Killzone 2 review 'scandal': Edge vs The World

If you haven't noticed, Killzone 2's been scooping universally huge review scores, with a Metacritic average of 92. The first ten or so reviews came in at a in-no-way reactionary 100%, before a few websites dare to break ranks and give it, er, 96.

[Rikitatsu]

few sites also gave it 8s. So just because EDGE reduced one point, the whole world gone nuts!
Seriously, its the reviewer's opinion

/discussion

[BMS84]

So if the reviewer gives a low score for a AAA game , is that ok?
I don't think so, so if you are a reviewer, and you don't like the PS3 , you just give the PS3 games bad scores, that isn't objective.
And that is what EDGE is doing right now.

[Rikitatsu]

Who decides if its an AAA game or not? People have different opinions!!
For example. Some people consider Zelda:OoT the best game ever. I however, Think its just a decent title!

Same thing for other people not liking my favorite games.

Seriously.

[Capt CHAOS]

Stop believing the hype, I've been sitting on the sideline and I love FPSs, the reason I flogged my PS2 and moved to the xbox all those years ago was on the back of Halo, Now the hype was saying that KZ2 was one of those games (and there was alot of that), reviews are just saying that it's a good game.

Peel off the fancy graphics and you're left with a COD or similar FPS. (I didn't say a piece of COD).

Remember: They have to be fair with their reviews or people will not buy their mag.

[Ichiryoka]

I am so tired of people saying, "Peel off the graphics you have this or you have that."

Funny thing I found out whilel researching this game, you won't believe this man... but YOU CANT PEEL OFF THE GRAPHICS. They are part of what sucks you into the world, they are not coming off. People are always talking about gameplay > graphics, well guess what people just because you say peel this away, does not mean they are coming off.

lol its like you are telling people to be blind to the fact that it looks amazing. Peel off Gears graphics what do you get....KILLSWITCH.

[Capt CHAOS]

That's why I didn't buy Gears 2, I enjoyed Gears 1 but there are only a handful of games that deserve to be kept and played over and over, for me it happens to be Halo 1, Halo 3 and The Orange box.

But I do see your point and I do believe that graphics are just as important, but it seems like people are saying that KZ2 should be the best game ever just because of the graphics.

[bassturd]

biased opinion you mean

[StayHigh]

Fanboys opinion does not matter..Edge give all 360 games 9 and 10..While the PS3 exclusive games only scored 6 and 7..The site is run by 360 fanboys..They have no say in any PS3 games..

[Gun_Senshi]

You love FPS but play Halo?

Buhahahahahahahahaha

Bet you never even played Counter Strike of Half-Life ONE.

Or even Wolfenstien 3D or Doom1/2/Quake 3 Arena.

Also CaptChaos. you have a history of trolling.

I wonder how many accoutns you have to have so many bubbles. Let me help you.

[pwnsause]

reviews are always based on opinion, no problem with that, but they must be consistent. for example that 7 out of 10 review is not consistent with the other reviews which has given it 8s and 9s. and we all know this is not a 7 out of 10 game.

[Ryo-Hazuki]

just like kotaku said, Edge wants innovation...ummm okay....let me see the scores of halo 2, halo 3, gears2, gta4, dmc4, fable 2...basically any sequel. Edge are a bunch of fanboys, and thats sad

[Kleptic]

people need to stop justifying it by saying 'a 7 isn't a bad score from edge'...some of us don't care about the actual score it received...that is irrelevant...its when they try to tell people that FEAR 2 is a better game (actually, on par with MGS4 according to them haha) than killzone 2...which EVERY OTHER MEDIA member has said the exact opposite...

comes off as desperate...no other way to look at it...if the mag gave games like Halo 3 a 7, this wouldn't be a discussion...but when they declare Halo 3 as perfect, and killzone 2 under the very average Fear 2...its obvious something is up....and why its obvious?...the rest of the media does not agree with them...

[joydestroy]

@Ichiryoka:

ahaha i thought that was funny :)
yeah, you can't peel off the graphics. i also find it strange that previous games with poor graphics but decent gameplay were bashed because the graphics were deemed "last gen". i think people are nitpicking which is expected for such an anticipated title like this one.

[Capt CHAOS]

Dude, I have a stem account for Counterstrike and CS: Source, which I still play every so often.

As for half life 1, why? It's great but going back a bit isn't it?

I've already played that one to death.

[nycredude]

Damn you just got owned hard by ichiryoka man.

On topic though for those who keep saying a review is just an opinion just stop it with that BS.

These sites are a business and they get paid to do what they do! The sites make a lot of money doing these review and although it should'nt be this way, alot of people buy games based on their honest assessment of these games. Therefore these reviews shouldn't be just opinions, they should be a completely objective assessment of what the game looks and plays like and should help the gamers understand what to expect when/if they decide to purchase the game.

We as gamers should expect no less from a gaming site that makes money from this business. You want an opinion then go to some of the many "blogsites" that are available.

That being said Edge's review (if you read it) actually didn't have much of anything bad to say about the game and actually sounded like the game should be at least an 8.5-9 but in the end they lowballed it with a surprising 7. Anyone who actually read the review before seeing the score would be forgiven if they thought Edge would give it a 9. They score games harshly if you ask me.

[Insomnia_84]

Anyone who trust a score from Edge is plain stupid, seriously.
Fear2 better than KZ2?? O M F G! who the F@ck plays the games at EDGE? Bill Gates?? GTFO!!

[littletad]

Maybe it's cause I was an English major, but to make an impact you have to be very critical or liberal in the sense of providing something "fresh". People don't like praise so much, or stories with happy endings. In other words, there is always someone trying to make a name for themselves or trying to "stand out". The same with Edge. Put it simply, you can call it a superiority complex, an ever growing ego which feels threaten in this day and age in internet journalism.

Their review should be held in contempt, for misguiding the consumer reader at their expense.

[oohWii]

You PS3 Fanboys are always playing yourselves as the victim, if anything doesn't go your way, it's not because it just wasn't good enough; it's because "Microsoft paid them" or "They hate the PS3" or "He's just bias". The funny thing is, you are quick to say the same guy is a genius if he give a bad review to a 360 or wii game.

This is why you guys suck, because there is no reasoning with you. You gang up on people in shear numbers, make insulting remarks about people and try to get your way through instilling intimidation and fear into people. You're like a bunch of 13 year old video game terrorist(sarcasm)

Seriously though, all I hear out of the PS3 camp (speaking only of the rabid fanboy) is whining, b!tching, and name calling. Get a life, I've seen the KZ2 demo, and yes it does look good, but other than that, it just your typical 1P shooter nothing else is special (please feel free to tell me what else is special in your rebuttal). Additionally, the opening scene on the demo doesn't look half as good as the CG footage that came out years ago claiming to be ingame footage.

I personally feel (From what I've seen) that KZ2 at best should range from 7-9 nothing above 9.0 should be given to this game. Do I expect you guys to agree with me? HELL NO, you're so caught in you own agenda that if "Guerrilla" said this game was no better than a 9.0 you'd call them liars.

Edit: @ below

"Please find me any smear campaigns that aren't factual for the 360. Find me hate articles and FAKE reviews for its games. You cant, because it doesn't exist."

You just wrote one!

