2008: The Year Xbox takes Control of the RPG

ruibing - 645 days 18 hours ago

Geez this article makes it look like all those companies are making RPG exclusives for the 360.

If we look at the JRPG exclusives, 360's lead on RPG is evident from Eternal Sonata and Tales of Vesperia. Then again Level 5 has had solid hits since Dragon Quest VIII, so I am looking forward to White Knight Chronicles. It's funny how they are kind of opposite to Mystwalker. They had a terrible experience with MS and has refused to work with them since, and their game has been praised for its unique gameplays. If they can just improve the storyline of their games, they would become the perfect developer.

360 fans will have Tales of Vesperia to look forward to, and it should be awesome if it's anything like Tales of Abyss. I am not going to praise Blue Dragon at all, that game almost turned me completely away from JRPGs for awhile. PS3 fans will get Eternal Sonata finally, White Knight Chronicles, Disgaea 3, and Valkyrie Chronicles. A nice balance of strategy, humor, game play, and story across the board.

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Dannagar - 645 days 17 hours ago

It's my understanding that Hironobu Sakaguchi and Mistwalker are working on "Cry On" and an untitled MMORPG for Xbox 360 as well.

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Hatchetforce - 645 days 17 hours ago

PS3 has only 1 strong game this year? You need to rephrase that before any more people die laughing at you.

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SlappingOysters - 645 days 17 hours ago

which is the point. Exclusivity doesn't really matter in this argument since the games are appearing on PC as well, not PS3 as well... I would have thought.

I think the X360 has the big name RPGs of 2008, I think there will be plenty of smaller (in profile) gems on PS3.

Then again I have both consoles so I'm in the money regardless.

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wageslave - 645 days 16 hours ago

The Xbox 360 is already has a better library of JRPG offerings at present.

In 2008 we have Infinite Undiscovery(triAce!), Last Remnant, Dynasty Warriors 6, Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey and others.

And the WRPGs; Too Human, Fable 2(!), Age of Conan, Champions Online, Elveon, Rise of the Argonauts, Sacred 2 : Fallen Angel, Viking: Battle for Asgard and others.

This notion that Xbox 360 is just shooters needs to pay better attention to the sales and the metacritic scores for the entire library.

Xbox 360 is the home of *gamers*.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 645 days 16 hours ago

and i thought ps3 owners like 3rd person stile games more, but they still keep saying that nothing can top kill zone 2, haze, and residence, like there the best games in the world.

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Palodios - 645 days 16 hours ago

That list isn't as great as it sounds.

First of all, Dynasty Warriors is not an rpg. You may be thinking of Romance of the three kingdoms? Either way, not exclusive, nor is Last Remant, Fallout, Viking, argonauts and probably not tales.

The only jrpg exclusives I see here are LO and IU. LO has been hailed by all as pretty but mediocre, as was blue dragon. IU may turn out good, but I haven't seen enough of it yet.

I'm a big rpg fan, east and west, but Disgaea and White Knight Story seem much better than the stuff coming out on the 360, and besides Fable and Too human (which are most likely coming out in 2009 anyway) that's a pretty ugly cluster of C-list wrpgs. If the reviews prove me wrong, great, but none of them show any sort of innovation or are really striking in any way.

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sonarus - 645 days 15 hours ago

lol yea it was a mistake but i figured everyone would be smart enough to see that. Meant to say ps3 has only one strong RPG this yr

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ApocalyPS3 - 645 days 15 hours ago

disgaea3 has REALLY got nothing, not even comparable to blue dragon.
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/disg...

white knight does looks like good title for the ps3 but it doesn't look like a hard hitting contender against 360's line up.

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Palodios - 645 days 15 hours ago

Disgaea has some of the best gameplay of any jrpg, period. If the generation-old graphics are what you don't like, then fine, but realize that gameplay is what most jrpg fans like. Graphics are good too, but not everything. By all means I'm not saying you're wrong, disgaea may not sell exceptionally well, and it may not be the end all be all game, but it plays like a good game should.

Since I'm talking about mediocre games with bad graphics, I'd like to add Mist of Chaos and Valkryie of the Battlefield, coming out for the Ps3, both rpgs, both a bit shabby on the graphics side.

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ApocalyPS3 - 645 days 15 hours ago

i once found my self in a ps3 section vouching for blue dragon about graphics in a swarm sony fanatics, now someone seeks to do the same for Disgaea3 ?

fine, i hold no grudges over the mater, you won't find any sony fanatic saying the same thing about blue dragon.

