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S**t...did he just say F**K HALO!?!?
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God Of War creator and Twisted Metal legend David Jaffe updated his blog, which reads:
"Here's a conversation on IM between myself and Adam Orth, designer at Sony who worked with me on TM:Black, Calling All Cars. He also worked on some of the Medal of Honor games over at EALA. Enjoy! "
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1.2 - about halo
seriously, the only reason why the halo series is big is because it streamlined online gameplay on consoles to the masses... which i'm not saying isn't a big deal, but at the same time, pc shooters like the half-life 2 series blows halo away in everything - graphics, story, online play (that's a matter of opinion, but counter-strike ftw), gameplay (introduced the gravity gun, had some cool puzzles and great action, the gameplay's just rediculous). People make such a big deal about halo, but I really don't see why... pick up a pc shooter - mouse + keyboard controls are so much more precise than dual-analogs.
which leads me to another thing... every wonder why Halo games take over a year after its console release to come out with a much inferior pc version? it may have something to do with microsoft being scared to show that PCs are much more capable than consoles =x
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1.3 - @brodels
counter strike : source is easily the greatest online shooter, no fancy weapons, no fancy graphics, no 14 year old americans spamming the mic... just a perectly balanced game which requires alot of skill. a shoot in the face is death whether its an AK47 or UMP. anyone who dismisses CS:S obviously hasnt played it or just sucks ass on it! CS:S 2 please valve!!!
also still after 5 years the most played online FPS, console fans seem to forget pc was there first and still does it much much better!
edit @ Genki, thanks for the support, im sure many will disagree purely because they havent tried pc FPS gaming and/or are just xbox fanboys. i totally agree with keyboard and mouse, move from one side of the screen to the other in the flick of the wrist rather than waiting for your cross to move around the screen at a pre-determined rate! if your just getting into pc gaming i urge you to pick up CS:S (get it from 'steampowered.com' about $20) its hard going to start but once you start pwning you'll never wanna stop! if you want my steam ID pm me and me and the clan will help you out!
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Genki
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1.4 - @1.3
I'm a die-hard console fan, and I'll be the first one to agree with you: PC shooters do it much better than consoles. This is coming from someone who's been playing console shooters for much longer than PC by the way. I played the Halos, the Goldeneyes, Turoks, Medals of Honor, and pretty much any other notable shooter you can think of for a console(not my favorite genre, but most friends are crazy for 'em), and I think none of them hold a candle to what's offered on the PC.
I'd played things like Doom and Duke Nukem before, but I never owned a PC shooter myself until F.E.A.R. Not only was I blown away by the game itself, but the precision of a mouse is a real difference maker. Especially with a game like F.E.A.R. where the A.I. really gives you a run for your money. I do think that a stick with full range of motion and sensitivity is better than a keyboard for movement, but the mouse just KILLS a stick for aim and look.
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1.5 - Have to disagree with you Genki...
I myself was a rabid PC fan/shooter. Started with Counterstrike than moved on with Battlefield 1942, Soldier of Fortune, Black Hawk Down, Wolfenstein, Quake 3, and my personal fav. Unreal 2004. I also played alot of console fps multiplayer games like Goldeneye, Turok, and Perfect Dark and I always backed up my PC gaming. Atleast until Halo came out. The LAN parties was so much fun. And when Halo 2 added multiplayer play over Xbox Live...well it was a whole different world. I stopped playing Unreal 2004 almost immediately.
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Genki
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1.6 - Oddly enough, I have to agree with you up there, FirstKnight
Halo 2 LAN parties are a complete blast. Used to play all the time from last summer up until about spring this year. Halo is most definitely a very fun experience, but IMO, it's a far cry from a game like F.E.A.R. on PC. Still one of my all time favorite shooters. I'll admit, Halo has WAY BETTER multiplayer than F.E.A.R. did...the game just suffered from some terribly unacceptable balance issues(hearkened back to the Doom days of weapons), but as a game itself, blows Halo(and any console shooter for that matter) out of the water.
2 years later and I've still yet to see better A.I. than F.E.A.R.
2 years later and there(naturally) isn't a console shooter with control as tight as F.E.A.R.'s
That's why I feel the way I do. To me, aiming precision is absolutely paramount in an FPS. A stick just can't hold a candle to a mouse in that regard, especially with the sweet laser offerings we've gotten from Logitech over the past couple years as well. As long as the mouse reigns supreme in this regard, then I, as a dedicated console gamer first, will hold the PC FPS above most any console shooter.