[CaseyRyback_CPO]

I have been gaming for a while. Microsoft invented the notion of removing features of a game, and deducing it to its basic perspective. Remove the Graphics from any of the following games:

COD4
Gears of War
Halo
Battlefield BC

And what do you have? A generic shooter that we have all played time and time again. There is no question that KZ2 isn't going to change the world of gaming, thats because IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. Thanks largely to the success of the Halo franchise, it is the "BAR" for younger console gamers. If Halo is the bar of FPS's then how the hell is KZ2 not shattering it? Because of no CO-OP? REALLY now? Because COD4 did PERFECTLY FINE WITHOUT CO-OP. All you have is an FPS which is single player, and offline. NO title has gone beyond this in FPS minus maybe Mirrors Edge / Prey, and we see how well all of those have done.

THe problem with the media and blind 360 fanboyship, is that you act as if there is nothing to it. If COD4 scored so well for having:

- Monster Closets
- Bad TERRIBLE HORRIBLE A.I
- NO Enemy Variety
- No Bots
- Short Single Player
- Fun Online

Then there is absolutely NO REASON that KZ2 shouldn't score the exact same. Especially when you have sites like IGN/1up/Gamepro/Eurogamer praising the game for said features. Its not a case of Kane & Lynch to where its a clear bad product, and no one is giving it good reviews. No. KZ2 is being called the best looking FPS on consoles. The gameplay just has to match up to what we all know from FPS's, and those of us that were lucky enough to play the beta know this as fact.

The only issue here is that PS3 community needs to not latch onto these review systems and media outlets that have a clear bias against Sony for some reason. Anyone see that Variety Article? Anyone See GamesRadars's press over KZ2? Theres just an inherent negativity out there, while it sucks because the gaming community wasn't like this, what else can you do? There is definitely a full on smear campaign against the PS3/Sony.

Please find me any smear campaigns that aren't factual for the 360. Find me hate articles and FAKE reviews for its games. You cant, because it doesn't exist. Stop pretending otherwise.

It boils down to this, PS3 owners know you have amazing games that aren't literally possible on the 360. Enjoy them, buy them, and wait for the 360's mystical lineup.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

There two problems to Edge reviews and reviews in general:

1) Being consistent in your reviews is a must, otherwise why write them. I mean you write a good review article but give it a low score, if you can't put two and two together just throw out the number score and leave the article

2) These reviews are not just taken as opinion to consumers but helps them in buying these games, most of them don't even read the article and just look at the score. This effects developers, give them credit for their hard work if they deserve it with game sales so they can make more great games

So you see how much power there is to reviews given by sites, yeah its opinion but unlike average joe reviews, us, there holds a lot of responsibility, and you are getting paid for these things there should be more sense in the article to score consistency

Leave fanboyism to the professionals

[KingME]

Case in point.

You have been on N4G for 27 days, all you make is negative comments and yet you have 8 bubbles.

Need bubbles, make negative 360 comments and they shall be granted.

BTW - Edge gives KZ2 a 7 and it's a scandal?

WOW!

[Lifendz]

we all get that. Thanks for contributing. That doesn't mean we can't have our own opinion about the article and discuss it. If you don't want to read the discussion, then don't. Furthermore, when people pay money to read an opinion I think they have the right to talk about it. Now if you let an opinion from one mag dictate whether you'll buy a game or not, you're nuts. But I really hate when people come on here and try to /thread when people are discussing a review.

It's like the guy that hears two people talking about who's better, Lebron or Kobe, and says "It doesn't matter because they're both going to the Hall of Fame." Thanks a lot Captain Obvious but that doesn't mean one can't have a discussion over it.

BTW Kobe is better. No discussion there ;).

[Homicide]

It's just their opinion, and they don't think it's as great as the others put it out to be. Jesus Christ, you guys are the biggest whiners on the internet.

[SL1M DADDY]

Fanboys mocking fanboys. Funny stuff.

*pops popcorn and sits back*

[prowiew]

I hope my son dont grow up like the ones in n4g. Please god

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Because a majority of people gave a game a great review nobody is allowed to give the game a negative or neutral review.... Edge has always given odd ball reviews. If the game is good, buy it and support it, then move on.

Stop crying over stupid reviews, Sony Fanboys!

The funny thing about this is that the more noise you make about this is the more people will have heard about the bad edge review....

[SL1M DADDY]

Meh, it just reminds me of the Too Human debacle. I remember the Xbox boys and girls getting their panties up in bunches when those reviews hit. It was just as sad as people taking offense to a review like this. Everybody knows that Edge is crap.

In the end, fanboys are fanboys. It's just that with 125 million PS2's and 20 million PS3's out on the market that the PS fanboys have a slightly louder voice due to there being more of them. Heck, I would suspect that due to hardware sales alone there would be about half as many Xbox fanboys than PS fanboys around the globe.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I happened to come across this video by Adam Sessler and it is hilarious how people claim G4 is baised when they gave the game a 5 out of 5.

http://g4tv.com/thepile/hdv...

I particularly liked at 5:14:

"I wonder if Microsoft paid them [G4] to give Killzone 2 a 5." -Greeknerd

There truly is no bottom to stupidity.

[GameGambits]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but as a videogame journalist you have to rate the game for its own merit. The consensus on Killzone 2 from reviews is that it's close to perfect. A 9 at the least to play it safe.

The graphics = best of this generation.
The use of sound= Very intelligent and immersive, especially on 7.1 surround. However, the voice acting isn't always up to snuff.
Campaign = Short, but very action packed. With replay value for 2-3 more play throughs.
Controls = Take a little to get used to for some, but fit perfectly once you get the hang of it.
Multiplayer = The best to this point for the most bang for your buck. Extensive, balanced, supports clans more than any other FPS yet, and obove all FUN.

Just based on that from what reviews say---how could someone else see enough to knock it down to a 7?! How could you give a game like Fear 2 which the general consensus at the moment is, it's good, but not worth investing a lot of time into, a better score?

Your personal opinion on a game shouldn't be used to review games for major sites. You need to rate it on what it does, who it's geared for as its main players, and if it will succeed in that audience.

For example I don't play Halo 3, but I did play it for a month. I GET why people like Halo 3, and I understand why the overall scores were high for it. It does what it sets out to do and pleases its audience.

Rating Killzone 2, or ANY game, after 50+ reviews around the internet giving it high praise, a low score does NOT mean you are boasting a valid argument. It flat out means you have some serious bias against the product in some form. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

[Bzone24]

What sucks is Edge actually thinks they can have an opinion different than the majority. How dare them. Killzone 2 should have no score below a 99.9. Any reviews below this should be discarded, their sites/companies shut down and their friends and family killed in front of them. The only reviews we can take seriously are the ones praising KZ2 with perfect scores, because nobody should have a different opinion than mine.

[Danja]

Yes you are right , but when you are being paid to inform the public about a product in general your opinions are held above others , and edge is no different , rate the game for what it is bot because you hate the platform it's on..

How can they give Fears 2 an 8/10 , but give KZ2 a 7/10 ?? it doesn't add up...

Edge has been very inconsistent with there reviews and they need to be called out...games like

Gears 1 - 7/10 ??.....but Gears 2 9/10 ..?
Mass Effect 7/10..?
MGS4 - 8/10 ?
KZ2 7/10 ?

they are really trying to be the next Gamespot...

