Sony unveils 240Hz LCD TV

PoSTedUP - 483 days 14 hours ago

im on the same page as YOU XD.

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Bombibomb - 483 days 14 hours ago

Getting one of these for Christmas! :D

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pwnsause - 483 days 14 hours ago

ZOMGz.

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Idonthatejustcreate - 483 days 12 hours ago

give me one of those plz

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jtucker78 - 483 days 11 hours ago

Yes, but did you notice the contrast ratio is only 3000:1?
That's almost as low as the average PC monitor!

Current Bravia Engine 2 Sony's are 33,000:1 and Samsung series 6 are up to 50,000:1

I guess it depends on what is most important to you. 240Hz would be amazing for a fast paced FPS team deathmatch session.
But for picture quality 3000:1 is a little low for me. I'll wait until the 240Hz catches up with the current models on the market.

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SafeRat - 483 days 11 hours ago

3000:1 is the norm - The '33000:1' and '50000:1' ratios are merely Dynamic Contrast Ratios. I.e, you only ever need to pay attention to the real CR, as the dynamics are there purely to coax consumers into tihnking ':O this one has a higher contrast ratio! It must be better!'

In reality, pretty much all the manufactures measure their own Dynamic CR's differently, but the only real way to compare them would be using the 'real' CR's - the 3000:1 stated here.

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jtucker78 - 483 days 10 hours ago

Hey you know your stuff SafeRat.
I guess Dynamic Contrast Ratio is cheating a bit by darkening dark pictures and lightening bright pictures to create the 33000:1 and 50000:1 figures, but 3000:1 isn't amazing.

I guess I'll have to save up for one of Pioneer's new Kuro plasmas instead :S
http://www.audioholics.com/...

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DARKKNIGHT - 483 days 8 hours ago

......picks up jaw.

and i was just getting used to the fine tuned xbr5.

Bluray is gonna look retarded with 1080p/24p/240mhz on. Ill probably wait for next batch of these beauties.

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legendkilla - 483 days 7 hours ago

for sure get a Pioneer plasma there the best on the market now...
i have a Pioneer PDP5060HD . Its only 1080i but it looks just as good as the new Sony XBR and Z4100 tv's from Sony :)

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ravenguard88 - 483 days 6 hours ago

It's not 240Hz/Second, because Hz is defined by cycles/second. "240Hz" means "240 refreshes in a second."

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Violater - 483 days 5 hours ago

The only reason this makes me happy is bc it will drive the prices of the other tv's DOWN!

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Leathersoup - 483 days 3 hours ago

Where did they say Hz/Sec? Did I miss something?

That would be like cycles/second/second...

Ahhh pwnsauce beat me to it.

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the4time2doctor0 - 483 days ago

Hz=cycles per second

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AAACE5 - 482 days 22 hours ago

I thought the 120 Hz was a dramatic improvement. But if you have a 240Hz TV and a Ps3... Wow... I believe people won't leave their homes for a while!

I can't wait to see how much better this is. Should really boost LCD TV sales!

Sony really does like to provide consumers with cutting edge technology.

@PostedUp. Hz reflects sony's true vision when they were creating the Ps3. They said the ps3 would be able to display at 120 frames per second, but no TV's were currently able to produce such a picture... So, they made it themselves! Now they are moving up to 240, which should blow peoples minds, and look as realistic as it can get at this point!

If you want to see what 120Hz really looks like, go to best buy and they have TV's set up showing the difference!

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Ben1054 - 480 days 7 hours ago

sony has found a great piece of technology for its ps4 that will be able to run any game at 240fps, so they are starting to roll out 240hz lcds so people can fully enjoy the ps4 soon as it comes out

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PoSTedUP - 483 days 14 hours ago

what do these "Hz" mean? like what major effect does it have on the picture/TV etc.?? sorry dont know too much about this stuff.

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pwnsause - 483 days 14 hours ago

Hz for a Tv is another way of saying Frames per second.

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SafeRat - 483 days 10 hours ago

240Hz is NOT 240fps. Hz is the screen refresh rate - not the same thing as frames per second. If you played a 60fps game on this screen, then each frame of the game would be displayed four times per second. The 'motionflow' part of the 240Hz is a fancy name for frame interpolation - in basic terms, the TV 'guesses' what's in between two of the frames of the 60fps game (8 refreshes on the screen), and then would display what the TV THINKS should be there.

