Sony hints at future third party downgrades for 360

Speaking in a recent interview with VideoGamer.com, Sony Computer Entertainment UK managing director Ray Maguire has suggested that future multi-platform titles from third-parties will be led on PS3 and will have to be downgraded for systems with weaker processors.

[DarkSniper]

This further shows that PLAYSTATION®3 is the developers choice for fully realizing their true potential and visions for their respective titles. Microsoft has run out of methods to swindle and bribe developers to lead on their system. Justice has finally been completed, exclusive downloadable content can only work for so long until developers finally realize that their titles are being criticized due to the limitations of Xbox 360. Grand Theft Auto IV is a prime example.

Dark Sniper once again encourages those who havent that now is a perfect time to jump out and play b3yond.

$niper

[Pennywise]

This is wishful thinking. Devs are not innovative enough to make one version run better than the next. It is easier to keep them equal.

I wish devs would get a little more innovative with the PS3... Only time will tell.

Its hard for consumers to be able to see how good the PS3 really is with stupid reviews making comments like GeoW2 is the best looking game on consoles.

[ultimolu]

Shhhh! What are you dooooing? >_<
I think I heard someone crying in the background.

[CyberSentinel]

...."brace yourselves lemmings, we lost MORE exclusives".

Hmm, lets start the guessing game....

L.A. Noire?

DC Universe Online?

The Agency?

Oh, that's right, most of those games will be going to pc already, so Sony does not even have them!

[DARKKNIGHT]

they are like vultures always jumping at the smallest morsel...even when that morsel is poisoned

1 baffoon states:
"Oh well, as time passes, I am comfortable to the fact that Sony over promised yet again on their console, and what I have now is a console that can barely match my 360. Oh well, they are both good consoles, and they aren't the rip off like the Wii. But the Sony lies and arrogance is just leaving me with a very sour taste for their products now."

LOL.Has this tool been livin in a jailcell? Does he not know that 1st party games such as ratchet and clank, (which came out 1 year ago)Sound amazing, play and look better than ANYthing the 360 has in the same timeframe??
Perfect DARK vs RESISTANCE...2 launch titles.
Lair,heavenlysword,uncharted, RnC,Warhawk,lbp,r2,mgs4,GRANTU R ISMO versus anything the 360 has out now.....LOL.
im sure that leaves a sour taste in the 360 owners mouth. Speaking of sour tastes, i guess its ok when the xbox just breaks out of nowhere? while paying2play online? repeatedly...LOL

now for the finishing blow to the xbox fanboy era:

LOL. With ps3 sales going up and ALL of these great exclusives, it was about time devs chose the ps3 as the lead platform.
Now is the time we see the difference in hardware by multiplat titles. Meaning gta5 is going to be amazing.....hopefully on the scale of SAN ANDREAS.

my question is: HOW MUCH MONEY CAN M$ BLeeeeeeeeeeeD, while watching every single one of their antiSONY plans go down the drains?

[GameDev]

xbots don't realize is that the 360 runs a leaner version of the same game. Whereas the PS3 can handle more polygons per character model,higher texture resolutions,more objects on screen, etc.
You start to get an idea of the effort it would take to make a "PS3" level game. Youd have TWO sets of everything. Most 3rd party developers aren't willing to go through that expense. Couple that with devs out there who are still trying to wrap their heads around using the SPE'S and you can see why 360 versions of titles seem to be "keeping up".
Ultimately this makes the same point others have said and that is EXCLUSIVES will win this for Sony. Now what Ray hints at for the future does sound interesting. Maybe they have provided the tools to make porting a PS3 level game to 360 level performance easier?

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

The xBot Zombie Cavemen Lemmings don't even deserve the Downgraded Leftovers!!!
;-D

[FBl]

This is true

[IBF]

360 = flop

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

The 'xBox 360' has no SOUL!!! ;-D

[Pebz]

About as credible as anything Aaron Greenberg says. How anyone can take these PR statements seriously is beyond me. Deliver first, brag later imo.

[La Chance]

So according to Sony multiplat games are dumbed down because of 360.

The funny thing is 99% multiplat games look and run better on 360.

Even former exclusives (DMC4 , Assasins Creed etc) or games that have the PS3 as lead platform look the same or look better on the 360 (Mirrors Edge , GTA4 etc)

Sony should keep quite and focus on finally getting some cash out of the PS3.