[KingME]

"Rating Killzone 2, or ANY game, after 50+ reviews around the internet giving it high praise, a low score does NOT mean you are boasting a valid argument. It flat out means you have some serious bias against the product in some form."

Could it mean that they just didn't feel the way the others did. How about a little individuality? If the first fifty people in line buys a copy of madden 09, should I get a madden also instead of Resistance 2 which I had planned on getting initially so that I'm not to be considered biased against madden. Or can I actually evaluate the process myself and come to my own conclusion as to what I like or dislike. Do gamer reviewers all need to be cookie cutter reviewers to make you happy? Had everyone else call the game crap and Edge would have given it a 10, we you think edge were bias for killzone instead of against it? (I'm thinking that you wouldn't)

"Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot."

Let me get this right, anyone who doesn't see things the way you see them is an idiot? This comment along pretty much sums up the credibility of all the previous lines you typed in the above paragraphs.

Hopefully you don't represent the normal logic around here, however I'm afraid that you do.

[IcarusOne]

1. COD had no co-op and no one complained. -- COD also had a compelling single player experience and a story that pulled you along to a blockbuster ending. I'm hearing KZ2's story is as one-note as it's color scheme.

2. EDGE is dumb and biased. -- I think this goes to what Kotaku said about the grading scale. Not many use the full 10 point scale. How often do you see anything less than a 5 out there? But there should be; there should be 3's and 2's and the whole gamut. On this scale, 7/10 is still a very fun game and an impressive achievement.

3. Sony fanboys take everything KZ2-related very personally. -- And I don't blame them. If I'd put all my chips on the PS3's side and been waiting this long for THE flagship game...you see where this is going. Let them rant. Let them cling to their hopes and pray that they didn't make a bad investment.

All this has happened before. And all this will happen again.

[bennyace]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it's the same as everybody else! That makes sense. Oh no! I get it. It's part of the BIG conspiracy against PS3. Now the game is going to fail big time because it got a 7/10. C'mon are u serious?

[LegendKillar]

seriously your gonna say if you take the graphics off those 360 games there mediocre, well you could say the same thing about kz2, it doesnt do anything better than those games. and the reason all these games are considered great is not because of there graphics its gameplay, you may be a graphics whore because thats what your sounding like but real gamers can give a crap about graphics when a game has great gameplay.

[Tainted Gene]

people seem 2 forget that Edge also gave Mass Effect a " 7 " as well as other 360 titles. Edge, being a euro mag, is notorious for giving strict reviews

[The Lazy One]

huh? what?

[BMS84]

The objective reviewers , that do not prefer a console above the other , and isn't it strange , that over 100 reviews came in, they gave Killzone 2 90 + , they also gave MGS4 a good score , but it's EDGE who giving a big Sony exclusive allmost every big PS3 exclusive
a low score.

And Zelda OOT is also not my favourite game but it still deserves a 9 or higher.

[Capt CHAOS]

Stop heing a fanboy. They gave LBP 10/10 and that's almost unheard off with Edge. They also seem to think that MGS4 was a better game.

[Chris399]

The LBP review is an EXCEPTION. That game is so universally enjoyable that even the most stoic PS3-hater smiles.

How many other high-profile PS3 exclusives has Edge scored at 9 or over? Hmm... Lemme see... Maybe one, probably closer to zero.

Now compare that to the 360 and you might see where people are comming from.

And as far as any backlash Edge receives from this, good. The more the better. Their review wasn't strong enough to support their judgment of the game and they're getting skewered for it. They didn't like the story? But Halo, GTA and Call of Duty were masterpieces? I don't think so.

The problem with reviews is that they set a standard for how you are to criticize/ praise future software. So in giving glowing reviews to certain titles for "strong narrative", and consequentially poor reviews to games with equally as derivative scripts, a bias becomes apparent. The only differentiating factor between the titles that they have set the precedent with and Killzone 2, is that it appears to be on Sony's platform.

Even 1up loved the game. That speaks volumes.

[Pennywise]

Capt Chaos you are the most undercover fanboy on this site. Dont try to act like you arent biased. Give me a break. Dont try to act righteous throwing bricks at people from your glass house.

We see right through it.

[badz149]

come on man/woman! this is not about the whole media downplaying KZ2 but particularly EDGE while many other out there gave 8 and above! if you are a gamer and your opinion is the only one that stand out to be STUPID then there's something wrong with it and people will start to question you!

KZ2 is the best looking game on console to date and executes things way better than CoD4! aside from the gorgeous graphics with all the polish, lighting and stuff, it's being the 1st game having full 1st person cover, physics that surpassed even Crysis on PC, among the best death animation to date, intelligent AIs and support up to 32 players online! the SP will be longer and more diverse than CoD4 and seriously, the only thing these 2 titles have in common is no co-op! so, why the hell does CoD4 got 9 and KZ2 got a fvcking 7?? there is no sincerity in that review at all and all the lost points are because KZ2 is not at least a multiplat!

you know what, for me there's no scandal or what so ever in EDGE's review. the only thing I can see is STUPIDITY and that means EDGE is STUPID!

[The Lazy One]

I did not enjoy LBP.

Proceed to steal my bubbles because my opinion differs from yours.

[Turbo Teddy]

A review can never be objective. Its pure based on his personal experience and cognitive attitudes. The only thing that can come close to objective is quantitative studies, and since the study becomes affected by the studier. There are no thing such as "objectivity" (Hawthorne experiment)

Besides I you like and enjoy the game, other peoples or reviewers opinion should matter anything.

[Capt CHAOS]

I'd be nuts not to buy KZ2 if I had a PS3 (I don't, I don't, but in time I'll definitely get one).

But with reviews, they have to be balanced because otherwise the editor would just pull the reviewer up by the ear..

[The Matrix]

WHAT A MINUTE HOLD UP. You've said that edge did this because they wanted to get attention. Well, thanks to all of you dicussing this in depth instead of shrugging it off, edge has become a household gamer name and their website probably has 10 million hits in the last week.

Good job. Way to keep edges fueled and ready to go.

[Turbo Teddy]

Well.. As I see it, its a product, and they have to meet their specific customers demands. They earn money by advertising, the more readers / hits the more lucrative advertising deals. Lets presume that EDGE´s biggest segment is Xbox 360 owners, so companies who deal with Xbox 360 products will like to advertise in their magazine because of their reader base. If EDGE starts praising PS3, Wii or PC games, maybe some of the readers will be offended (the hole fanboy war) and stop reading their magazine. The readers will fall away, Hits will decline. And they wont be so attractive any more from an advertising standpoint. And the competition on internet sites are fierce. I dont see any reason to treat reviewers as the gamings holy knights. They are paid to have a specific opinion.. Thats how I see things..

[greatjimbo78]

And from that response i take it you've never read Edge?

[dale1]

edge would of gave lbp a 7 had it been a shooter,this game is after the 360,s main market shooters,they know that only to well to give it a 9 or a ten would in danger there main advertising revenue ms.thats the simple facts revenue,with out it they can,t survive,ign has the luxury of being one of the biggest so bulling tactics wouldn,t work.there again ign has large revenue from all platform holders so theres no need to be biased.

[atttentionshore]

a 7 from edge is not a problem.
the problem is, the people who actually care what anyone has to say about their game of choice.
there is a demo out there, why does anyone need other persons opinion?

[Bob Dole]

Because most people are idiots??

