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400GB Blu-Ray disc, good for games?

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TalkPlayStation.com writes:"the question is, can it be played in the Playstation 3 for its games or movie playback, whatever? Pioneer has stated:

"Since the optical specifications of the objective lens…are the same as those for the existing BD discs, it is possible to maintain compatibility between the new 16-layer optical disc and the BD discs."

This means that we can probably put one of these 400GB disc in our PS3's, but why 400GB, we will see any gaming benefits from this?"

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PoSTedUP - 537 days 12 hours ago
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1 - wow wow wow lol
400gb bluray disc good for games? umm only for real developers like konami : P XD
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segasage - 537 days 12 hours ago
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1.1 - what so we can get another 50-400GB game with 5 Hrs of [actual] gameplay?
you gamers have cinemas in your town?

space don't mean a damn thing...it's how developers use it.
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King_many_layers - 537 days 12 hours ago
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if space doesn't mean a thing then please explain yourself.. sure it doesn't graphically, but in terms of content.. I'd be happier with HUGE space than minimal.
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Kyur4ThePain - 537 days 11 hours ago
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1.3 - @segasage
Not that this would be used in the PS3, but at least developers have the option of using the space, unlike on DVD-9, right?
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Peow - 537 days 11 hours ago
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1.4 - @sega
MGS4 isn't only 5 hours long. It can be on a speed run. But to play the game right it's well over 5 hours. I mean, nowadays Mario 64 can be beaten in just minutes, but at the time it seemed longer than that. So what? MGS4's cut scenes can be skipped too y'kno...

Anyhow. 400gb BluRay disks would be great, just not this gen. Imagine how massive games could be. Oblivion could be 50x bigger! I personally wouldn't like to change discs when I'm exploring the place. I could see the devs dividing the game into sections depending on the disk. That, and this is a new era of laziness! Who wants to roll out of their beds, their chairs, their wives(or husbands) to switch a disk and completely interrupt everything for a few minutes! Then what happens when you lose one of the disks?
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chester - 537 days 10 hours ago
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400gb.....that would be "welcome to 12 year developmental processes".

like too human on steroids.......
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Silver360 - 537 days 8 hours ago
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1.6 - wouldn't work
Games would take forever to load. That much information is just to much data to look through. Developers have to make installs to the hard drive now to speed up load times imagine how big an install it would be with a 400GB disc. Shoot there is more data on the disc than the hard drive can hold. Save that stuff for the PS4 when disc read speeds are faster.

Edit: How long would it take a developer to fill up 400GB disc? And how much would it cost to develop such a game?
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Armyless - 537 days 8 hours ago
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1.7 - @Silver
I think most developers would agree that the limitiations of hardware specifications are the major hurdle, not the lack thereof.
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PimpHandHappy - 537 days 6 hours ago
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1.8 - 400GB
is awesome

I cant wait to see what the real great game makers can do with that!

IMO thou we wont see games using that much space till the end of the PS3 life cycle

that would be around 2014
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longtimegamer - 537 days 3 hours ago
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1.9 - a 400gb blu-ray disc?
...Metal Gear Solid 5 anyone? do it Kojima!
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eagle21 - 537 days 12 hours ago
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2 - It's very exciting to know that 400GB discs are compatible...
The article ends at maybe 400GB isn't needed this generation for games. But 100GB discs will probably be used this generation for games.

awesome :)
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edhe - 537 days 10 hours ago
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2.1 -
Think you got that backwards - the new tech will play BD discs, not the other way around.
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eagle21 - 537 days 10 hours ago
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2.2 - I read what the guy from Pioneer said:
"Since the optical specifications of the objective lens…are the same as those for the existing BD discs, it is possible to maintain compatibility between the new 16-layer optical disc and the BD discs."

Nothing backwards about his statement bro. He never mentioned new players. Just new discs and current BD being compatible in players. :)
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ParadoxicalAssassin - 537 days 12 hours ago
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3 - wow
This is the most damn intresting news i have heard on n4g in a long time...

Damn and i thought 50gb was cutting edge, i want one of those, they can put an entire series of games on one disc, like the MGS series...

amazing stuff
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Pornlord - 537 days 12 hours ago
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How big will the install have to be? Do you think it will change the 5 gig install to a 10, doubling the space to 100? Maybe not, it just seems that with more data on the disc, the lens would have that much harder time reading it quickly enough. Just a thought.
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Nitrowolf2 - 537 days 12 hours ago
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holy sh1t
make a game with it dammit
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wantedboys - 537 days 12 hours ago
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the game will be very expensive
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Nitrowolf2 - 537 days 12 hours ago
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true
but just imagine it if a great dev got there hnd on it and made a game
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LevDog - 537 days 12 hours ago
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Uh Ya... For games that basically unlimited Freedom..
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steck67 - 537 days 11 hours ago
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400gb for a final fantasy game would be some awesome sh!t.

