FF13 Graphics Changes in Action

AP - 157 days 8 hours ago

If that's the case, it's a lie - the second image came out on the Advent Children Complete Blu Ray, before ANY footage of the 360 version was shown - the first 360 Footage was shown at E3 2009, after the Blu Ray went to print.

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Xiphos - 157 days 8 hours ago

Who knows, can't believe half the crap you see/read over there.

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GWAVE - 157 days 7 hours ago

Though many people here simply see me as "some stupid Sony fanturd", I'll still say my piece:

This isn't because of the 360. Squarenixidos has proven many times this generation that they are slipping. Their game quality is getting worse and worse. Play "Last Remnant" if you don't believe me.

If I'm going to blame anyone for the drop in quality, I'd point the finger right at S-E.

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ApocalyPS3 - 157 days 7 hours ago

"were they necessary changes for performance, or are they to accomodate the game's multiplatform status"

Don't forget that they're building this game on a PC anyway, so the builds before any official footage from either console would've naturally looked and/or played better than what we're going to see in the end.

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Blaze929 - 157 days 7 hours ago

I don't think we should worry about the graphics possibly getting dumbed down, at least on the PS3. Square said they will use nearly 100% of the PS3's abilities. We shall be the judges of that when the game releases this year in Japan.

360 though, if they manage to get that version running similar to the PS3 version, then that will be VERY interesting.

EDIT: Why the dissagrees? Did Square not say they were going to use nearly 100% of the PS3's power?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

The demo looked nice and that was only at 50% according to producer Yoshinori Kitase. I'm not saying I believe them but until we have the final product in our hands why is there a reason not to believe them? Thus eliminating the need to worry

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AAACE5 - 157 days 7 hours ago

They both look good to me, but you can tell the top one clearly has more detail than the lower picture.

You can see alot of the shadowing has been removed. It looks like Lightning has a blocky shoulder in the lower pic, as opposed to the top pic. The detail in lightnings hair is is removed. In the lower pic, Lightnings eyes do look a bit more realistic than in the upper pic.In the lower pic lightenings chin has a point in it as opposed to the top having a smooth surface, indicating they may be using less polygons for the character models.

We won't know the truth about this issue until SE themselves make a formal announcement.

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AP - 157 days 7 hours ago

Personally, I believe the early shots of the game were bullshots, and we're only now starting to see the (slightly jaggier) truth. I don't think it has to do with multiplatform stuff.

FF13 still looks amazing graphically, it just doesn't look as great as something like Gears or Uncharted.

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PixlSheX - 157 days 7 hours ago

FFXIII is the first SE game on PS3 so i wouldn't eat that sh!t of "We are going to use nearly 100% of the PS3 power"

If i learned something about SE, is that they're good at lying.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 157 days 7 hours ago

this again, what a load of bs.

their newest trailer which was out two months ago showed no such down grade from the trailer that was shown almost a year ago.

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

and focusing on 360's specific version it showed no differences from the e3 jap trailer that was shown almost a year ago.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

i don't think ANY company would make a game that's quality would be worse than it's demo.

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CrazzyMan - 157 days 7 hours ago

But for now, we can thank M$ for this...
You can`t expect to run a game on a multiplatform engine as good as on optimized for one specific platform engine...

However, let`s wait for the FINAL build, though Square become cheap company, they still are known for a HIGH quality graphics. =)

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RustInPeace - 157 days 6 hours ago

S-E may have said they were using nearly 100% of the PS3s power, but with new games such as Uncharted 2 not quite using the PS3 to the fullest and looking as good as it/that does already, I highly doubt that S-E can do such an undertaking which no other dev team has done yet. Also, for a multiplat game, if they "were" to use the fullest of the PS3, wouldn't that throw off their claim of "equality" between then multiple versions? I'm not saying that the 360 can't do it, but the PS3 could possibly have a slight edge against the 360 version if 100% of its power were used. I think they're just boasting to put the fans at ease, although many fans have pretty much let it been known that the quality of S-E games have sunk within the past few years in the eyes of the gamers, especially ANYTHING involving this particular game.

