Zelda Director Won't Quit Until He Betters 'Ocarina of Time'

AAACE5 - 379 days 6 hours ago

Based on the Zelda games he's made already... I would have to say, the only way he could make a better game than OoT, is to remake OoT with better graphics!

The last Zelda games just didn't have that "Gotta play it to the end" feeling! Which leads me to believe he lacks the magic that Miyamoto has/had for the franchise!

I am almost willing to say there will probably never be another great zelda game again! If you liked some of the others, then cool! But the last few didn't keep my attention. And I have been a zelda fan since the original NES one came out!

I hope he can make a better game than OoT... we need it!

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sidar - 379 days 4 hours ago

"not save zelda and kill ganon everygame"
Never played a zelda game have you xD?

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nbnt - 379 days 10 hours ago

i agree

they really need a powerful console to do what they did on N64 ... N64 + OOT = like no other ... but that was on 1998 ... in the mean time with the Wii , i don't think they will achieve it ...

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lloyd_wonder - 379 days 9 hours ago

I think you're on to something. I think the appeal back then for OOT was in part, the technology. I think in order for that feeling to be felt again, it has to be a game that is truly ground breaking; on the technology side and push innovation in gameplay.

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lloyd_wonder - 379 days 9 hours ago

Seeds of Evil was a classic. Rouge Squadron, also.

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sidar - 379 days 9 hours ago

Did any of you ever noticed that their console was always around 200 dollars?
It just seemed that hardware at that time was just cheap enough, not only to create a powerful machine but also to sell it at a low price..
Now hardware is sh/t loads more expensive and they went for a 250 dollar console...and this is what you get this time around.

Their next console = HD, no doubt about it because the japans broadcasting is going to change(like any other country). They will be forced to go HD anyway. I think Wii would had at least 720P support IF japan was already fully broadcasting HD. But not everyone had a HD.
Lots of people still watching on their SD tv. But once television stations go HD people will need a HD tv.

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Monteblanco - 379 days 9 hours ago

Sidar, the only thing I am sure about Nintendo next console is that it will cost about US$ 250.00 and will offer the best graphics possible at this price and still give Nintendo a few bucks at each sale. Fortunately, in a few years, this will includes HD graphics.

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sidar - 379 days 8 hours ago

You can be sure about it being at that price, since they want it to be affordable.
What the next Specs will be i don't know...who knows?...but the out put will be at least 720P, that's obvious.
If MS can sell 360's at the price of 150 euro ( and a wii is 250) then it should at least do what 360 is doing.

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Killjoy3000 - 379 days 6 hours ago

Exactly. I mean, look at MGS4. Kojima just needed the tech. Even if there were a Zelda game that embraced groundbreaking visuals and psysics and such, I would still go with Team ICO's next game.

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AAACE5 - 379 days 5 hours ago

GTA 4 is special!

People were expecting it to be like the other GTA games. So I can understand why they didn't like it! I felt the same way at first. But once I played it for what it was, and not compare it to past entries... I loved it!

The GTA franchise was always to get more realistic! GTA 1 was just mostly stupid fun. GTA 2 was a bit more exciting. Gta 3 brought 3-d environments. Vice city gave more variety. San andreas was the biggest with more activities and fun. GTA 4 is pushing to make a more realistic approach, by adding a dramatic story.

Alot of fans miss all the old stuff, but what you fail to realize is, this is a repeat of 3! GTA 3 was mainly to see how they could handle the technology. So the next couple GTA games should offer more variety. But I think the realistic physics are here to stay.

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Wiimaniac - 379 days 7 hours ago

"A Link to The Past" was simply a return to the classic view of the first Zelda while Zelda OOT was a totally revamped Zelda.

A Link to the Past = Zelda(nes) on steroids

Zelda OOT = first 3-D zelda game ever

With the transition came a lot of new things like fighting mechanics, atmosphere, sense of exploration, puzzles, cut-scenes... It wasn't simply adding to an existing idea but to create a new one from out of nothing(well not exactly "from out of nothing" but you get my point right?). That's what we call innovation.