But I wonder what the price for a game would be, like what somewhere around a 100$?
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Avto - 537 days 11 hours ago
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The thing is games cost money to make and the bigger the game gets the more money this game costs, now think about it there is a single console in this gen with BD Drive, so unless there will be like 40 or 50 million PS3 out there I can't see how someone can make profit with a 400GB game.
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Panthers - 537 days 11 hours ago
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At the moment, I am going to say that is just a little unnecessary.
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WINZLOW - 537 days 11 hours ago
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11 - umm
remember that article a while back stating that blurays can do up to 2tb's ??

bluray can do much more than 400gbs..

i just watched house of 1000 corpses last nite and man oh man that movie is a wonderfull remastered masterpiece in HD.
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jspc1989 - 537 days 11 hours ago
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12 - kojima productions
made a 50GB game that had to sell at least 1,000,000 copies day 1 to make a profit. with games development being on average 10-40 million dollars a pop, don't look forward to seeing these being used any time soon.

altho theyre a great idea :-), i want it all to slow down a bit, im getting nervous about adopting blu-ray at the second just in case theres another format in a year lol.
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titntin - 537 days 11 hours ago
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Theres little that needs the full 50 gig available now, so we certainly don't need 400 gig for this gen of games. Its difficult to imagine what you could use all that space to store!

I suppose you could have a Guitar hero game with a few hundred tracks all at uncompressed multitrack audio qulity..
Or maybe one of them Jap bullet train games with the real video of the track network in full HD.
Or a new 'lord of the rings' game with a the bonus of the full HD extended trillogy on the same disc... :) Nice...

But it is good to know that they can tune the wavelength of the blu laser discreetly enough to allow for these multilayer discs. It does extend the life of the format and bodes well for it...

Space is not the issue. Now if a few more dev houses would get up to speed using the rest of it, we'll all be happy!
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hunter21 - 537 days 11 hours ago
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well i agree to some point that 400GB is too much but its much better to have a larger disk space cause they can lower it down anytime they want to, and "i think" what matters to them was they had a patent for it, which mean theyre safe "incase" a some company wants to challange the BD
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lil Titan - 537 days 11 hours ago
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15 - WOW
i thought they only went up 2 100GB ill let Homer J. Simpson express how i feel Whooo Hooo!
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ape007 - 537 days 11 hours ago
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16 - no
this is insane,guys don't focus on disk space just focus on the game studio who do the game

if you give a bad game studio 1000gb

still thier game will suck
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SpaZaA - 537 days 11 hours ago
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Planet Earth on 1 disc?...hell yeah.
Battlestar Galactica each Season on one disc in HD?...hell yeah

As well as devs having to do basically no video/audio compression cutting dev costs/time.

I don't believe cost would increase for games, as well discs with one movie would still cost the same. All that needs to be done is to convert production lines over. Just like all the HD DVD factories are now making Blu-ray.
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Zeevious - 537 days 5 hours ago
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17.1 - But which planet Earth?
The one we're on, or the one from Galactica?

I think the one from Galactica might not even need a DVD...
and how long do we have to wait for the last 10 episodes explaining it all?

:)
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Dlacy13g - 537 days 11 hours ago
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18 - I would prefer .....
faster CPU's in the consoles, and most importanly MORE internal RAM for all consoles.... Disc space is nice but its not going to produce anything ground breaking in terms of gaming since none of the current consoles really can take advantage of it since all 3 are limited by the internal (or lack of) RAM present in the machines.
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edhe - 537 days 10 hours ago
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18.1 -
You have a good point. Doesn't matter how big the storage is if the bandwidth on the processing architecture isn't similarly as phat then you're not going to see the benefits. You'll get bored of the content, or never see it.