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7ero H3LL - 157 days 6 hours ago

( CrazzyMan )

"Well, atleast we still have FFXIII Versus, which may show the true potential of CT engine
But for now, we can thank M$ for this...
You can`t expect to run a game on a multiplatform engine as good as on optimized for one specific platform engine...

However, let`s wait for the FINAL build, though Square become cheap company, they still are known for a HIGH quality graphics. =)"

dumb comment, you say that it's all bad and ms is to blame for it.......then you say "let`s wait for the FINAL build"

are you trying to sugar coat your fan-boyish comments?

the final build isn't out till 2010, till then I'm guessing your just going to still keep saying the same sour sh1t huh.

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ABizzel1 - 157 days 6 hours ago

Well this is going to end badly.

There is a difference, but my guess is that the original was from the PS3 version of the game which has been in development for the longest, and the later is from the 360 version. We know the 360 version is a port of the PS3 version, so this might be what the game looks like after the porting process from PS3 to 360 until it's optimized for the 360.

I hope the quality of the PS3 version hasn't suffered, and that this is just the 360 before it's optimized to match the original.

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MGSR THE HD VERSION - 157 days 6 hours ago

it's amazing how most of you guys lose hope.

just cause it went multiplat.

besides i remember those screens, they're old, they were out before this E3.

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Immortal Kaim - 157 days 6 hours ago

Guys, we have all seen the E3 trailers of both the PS3 and 360 versions, as well as played the PS3 demo, neither look as bad as that second shot. Infact, after viewing the footage again, I would say they are on par with the first screen shot.

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Mozilla89 - 157 days 6 hours ago

And here we go...

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Jaces - 157 days 4 hours ago

Yea, how many times have we heard that developers have/are using 100% of the PS3's capabilities/power?

Enough to know 100% of what they say is bull. Personally...if XIII turns out to be another XII, then count me out. XII bored me to tears.

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badz149 - 157 days 4 hours ago

luckily I don't really care for FFXIII from the beginning because I've never played any FF before and never will play XIII! but if vsXIII will have a gameplay anything like KH, then, I think I'll buy it! by the way, where's my KH3, SE??

it's only logical for SE to do something quite extreme in order to cater to the DVD from the original BD plan! if on the PS3 it will be anything around 25GB, then they will need at least 4 DVD if they are going to do the same thing (theoretically) and if they were planning to use a 50GB BD, then more DVDs will be needed OR they can compress everything and stay at 720p or less for the whole game, (because I read somewhere that they are going 1080p for cutscenes) that will make more sense cost-wise and quality-wise and will require less storage space! I don't think they will want to make it look superior on 1 particular console because they also said something like there will be no returning back to earlier area during the game which I think is to minimize disc changing on 360! - correct me if I'm wrong!

so...out of the 2 possibilities, I think, SE will go with the 2nd! because if I'm Wada, I'll go for that! (but I don't want to be Wada, because he's STUPID!)

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mastiffchild - 157 days 3 hours ago

Well, the originals might have nothing to do with the PS3 and these nothing to do with 360,imo. We just don't know at all.

I will say, though, that it's inevitable that the game will be visually inferior as a multi to what it would have been as an exclusive. And I mean exclusive to either console as well. Any multiplat is victim to the shortcomings of both consoles and can't use the full strength of either as a result of the dev not wanting to alienate people. We've all seen the results possible with a long dev cycle on PS3 exclusives(and I think will see the same kind of thing with AW and SCC to a large extent), results which leave all multis way behind and SE won't be any different. In fact as this is their first PS3 game they might find it even harder now the extra restrictions of the 360s limits have been added to the mix to get the PS3 version running well at a similar level-we've seen it before and in Ghostbusters case even with PS3 as lead platform.

So while IDK much from the screenshots I do know that had this stayed exclusive to PS3(or, indeed gone to 360 exclusively) we'd have a better looking end result-it's just the way things work and, among other reasons to feel mffed, PS3 only gamers can feel a bit gutted that they won't ever get the FF13 they expected. I might be wrong and SE could shock me totally but I doubt it and if these shots ARE anything to go by then it's even less likely to happen.