[Nineball2112]

the article does say at the end that "We're already seeing multi-format titles being lead on PS3, including the great looking Mirror's Edge from DICE, but judged on the released demo the game still looks marginally sharper on Xbox 360."

So, videogamer.com thinks that Mirror's Edge looks "marginally" sharper on the Xbox 360, if that even means anything to anyone other than fanboys. :-)

[thewhoopimen]

Great Point Pebz. Too bad MS didn't take your advice to heart at the BEGINNING of the PS3 console cycle. Remember the MS PR Tech articles about the inferior PS3? Well... karma bites.

@La Chance/AgentVX Again if multiplats are so great why is there only one game COD4, that really compares to Sony or even MS's 1st/3rd party exclusive lineup? That answer is multiplats rarely push hardware potential on either console. Name a multiplat better than geow2, resistance 2, mgs4, Fable2 etc? Exclusive 1st/3rd party parties are at the top, b/c they push consoles technically. Multiplats don't.

[SWORDF1SH]

yeah i agree. nobody should listen to pr sh*t. but ps3 games do look better or at least a lot closer to the 360 version when the lead platform is the ps3. the only way to get the lookin closer if the lead platform was the 360 is if they spend a extra 3 or 4 months on the ps3 version which they dont so programmers should lead on the ps3 and get both games on both platforms lookin good.

[Agent VX]

Wow, after all the "multiplat" beatings the PS3 gets, this Sony PR dude still spews out garbage like this??? LOL, what the nerve!!!

I give credit, when credit is due, but the PS3 has massively failed to impress when taken in context that it was advertised to be the "Most Powerful Console on Earth", and it has easily failed this claim so far.

When I bought my PS3, I expected a good Bluray player, which it is, and more importantly, a console that I can see differences from my 360 graphically. And guess what, I am still waiting!!!

Oh well, as time passes, I am comfortable to the fact that Sony over promised yet again on their console, and what I have now is a console that can barely match my 360. Oh well, they are both good consoles, and they aren't the rip off like the Wii. But the Sony lies and arrogance is just leaving me with a very sour taste for their products now.

Personally I think both Sony and MS have some growing up to do, and remember that their customers come first.

[SWORDF1SH]

sony are lookin likely to deliver on their promise with killzone, heavy rain, wardevil and even the scale and scope of r2 delivers even thou not graphically amazin. rome wasnt built in a day.

[Bnet343]

Now Sony seems to be busting out their wallets. I think they had enough. ;)

[La Chance]

"La Chance/AgentVX Again if multiplats are so great why is there only one game COD4, that really compares to Sony's 1st party lineup? That answer is multiplats rarely push hardware potential on either console".

First of all , theres a whole lot of games that look as good if not even better than COD4.
And maybe multiplats dont push hardware potentiel (I dont know and dont care) but in that case how can they be dumbed down by the 360 since it doesnt push it to the limit ? If they are dumbed down the WHY oh WHY they look better on 360 ???!!! Even former PS3 exclusives at least look as good as on the PS3.

[Agent VX]

How you can even say this, is beyond me. Maybe you can explain "WHY" if 3rd party developers never push console to their limits (which is a obvious lie), why the PS3 has so much trouble running games the 360 does with ease.

Oh yeah!!! I forgot, I will save you the time to respond, it's "Lazy Developers". 'Rolls Eyes'

The only thing being dumbed down here is childish fanboys!!!. This PS3 was advertised as the "Most Powerful Console on Earth" and regardless of what you think of 3rd party titles and their 1st party titles have not gone beyond any of the games on the 360.

All I keep hearing about is "Just Wait". This happened to Lair, Haze, Uncharted, MGS 4, and guess what... these games failed to do anything beyond what the 360 can do. Just recently, all I was hearing was how much Mirror's Edge will be better, and guess what, the reviews are mixed as some say the 360 looks better, some say the PS3 looks better.

Well, all these claims that a game firstly developed for the PS3 would blow away the 360 version is just "Bunk" now.

And now I have to listen too yet again about Killzone, Heavy Rain and Wardevil. Yawn!!! So far, Killzone has failed to impress me as if gets worse looking every trailer I see. But this is nothing new so far with Sony titles, looking fantastic with initial trailers, and final game is downgraded with technical issues splattered around.