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The problems with the mouse is that players that have the lazer over the optic will easily have the advantage. I for one was getting my ass handed to me in Unreal 2004 until I upgraded my mouse to a fancy expensive lazer mouse. My aiming was MUCH smoother and I started to rack up the kills. With Halo 2 or any other console game, you have an even playing field since the majority use the same controller. Plus it takes a lil more patience and skill to kill using your thumb than moving your entire wrist with a mouse.
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Genki
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1.8 - "it takes a lil more patience and skill to kill using your thumb than moving your entire wrist with a mouse."
Just like how it takes a little more skill and patience to remove a stain with water and a toothbrush than it does with a cleaning agent and a scrub brush. Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in using the most optimal tool for the most optimal performance. I didn't stick with Cloud's Buster Sword in FF7 in case you were wondering.
I just don't see the whole "mice are for newbs" argument.
For aiming, whether it's a ball, optical, or laser mouse, a mouse is simply the BETTER tool for the job. There's pro photographers out there that use point and shoot cameras for their pictures. Doesn't mean that a pro-level DSLR is for "newbs", or particularly less skilled photographers either.
I think it's very difficult to make a case against a mouse when it comes to aiming precision and versatility. Argue thumb skill vs wrist skill, level playing field etc. etc. all you want, but whether you're playing for fun or to win, you want the best tool for the job.
That's the way I see it anyway.
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Dude, I have been preaching for YEARS that Halo is at best a Mediocre game on a console that was starved for a decent FPS.
Anyone in PC gaming had been playing better games than Halo for years.
Although I have to say I am looking forward to playing Halo 3. Maybe the hype has had an effect on me as well.
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I've been a PC gamer since the beginning, and i still think Quake 2 had some of the best multiplayer ever. To say you just don't get Halo is one thing and thats ok, but you have to understand that this game does have something special when millions of players get this hyped to play it. I just don't get why people have to put it down so much. So it has a big following so what? Isn't that a good thing that games have become this huge and the community is so active?
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seriously who cares about what this guy says or whoever's blog it is? They are both nobodies
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1.15 - Bittaness makes peeps do funny things
it can also bring free publicity and attention when you publicly bash a successful franchise.
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1.16 - Why is this even on here?
It's just another developer who is JEALOUS AS HELL of what Bungie has created and only dreams that he could make a game that is that great and successful.
This is not news what-so-ever, so why are people approving this junk!
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Halo is over-hyped but its a great franchise.
@ Mr Marbles....
I think you have lost yours? as where on earth did I make a platform statement for you to reply too!
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2.1 - Odd
because one could say the same thing about the PS3, it is ok but overhyped. After all, the 360 has more games, better user interface, 104 demos on xbl, and about a thousand freakin arcade games, and even TV shows and movies. While the PS3 has a few late arriving ports and a bunch of time consuming updates that would take seconds to do on a 360. Yet you dont see these guys pointing out how the PS3 is over hyped because everyone claims it is the only true next gen system, and supposedly has soooo much power; power to do what I ask, collect dust?
@ riksweeny
That is not the point, the point is, IT HAS FAR FEWER GAMES, yet we are still told it is a superior console in everyway, Sony is selling consoles based purely on hype! You guys who payed more for it did so because Sony told you it would be worth the extra cost when it launched because it would be far superior to the competition, it is by far not, therefor it was overhyped.
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@Mr Marbles
Saying that the Xbox 360 has more games than the PS3 is like saying there are more titles on DVD than there are HD-DVD / Blu-Ray.
The PS3 and Wii haven't been out as long as the 360, therefore they have less games.
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2.3 - Tired of this
1st whos talking about ps3 this is about halo.
2nd out of all the games on 360 how many of them are worth playing??
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Iplaygames i own a ps3 and a 360 and in my opinion there are a ton of games worth playing on the 360. Using the copout "but the xbox has been out longer" caries no weight. At this moment in time regardless of the reason the xbox 360 has more games worth playing. That is fact. That does not mean the ps 3 isn't a killer system and doesn’t have killer games because it is a killer system and it does have killer games. I have owned over 20 games for my 360 and I have owned 2 for the ps3. Next year I feel it will be different but at this single moment in time the 360 does offer much more to do. So is it over-hyped? For THE MOMENT yes but time is a dynamic thing and I feel this WILL change.