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1ikedamaster - 157 days 3 hours ago

The bottom pic is clearly the ps3 version.(I kid)

Top pic looks better but most would probably prefer the softer-looking version.

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Bob Loblaw - 157 days 2 hours ago

The lighting in the second screen literally looks like a high quality PS2 game's!

THIS is why PS3 fans are disappointed about FF13 going to 360. 360 fanboys were saying that PS3 fanboys aren't as pumped because it's not an exclusive, exclusivity doesn't matter; it's because the game will be dumbed down so it can run on 360 and fit on 1 disc.

Imagine KZ2 on 360; it would look like CoD4 and stuff would have been taken out to fit on a 9 gig DVD.

Bigger storage + More power = Potentially better game and that's a fact! Imagine what Bungie and Epic could do with 5 times more space and much more power...

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TheReaper42 - 157 days ago

the 2nd shot was a screen capture off of youtube. There I've said it, don't bite my bubbles please.

2 things I can tell. 2nd pic looks blurrier. 2nd pic, the girls actually LOOK like girls... the 1st pic had a guy/girl lightning (can't really tell) and a doll girl on the right.

Basically art direction changed with some bloom/blurriness.

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Shbzshar - 156 days 23 hours ago

@Bob loblaw

hahah... go finish your bob loblaw law blog man ...

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FarEastOrient - 156 days 22 hours ago

I already mentioned it before, but there has been downgrading of the Final Fantasy XIII game ever since the start of the Xbox 360 build. Even though Iwada said that the Xbox 360 build wouldn't start until the PS3 version is complete, we can say that he lied since he promised that both versions will look identical.

If you want to compare the capabilities of consoles and their ability to play Square Enix games, compare the live game code engine of Final Fantasy XIII Versus compared to the live code of Final Fantasy XIII after it went multi-platform. I've mentioned this on TQcast gamer show when talked about game screens of Final Fantasy XIII when it was still exclusive compared to screens of today.

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morganfell - 156 days 21 hours ago

They are definitely using lower res textures. And lower res textures mean they can fit more of the game into a smaller space. Now which console has a disk space issue? Mystery solved.

The change is likely due to the discovery by SE on just how much disk space was going to be needed. This was something not evident until levels were fleshed out. Now they know and we know and we all see the result. After all, there is no logical reason for a game to get uglier during the dev process except the platform cannot handle it - and we know the PS3 can from the demo - or else a system lacks storage space and we know the 360 lacks that.

Thanks Microsoft for dumbing down FFXIII for the entire world.

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NeoCloud - 156 days 21 hours ago

I have the PS3 Demo Version and it looks really good [even at 50% thats what SE is telling us].But if you want to blame someone dont Blame the X360 or the PS3, blame SquareEnix.

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vhero - 156 days 19 hours ago

They said in an interview over 2 years ago making for one console meant they could get the best out of the game. Switching to dual consoles means they have to dumb the game down I just didn't think it would be so bad.

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commodore64 - 156 days 16 hours ago

..... Don't mean to incite a riot here, but there seems to be a lot of ps3 fans thinking that the lower quality screenshot must be from the 360 version which by implication means this is holding the ps3 version back somehow.

No factual evidence for such speculation exists, of course, and thereby it all remains bog-standard case of speculative delusion.
I think the gamerzone would be better if we just stuck to the facts.

Thus:
Factually, we all know that multiplats run demonstrably better on 360, most of the time:
http://misterslimm.wordpres...

So why would this multiplat game be any different than the clearly established trend?

I have a sneaking suspicion, that, when all is said and done, the 360 version will easily match or shame the ps3 version, and in the latter case, n4g will surely blow up at 1 million degrees!

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No, it ain't 2006, read the article I provided.
Multiplats continue, in 2009, to run better on 360.
That's a fact.

Also, wasn't Ghostbusters led on ps3?
Once again, we all know how that worked out.

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morganfell - 156 days 16 hours ago

Unlike most other multiplats, this title was designed for the PS3 using an engine built for the PS3. When the PS3 is the lead platform the results are differnt. Your reasoning (?) is so 2006.