[Turbo Teddy]

this article needs to be approved, think many of the comments are spot on..

[MegaMohsi]

I know Edge is harsh on most games, fallout, ME, last year's GOTY was LBP, however some of their reviews are downright questionable. Here's an excerpt from the Halo 3 review which was a 10/10...."In substance it’s nothing new, merely a magnificent, beautiful monster of an FPS sequel. In concept and execution, though, Halo 3 is the future."

KZ2 brings nothing new and the story is somewhat weak and loses 3 points for it? I don't understand how they scored it.

[Darkseider]

So you're saying they don't understand how they scored it? Let me break it down for you.

Most technically and graphically advanced FPS of all time with great controls and awesome multiplayer and decent single player: Score 10

PS3 Exclusive: Score -3

Total = 7

There you go, hope it helps.

[lokiroo420]

The only two real comments on this page.

[Kill Crow]

Edge didn't copy PS3 Extreme for the review ... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[redsquad]

Yes, people who overeact to a single review score are rather absurd aren't they?
Pity you have to be so childish yourself in order to get the point across though. "Black kettles" and "pots" spring to mind...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

lol

[Kill Crow]

I was just acting like everyone else on N4G !!!

I'll be more mature next time ....

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[StayHigh]

They give all 360 games 9 and 10..While the PS3 exclusive games only scored 6 and 7..Hell no fanboys opinion does not matter..Edge is run by 360 fanboys..Their say in any PS3 games and 360 does not matter..

[Vecta]

Yeah because EDGE didn't give Gears of War 1 and Mass Effect both 7/10s and of course they would never give a PS3 exclusive like LBP 10/10 and game of the year...

oh wait...

[BlackCountryBob]

I don't care about the score or in fact any score given by any website/journalist or the rampaging monster that is metacritic. My only problem with the Edge review was how low the standard of their journalism has fallen. I (unlike many I suspect) read the review in its entirety and cannot believe how poor the prose was. It served only as a reminder of why I cancelled my subscription to the magazine 18 months back due to its increasingly patchy coverage and poorly constructed arguments.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that any organisation of as many as 50 writers can jointly arrive at an anti anything viewpoint so I don't buy this whole "Edge hates PS3 stuff"; seriously it is just plain silly.

Buy Killzone2, enjoy it but don't feel the need to make sure the entire world agrees with you. Individuals have opinions and are entitled to them so take a chill pill.

If only half the ranting mob who are going after Edge right now could focus that attention and time onto something truly important then imagine what we could do as a community.

[DARK WITNESS]

100% agree. bubble to you good Sir

[Bob Dole]

FANBOYS: Focus your attention on curing cancer! With all the enthusiasm you show towards this console war we can surely find a cure for cancer within the next week or so.

[jack_burt0n]

The edge magazine i grew up with and have fond memories of is dead seriously this magazine that i have a subscription to is some imposter over the last twelve months I have not read one bit of insight heard an interesting opinion been excited by a news story or impressed literally by even a paragraph. My subscription is ending which is worth celebrating.

[Playa7970]

who cares one site gave it a 7, reminds me when halo 3 received the same score

[user858621]

and fallout 3

[jcgamer]

lol

Killzone 2 is coming REAL soon! :)

[SupaPlaya]

Instant classic!

Bravo and ROFL!

[Sangria]

I think reviews must be a matter of common sense.
Visuals, artistic touch, replay value, storyline, sound, narration, difficulty, etc... Then we ask "Did i enjoy playing it?", which gives the last points of the review.

Technical qualities should represent 80% of a review score, the 20% last are for the fun. All reviews should do like that, and not "Ok so they put a 9/10, i'll put a 9/10" or "They put 9/10, i'll put 5/10".
It's a bit like Okami, even if you're an Atari fanboy, hate the PS2 or cel-shading, you can't argue the fact that Okami is one of the best game ever made on PS2. But some sites gave it a 65~70%.

So yes, people can have their own opinion, but there are points where we can't argue with. And those points are the technical ones. But now, i feel this story is over-reacting, people just shouldn't make others shut up just because they don't agree with them (btw, did i already do the analogy between Haze and Halo?).

[bobdog626]

Just face it .You are Wrong about the score you gave Killzone2 . Some game's you guy's will like and some you won't.I Like Dark Sector but i Hate GTA4.It's just not my kind of game but i know why it got GOTY.The Level of Detail is off the hook but it Bore's me to Death.In My Book it would get a 6 out of 10 but that would be my Opion not Fact.

[Jdoki]

The problem here is the lack of consistency in current Edge reviews.

They have nothing bad to say about any of the game play mechanics, in fact they praise the AI and other aspects highly - so are we to believe that suddenly story is paramount to making a game AAA and a cliche'd story results in a 3 point drop to 7/10?

I'm not claiming there's any sort of anti-PS3 campaign going on at Edge - but if we are talking about Edge's desire for innovation and storytelling then we have to judge Halo 3 and Gears 2 in the same way. Halo 3 got 10/10 and Gears 2 received 9/10.

This is not consistent. Halo 3's story is not interesting. The story telling method is terrible too. Yet it gets a 10.

Gears 2 gets 9/10 - yet the story is generic, full of cliche's, and the game play shows zero innovation compared to Gears 1 (which in itself wasn't exactly innovative), and in many ways Gears 2 was just more of the same (no matter how sweet that was).

What I find incredible is that on the very next page in Edge, they give Fear 2 8/10. Fear 2 is an OK game, but graphically it is inferior, game play is weaker (in my opinion), and the story doesn't seem that great either.

It doesn't matter that this is one person's opinion - the role of the editor is to ensure consistency and accuracy in their publications. If the review had given any justification for awarding a 7, then fair enough, but reading the review there is nothing that would suggest the game deserves below an 8. If I were an editor, the first thing I would have asked the reviewer was to justify the score vs the text.

You can argue that one point different between 8 and 7 is nothing - but most people equate 7 to be an average game, and 8 to be a good game. So by that definition the difference is huge, and I don't think even the most rabid 360 fanboy would deny that on the face of it, KZ2 is an 8 and up game.

Perhaps after I have played through the entire game and sampled the multiplayer I may agree with the Edge score - but right now; on the strength of the demo and the good things written in the Edge review, I can not see how they gave it 7.

[Bob Dole]

Couldn't have said it better. Bob Dole never really paid attention to the story in any of the Halo games, he just wanted to kill stuff. Same thing with Gears 2. Oh just in case you haven't seen this:

:)

[Bob Dole]

How did Bob Dole get more agrees for agreeing with you??? That's insane in the brain!

Edit@below: Bob Dole always wins! :)

[Jdoki]

Bob Dole wins!? :)

[greatjimbo78]

Read through you post again and see if you can get the irony that shines through, if you cant? then think about the article your commenting on, then re-read said comment.

Hint word for you subjective!

[Prototype]

I bet if it was multiplat it would have been 10/10 but because its only Sony they decided to give it a "fair 7."

I'm starting to wonder if they did this only to get hits on their magazine/website and then later make some sort of "apology letter/blog" after all this dies down.

[sajj316]

Timing of Edge's review was just impecable!

[godkiller]

- EDGE ARE GONE
PM
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Ignore8 - EDGE ARE GONE
When edge had slatted killzone2 and GIVE GOOD SOLID REASONS WHY?But like there rushed resi2 review not even half a page,i urge everybody that hates reviewers that are soooo far up there own butts ,they cannot see the woods from the trees.
BOYCOTT EDGE,AND THERE WEBSITE.