Listen, the PS3 is a powerful console like the 360. But 2 yrs into it's life, the PS3 should of started to see titles clearly better graphically than the 360, and that just hasn't happened. So claim all you want, until the evidence is shown, the PS3 has failed miserably from the claim of "Most Powerful Console on Earth".

[hay]

@Agent VX: You have a point there but judging by the things you write I don't think you know much about programming so you're not really a reliable source of information when it comes to hardware comparison.
And yeah, there are games that look absolutely amazing on Xbox, can't deny it.
But lets compare lead platform development. X360 development almost everytime ended with dumbed PS3 versions. When came to PS3 lead, xbox versions look and play as they should be. There is a reason why EA makes a transition to PS3 as their lead development. And it may not be cause of PS3 superiority. PS3 to X360 porting is just easier than the opposite way to end with both high quality versions.
This MAY lead to conclusion that X isn't really a good platform for lead when it comes to multiplatforming. And that may be also the reason why former PS3 exclusives look amazing also on X.
EA is doing it right now so the guy's pretty much right.

It's not just "me consolez be better, yourz suxorz". Programming/development world is a bit more complicated than that but I won't dwell in this one.

Edit: Xbox360 is strong right now so it may need some time for downgrade to happen but MS isn't dumb, they'll release next console then which will do just fine or even better.

[SWORDF1SH]

how can you look at wardevil and killzone running on ps3 and say they dont blow the xbox out the water graphically. the truth is the ps3 is hard to develop for and even thou its been out 2 years. it takes about 2 years to make a decent game. there will be a few suprises in 2009 and there will be stuff shown in 2009 that will come out in 2010 that will blow show off the ps3. the xbox is just about topped out because its easier to programme for. ps3 is jus startin to show signs. mgs4, uncharted lbp are the first wave. the second wave is gonna be better

[Pain]

..PS3 is no kid so hopefully the Adult's (the Dev's) can play full tackle~

420 hours RFOM 2 any body?

[The Lazy One]

"it takes about 2 years to make a decent game."

Killzone 2 has been in development since at least 2005 if not sooner. Also, they don't blow the 360 out of the water. They are beautiful games, but by no means do they "blow the xbox out of the water". Gears of War 2 is still easily comparable(not better, comparable) graphically to killzone 2, and it's on an engine available at the launch of 360.

[littletad]

I really have no idea why this is being posted. This is what Sony has been saying for years. And although I know he's mostly a fan of the 360, La chance has a point. Games that were even developed first, still look and play better on the 360 than the ps3 counterparts. And Sony still does not have a bigger install base than the 360, and refuse to lower prices for this holiday. So the only thing they have are their handful of exclusives and corporate smack talk. 2008 was suppose to be the year of ps3, but as it turns out, the Wii and 360 are doing just fine with their own exclusives. Talking about system specs and processing for 2 years straight is just plain silly at this point.

[Mozilla89]

"But Mirrors Edge looks marginally sharper on the 360." Whatever buddy they both look the exact same to me.

[RememberThe357]

Did you really need to bring up price again? Well, heres your reason: http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

[littletad]

What the? You brought up that link? What issue did you think I have with the price? All I meant was that since the ps3 isn't reducing it's prices, the 360 looks a little more appealing in the price factor. That's not gonna help Sony gain a lead in the user base.

Your link is just Sony saying it isn't reducing the price because it's thinking of it's shareholders.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I'm trying not to take sides here, but from a developer standpoint (I'm software engineer for a living) you usually engineer for the most restrictive hardware first and repurpose it for the more flexible system.

The fact that most games have to be lead on the PS3 in order for it to look as good as the Xbox 360 tells me the hardware is a b*tch to program for. They can spin it all they want, but that is common sense. PS3 might be more powerful, but only if you can unlock it with a lot of work.... Very few companies will put effort into this, especially when almost all games now are multiplatform and they would do their fans a disservice by making one version better than the other.

[SWORDF1SH]

i said it takes at least 2 years to make a decent game to address a comment sayin that the ps3 as been out 2 years and theres no games that proves the ps3 is capable of makin better games than the 360. geow2 may come close but from what ive seen kz2 it a lot better, and that inclidin graphics, lightin and effects like explosions and fire and smoke etc. geow2 is good but its not close to kz2. my comments are from what ive seen and not what ive played because i havent played any. but this is my opinion and i respect yours. until i get to play both i cant make a conclusion.

[No Way]

Actually, it was.. Rome all started out with a few houses which were built in the first day. However, the expansion of Rome did not take one day. =P Kiddin.