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Jaces - 156 days 15 hours ago

As true as that may be, is it such a gap as to be able to claim one version is more superior than the other?

No. Aside from Ghostbusters, which was an atrocity, there is no significant difference between the two versions when put side by side. Perhaps slightly better lighting or shading among some "jaggies" but that's about it.

Let's be honest, if a 360 version of a game ran worse than it's PS3 counterpart, you'd still get the 360 version. If not then I've misjudged you but from a fanboys perspective I'm spot on.

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meepmoopmeep - 156 days 14 hours ago

i've played the demo many many times

the graphics aren't bad at all.
they're on par with most of the graphic heavy hitters
released this gen already.

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scissor_runner - 156 days 13 hours ago

Some thing tells me MGSR THE HD VERSION that most of these guys where not FF fans in the first place. Seriously even if it is dumbed down then it is still better than the last one that came out. Does it matter more for your system to win the power battle or for you to get the game you wanted.

This same thinking is maybe why other smaller devs will just let you destroy the reputation of the bigger devs and publishers. With out the bigger devs/publisher there would be no HD gaming LOL.

Keep this up and HD gaming will self destruct. I know you all will blame nintendo but the way you guys are acting right now will surely do more damage than people having fun.

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Gamertags - 154 days 11 hours ago

the 360 version of this game will probably be the superior version in terms of graphics. As we have already seen time and time again, the 360 counterparts are usually sharpers with better frame rates.

I hope they are exactly the same as I am tired of hearing all this fanboyism.

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Arnon - 152 days 20 hours ago

The 'new' images that look worse, are from Jump Festa 2008.

http://forums.gametrailers....

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Allelujah00 - 157 days 4 hours ago

However, once it went multiplat, SE probably saw the difficulties it was having running on the 360.

For christ sake M$, why must you ruin our fun. :(

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Game13a13y - 156 days 22 hours ago

the version back before SE announced it going multiplat. who cares about equal quality and same release date between PS 3 and 360 versions. just release the better version first (which is the PS3 version of coz) then let the 360 fans wait for their waterdowned version. SE really dropped the ball on this one.

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tordavis - 156 days 10 hours ago

Laughs at all the tools who think the 360 is gimping the PS3 version.

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iamtehpwn - 157 days 7 hours ago

I'm playing Final Fantasy X @ 1680x1050,
and the graphics on the game are absolutely amazing.

I play Final Fantasy X INTERNATIONAL in entirely Japanese.
Here are some screens:

http://img39.imageshack.us/...
http://img7.imageshack.us/i...
http://img36.imageshack.us/...
http://img193.imageshack.us...
http://img44.imageshack.us/...

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Marceles - 157 days 7 hours ago

Brings me back to when FFX first came out on PS2...just amazing. The last 2 you didnt have to add lol, cut scenes tend to look worse since the resolution stretches it out :P, but the gameplay shots don't look much older than RPGs this gen surprisingly.

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atwon23 - 157 days 7 hours ago

I didn't buy an hdtv for nothing. So for me graphics are of some importance. If a good story was all that mattered I would just read a book.

@below

I like older rpgs a lot. But I have older systems to play them on. I don't want an older looking rpg on my Ps3\360.

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AP - 157 days 6 hours ago

Still looks superb! And FFXII looks even better. Wow. This game will be amazing looking, I'm sure.

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tplarkin7 - 157 days 6 hours ago

FFX was a technological disappointment when I played it 8 years ago. Fixed cameras, pre-rendered backgrounds, and blocky real-time graphics. The cutscenes were well done.

Skies of Arcadia was a better game then.

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Dirty Beaver - 157 days 6 hours ago

lol the second image looks like the game got gimped. The visual are weaker and the background detail is less appealing.

I swear if this game gets gimped in anyway or form i'll be F'ing pissed. Man who am i kidding, the game was already gimped when they announced it multiplat.

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lociefer - 157 days 6 hours ago

and we can all thank 360 / microshaft for this , hope u enjoy the downgraded game u frikin salesbots !