Generally Sony sets are good at frame interpolation, though it will never be perfect, as it's effectively making up frames that aren't there. That's how you start getting artifacts on 120Hz, so, unless they've somehow erradicated the problem (very unlikely), you'll still see artifacts.

Just thought I'd let you know :)

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edhe - 483 days 8 hours ago

Hopefully this'll drive a nail through 120hz model prices.

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JoelR - 483 days 7 hours ago

having a higher frequency of updates doesn't make up frames (interpolate) but instead it allows repetition of frames instead

THE NEED FOR 120 hz WAS A RESULT OF THIS DISCONTINUITY:
a 30fps (29.97 actually) signal is standard TV
a 24fps signal is standard movie

a 60 Hz tv updates the screen 60 times a sec and allows every
tv frame to be duplicated 2x

BUT 24 does not go evenly into that frequency so a conversion called a 2:3 pulldown occurs. It spreads out 24 frames into 30 by placing one frame on the screen three times and the next one after that two times, and repeating this pattern ad infinitum.

poly frequency tvs were created just before 120 hz. They did 60 hz and 72 hz which allowed movies to show a 3 frame repeat cycle rather then the 3:2 pulldown) but that required additional circuitry so the 120 hz was launched...

120 IS THE FIRST COMMON MULTIPLE OF 30 and 24.

Therefore 120 hz allows allow tv signals to repeat the frame
120/30 = 4 frame repeat
120/24 = 5 frame repeat
the fact that the number of frame repeats no longer is required to change from frame to frame on movies reduces jitter in the image on horizontal pans

Europe had a different set of problems as 50 hz didn't support 30 fps so they ran 25 fps which essentially meant that they didn't do a pulldown on movies but movies shown on tv gained 1 frame every second (so movies were usually 1-2 minutes shorter when shown on tv)

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pwnsause - 483 days 6 hours ago

thats for telling me that bubble up.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 483 days 5 hours ago

That is how I understood it as well, so I'm not sure why one would need 240Hz. The motion isn't going to look any smoother, as it is limited by the actual frame rate of the movie/tv show/game.

I suspect this is a marketing gimmick. I mean why not, anything with a higher number is better right?

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JoelR - 482 days 7 hours ago

NOT - It just doesn't make sense as anything other then marketing... 240hz doesn't fix the last remaining issue...

600hz would allow Pal/Secam/NTSC/HDTV/Movies all to work properly as that is the LCM of 24,25, and 30

so no real purpose between 120 and 600

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Fishy Fingers - 483 days 13 hours ago

You can already do that on any 120hz screen.

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n4gzz - 483 days 13 hours ago

I don't think you can play games on 120 hz. I read everywhere that you actually have to set to 60 hz to play game properly.

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SilentShank - 483 days 13 hours ago

For those with console gaming, 120hz upscaling comes with a catch... because your TV has to upscale 60hz outputted from console games, your getting some significant input lag. Not to mention games running at 30 frames are upscaled twice, once by the console to 60hz, and another by your TV to obtain 120hz.

This new TV from Sony is really only useful if you can run PC games at or above 240 frames per second. Not to mention you won't be able to do this unless graphic card companies release a patch or something to support 240hz.

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Firstkn1ghT - 483 days 11 hours ago

Bubbles for knowing the facts.

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Bombibomb - 483 days 13 hours ago

Not all of us are human here you know. Most of us are bots and droids. :D

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Fishy Fingers - 483 days 13 hours ago

A common misconception is the human eye can only see 60fps, and frankly it's rubbish. The human eye can infact push past 200fps.

Here's some "light" reading http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01F...

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Guwapo77 - 483 days 13 hours ago

When you watch a movie that pans out over a vast area on a 60hz screen you can see the picture skip ever so slightly. On a 120hz TV that skip is virtually removed. From my stand point 120hz is all you need. 240hz...is an over kill. But you better believe I want one.

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SilentShank - 483 days 13 hours ago

Your eyes don't see at any specific clocked speed. They see what they see.

Having more frames jump out at a person just increases the amount of frames that person COULD see per second.

With 240 frames per second, your mind is able to comprehend 60 frames per quarter of a second... that means when counting "One Mississippi", you'll be seeing 60 seconds when you say the word One. Instead of just 15 frames with 60hz, and 30 for 120hz respectively.

When it comes to hz rates, the more the merrier.

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SilentShank - 483 days 12 hours ago

when counting "One Mississippi", you'll be seeing 60 *frames* when you say the word One.