"sony are lookin likely to deliver on their promise with killzone, heavy rain, wardevil" Yes, they are, but those are not multiplat games. ;) Which is what this article is talking about.

[SWORDF1SH]

lol very funny
and yeah youre right i have gone off topic. sometimes when you comment or counter comment on comments you tend to stray from topic. my bad

[Lifendz]

if Devs can achieve that, and start to lead for a system with a standard HDD, then maybe this is true. But you're right in that you can't trust PR people. His job is dependent upon him selling systems. Hard not to be bias under those circumstances.

[The Lazy One]

I guess my quote was poor. I was getting at the fact that it takes a lot more time to eek out that extra performance (like you see in KZ2) on the PS3. KZ2 might edge out Gears, but it doesn't blow it out of the water by any means. They are both tremendously beautiful games, and considering gears has 2 games in the series released in around a year more development time than KZ2, I'd give it the edge from a development standpoint.

If gears looked like @$$, I'd give them the edge on having the superior acheivement, but considering they were both announced in 2005, I have to give the edge to the developers that released 2 games that are still some of the best looking and decently playing games around.

[SWORDF1SH]

ok point taken. idk if its taken this long because they built their own engine or what. it feels like an enternity in development. but im gonna stand by my opinion kz2 being superior to gears in the graphics department.

[pixelsword]

...Sony, STFU until you actually achieve that goal; a slight improvement in Mirror's edge in the demo is hardly bragging rights.

[thebudgetgamer]

i dont care if my version is better then yours i just dont want broken games

:)

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Ridiculous to compare that Dice Mirrors edge game Demo on the PS3 to Xbox 360 version !!
Truth is that game is not that complex interns of Texture and resolution work and horsepower!!!
This game could of easily been done in 1080p On the PS3 and guess what would, of stomped that 360's weak low def edram!!
But to do so would not be good business would it!!
So take a look at a game called Wipeout HD on PS3 and tell me if that old game doesn't look better than that Dice game does!!!!
It has the same futuristic feel and colors !!! But is TRUE 1080p 60FPS BTW!!!

Now lets play fair and do comparisons A hOLES!!!

[BattleAxe]

Looks like the XBOX 360 Fanboys are getting really jealous and worried. The focus is shifting because the developers are realizing that the XBOX 360 is only going to be around for another 2 or 3 years.

Why is it that we are only hearing about 2 exclusive games(Splinter Cell and Alan Wake) after Gears of War 2? The big downfall isn't the 360's processor, its just simply the fact that it uses DVDs. Developers want to make bigger and better games and therefore they are going to start to focus on the PS3.

[CrazedFiend]

Too many POLITICS involved. It has nothing to do with the hardware.

UNLESS Sony plans on trying to flex its POLITICAL muscle, nothing, I repeat NOTHING is gonna change!

[No Way]

"lol very funny" Haha. Yeaa, I know, right? ;)

"sometimes when you comment or counter comment on comments you tend to stray from topic." Yea. I hear ya, sometimes it's hard not to stray from the topic especially when you're counter commenting some of these people on this site..

"and yeah youre right i have gone off topic." By the way, looking forward to all those games you mentioned. =P

"my bad" Hehe. It's cool, I was just givin ya a heads up. =Þ
Bubbles to you, sir.

[No Way]

Uhm, I don't know if you realized it or not, but MicroSoft doesn't mention or talk about new upcoming titles, or what not, that is coming the next year. At least, until it is the next year, or close to it.

So, you'll be hearing about more, trust me.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I'm just waiting for the PS3 to start showing it, because so far... it's been a one sided war in favor of the 360, about 98% of the time, for the past "two" years.

[olivia]