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Jason 360 - 157 days 5 hours ago

98% of all superior 360 multiplats say hi :) After all look at PS3 Ghostbusters, now thats what you call a "downgrade" :)

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IcyJoker187 - 157 days 5 hours ago

dumbass bot

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Jason 360 - 157 days 4 hours ago

2006 to 2009 N4G is a good place to start, so is Google, Yahoo, Bing, Kotaku, Joystiq, Digg, IGN, Gamespot or any other game related site. Multiplats look and run better on the 360, it's a fact. What cave have you been living in?

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Mooey - 157 days 4 hours ago

At Jason the tard:
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

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Roronoa-Zoro - 157 days 3 hours ago

those dont count. the only games that count are the once made by developers that dont know how to work on ps3

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Jason 360 - 157 days 3 hours ago

Mooey you found 7 games, I was wrong about 98%, it's more like 99%. Thanks Mooey for helping me own you, or own yourself. I can now use that link to show the huge list of PS3 games that look better than the 360 versions :D

dumbass

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1ikedamaster - 157 days 3 hours ago

One things for sure Jason, FFXIII will look blurry just like every multi' for ps3.

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ZOMBIEMAN1 - 157 days 2 hours ago

so true my friend as a gamer and PS3 owner moey and the sdf are an embarrassment to the PS3 community just like the xdf is an embarrassment to 360 community and the NDF is an embarrassment to the Wii community ( it's because there comprised of old men and 3 year olds ) but also does it matter unless a game is completely unplayable on 1 version does it make it inferior if the one has slightly better textures like COJ Bound in Blood it looked better on 360 but i didn't notice anything wrong when i played it on PS3 i was too busy playing the game to notice it besides we all know it's not the systems fault if both versions aren't on par it's the developers who made them is too blame

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topdawg122 - 157 days 2 hours ago

Thanks a lot X bots!!! Geez!

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Jason 360 - 157 days 2 hours ago

http://www.gametrailers.com...

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

http://hlime.wordpress.com/...

http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xb...

http://forums.dvdfile.com/g...

http://www.geeks3d.com/2008...

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el zorro - 157 days ago

When this game comes out and is proven to look better on the 360 and when Versus comes out exclusively on the PS3 and looks no better I wonder if PS3 fanboys will take back all this nonsense they are spewing. Probably not. They will just move on to the next thing to lie about.

But you can't hide the truth, the vast majority of multiplats look better on the 360. Digital Foundry at Eurogamer has done 20 multiplatform face-offs (a handful of games in each face-off) and the 360 has won every one of them.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

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Mooey - 156 days 23 hours ago

@El Zorro

Less biased websites please. Eurolamer is lame.

@Jason, the guy who gets more retarded by the second

16 games of 31... Hmmm, that's 50% of the time where Xbox 360 games are better. The other times? 8/31 or 25% were tied, and 22% of PS3 games were better (let's throw in FF13 as well) which would make that 8/32 or 25% of games are better.

All in all, your multis are better, I give you that, but I really don't care if Wrestlemania MCXVI has less jaggies than the PS3 unlike you. I'm just simply proving you and your fellow dumbasses that agreed with you completely and utterly wrong.

Thanks for playing.

Oh and don't quit your day job. You are pretty pathetic at mathematics.

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Mooey - 156 days 22 hours ago

Oh, and just in case someone wants to comment and say that doesn't equal 100%, I didn't care to look at the decimal numbers.

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BooHooBot - 156 days 22 hours ago

y is woman in 1st picture so pwetty and 2nd ugly goo goo? me want 1st picture, wahhhh wahhhh!

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Tony Scarboni - 156 days 18 hours ago

It totally does look like it was downgraded. One can't help but wonder if this was due to the 360, the earlier screenshot was taken from when it was PS3 exclusive, which, by the way, is the lead platform. My geuss is that the second screenshot is a 360 build.

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commodore64 - 156 days 16 hours ago

@ above

are you on drugs?

While the plethora of gimped ps3 multiplats may not be exactly 98%, it is plainly obvious which platform most often comes out on top.

Jason has provided plenty of alternate links to the usual eurogamer and lot sites, and i have found one to summarise the findings.
http://misterslimm.wordpres...