Be very interesting if i had a time machine and killzone2 was multiplat,mmm wonder what they all say then mmmmm.
But time traval is fantasy!=example,if i went back in time ,and killed my mother,how the hell could i be born to do it in the first place?? mmm paradox.... c u in the zoneeee psn mr chaptem"ranked number 1 cod4 till i got bored"""...

pps dont forget once multiplayer kicks off,like the beta,the reviwers should give it anouther point,BECUASE THEY BLOODY CANNOT PROPERLY REVIEW THE MULTIPLAYER YET!!!!!.

[cliffbo]

take off the great graphics, the incredible lighting, the great AI, the incredible online and you have a pretty ordinary game. come to think of it: take off the two white lines from pong and you haven't got a game at all...

[mightydog01]

I agree I've play the killzone 2 demo and its sh!t hot and thats just the demo......edge can go to hell and I wont be going to there site again or buy there magazine... They are a joke

[trancefreak]

I never heard of edge! Are they relevant?

Cant trust them and their review process.

Every PS3 game they score low is usually a AAA IMO.

Killzone 2 rocks played the demo to many times to count.

[LewisDenby]

"I never heard of edge! Are they relevant?"

Edge is the leading industry and culture magazine within gaming.

[Tryst]

...there where

[godkiller]

Go back to halo3,were there are sooo many annoying brats,god i got tired of killing them.
Basically edge are trying sooo hard to be differant,there has been xbox sites giveing average scores,which is fair enough,ps3 prob do same ,to them.
But please dont tell me that edge are unbiased,have given good solid reasons why??? nopers.
Looking at the amount of microsoft adds that are in there magazine!!,i think they know were there bread is butterd.
These saps proberly give resi5 10 outa 10,maybe becuase there wanking over bigtit bimbo,or they had both there hands mangled up and can use the crap controls fine.

Ps spelling grammer,to busy haveing sex,so anybody on these sites pulling peps up about spelling and grammer?,get out more and get a gf lol.

"""better to burn out,than fade away!!."""
pps wankers means er= people that her use there hands alot,sorta like.

[greatjimbo78]

There is another English word that seems apt for that comment, and it is twat, as in you are one!

[Graphics Whore]

Edge is just trying to maintain an image, even if it's lacking consistency.

Plus they're a magazine, a dying form of media, actually a rapidly descending form of media.

You have to troll people in, there has to be a reason for purchase. Even it's low and degrading the profession. Not that it's a real profession as of lately anyway.

[ultimolu]

I still do not agree with EDGE's score. I have played Killzone 2 and it is anything BUT a 7.

A big PS3 exclusive and it gets a 7? What the f*ck is wrong with them?

[godkiller]

To thick to understand that,but bubble anyway.
back to polishing my nails..

yAKUSA3 SOON
DEMONS SOULS ROCKS.
white knight story 3rd playthrough 9 0ut 10.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...They are going mental in the Gamer Zone!!! ;-D

So many people who(THINK)they Know it all...Hmm...

Reading Edge Mag is like watching Paint DRY!!! ;-D
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING like Micro$oft...

[theox2g7]

My personal opinion is that, Edge works on the Famitsū model, they do tend to be quite strict when it comes to reviewing games. Edge though is a weird mix of Industry and consumer magazine that sets it apart from the Official Magazines or the more popular consumer magazine like Game Master or Games.tm(Edge rip off) et al.

If a game has not got some original features or it's a franchised rehash then it's likely to score lower. Killzone2 is really good FPS, but it's by no means original. Same for F.E.A.R.2 Incredible game, but it's a concept that we've seen before. So they wasn't anyway either of these two games would be scoring 9's or 10's. In contrast, Gear of War 2, Halo 3 and Little Big Planet, have all brought something new and original to the party and that is reflected in the score. Personally I like the days when edge didn't score anything and left you to read the review and make up your own mind.

From reading the review I got the impression that Edge rather liked Killzone2. The question is what would you rather have ? A game that has been rated highly by lots of biased or hype based meta scoring that turns out to be a pile of cack or a game that has be scrutinised so completely that the scoring you get is a very good visual indicator of what the game is like.

Mirror Edge is a very good example how good Edge reviewing can be... I bought Mirror's Edge ignoring the best advice of Edge. Within a couple of hours I had gone from disagreeing with them entirely to seeing exactly how and why they had come to their conclusion and given the score they had.

I'm not saying that what Edge writes is gospel, but with so many pretenders out there I know that I can trust Edge because of their track record. I not always agreed with them but they are impartial and independent and even the worst games they try to see the best off.

[Tryst]

How on earth can you trust a magazine that gives Bioshock (which went on to win game of the year with many sources) and 8 and MSG4 and 8, which also won game of the year with many souces???

[Ps_alm3k]

agree. but pretty much everything is rehash of old and polish to new...
Just like Killzone 2 and all other games...so i don't see why just give it a 8
..for a good polishing????????( very good One Too)

7 is not justly.

[Rhezin]

LOL f!cking loser.

Edge should just be discontinued, they gave chains of olympus a 7/10 also. Pretty much EVERY ps3 game gets a low score from EDGE. F!ck them they are biased pricks.

[Kill Crow]

cry us a big river, we'll collect the tears and retire rich from all the salt ....

Go Team Crybaby !!!

[ScottEFresh]

Who are you morons who actually pay attention to anything EDGE has to say? This is the same magazine who gave HAZE a good score....god you gamers are morons.

[jBat17]

edge may stand a chance.. he is the rated R superstar.. and he was a vampire and had vampire friends like christian and gangrel..

oh wait, that edge.. yeah, the magazine did some major disservice to video gaming in general

[Scelestus]

Edge is saying "Kill all the jews." and the rest of the world is saying "Nuh uh, we're going to kick your ass!"

[RadientFlux]

nothing like comparing someone's opinion of a game with genocide... n4g surprises me yet again

[solidt12]

I have no respect for Edge what so ever. There reviewers are a joke.

[IQUITN4G]

People have to understand one thing here though.If you're a teenager or in your mid twenties say, perhaps a reduced age(not trying to be funny here, maybe you are slightly retarded(notice i'm using this word like how it was intended unless of course you really like taking the p!ss out of those less off than you), then the likes of say Halflife2 or Halo will leave you puzzled as to why they are appreciated by media so highly

Killzone2 looks great and plays just fine though and that's exactly what Edge has said in this review.It's no doubt well worth getting the game but there will be issues for some about things many wont understand

Gamers are mostly about the young age of 13 to 25 say and it's at this age they still don't know a whole lot about the finer points of an art

It might not seem it to some but both the games iv'e mentioned have intelligent scripting that are one of the ingredients of their success - regardless if you think Halo's story say is guff or not

A lot of gamers simply cannot tell the differences between good and bad writing.When someone feels the need to mark something down on these grounds, it's of course not understood by most that are basically clueless about this stuff anyway

For example i personally i think the combat in Halflife is not especially dazzling but as a whole, the game is an exceptional piece of work and well worth at least one playthrough

It just comes down to concepts not yet understood by most that play these games, and when the majority of those that review these games are an older more intelligent bunch, only the simpler parts like score, pros and cons will matter