There's only so much game the average gamer will play.
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Jenzo - 537 days 11 hours ago
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They would need a really really fast drive in order to avoid extreme load times.
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Some_One_Plays - 537 days 11 hours ago
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19.1 - Jenzo
Or advanced streaming. This is done with a lot of videos and can be done in video games. They just have to stream the content properly so it loads up before you even get there.
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Jenzo - 537 days 11 hours ago
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They will probably find some way to make it work when/if it gets used for games.
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edhe - 537 days 10 hours ago
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19.3 - @someone
Faster drive would mean more developers could use it properly without having to have a(n expensive) streaming engine.
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Some_One_Plays - 537 days 11 hours ago
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20 - To be honest...
It would be good in the sense that they would have no limitations but just don't expect them to fill that up. It would be the disc to end all discs. As HD (High Defintion) gets higher space on a disc like that will be needed. For games it would be excelent in the sense they have no limitations.

The DVD 9 is way too small the Grand Theft Auto 4 took up the whole space on the XBOX 360. The most I can see a developer using in this generation 50GB - 100GB only. The PlayStation 3 is future proof for sure, lol.
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Idonthatejustcreate - 537 days 11 hours ago
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21 - guys and ladies...
@ 4 - Pornlord
The installment for games are used to make some content load faster or use the HDD as a storage device for conent that would otherwise take up too much space on the game disk.

400gb would erase the installment but loading would take alittle bit longer.

@ 8 - Steck67

The price would not differ. If it would then MGS4 would have cost 80$ instead of other multiplatforms which use less space on the blueray because of being ported from a DVD.

In conclusion the price would be the same...

The only Con on having a game that takes up 400gb of space is that it would take acouple of more years to make it. But it would be a hell of alot longer and it would look a hell of alot more amazing (due to the storage space for high textures) than any other game out there.

Would be nice to see a mega big game company that can produce games extremely fast try to top that 400gb limit thou =)
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hi6hli6ht - 537 days 11 hours ago
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22 - imagine how long the wait for quality games would be.
mgs4 was what, on a 50gb disc and it took like 3-4 years to make. add in another 350gb to that and i dont even wanna think about how long that would take. and it would take a really good dev to pull of something awesome with that amount of space. no repeated textures, sound would have to be top notch, graphics...everything. if someone were to announce that they are making a game with a 400gb, it better deliver because people EXPECT it to be good given the amount of space it has. we all know how games that are hyped to hell end up when they underdeliver and dont meet peoples expectations
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Some_One_Plays - 537 days 11 hours ago
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22.1 - hi6hli6ht
Development teams today are about 150-300 people so in other words they would need a lot more people to delivery the content faster.
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sdogg - 537 days 6 hours ago
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22.2 - 400gb... maybe for ps4
I don't see any use for this much space this generation for games. If these discs can be used with existing bluray players then it would be fine to use them for Bluray Movies. We could have alot more features, box sets, and trilogy's on a single disc which would be awesome. Who would want say Lord Of the Rings entire collection on one bluray or something similar. As far as games go i think at most this generation we will max out with the 100gb discs.
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Expy - 537 days 11 hours ago
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Blu-ray isn't only for game development you know, they have some other uses as well, store entire projects on discs, store full pc backups, store full databases, etc.
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Some_One_Plays - 537 days 11 hours ago
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23.1 - Expy
True it would be nice to have PC back-ups all in one disc instead of having multiple discs.
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xc7x - 537 days 11 hours ago
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24 - maybe not useful now
but who's to say in 2 years it isn't?
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josh14399 - 537 days 11 hours ago
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25 - cool
this would be useful for games like orange box. imagine having 20 games in one.
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dcbronco - 537 days 11 hours ago
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26 - I wonder how much these disc will cost.
Plus, I wonder how much Sony will charge to fix all those PS3s so that they can use these disc. Having to pay Pioneer to use this tech might be expensive too. But at least games would have enough space to be 15 hours long again. If you don't already have a PS3, I wouldn't buy one until they make the change.
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jke82 - 537 days 9 hours ago
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26.1 - bronco
read the article it says existing tech (ie the ps3) is already compatible with the disc you wont need to do anything whether you have a new or old ps3
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dcbronco - 537 days 9 hours ago
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26.2 - Maybe you should read the PC World article.
That article has information from Pioneer, the people who made this disc. Pioneer says that you would need to make changes to a current Blu-Ray drive to allow it to play these disc. Sony would be the one to make those changes if you want to keep your warranty.

http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
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watashi hideo kojima - 537 days 11 hours ago
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27 - only good thing i can imagine now is
Lord of the Rings trilogy on one disc in HD.and other succesful series ...
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FantasyStar - 537 days 11 hours ago
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28 - Totally uneccesary and besides the point for PS3
Don't worry about the disc space, worry more about the disc speed. I'm sick and tired of HDD installs for the PS3 because the 2x read speed cant' stream the massive uncompressed data fast enough.
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