In fact out of all the multi games released so far, the 360 comes out superior 95 times, while the ps3 barely manages 15 superior multis, leaving the remaining 45 tied.

Even if you ADD the tied games and the superior ps3 multis, the sum total is still about HALF of the superior 360 multis.
Blows the mind doesn't it?

What's more, the trend continues to this day!
Out of 6 recent multiplats, in the link supplied, 5 were once again superior on the 360!
That's not even counting games such as 'Call of juarez', which most recently also were found to be demonstrably inferior on ps3.

Given this overwhelming evidence, I think it is FAR more likely that the build of FFXIII that is gimped is. in fact, the ps3 version.

With this conclusion in mind, I am really sorry to see so much gaming potential wasted on catering for the deficiencies of the ps3, again.

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baker_boi - 156 days 14 hours ago

Dude that screen shot is from the PS3 demo, that came with Advent Children...You guys seem to forget that.

It did look like THAT, now it looks like garbage.
It doesn't make sense to downgrade the game that much when it was already up and running in better quality.

It seems that the cut scenes have been with replaced with some "in-game" models.

Something Eurogamer themselves said would mostly be a solution to space on the 360 version.

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Mooey - 156 days 14 hours ago

All bots in this thread are beyond helpless.They can't even bother to read much less do simple arithmetic. The first is a PS3 build from the Advent Children demo, the second is either the 360 build or the same PS3 build AFTER the game was gimped up.

Bots are so optimistically blind that they can't even fathom that their console does poorly because they buy into all of these comparison videos where the Xbox 360 is the lead platform of choice. This is not the case however, and it deeply shows. Get your heads out of your asses for once, bots, and look at the true power of the PS3 and Blu-ray, and then looked down to your faded 360 "washed-out" graphics. Had this game been released for PS3 only, it would seem like the end-all, be-all for you bots. A shame really because that's what made so many people buy the system, and now they have the option of buying a far less powerful machine with faulty hardware and a crappy 2009 lineup.

Such a beautiful game destroyed thanks to limitations of a console. This is what Microsoft has caused when they joined the market. If not, we would have all of these gorgeous games on a single platform with breathtaking 1080p and 60fps. Thanks Milkcroshaft and company

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JonnyBadfinger - 155 days 18 hours ago

sh*t graphics for a sh*t game.

Final Fantasy is the worst franchise ever, give it back to sony. Why in hell microsoft would want it is beyond me, the game only sells in japan and thats also the only group of people the game targets. if a couple of foreigners decide they like it, its just a plus.

Why is a game which its gameplay is based on taking turns at attacking each other considered good. Reminds me of War tatics back in the 17 and 18 century, line up and take turns at shooting each other, GAY!!

HOPE THIS GAME DIES IN THE ARSE!

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ShinGino - 157 days 6 hours ago

The 1st screen is from the older PS3 built, before it went multi-plat on the 2nd screen.

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Murderdolls - 157 days 6 hours ago

False.

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ShinGino - 157 days 6 hours ago

Oh that's easy, I can do that to you too, watch:

False.

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jack who - 157 days 7 hours ago

lolz

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Etseix - 157 days 7 hours ago

i shall blame the xbox if the game gets released with poor gpx

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Wiimaniac - 156 days 16 hours ago

MS is not only ruining gaming, they even have the shame to sell broken consoles... The worst part is that they know it and they don't care. =/

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Murderdolls - 157 days 7 hours ago

2006?

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MariusElijah - 157 days 6 hours ago

Dont worry Murderdolls once you play Versus you will see what FF13 could have look like

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Murderdolls - 157 days 6 hours ago

I haven't even seen a screenshot of verses so I can't say I want to play it.

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ZOMBIEMAN1 - 157 days 3 hours ago

look for the FFvs13 trailer that was in FF13 demo in Advent Children there's a scene were Noctis is talking to a woman it's obviously a cut scene but i am pretty sure it's in game graphics and it looks amazing

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hellghan666 - 157 days 6 hours ago

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this is pics of 2009 imo....

lawz......

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