From what I understand he doesn't wants to just make a new Zelda derived from OOT. They already did that with Twilight Princess, but to create a new Zelda that for this time be as good as OOT was for its time. So good that 10 years later there's still a lot of people playing it and praising it.

Anyway, with so much people spoiled with HD graphics I don't think this guy could archive such a task with the Wii. Zelda OOT pushed everything from gameplay to graphics... So much that every Zelda after OOT are just OOT on steroids, the same as "A Link to the Past" with the first Zelda on nes.

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Foxgod - 379 days 7 hours ago

you got a point, but i care about having fun with a game, a link to the past was the zelda game that provided me the most fun.

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AAACE5 - 379 days 5 hours ago

I've been noticing a trend with zelda games! The original one for NES seems like OoT is the remake for it! Majora's mask seems like the remake for Zelda 2, and Wind Waker seems like the remake of a like to the past!

I understand they have differences from the compared game, but they all seel really close to eachother for some reason!

Oh, graphics don't make a great game, but they help create the emotional bond which convinces the gamer.

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Millah - 379 days 1 hour ago

No, they just need to make another Zelda game that is as groundbreaking and perfectly executed the way OOT was in 98. I don't love OOT for nostalgia, I love it for how awe-struck it left me playing it.

The problem they have this generation is trying to capture that same feeling gamers felt after playing OOT. They need to make better stories, OOT had a great story that was simple and effective, watching Link fight a battle of more than ten years is epic. They just need to put more effort into them and reinvent the series the way OOT did. They need that magic again. Eiji and Miyamoto have done it once, they can certainly do it again, if Miyamoto actually gets back to designing games again like he used to instead of doing crazy ridiculous Wii stuff.

They also need to realize that Zelda is a series that is originally meant for the gamers, not the casual.

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sidar - 379 days 6 hours ago

It's miyamoto's franchise...how can he not be involved?
I think the team without him wouldn't know what to do since they never worked without him.

Edit: i meant yesh, they could do something, but it would become something totally different as a zelda title.

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jtucker78 - 379 days 2 hours ago

Zelda is Miyamoto's, they have to get feedback from him.

But that doesn't mean they have to rely on him.

Look at Galaxy. Miyamoto didn't work on that. The Mario team had to run ideas by him and get feedback, but the physics and gravity ideas weren't Miyamoto's. I forget his name but it was one of the other guys that came up with all the ideas.
Miyamoto's involvement was: This has to be in a mario game, you have to include this somehow, but apart from that the other guys ran with it.

Miyamoto was off working on Wii Sports and Wii Music.

But I agree with you that Eiji Aonuma needs to follow his own ideas. Especially as Miyamoto has stated that he wants to make Zelda more approachable to the new casual audience. :/

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LethalToxins - 379 days 2 hours ago

You could always get an emulator for it and play it on your pc...not that I advocate piracy or anything...

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jtucker78 - 379 days 2 hours ago

"TP has way better graphics than OoT or any zelda before it, but it is not a better game."

Yes, but you are forgetting that OoT was brilliant graphics, draw distance EVERYTHING "for the time". Which is where the immersion came from.

TP was better graphically than OoT, true, but it was a fairly bland below average looking game for 2006. Compare it to Gears of War. That game got the wow factor.
By the time, we'd finished drooling over Gears, Zelda TP came out and it looked - meh.
It was a good game, but the first impression you got was:
"Oh :-( well, at least it will play well."

I don't think Nintendo need the most powerful console, they can get great results out of their hardware, but not only was TP originally a Gamecube game, but the Wii is way way way way below either of the other current gen consoles in processing power.
Sorry I didn't say "way" enough.
Way way way way way way way way way way way way way below the specs of the other two consoles.

If Nintendo's specs were even close to PS3 and 360, then I think that Nintendo would have a shot, but at the moment they're trying to tune a hair dryer motor to compete in the Indy 500.

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jtucker78 - 378 days 9 hours ago

You probably won't read this but...

You're right that DMC4 was worse than DMC2 but DMC4 wasn't particularly amazing graphics for this gen. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but not wow.