Reviewers tend to be more intelligent(not all of them mind and in Edge's case, a little more so - read: reviewers hand out far too generously their marks, which isn't that clever) and review based on mechanics, as well as how much fun it is as a game - the game obviously being more fun as a result of it's components

It's actually very easy for someone say in their early thirties to turn off a game on the basis it feels a bit naff concerning dialog - in the same way in fact that people do of films

A younger mind in truth doesn't see the differences between a good and bad piece of writing or well realized set of characters -
Gears2 for example has horrendously cheesy dialog with cliched giant men running around, yet somehow it all works because of this and other stuff - it doesn't take itself too serious yet it can feel incredibly serious an experience - it shouldn't work but it does

Halo as another example is cliched cr!p right? but it's expertly written cr!p.Personally i find the whole Halo universe to be compelling but even if it wasn't, it's classy stuff in the same way Uncharted is similarly handled

No one would love the Star wars films quite so much if ths script was only average or it's characters not very well realized

The whole experience needs to be reviewed sometimes as is here with Killzone2 by Edge.For some, graphics and tight shooting action just isn't enough to warrant yet more time with a shooter

If you love shooting games with fabulous graphics and a cast of characters you will likely not care too much about, then you'll likely love Killzone2.Those that want something beautifully crafted both visually and regards to story, will at least have a couple of other options

Killzone2 is a good solid shooter with beautiful graphics and a not so hot writing of it's story.But so what, did anyone here really expect GG to deliver in this area

Personally i think Killzone looks great with some absolutely stunning gfx and animation.The graphic style is well realized and guns have a lovely weighty impacting feel to them.It's a solid game no doubt but it's got some fairly dire dialog and a little too familiar old style that doesn't really suit it's grand design.In no way cr!p but then Edge never said it was

[stuntman_mike]

its one review in thousands that has a lower score than the others, it doesnt make a difference. for the score whores its in the 90's on meta-critic which is amazing. this is gonna be a big seller and i think everyone with a ps3 is gonna buy it, heck even people who aint got ps3's are gonna buy it.

[Keowrath]

Wow! Look at all the attention giving this game a 7 has got...

[LewisDenby]

Adropacrich2:

Accurate and elegant. I'm not sure it's necessarily an issue of age, though perhaps as the mind matures there are a few issues that crop up, and one starts to view things in different ways.

Largely, the people who go into arts criticism are those who are A) passionate enough about their subject to want to view it at something beyond a superficial level, and B) perceptive and eloquent enough to be able to analyse a work to a deeper level and voice their opinions persuasively.

Edge is an interesting case, because it's not really a games magazine in any traditional sense. Most function primarily as a buyers' guide, but Edge dubs itself a 'culture magazine'. That alone sets it apart, and the style taken in its pages reflects this.

I am, every issue, very surprised they bother with scores at all. Firstly, they seem almost entirely arbitrary, which is why people kick up expletive-storms like this. I'd imagine the writer of - for example - the Fallout 3 review would probably agree that Fear 2 is not a better game, even though it scored more highly. But the scores are uniquely personal, and in a magazine like Edge, which actively hides its writers identities in favour of a more anonymous and collective approach, this sits awkwardly.

Secondly, because it tends to favour a particular TYPE of game. And no, I'm not talking about bias, in any shape or form, so stop that. Its favourite games are generally refined, carefully considered releases with a spark of artistic individuality that sets them apart from the rest of the pack. They're often accused of being biased towards Nintendo; this patently isn't the case. Nintendo just tend to release a lot of games that fall into their area of expertise and preference. There's nothing WRONG with that, but weighing up the scores against releases from outside this band again feels clunky.

Finally, Edge's focus has NEVER been its reviews section. As N'Gai Coral said recently: "I'm not a games reviewer; I'm a games critic." There is clearly a big difference, and Edge is very obviously going for the latter. Not remotely fair to bemoan them for treating our medium with the sincerity of other art forms. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's precisely what most of us would like to see more of.

[Jerk120]

lzolzozlo biaaaased!! GIVING KILLZONE 2 A 7! WHO THE HELL DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? SUCH A GAME, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO GIVE IT A 7!!

Even the greatest of games get ONE or TWO low scores.

Get the hell over it.

I swear, after this article, I feel I've lost a bit more hope for this website.

[Zool 08]

Edge is bias against Sony, because a long time ago they gave GTA:Vice City (PS2 biggest exclusive at the time) 8/10. Now GTA4 (multi platform i.e running on x360 because M$ paid for it) 10/10. SOUNDS FAMILIAR ANYONE?

My point is if KZ2 was on the 360 as an exclusive or multi platform Edge would have given it 10 without hesitation and would have hailed it the GOD of FPS. The trouble is you Xbots are too blind to see it that way. So when you lot ask what all the fuss is about one bad score its because Edge put themselves up as the leading gaming journalist (which at one point I thought they were). However when they give X360 exclusives Halo3 & GOW2 10 & 9 (scores they clearly don't deserve according to Edge standard of scoring) why did MGS4 & KZ2 (PS3 exclusives) score 8 & 7 when it's clear as rain that they are superior in every way and shows more innovation (maybe not so revolutionary)than those two? Edge not bias then? YEH RIGHT!

[nice_cuppa]

just to check !
We drink the "special" punch if the meta hits 90 right ?

[IQUITN4G]

Edge is especially helpful i find with pointing out something of worth in the gaming world

And that's the thing with Edge, i'm unlikely to agree all the time with their reviews and in fact have questioned some of the 10's(Galaxy, Halflife2) but they do at least bring to my attention what i should be paying attention to good or bad - a very useful thing

To blindly listen to Edge of course would not be doing myself a favour considering i can like even the worst of games if they appeal in some way.A guideline then for when there isn't a demo say or iv'e not at that point formed an opinion - i find other mags far too generous in their approach and mostly hit and miss

The fact that Edge write in this very fancy way does at least tell me that they are an intelligent lot able to understand formula of games and that is very important to me

Opinions from gamers get past around quite a bit on forums like these but in truth there has to be rules for how something is constructed.Edge is very good at spotting those games and it's just a shame all mags couldn't manage a little of their style - not exactly good for business though

Played too many games to even care for the next half decent game because mostly all games are half decent these days and it just doesn't cut it any more

Maybe it's just that people are perfectly happy with this stale state the industry is in.I sit here playing games half heartedly sometimes thinking what a complete waste of my time this industry of now

It's a little optimistic to think many will share this opinion of course which is why we're not in any real sense moving far from the last 10 or so years

So refreshing to play something of worth and not the same old and that is why so many games deserve pulling down - we are after all entering into a new type of game experience and this comes with new expectations

Edge are very arty and luckily for me i think there is an art to making the best games

Wasn't aware there were others on here that had a good understanding of such things, bit unfair of me really

[Munky]

what a joke...a bunch of babies whining over a review score is considered a scandal, sad. just accept the fact that the game is not the be all and end all in games that you hoped it would be. its not the best game ever, its not the FPS ever, its not even the best game on the PS3. what it is...is a game with really nice graphics(really really really nice) but thats about it, nothing else about the game pushes the FPS genre any further then any other game that has come before it.

with that being said, i'm pretty sure the game will sell millions and all who will buy the game will enjoy every second playing it and totally forget all about the "disservice to gaming" that is the edge review. in the end f*ck reviews and play the games for yourself cuz thats all that should matter, the console that sits in YOUR living room and the games that YOU PLAY. good gaming people...peaz

[Trebius]

Only problem is...you cant rate down KZ2 for certain things, and overlook them when rating other games...