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Palodios - 645 days 15 hours ago

What does that have to do with me? Just because I own a ps3 and like gameplay makes me a sony fanatic? Mass Effect was the best rpg of 2007, hands down, and I really look forward to Infinite Undiscovery.

I have no problems with Blue Dragon's graphics, personally. A good rpg is a good rpg no matter what it looks like. my problem with BD is that its nothing special, nothing new. When Sakaguchi made FF1, he was a visionary, but with this, he has become generic. Which, as I said earlier, is why I'm really anxious to see what he does when he gets more ambitious. I guess you could refute my arguement by saying that disgaea repeated the formula of its predecessors, but atleast its different from the masses.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 645 days 14 hours ago

gamers of that era never concerned them selves with graphics, now that people have already got the sats on the ps3, owners of that console seem to act quite the opposite, ignoring any competition in terms of graphics( which is really annoying )

and for a game like DISGAEA 3 to be on there with little visual upgrades as it has, and with little to all most none talking about the mater is SHEER hypocrisy.

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foodbox - 645 days 14 hours ago

There is no end to the amount of hypocrisy you will find here on N4G. The graphics only go so far to make a game great. New, creative and exciting *situations* is what does it for me.

Lost Odyssey is busting out in that department. It really is a stand-out game. I can't recommend it enough.

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cherrypie - 645 days 14 hours ago

The "typical" Xbox 360 owner has proven to be the avid-gamer. That's the user base.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 645 days 14 hours ago

MID DISC 3 AND ENJOYING EVERY HOUR OF IT.

GO JANSEN!!!!!!!

HIT THOSE B!TCHES!!!!!

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Chuck Norris - 645 days 5 hours ago

As far as I'm concerned, the best RPGs of 2007 all belonged to Sony. Persona 3, Okami, and Odin Sphere.

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Richdad - 645 days 5 hours ago

It may seem so since the big budget RPG's on 360's are WRPG. Block buster JRPG's like FF are focussing more on PS and WII may be there choice or naything.
But I must tell you WRPG's are changing there was less made earlier but now lot of WRPG's are coming. Also there are lot of people sauing that either JRPG is better or WRPG but anyways good game is all you need, one might be new to might but try should be given to reach any decision. But anyways yeah 360's RPGs are increasing and never expected them in so much numbers also JRPG market is also created in 360 after Lost Odyssey.

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Hatchetforce - 642 days 11 hours ago

No PSN or Gamertags displayed means you do not have bothe consoles...

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InYourMom - 645 days 18 hours ago

like an Open Zone comment right there.

I disagree, they are not flops but Western style RPG's due better than JRPG's. Mass Effect has sold millions, Oblivion sold millions on the 360. Blue Dragon did decent and Lost Odyssey is on it's up and is being well received despite some reviews trashing it.

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pwnmaster3000 - 645 days 17 hours ago

ok resistance was called a flop because of its review score and so was motorstorm and bluedragon yes thats a flop. yeah i admit micro got some rpg, but sonys will be better

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Palodios - 645 days 15 hours ago

There are a big pile of rpgs that we know are being worked on, but we have no idea when they are coming out, or any details on them whatsoever. Angel Rings, the new SMT ps3 project, Makai Wars, and there are a few others that have been hinted at like Suikoden 6, all are games we won't see until they want us to see them. It takes more time to make rpgs than other games because they are much longer than most games. Give it some time.

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PeeboDaKilla - 645 days 17 hours ago

army of two is an rpg??

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wageslave - 645 days 16 hours ago

For the life of me. I cannot understand this "FF over all else idea".

triAce, who has arguably made the best series of RPGs of the last 5 years is making Infinite Undiscovery exclusively for Xbox 360.

Square Enix, who is responsible for FF itself, is making Last Remnant for PS3 & Xbox 360*

Sakaguchi San, who is responsible for FF itself, has made Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and two more Xbox 360 exclusives.

For the life of me, there is no logical belief that FF will be better than *all three* of these games.

It is FF in name only (no Sakaguchi), SE is also making another big JRPG, and triAce has an intact team that was responsible for Star Ocean doing an exclusive Xbox 360 game.

There is NO reason an Xbox 360 owner should really care about FF now that SE is making Last Remnant and Sakaguchi-san has left.

*I'm predicting that LR will be the best SE-developed game of the year. And that presumes FF releases this year.

SE has more to loose if Last Remnant sells poorly or recievd poorly than FF considering the 18Million+ Xbox 360 owners and the only 9M PS3s in the world.