I don't claim to have a golden rule. Graphics does not "always" equal best games, but there is a significant relationship there.
There'll always be exceptions, but the exceptions are usually games where story isn't important so you don't need to be immersed in the virtual world.
Like World of Goo, Tetris, Boom Blox - stuff like that.

But why is it that the best looking games of the generation are always the best? Galaxy graphics are phenomenal for a Wii and IMO is far better than any other Wii game.

OoT was a gorgeous game when it released. It was dripping with atmosphere.
RE4 last gen on Gamecube - same thing - walking up that graveyard near the village, in the rain, lightning cracking in the sky lighting up the landscape - for the time it was immersive as hell.

I liken this effect to movie special effects. People used to freak out over Titanic because of how far ahead the special effects were. But watch the movie now and the effects look awful, in the final scenes the effects look so bad that it's a constant reminder that you are watching something computer generated and you're not part of the experience.

Look at Killzone 2 - I know the KZ1 didn't do well, but wait for this one. It will get phenomenal reviews, and it will be the graphics, animation, environment that will do it. At it's heart it is like COD4, but because it puts you right into a new world, with phenomenal visuals it will be regarded as a masterpiece.

I know in 10 years time we'll all be saying how basic and crappy it looks, but for right now it is amazing.
OoT when it came out was amazing.

What have we got next year for Wii? Which two games look like they will be the best?
Conduit - pushing Wii visuals, attempting HD console lighting effects.
Madworld - brilliant cell shaded visual style.
The two games that will also have the best visuals.

Maybe the reason all the best games have the best graphics is because if a developer puts effort into gameplay they often put lots of effort into visuals.

All I'm saying is that RPGs set in huge virtual world, need to look amazing to hook you and pull you in. Like OoT did back in the day, and I attribute that to it's visuals, animation and attention to detail. Hyrule field almost felt like a real place.

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jtucker78 - 378 days 9 hours ago

"Tp didn't even include Death Mountain."

Seriously? - Death Mountain was one of the first few levels! Next to Kakariko Village? Sound familiar?

"I think that what Zelda needs is a larger world. This would allow for more levels (which is part of what made a Link to the Past great), and more classic Hyrule land features."

I don't think Zelda needs to be bigger for you. Seeing as you haven't even got through the first couple of dungeons!
You certainly don't need more levels!

linkmaster95?? Yeah right!

I never thought I'd be quoting Captain_Sony, but you shouldn't be criticising a game that you blatantly haven't played!

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jtucker78 - 377 days 9 hours ago

I can't believe I checked back again. I know I'm sad :-)

You can have an agreement today! And a bubble.
I like how you take my negative comments, don't take offense and give me an intelligent and articulate argument in response. I do often agree with what you say. But I often like to play devil's advocate - doesn't often go down well on N4G!
(especially with Captain_Sony - I've been called a Sony FBoy and a hater by him more times than I can count.)

There are always two sides to a story, and there are so many factors why sales are high for some products, why a game is good, that our simplistic reasons for why something is why it is are often only part of the reason. OoT for example. It just does so much right, and it was new, different.

I guess if you're a passionate developer you're going to make the game well rounded all over, which is why graphics often go hand in hand with gameplay.
I must admit I am a big fan of graphics - as you may have guessed. I guess we're all different. Maybe that is why OoT was universally well received. Every aspect of the game was so well rounded that different parts appealed to different people.

I'm really looking forward to the Conduit too. I really hope they nail the online. That is the only thing that worries me, because there isn't a beta, and there isn't the opportunity to patch if something doesn't work too well.
(I know patching is wrong. Games should work properly in the first place - but games are getting so complicated these days that chances of problems being introduced are really high)
I'd hate for the Conduit to be let down because of something small that got introduced in the final version but wasn't found. I work in software testing and I know how easily this can happen on complex software.
The guys at High Voltage are a passionate bunch and I'd like to see their effort rewarded.

Although I must admit I am looking forward to Killzone 2 more, and you can guess why - I know, I know I'm shallow. But only with video game graphics, not with women ;-)
I'll be picking up the conduit too, because even though I am a fan of dual analogue, I also got used to Wiimote IR in Metroid 3 and concede that Wiimotes are better for FPS. Should be fun in deathmatch!

Take it easy pal.

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