butt face it's not the ps3 that can't handle the ports ,it's the developers that are too lazy to use the ps3 to it's full advantage.well not all,creators of games like uncharted,the mgs series,god of war ,gears,halo.killzone,resistanc e..etc all use the console power that is currently avaiable. so shut your face,the ps3 is the future,the 360 had a year head start and yet all multi games look the same are better on the ps3,so what the hell you think well happened next year and beyond when games like killzone2,god of war 3,uncharted 2,demon lords and every other ps3 exclusives.and thats just the tip of the iceberg.you said sony only hits and never deliver ,...were the hell you've been living man.for all the mistakes sony had in the begin they done a great job taking care of their fans,with every patch sony sends us the ps3 gets better,i paid 632 dollars(including insurance)and the ps3 in my eye's is worth a thousand right now my ps3 does way more than my computer,i don't have explain to you why the ps3 is a better buy and product that the 360 cause deep down you know.some people might talk about price well i can bet that next year when kilzone 2 hits they will drop the price by 100 dollars,and if u compare the 199 xbox 360 to it, Microsoft is f*cking over every xbots has i text, it does not even have hard drive ,no wifi ,less than 20 gigs of memory (pitiful),no hd player i mean for that money i rather buy a wii than have a naked 360 that is all ready a faulty hardware,which eventually u would have to spend more that the cost of the ps3 to get it up to par.it desrectpectful,and it's a no brainier. so don't make it seem like sony is just sittig on their ass doing nothing,because if they were the ps2 would of been cancel has soon as the ps3 came it to play that's not what u can say about Microsoft.(by the way no offense to people who can only afford the 199 360,with this economy i understand just wanted to prove a point peace.(ps escuse my spelling)

[pp]

Hahahahhaha that title should say Microsoft hints at future third party downgrades for PS3.

[Egzekutor]

With what ? haha 3core processor ??
Quad-Core processors from AMD are already beating your sh1tty 360 CPU..
While Cell is still the champ.

[rekonizakilla]

Sorry sarcasm doesn't come across well in text.

[pshizle]

at least it is coming!!! and no longer exclusive

[DARKKNIGHT]

good comeback, but how da phuckkkkkkkkk does he have 2 bubbles?

that means xbox fans took away his ability to speak on these boards, means xboxfans r SCARED.

+ bubbles to all

[pp]

Also will they come with PATCHES.

[Pennywise]

All games have patches, grow up.

[ultimolu]

Fable II patches.
Too Human patches.

Grow up pp.

[Boty]

Well, Well Well You NOOOO WHAT!! 360 BETTER THAN PSWee!!!!! SO THEAR!

(*Turns around and walks away*)

[squall2099]

FBI HAS NO LIFE

[badkolo]

is this a joke, ps3 has been getting trampled with crappier multi games and now they just have said it themselves basicly.

anyway byt the time this shows to be true it will be a year, so either way you slice it for 4 years they ruled on the 360. and like i always point out byt then its to late, a year later the new xbox will be out and it wont matter, also lets not forget that the 360 has proved time and time and time again it can improve as well, maybe not by much but improvements are always made and every year the games look better.

thats all that matters, the 360 has come and ruled.

[na2ru1]

and y so desperate for the new next gen xbox?

[ultimolu]

...Ruled in what?

Hardware failures?
Ripping consumers off?

[Max Power]

don't forget the decreasing sales each year which microsoft has cut the price dramatically every 6 months, just to try to maintain sales numbers.

[Overr8ed]

watch someone twist this around to flame bait.
this does make some sense, better your system to better others.

[ultimolu]

Oh, I'm waiting.
This thread will have over 100 comments and counting.

[SWORDF1SH]

45 comments and counting lol.
jus another day on n4g

[ape007]

you know xbox 360 is a powerful console,gears 2 looks ace

but when i just saw latest killzone 2 gameplay,I just said wow,360 really cannot do half this

rockstar please,next gta ps3 exclusive and with blu-ray,it will be a dream come true

[ultimolu]

Please Sony, don't play the arrogance card again.
But then again, most of what was said is true.

[ultimolu]

I interpret this in two ways.

1. I hope Sony doesn't become arrogant by saying this, and 2. They do have a point. Since the PS3 is the hardest one to develop for, it's only natural that it should take the lead in development for multiplatform games.

And...I see three disagrees already. Nice.

[hay]

Disagrees with a fact are the most beautiful manifestation of narrow mind.
I was pretty surprised that someone from Sony said that but since EA(yeah, EA) is switching to PS3 lead development it is quite true.
I think that will buff up games' quality a bit. It's great for all gamers.

[JayTe 123]

look at mirror's edge. most people say (me included) that it looks better on the non leading platform...

[Max Power]

lets all look at the demo, because we all know the game is finished and they just felt like releasing 10 mins of gameplay instead of the actual game.

[JayTe 123]

then they'll have a lot of work to do in 9 days! the most copies are already packed and sealed going to the stores...