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BrotherNick - 483 days 5 hours ago

so since the most people can see is 220 fps, once I get this tv I won't need faster fps, just bigger tvs.

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Torch - 482 days 21 hours ago

"Your eye can't catch more than 60 hz"

Sorry, but I've got to wholeheartedly disagree merely from personal experience.

Whenever one of those old standard CRT computer monitors is set to the nominal 60Hz, I can spot it from a mile away. As a matter of fact, the emitting flicker drives me absolutely NUTS, to the point of having to up the refresh through Windows' Display Properties to avoid the distraction.

Same thing goes for my 1080i Hitachi projection TV. You'd think that 1080 lines would be a fine enough resolution to hide the interlacing, but nope, not for me. As beautiful as the picture itself looks, the flicker distracts the hell out of me. But when I'm watching something in 540p (no 720p back then), the picture's ultra smooth.

The human eye deserves much more credit than you allow it.

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Guwapo77 - 483 days 13 hours ago

Because 1080p on a TV that size is virtually pointless.

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Hawkeyes315 - 483 days 13 hours ago

that's an ignorant comment

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coolfool - 483 days 13 hours ago

I agree with the others, 1080p can be noticeable on a screen that size if used a a PC monitor. And in my experience if the overall screen is good enough (picture enhancing technologies etc) the picture quality can be enhance by the 1080p resolution even on a screen as small as 32in. Granted it isn't as noticeable as a larger screen but overall picture quality is definitely enhanced.

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Guwapo77 - 483 days 7 hours ago

put a 720p 32in TV next to a 1080p TV in and good luck at telling the difference between the two. It really becomes noticeable around the 40" inch mark. A TV and a computer monitor just isn't the same.

When I say this I'm not talking about hooking up a computer to a TV because you can definitely tell the difference. I'm talking about blu-ray or TV programs.

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JoelR - 482 days 7 hours ago

If you are proper distance from a 32" you will be able to tell the difference EASILY.

to calculate proper visual acuity distance for a HD-TV multiply the screen height (not diagonal) by 2.5x and sit at that distance (or closer)

If you can't tell the difference you have 2 choices

A) your literally Blind
B) you are using a 720p source

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Ozzyb - 483 days 12 hours ago

Why not?

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 483 days 11 hours ago

...25 pennies so far!!! ;-D
It's impossible to keep up with all this :-(
As soon as you buy a New thing, say like a Laptop, as soon as you walk out of the Shop it's out of Date!!! ;-D

I'm just saving for the SONY KDL-40W4000 ;-P ...10 Million pennies to go... ;-D

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juuken - 483 days 9 hours ago

Oh gaaaaaawd, I'm not even at twenty-five! You, stop taking my pennies! >.<

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 483 days 8 hours ago

Sorry i ment i'm up to 25 Billion Pounds!!! ;-D
I wish!!!;)
Was that your penny you dropped on the floor??? ;)
It don't have your name on it!!! ;-D
Er RUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!(SuperMan& Santa&Neo HELP ME!!!) ;)
+I got 1 Disagree??? It is TRUE!!! ;-D As soon as you buy some Tech stuff it's out of Date when you get it home!!! ;-D
The only thing thats not out of date is the PS3!!! ;-P
Built to Last... ;)

+I can't even afford the TV's WALLBRACKET Thingy!!! ;-D
I'll get that 1st, and stick a photo frame on it and get those LBP Stickers and stick them alover the photo frame and pretend i have a HD:TV + LBP!!! ;-D

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juuken - 483 days 8 hours ago

Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen! >.<
*sends Integra after you*

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 483 days 6 hours ago

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!(Again!) I'll find another SuperHero SOOOOOOOOON... ;)
+When i say RUUUUUUUUUUUUUN SuperMan + Santa + Neo erm Fly off!!! ;-D
Leaving me running!!!(Thanks Lads!!!) ;-D

+I got 2 Disagrees before??? ;-D Think they think i was talking about the xBox 360 being out of date!!! ;-D
It's not my Fault!!! Er erm well it might be;)

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sephy 9 2 5 - 483 days 4 hours ago

a couple of new techs like SED and OLED, but you shouldn't really worry too much because they'll be replaced too. Just don't spend too much on LCD TVs or any tech if you want to keep up.

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parasite - 482 days 19 hours ago

120hz Bravia are anything but top of the line. Pioneer Kuro Elite is the best tv money can buy.

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