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fallfast - 645 days 15 hours ago

It pains me to say it, but I think you are right.

I just hope Squeenix doesnt screw us over with a half-assed FF. But, i can see it coming.

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Palodios - 645 days 15 hours ago

Its true that Sakaguchi created Final Fantasy. However, SE has some great talent, Yoshinori Kitase, Nomura, as well as freelance work by Amano and Uematsu for example. One man doesn't create the final fantasys of today, hundreds do. Sakaguchi isn't quite as ambitious with his new team yet, that's why he's stayed with the basics in his games so far and hasn't tried anything new. Cry On will rock, if it stops imitating and starts innovating.

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cherrypie - 645 days 14 hours ago

I came here to say the same thing -- bubbles for you wageslave.

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robbo918 - 645 days 1 hour ago

Problem is you had a good point but for me ruined it with your fanboy comment that had this in it..."considering the 18Million+ Xbox 360 owners and the only 9M PS3s in the world."

You have X360 at 18 Mil+ but where is your proof? You keep PS3 at only 9 million and again...where are you getting this? You want to slam VG Chartz because they don't favor your theories but they often are close at least and tend to inflate X360 numbers while deflating PS3's. NPD is reliable to a degree (though it still isn't perfect). If you use VG Chartz you cheated PS3 out of 1.5 million (and technically according to NPD vs VG the PS3 was cheated by nearly 500k on VG, so you could say you cheated them out of 2 million.). Also according to VG you rounded X360 up by several hundred thousand.

Anyway, good post without that part.

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InYourMom - 645 days 18 hours ago

are on the PS3 right now?? Folklore??

I don't agree with that statement at all.

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meepmoopmeep - 645 days 18 hours ago

i agree that the ps3 is in dire need of more exclusive WRPG's. i hope sony keeps the PS well rounded in genres... it looks like the industry just wants to pump out FPS games lately.

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The Round Peg - 645 days 18 hours ago

I don't know if the PS3 has any JRPG right now. Many JRPGs never make to the West, so I wouldn't discount that PS3 might have some JRPGs we haven't heard of.

I don't really care about JRPGs anyway. It's a genre that I don't like, and I certainly won't buy a console just to play the genre that I don't like (i.e., Final Fantasy XIII). I've tried playing various incarnations of Final Fantasy -- and they have never retained my attention nor interest for too long. Just don't like JRPGs in general.

On the other hand, I pay attention to Western RPGs. And I know FOR A FACT that the PS3 has ZERO exclusive Western RPGs right now or in the future. If you think I'm wrong, then name me ONE exclusive Western RPGs that are on the PS3 but not Xbox 360 -- either right now or in production.

But you can't -- so you disagree but you can't back it up.

C'mon, name just ONE. ONE exclusive Western RPG on the PS3 -- now or in the future. Just name ONE.

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meepmoopmeep - 645 days 18 hours ago

the PS3 doesn't have many JRPG's.

Enchanted Arms is decent but multi-platform
Folklore isn't really an JRPG' or RPG for that matter

so RPG fans on the PS3 don't have much to play until later on this year and beyond, but the ones that are coming are worth waiting for imo.

now where the h*ll is Eternal Sonata for PS3!!!

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wageslave - 645 days 16 hours ago

"it looks like the industry just wants to pump out FPS games lately."

That's not the case for Xbox 360 owners. Sorry.

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harry190 - 645 days 18 hours ago

the works right now.it was
a superb addition to the genre.ps:
quantity does not mean quality.

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xsteinbachx - 645 days 18 hours ago

The ice caps are melting, but on a serious note who knows waiting for another price drop for microsoft, and maybe ill finish the Halo series, and possibly KOTOR3 ... or i'll wait till it comes on my PC.

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Eldyraen - 645 days 18 hours ago

Nice observation. I think its all about expanding their audience and trying to pull in the other console's dominant playerbase (fine by me, I own both and healthy competition is always a good thing).

I like both console's line-ups for different reasons (PS3 for FPS, 360 for RPGs, both will see fantastic multiplatform titles, and a handful of exclusives each for misc genres).

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jiinn - 645 days 15 hours ago

"and the 360 was supposed to be the FPS system"

I never thought that. MGS is the only PS3 shooter worth being excited for. Xbox 360 has far too many *RPGs releasing soon to count.

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Willio - 645 days 9 hours ago

Dont count out Socom from the PSN. that seriously looks impressive.