At the end of the day Jaffe is a halo fan and I think that says a lot. How’s about instead of hating halo 3 because it is on the xbox360 some of the sony fans try the game with an open mind and then form an opinion. I played the beta and it was a blast, I don’t see how any self respecting gamer could not have fun playing….. well unless you suck real bad at halo.
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I think some Sony fans will approach Halo 3 with an open mind. It's the Fanboys that will say it sucks with out even trying it.
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2.6 - ATTENTION RIKSWEENEY
2.6 - ATTENTION RIKSWEENEY
I created an account just for the purpose of dispelling your FUD. It is totally and completely wrong.
The Xbox 360 has more games, and will continue to have more (and better) games because Microsoft treated the Developer Community as its customer. They created a Development Environment, Toolkit and Tools to make development more productive. The PS3 is (well known now) unnecessarily convoluted and difficult to write games for.
Our favorite geek developer, John Carmack has said, on more than one occasion that the Xbox 360 development chain is far superior. Developer after developer comes out and says the same thing. The games that are available for both (say, Madden, EA NHL08 and others) have the Xbox 360 version performing better and getting better reviews. Why? Because the Xbox 360 is a superior platform to develop for.
All that said, lets move on to your assertion about Xbox 360 titles only being a product of the Xbox 360 beating PS3 to market. Also inaccurate.
Xbox 360 has 101 games rated 75 / 100 or better, it has been out 22 months. That is 4.5 75% or better games to choose from per month.
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http://www.metacritic.com/g...
PS3 has 30 games rated 75 / 100 or better, has been out 10 months. That is 3.0 75% or better games to choose from per month.
http://www.metacritic.com/g...
The "oh, Xbox 360 had a lead" notion doesn't wash. Sony has had a year to bring the great games, and Microsoft has been out-pacing them and the gap (as with the install base) is steadily widening.
Jaffe did a good job with God of War, there is no doubt about that. But the gaming community preferred -- and still prefers -- the Halo series. Halo gets all this attention because its a GREAT GODDAMN game.
His (and the rest of the Sony Defense Force around here) jealousy is starting to show. The Xbox 360 -- and its owners -- are doing very well, and the future looks even brighter.
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Well I guess if you are a big time producer like David Jaffe is and your name attach to the tittle God of War then you could pretty much say anything.
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Wait, Jokesonyou... Just because someone doesn't like Halo makes them a "Sonykid"?
Quote "some people are so quick to flame they simply read the headline and assume they know what their talking about only to make a ass of themselves"
Nice going dude.
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JAFFE: sweet- sadly it will rile up halo fans...hope they see that I DO LIKE HALO! I just don't get the religious fervor and feel much of the fervor has been purchased by Microsoft. But they'll still hate me.
It takes alot to critizise a game like Halo knowing your need an ativirus for all the fan spam coming to you but then again id D-jeff.
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You know what has been purchased? Millions and Millions of copies of Halo. Pre-orders for Halo 3 are at a record, and will probably be the single-largest consumer media event in history.
Halo is a great series, and Halo 3 looks terrific. What I find is that there is a vocal anti-halo brigade from the Sony Defense Force types who simply want to bad mouth it because its on Xbox 360 and no possible chance it will come to PS3.
Want to know why it has so many fans? Because it is great, and it has A LOT of fans. Its just that damn simple. If you dont like it fine, no worries, but the fact remains that the first two got stellar reviews, was loved by players and sold very very well.
Halo 3 will be the biggest game of the 4th quarter, probably be one of the best selling games of the year, and you know why? Because it's a great series, and everyone knows that Microsoft has a lot riding on Halo 3 and its assured to be terrific.
Dont take my word for it, no ones played except the MP beta; lets wait until we see some reviews and/or play it ourselves m'kay? If its like Halo and Halo 2, I'll be damned happy.
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Well some one got balls to say this to an specially protected game like Halo. To many people its almost a sin to say that Halo suck, but well, got to respect those people.
In my opinion, I will not start any flame about Halo because I think it is useless to convince Halo fan otherwise, it goes the same way when people try to convince me that FF suck.
