gen will be as good as this 1 has and is going to be. Hell i might even get a wii when it goes cheaper for when the lads come rnd on a sat nite for a drink (good laff me mates got 1)

[syanara]

alright if the ps3 sold more than the 360 in 2007 and it dosen't have anygames how will next year be? the ps3 has tons of games in USA today the ps3 had 4 games on the list that were highly looked foreward too 3 of which exclusive. the 360 has 2 only one exclusive. so if in 2008 the ps3 will have games in 08 so if it sold more than 360 and it didn't have any games then it will sell like you would not belive in 08.

[sleepbox]

I should be picking up a Ps3 this year

[Mc187]

I never had a doubt.

[Xbox is the BEST]

Console Sales 2007 (in millions)
PS3 360
Japan 1.21 0.26
Europe 2.80 1.90
US 2.56 4.62
Canada 0.27 0.39
Total 6.84 7.16

source: NPD, EA FY08 Q3 Earnings Report, EnterBrain

[NeoBasch]

Your source is for Q3. A year in the cycle of video games is Q1 - Q4. Nice to see how far the two have come, but those statistics are not current any longer. ;)