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ambientFLIER - 645 days 16 hours ago

Lol, surely you're talking about the POS3 being owned in 2007, aren't you?

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Alcaponeyou - 645 days 16 hours ago

the ps3 outsold the xbotplzfixme in 07?
HIghlarryoussssss

har har har
you've been owned by Alcaponeyou.

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fallfast - 645 days 15 hours ago

man, we dont need you to tell us about your lunch.

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Ariexv - 645 days 3 hours ago

Sorry, But unless you're counting "Shipped" then the 360 beat the Ps3 in 2007 by around 200,000 units, that's WITH the Ps3 having a massive $200 price drop and it being the best Blu-ray player.

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Ariexv - 645 days 16 hours ago

You can't really claim WKS is the "creme of the crop" yet, since you really haven't seen much of it, Also it's looking more and more like the next Star Ocean will be a 360 exclusive considering the team has only 1 listed game that they're working on and it's listed as a 360 game. So you pretty much have

WKS
FFXIII
Versus

vs
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata
Tales of Vesperia
Cry On
Infinite undiscovery
New Star Ocean

*Yes I know Eternal Sonata will be coming to the Ps3 as well..... but there's also the rumor it will only be on Ps3 in Japan, not the U.S.

And as for RPGs the 360 has no competition really in WRPGs
Mass Effect
Kotor 3
Dragon Age
Fable 2
Sacred 2
Elveon
Too Human
Age of Conan
Huxley

vs

?????????

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Alcaponeyou - 645 days 15 hours ago

that FFXiiiandversus
will own all those put together

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fallfast - 645 days 15 hours ago

If Dragon Age (from BioWare(!)) comes to Xbox 360, Im selling this PS3, and getting an Elite.

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sabbath420 - 645 days 4 hours ago

The Japs despise America, Americans and all we the think, make, or ideas we have. The japs think we Americans are not disciplined enough to afford the ps3. The japs are to self righteous to want anything we have as Americans.

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Ariexv - 645 days 3 hours ago

Dragonage most likely will be a 360 exclusive, and as for FFXIII/Versus beating out all those combined..... you do realize KoTor is higher rated overall then ANY FF game ever right? Also the Final Fantasy games have pretty much been in a decline since 7 anyways.

Go ahead check http://www.gamerankings.com... and do RPG.

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grilledgorlupa8 - 645 days 13 hours ago

just sell it if your unhappy with it. Nobody is telling you to keep it but yourself. If you think its just a dust collector than o well for you

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joe382 - 645 days 11 hours ago

Its funny. The majority of 360 owners bought a 360 for FPS/3rd person shooters NOT for WRPGs or RTS. What are they going to do with all these RPGs/RTS ? MS have not thought it through. They think they will gain owners but will lose just as many or more.

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joe382 - 645 days 11 hours ago

I love it when you say DVD player because it reminds me that xbox 360 is not the future.

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joe382 - 645 days 5 hours ago

Im sorry but I honestly dont know what exclusive fps/3rd ps (apart form geow2) will come to x360 this year. Please inform me.

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Ariexv - 645 days 3 hours ago

Yea Kotor 3 is in development right now :) Sequal to the best RPG ever confirmed for Xbox 360

O and Btw for everyone bringing up FF, http://www.gamerankings.com...

KoTor 1 is higher rated then any FF game ever made, as is Oblivion and Baldur's Gate. FF has done nothing but decline since FFVII, hell most people i've talked to who played Lost Odyssey think it's infinity better then FFX,X-2,XI,or XII and it only got ranked down cuz of it's Turn based combat and loading times that weren't even present in the final release.

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BestGamerAlive - 644 days 20 hours ago

mass defect is garbage frame rate issues ugly grapics blue dragon is garbage 360 gamers suck no 360 gamer can beat me in any game not even on the 360 bottom line is 360 is trash all u 360 boy lovers go fu(k off ur overweight cant get no girl losers i challenge anybody anybody in this website 2 any game 4 my title BESTGAMERALIVE none of u cowrds can beat me IM THE BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT SOUTH FLORIDA REPRESENTER WE THE BESTTTTTTTTTT

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joe382 - 645 days 5 hours ago

Eeeerr ok.

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cr33ping_death - 645 days 5 hours ago

damn dude wtf is up with your posting pattern?

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Sidherich - 645 days 5 hours ago

At this very moment the 360 is the best next-gen console when it comes to RPG's. How it will change in the future no one knows.