However, Jaffe didnt say that, in case some idiot fan boys dont read the whole thing.
Edit: 40 min after I posted my reply, I came back I noticed that many people actually didnt read the blog, well what should I say? (refer to my earlier post)
In your face?
Edit: Somebody disagree humm.. now what did I say?
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5.1 - Judging By Most of the Comments
It looks like very few actually READ the blog.
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Obviously it's too much to ask for people to read. They would much rather flame away.
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7 - Halo 3 will be a killer.
The launch of Halo3 seems like a console launch, sonyfanboys or scared and Sony can,t take the heat no more.
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7.1 - you get 11 disagrees
but after 4 hours, no one cant counter your arguement
btw your right
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Hehe, this guy always think he is the big man can come out and say or critisize anything. but saying something to halo3 nearly a week before lunch is just to get publicity and be in the headlights. what a f*cking attention seeker. there was no need to say that.
whatever happens, Halo3 will sell far more than any game he produces in hsi life so i can fel ur jealousy man.
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Genki
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10 - I wonder how many will simply not read the entry
and assume that Jaffe was the one who said it.
For those too lazy to bother reading it, Jaffe wasn't the one that said it, it was Adam. Jaffe even says that he likes Halo, it's just doesn't deserve the religious fervor-like attention and hype it gets.
EDIT: I see that post number 8 is our first...
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Microsoft's level of hype is what turns me off to Halo nowadays. I bought an X-Box solely for the original Halo, and played the hell out of it.
But now, their payed-for fanbase just hurts the overall experience for the real gamers in my opinion. People who actually love the game for what it is are stuck with the hype eaters who live off of advertisements.
Good game? Sure. Most godly experience on a console ever? Not so much.
Personally, the new "Believe" ad didn't strike me as insulting, just one of the lamest and corniest things I've ever seen.
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11.1 - Good, thought I was the only one who was a bit turned off by this new ad campaign of theirs.
The first thing I think of when I see "Believe" is NeoGAF. IT just leaves a sour taste in my mouth after that.
The whole hero must rise, yada yada yada business sounds like standard fare of most of Hollywood's faux-epic films that we see from time to time.
I can't wait to play the game myself...but the ads are almost...ALMOST as bad as Sony's cooky baby commercials...I honestly don't think I've seen a more disturbing video game ad than that...::shivers::
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Yeah, that ad just didn't sit well with me. Making this game into a real life war drama is milking it for too much.
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what's the big deal? I'll say it. F!@# Halo! F^$% Bill Gates! he's a homo.
and yes I agree I'm sick of Fps games....at least there's not a WWII game this year.
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Are you on acid or something? Halo has 1 mil preorders, not 5. Stop dreaming and get a job.
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14 - I think it all goes down to jealousy.
Ever time there is a popular game, especially a game that is for a specific system. Some one always got something bad to say. If you do not like a specific game do not buy it. But do you think Bungie is going care what Adam says or that kitty aid. I would not. They are going to make tons of money and regardless of what people say it still going to be the best game so far this year. It going to be a great way to start this holiday season. And as for over hype, Microsoft has to do what it gots to do, it is called marketing. So if everbody is all hype about Halo 3 than Microsoft did thier job. But bottom line is Halo 3 is just a game and if you like it great if you do not that it is great also. Not everybody is going to like a game even if it is a great game or not. There are actual people that hate Zelda: OOT. So, no one is going to be please with everything. So, stop hating and just deal with your Resistance Fall of Man, LOL sony fans.
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Keyword: MARKETING. You earned your bubble, man. :-)
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15 - How pathetic Sony fans
Damn I have dyslexia and I'm the one who is supposed to have reading problems.
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Funny stuff. Some people just like to rebel against things which are popular.I think Jaffe was speaking to one of those people.
The thing is Halo is the best example of a FPS on a console. At this moment it's the king of console FPS. It has yet to be dethroned.
I will be having lots of fun on the 26th. So will a lot of others.
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David Jaffe: "It's an issue of them riding on the sentimentality of people when they talk about how much they care and understand the sacrifice of the soldiers and then put out a sub par shooter that has nothing to do in the play mechanics or design with the sacrifice the soldiers went thru."
I agree with DJ, it's all about the marketing image they are trying to create for themselves and they don't give a damn about the veterans realy. Shame!
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