THATS the only issue, I dont need to write 6 paragraphs to get the point across.

They praised KZ2, mentioned only 1 or 2 flaws...and slapped a 7 on it.

While a game like FEAR gets a higher score...yeah right...if you dont see something fishy with this, then theres no way you'll ever think logically.

At the end of the day EDGE loses, thats it.

[IQUITN4G]

I guess it depends how you read it.But even if they don't mention why, they still felt it deserved a 7/10.I expect it was a lack of things coming together as a whole plus the extremely polished yet been there done it aproach.It maybe just doesn't have much soul which is sometimes an Edge reason - fair enough i say if that's the case

It shouldn't put anyone off as i'm sure it plays very well despite the low score for some - still a respectable score from Edge

[gololo]

i say screw reviewers....let the games do the talking (NOT BY SALES BUT BY QUALITY!!!)

[Firstkn1ghT]

only a 92%??? Their are a lot of shooters better than that.

[djroberts]

Edge is more biased than 1UP. In fact, statistically they may be the most biased. They claim they use the whole 1-10 scale rather than just 6-10 but that's crap. Someone posted a good comparison of 360 exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives as reviewed by Edge compared to the meta critic score (on left).

PS3
94 80 MGS4
94 70 Killzone 2
87 60 Resistence 2
87 70 Valkyria
88 70 Flower
81 70 Motorstorm 2
74 50 Folklore
79 60 Heavenly Sword
83 70 Pixel Junk: Monsters

360:
94 100 Halo 3
93 90 Gears of War 2
89 90 Fable 2
90 90 Left 4 dead
93 90 Braid

[Viatrophy]

How every time a game gets a low(ish) review score and its posted on this site, everyone goes up in arms about how the site is biased again the PS3 or they've been bought out by Microsoft.

I think IGN have apparently been 'bought out' and biased against the PS3 5 or 6 times now, yet now its all good because they've gave the game a good score, until the next Ps3 exclusive they give a bad score too, then sh*ts going to kick off again.

Fact: A site/magazine won't give a game for review to someone who is biased against that specific platform the game is on, or they won't give the game to someone who doesn't like the genre.

Common sense really, then again, thats where quite a few people seem to be going wrong lately on the internet.

[James Vanderbeek]

keep saying killzone 2 is all about the graphics and nothing else.. lol.. than you havent played the demo.. the graphics are only one part of the game. the animation and the AI is something i have never seen in a game.. Plus the physics.. even shooting a brick wall is fun in killzone 2.. lol... shoot the wall see the bullets burn into the cement with smoke coming off the wall is something else.. having bad guys react to every move you make is unreal.. Killzone 2 is definitely the best FPS game i have ever played and this is based off the demo..

[kornbeaner]

Edge does it for hits. Much like Howard Stern in his early career. They do things so people talk about them. And much like Howard Stern the routine is gonna get stale and only the dedicated are gonna tune in.
Its that simple no use getting your panties in a bunch.

[Figboy]

probably would have let this go already if so many OTHER publications didn't keep PICKING at the issue trying to have their say.

we vented at Edge. it's done, over. finished. we ALL KNOW that Edge was completely off the mark with their score, ESPECIALLY when you read the body of their review, and see how much they actually ENJOYED the game. saying the game has amazing visuals, excellent multi-player, and a quality campaign mode (with a decidedly weak story/characterization), DOES NOT, in any way, shape, or form, compute to a 7/10 score. what they are telling me, with a score like that, is that gameplay and graphics DON'T matter when compared to story and presentation, when, for the past 3+ years, we've been hearing "Gameplay over Graphics" every time a PS3 game even comes CLOSE to surpassing the competition's graphics, and the irony is from Edge's words THEMSELVES, Killzone 2 delivers the gameplay, both campaign and multi-player, but they STILL saw fit to slap a 7/10 score against it, because of it's STORY??

i'm sorry, it makes no sense.

anyway, my original point is that sites like Variety, Destructoid, computerandvideogames.com, etc, are the ones PESTERING the PS3 community, painting them ALL in one stroke, and calling them, in no uncertain terms, "stupid, whiny, retarded, moronic, and immature," because they happen to be calling out a magazine's BLATANT double standards and hypocrisy.

here, let me try and illustrate it better:

Edge says:

Gears of War 2: weak story, great graphics, good campaign, great multi-player - score: 9/10
Halo 3: decent story, decent graphics, relatively good campaign, great multi-player - score 10/10
Fear 2: good story, decent graphics, decent campaign, average multi-player - score 8/10

Metal Gear Solid 4: good story, great graphics, good campaign, good multi-player -
score 8/10
Resistance 2: decent story, relatively good graphics, great multi-player - score 6/10
Killzone 2: decent story, great graphics, very good campaign, great multi-player - score 7/10

and people SERIOUSLY can't see what's wrong with this? where is the consistency in criteria for judging a good game, or for at LEAST the scoring system?

but hey, let's just focus on the few rabid PS3 fanboys that may have grumbled about a less than 10/10 score, instead of focusing on the TRUE issue at hand, and that's the broken review system rampaging the gaming press.

yeah, gaming media, shirk away when the lens is directed towards you, and insult your potential readerbase by calling them whiny liars, who shouldn't accept any other opinion than the one the almighty gaming media TELLS them they should have ("PS3 has no games," is "too expensive," is "inferior to Xbox LIVE," and "is just a glorified Blu Ray player," amiright, eh, eh?).

i'm a Playstation 3 fan. no denying that. i've enjoyed the PS3 since i bought it two years ago.

but i'm not a blind fanboy, and i can see the double standards and hypocrisy running rampant when it comes to the PS3. but as a Playstation fan, my opinion on the matter is somehow invalid? it's somehow not to be taken into consideration, because my views are "tainted" by my enjoyment of the PS3? F*CK YOU.

PS3 fans are angry, because they have been the most ridiculed, scrutinized, lambasted fans of a gaming console in quite possible the HISTORY of gaming consoles, all because of the mistakes and arrogance of SONY back at E3's 2005 and 2006.

it's YOU, the gaming media, that isn't letting this issue die, not the fanboys.

if anything, most REAL Playstation 3 fans are simply content in the fact that, despite all the anti-hype, despite all the claims of "teh LIES, teh LIES!" Killzone 2 has delivered on it's graphics and gameplay promises.

to say that the majority of PS3 fans were complaining about a 94/100, or 9/10 score is flat out untrue. PS3 fans getting pissed about Edge's 7/10 score isn't just a difference in opinion, but a matter of inconsistency, double standards, and hypocrisy this is only being illustrated by this "US vs THEM" BS that the media has decided to take up.

and you know what, at the end of the day, it's US the gamers, that are right. it's US, the gamers, that are going out, and buying these games in such large quantities as to make a profit for these publishers/developers, not the handful of pompous, arrogant, self righteous, elitist "journalists" who think that THEIR opinion is somehow more relevant, and more CORRECT than us gamers.

but hey, what do i know? apparently i'm just a whiny, Playstation 3 fanboy, and my opinion should be discarded and not considered because of it.

everything is all MS conspiracies and buy outs in my world, right? amiright? no logic, reason, or actually seeing with my OWN TWO EYES what's going on in the gaming media, right? *rolls eyes*

[Gandhi Man]

Give me a break people, get a life. It's a video game.