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Sidherich - 645 days 4 hours ago

if memory serves me at this very moment there are 3 RPG's out for the PS3:

Folklore
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Enchanted Arms

against 9 on the 360

Mass Effect
Two Worlds
Phantasy Star Universe
Final Fantasy XI (And Addon Wings of the Goddess)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Enchanted Arms
Eternal Sonata
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey

While Enchanted Arms and Oblivion is out on both consoles Sony's Folklore stands against Mass Effect, Two Worlds, Phantasy Star Universe, Final Fantasy XI, Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey currently. And while certainly not all of these games can be considered AAA games they do stack up pretty nicely against Folklore dont you think?

Of course with White Knight and FFXIII coming out it will most likely shift towards the PS3 to a degree. But then again i'm really extactic about Fable 2 as well. Guess i will probably buy them all :D

So while the future is still uncertain you cant deny that if you would turn on your console at this time (Wednesday March 5th 2008 16:33 GMT) you would most likely be happier as a RPG fan on the 360.

EDIT: It can very well be that i forgot one game for any console or the other.

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Sidherich - 645 days 4 hours ago

but what if FFXIII doesnt come out this year? Given SE's recent history of release dates i can pretty much rule out it coming this year in europe and most likely the states too.

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Ariexv - 645 days 3 hours ago

You are obviously a mindless PSFanboy so you probly haven't even played any of those RPGs, and you're also mindlessly excluding any WRPGs which for the most part sell better then JRPGs now anyways.

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Dweg - 645 days 1 hour ago

I know this is hard to understand...... but FFXIII won't even be out this year, and even then Jap RPGs aren't the only RPGs around, there's a complete Genre called WRPGs which is where the 360 really dominates.

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Pain - 644 days 23 hours ago

No i didnt did I ?

Is therr other RPG's?? pretty sure therr is..

how bout waiting for the rest befor saying 360's westen RPG's will will be the Best of 08 eh?...

and 360 Dominates?? yea at RROD and bleeding you dry for $$$

heck Chocobo Dungens (sp) for wii will sell more copys the any western 360 rpg fact.

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Sidherich - 644 days 12 hours ago

Isnt that out already? You mean FFXIII (with three i's)

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thekingofMA - 645 days ago

seriously-youre a hardcore PS.....P fanboy? really? i mean...i dont even know what i mean-a psp fanboy? in a 360 vs. ps3 "argument?" i laugh, i laugh heartily-

btw,

"The proof is in the sales. PSp outsells 360 on a regular basis."

you know, in most video game generations, handhelds do outsell consoles, probably due to the fct that they are 200 DOLLARS CHEAPER, a fact you, apparently, ignored... as well as the games are usually 20 to 40 dollars cheaper

so, if the proof is in the sales, that means that the psp outsells your ps3 (that is if you even have one-i seriously doubt you do, since you claim to be a true RPG fan, and all you mention is a handheld with what-one, maybe two RPG's) too!

so your argument is invalid and quite, quite dumb.

also, claiming to be the "true rpg fan" like yourself, i must ask why, if you are indeed a "true rpg fan" why wouldnt you buy a 360, which easily has the best RPG's? if you were indeed this "true fan," wouldnt you most likely buy the console with more, and better RPG's?!?!? and wouldnt "true rpg fans" not wait until "2010" for just one rpg, when they could spend the next years playing many more-

the fact that all you apparently own is a psp, which has no rpgs for you, the "true fan" gives you no right to claim that a console has no rpgs, and you clearly are a terrible spokesman for true rpg fans, seeing as how your mind is only aware of one franchise, which has, admit it, been on the decline for some time

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thekingofMA - 644 days 22 hours ago

nice job contredicting yourself-

"yea you have more RPGs at this moment. Youre by far the RPG king."
to
"Thats the whole point, dumb bot. You dont have "the best line up". Your RPG line up, is pitiful and STINKS."

i find it odd that you say the RPG ps3 line-up isnt extensive yet, but it will once a single game comes out, which you claim "can get delayed till 2010 for all we care."

thats a long time to hold off buying a console from this generation dont you think? and just for the 12th sequel in a franchise?

also, you claim a price drop is a sign of being 'dead in the water'

i think the real misinformed one is you-a price drop is good business sense, especially right before a game Microsoft knows will attract current-gen buyers.

i find this odd also, because if i recall correctly (which i do) sony dropped the price of your beloved console (i dont mean the psp to you btw) what-200 dollars? would you have declared THEM "dead in the waer" for doing so?

finally...youre already looking at FF14? like that will hit this gen

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