[Johnny Rotten]

you know it's really too bad they had to pick out this one statement to help start a flame war. The WHOLE interview was actually pretty good and down to earth. Oh well that's the internet for ya.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Omega4]

Downgraded?

Whenever the 360 is lead the PS3 version is worse, yet whenever the PS3 is lead both versions are the same and in some cases the 360 version is still better (like Mirrors edge will 2xAA)

360 is easier to developer for so why would devs go for the harder option when nothing much will come of it, but harder work. Just look at Square Enix they left the PS3 as lead to go with the PC because its easier

Why do you think games designed for the PS3 take longer to make (like Killzone 2), because its harder and cost a hell of a load of money

[DA_SHREDDER]

Wanna talk about long development times? Look at Alan Wake and Too Human. Killzone 2 is already done in half the time it took for microsoft to make these games., Also, They just didn't want to release it when so many shooters were on the market. You are an idiot aren't you?

On your question" why would devs go for the harder option?". Um lets see,, the ps3 user base is 17 million strong. The question is ,, why wouldn't they? Dude,, and I wouldn't call that hard work. They get paid too much for what they do. I dont think that you or them devs even know the definition of hard work. You obviously have never had a real job.

[ultimolu]

...No.

Both versions look the same, PERIOD.

[PopEmUp]

Omega u just a left brain and need to take a day off cause been on N4g 24/7 and had no life is a real concern for you mate

Wait why am I reply to a fanboy of one side and criticize the other man my mistake

[Omega4]

Alan wake took a long time because Remedy is a small studio, Too Human took a long time because its changed platforms a lot

Killzone 2 has over 200 people working on it a its taken over 5 years to make in that time 2 Gears games were released.

If you want a game to be released faster on a platform which has a bigger install base, easier to developer for and a much high attach rate your going to pick the 360

It will be a long time before any big release multiplat games have the PS3 for a lead Fallout, GTA, Bioshock and many others are prove of that

[devilhunterx]

familiar does not equals to being easier.

[JD_Shadow]

Johnathan Mak would like to say "Hi" to you!

[DJ]

It's one of the best looking games this generation, and is definitely the most groundbreaking release of all time.

[Darkseider]

If you look at titles developed on the PS3 by first parties such as Insomniac, Polyphony Digital, MM and Guerilla Games they are absolutely stunning. Thats not to say that a XBox 360 game would look excellent as well but to develop on the PS3 first and to port to the XBox 360 is only common sense. Look at Burnout Paradise and Mirrors Edge as examples of how this process WORKS. Then look at Fallout 3 to see how the opposite fails miserably. Granted Fallout 3 has its' share of problems on all platforms it is available for but some seem to be more prevalent on the PS3. By using the PS3 as the lead you are forced to write elegant and streamlined code for your engine(s) and this translates into a better game for both the PS3 and XBox 360.

[La Chance]

Its normal that 1st party studios handle the PS3 better than 3rd party devs.

1st party devs work ONLY on ps3.All their time and money goes EXCLUSIVELY to the PS3 which is not the case of 3rd party devs.(even with all that KZ2 took 4 years)

But yeah I agree that it would be a better idea to to use PS3 as lead platform.

But once again seems easier and cheaper for devs to start on 360 then bring it to PS3 and its normal that devs put the 360 first since it has the bigger insatll base.

[Darkseider]

Yes it is probably a little cheaper for devs to go with the XBox 360 first and then to the PS3. But where it doesn't make sense, at least in my mind is this. XBox 360 has a larger user base so they go with that... they release the PS3 version, which at a 17 million userbase in no small amount. The PS3 version of the title is shovelware and just plain old garbage because they threw it together and its a bad port.

Now I ask this. If you were a dev would you rather take the little extra time to produce an equal product knowing that it would garner more sales? Yes the time to market may be a couple months longer BUT you would then be able to capitalize on it knowing that more of the 17 million would buy a good product as opposed to shunning a crappy one. At least that's my take on it.

[La Chance]

Yeah , I kind of agree with you but dont forget 99% of ps3 owners who were planning to buy Fallout 3 for instance are still going to but it anyway even with all the issues and I bet the big majority of PS3 owners arent even aware of the issues so maybe thats why devs use the 360 as lead platform anyway , because they know they'll get away with it.

[RememberThe357]

I don't know about that. I was talking to my friend, who work at GameCrazy, yesterday about Fallout 3 and how they have sold all of 4 copies, and most people haven't picked up their preorders. that might just be his store, but it could also be hinting at a trend.