[THE TRUTH]

IF (and this is a big IF) the review from EDGE was biased then we as gamers (no matter what console you prefer) should make a stand! Wether you like/love PS3 or Sony is really irrelevant, GG games worked extemely hard under extreme pressure to develope this awsome game (that thus far could define this generation of video games), why should EDGE be able to just write up any ole review, with a biased opinion and reflect a score not worthy of the game and work put in to make said game? Personally that really pisses me off and it should piss other gamers off as well!

Is Halo 3 flawless?
Is GoW 1 & 2 flawless?

Wether "X" game is better than "Y" game is really not the point but something as obvious as Graphics and Sound has already been pretty much universally been seen as Killzone 2 is superior to any game this generation thus far! So that is already 2 huge legs up on the competition!

Another thing as a gamer that just pisses me off to the fullest is this ignorant comparison some of these reviews are using in regards to Killzone 2 and CoD4! These 2 games cannot be compared at all! CoD4 is a novice shooter both online and offline. It's a nice shooter that gamers of all ages can pick up and play but as far as an intense REAL VETERAN GAMER FPS, it just isn't. The fact that the game has auto aim and it's run n gun style makes it more of an arcade type shooter. Killzone 2 is more of an simulation type shooter. Example: GT series vs. NFS series.

Honestly it's not the graphics that have me excited to play this game it's the gameplay. I love that the controls aren't like CoD4, I love that when a majority of gamers hop online the first time they will be smacked in the face wit a learning curve, which will seperate the elite from the noobs! Halo 3 isn't my cup of tea and GoW 1&2 doesn't do it for me (online matches just don't have the player numbers need to get me into it sorry) But Killzone 2 is really what I have been waiting for.

Basically what I'm saying is I just don't think the EDGE review gave GG's it just do for all the effore and hardwork put in to make this game, and at the end of the day I feel EDGE owed GG at least an unbiased, honest and complete review.

[jax07]

I want to know how the game works not what they dont like about it.How does them telling me what they dont like even though it has nothing to do with how the game plays help me as a consumer?

[iEternal]

Exactly. People saying "it's the reviewers opinion" doesn't help out at all with the argument. The 'reviewer' is supposed to leave his personal opinion out of the review... unless it was his own personal blog or something. The gamers want solid reviews, not opinions... a reviewer is supposed to leave his opinion out of the review.

F2 better than KZ2, and just as good as MGS4? What planet are these guys from? Edge REALLY needs to develop a better system to review games and not just rely on some asshat's worthless opinion. But, I'm sure we all have enough common sense to see that's not the case... it is really a case of fanboyism.

The only reason I can see 360 fanboys not liking PS3 games is because big PS3 titles aren't arcade style games. Gears and Halo are arcade style games, the only one I can think of that isn't arcade-like is Mass Effect. But when it comes to MGS4 that has a deep story with lots of cut scenes, they count that as a con and score it a 8 (I saw that a lot with MGS4 'reviews'). Killzone 2 isn't a arcade style game either... it is an immersive FPS game that refines all the small details about FPS games and obviously has the best graphics on any console to top it off.

What I'm saying is... games shouldn't be judged on how much 'everyone will like them' or 'how many people might like them' or any little nit pick any individual might notice, they should be reviewed by what the game set out to do and how well they accomplished it. If they would have judged KZ2 that way, it would have gotten 10's across the board. It doesn't matter what any one person's personal opinion about it is, because that's completely subjective and everyone's opinion will mostly differ about different aspects about the game. Sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, and don't score it low because it is not what YOU think it should be.

Again, judge a game by how well it accomplished what it set out to do, not how arcade friendly it is or isn't to everyone. Killzone 2 is not Gears and it is not Halo, its f*cking Killzone 2!

[Adolph Fitler]

Edge, and any other site or mag that scored this game under 9/10 suck. The game is absolute class through and through. Just the demo exhibits this to anyone sane. I'm tired of reading reviewers score fps's down due to bad stories, lack of originality and such.

We are at a point now where the only important things for a fps's success is graphics, sound, immersion, feel (as in feel of guns firing and such), physics, and balls to the wall, non stop action.

What kind of idiot buys a fps for the compelling storyline. If there well done, and fun to play, the story is nothing. Matter of fact, most games these days (now the fmv novelty has worn off) I skip the cut scenes to start playing again, as I feel it actually sucks me outta the zone. Leave good stories to games like POP and RPG's. Action based games should focus on.....ACTION....surprise...An d Killzone 2 does all that is required, like no game before it.

As soon as I played the demo, this game soared to the top of my buy list. These attention seeking sites giving low scores can eat a fat one.

[badkolo]

whats funny is go to meta critic and scrtoll down on kz2 reviews, got o the ones in 90's read those, some of them arent that flattering either.

they all say its pretty but then they bash it for other reasons, so lay of edge.

[emandm]

Ask yourselves, is it better than Cod4 or Cod 5, the controls are poor even when you change them. It doesn't flow like a decent game should, the lighting is good but in my opinion it's a 7/10 at best, the Edge have been generous. Does the game look like the CGI target video from 2005, well the CGI in the game matches it. If you think that this game is graphically the best ever then go and get your cataracts' done. There, dare i say it, it isn't the best game in the world. I was desparately hoping that this title would live up to the hype, but unfortunately it doesn't. As a games machine the PS3 makes an excellent Bluray movie player!

[OGharryjoysticks]

"is grossly overated!" I always thought that about Call of Duty.

[LegendKillar]

all this site is doing is exactly what edge wanted to happen, get people talking about them and giving them all this attention, so stfu and get over it, edge is a p.o.s. just get over the score.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Kotaku defending Edge

[LiquifiedArt]

PS3 Price point, Hence, it gets scrutinzed BEYOND belief. I've had a PS3 from day 1 and its a fantastic system. Better then the PS1 or PS2 in every way, but it was born to be attacked.

Sony is leader. They come at 200$ above competition. They have a brand new infant Online service and promoted the power of the PS3. Although It does have more power and we can see that in many games. Its not 200$ more power. However, you are getting a bluray player and wifi for 200$ so that is a pretty damn good deal.

People want to hate on SONY for one thing... PRICE. They dont care about blu-ray or no blu-ray, They want awesome games at a price (THEY CAN AFFORD) and for all those "haters" (people who can't afford) out there, they jumped ship to the 360 and now are on there new favorite teams fan wagon.

This is normal. But the True Playstation Gamers and Sony Loyalist's (Me) included respect the companies direction and the variety they offer. Hence, we stay with Sony for quality products and services. We also understand the fundamental VISION differences of the Xbox and Playstation. Sony builds First party (long-term) exclusive support. Micorsoft buys 3rd party (short-term) exclusives or timed exclusivies) WHen push comes to shove, the Sony vision will undoubtebly outshine Microsoft's (this is fact. The PS3 is the Mercedes of Gaming, Everyone knows this.

That was a Rant lol.

Point is... PS3 gets the Middle finger from media and fanboys because of ONE thing.... PRICE. If it was the same price as competition at launch it would of sold 3x's the amount and xbox (once again) would the dirty old console that no one wants.