[thematrix1298]

good job Sony...we can't be slowed down by 360's bad architecture..gaming industry must evolve and improve

[Mr PS3]

Xbox Sucks

[00]

that mean they're bringing out their checkbook.

[Mr_Luke]

This Maguire is exagering.... M$ and Sony are playing ping pong with these stupid "suggestions", first one, then the other, then the first again and so on.. bah
And if this will be true, why don't they start showing something? Just words for now.

[Darkseider]

Well how many 3rd party devs go with the PS3 as the lead and then port to XBox has to be seen but some already have. Those that have have shown that it is viable and it works. Example is DICE that make Bad Company and Mirrors Edge. Then there is Criterion Games and Burnout Paradise. These games look excellent and perform excellent on both consoles because the time was taken by both studios to do it RIGHT. Shovelware, whether it is for the PS3 or XBox 360 is unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

[anubis12]

by the time that even happens Microsoft will have a new system.

[na2ru1]

in order to keep up with the future of PLAYSTATION®3

[Egzekutor]

Thats actually true..

[snoopgg]

will actually blow up this time. No problem, Bill will just give you a 3 year return policy right out of the box. Ha Ha Ha. Go ahead Microsoft rush another piece of shat out to the gamers!!!!!

[4cough]

The CELL is a joke, Its worse than the emotion engine....Honestly history is already laughing at the CELL processor.

[ZmokeR]

But IMO i think of it like this.
I am NOT a fanboy because i have both 360/ps3. but i laugh when i see this tread and all the fanboys jumping on it as fast as they can.

First of all: We start of with the ppl in here that say Mirrors edge look sharper on 360? My question to you guys is, WTF are you basing that upon? For some days ago there was a link here on N4g that said: 360/ps3 DIFFERENCE PICTURES! and you can BARLEY see that the ps3 is SHARPER then 360. Some hours or days later a new link about Mirrors Edge comes up where it said: Mirrors edge looks a little bit sharper on PS3 or something like that. So PLZ stop with your **** BS!

Second: Gta 4 look better on 360? Oh thats why i have it on both 360 and ps3 and when i see the explosions on the 360 vs ps3 i laugh, the explosion is more detailed on ps3, butt lol thats the only thing.
So dont say It looks better on 360, it DOES look the same (except the explosions), but the game suck **** so why care?, i am waiting for gta 5 instead.

And third: DVC? Yea it looks better on 360 because the first that happened on ps3 was that it was a problem with the screen so they had to release a patch 4 the **** game, and when the patch get out it looked the same. Sooo?

This **** forum has been so mush about flamebates and crazy fanboys crying over that there games on there console look bad or better than the other.. what a ****!. get a **** GRIP!

You know what? , go to work, or work 1 or 2 days in week if you are studding and then you have enouff money for both of the consols and you can STOP with the flame bate..

Damn little kids!

[JayTe 123]

f** hilarious

[DJ]

Hell, Burnout Paradise had its crash physics and some visual effects toned down in the 360 version.

[jcfilth]

That's why some prefer to start development on the 360, if they start development on PS3 and push the hardware hard with games, by the time they port to 360 they will encounter a lot of limitations. They need to make sure both are the same being multiplatform games, that's why you see exclusive DLC only when there's money involved a la M$.

[josh14399]

well it makes sense for devs to have ps3 as lead platform because it is easier for them. and the 360 games will basically look the same apart from a little difference. basically anything that has lots on screen at once will look better or atleast run better on ps3 because its processor but i havnt seen anything that truly uses the cell on ps3 yet and it probly wont happen till the end of its life cycle.

[karlostomy]

This Sony rep has been sucking on the crack pipe once too often

What's worse though, is all the lemmings on here who will swallow his BS hook, line and sinker.

O deary me.
*sighs*

[NickIni]

Have a look at what the monkeys at MS have been saying, far more stupid and arrogant stuff than this, and look who swallowed that, hook line, and sinker?

[jcfilth]

I bet you bought an HD DVD add on right?

[karlostomy]

you're more brainwashed than i thought.

[anubis12]

new console every 5 years....it'll be that time soon enough

playstaion -xbox
ps2 - 360
ps3 - Its rival hasn't come yet

[xaviertooth]

xbox is so shiit compared to playstations

playstation 1 = 120M vs. xbox 15M
playstation 2 = 150M (and counting) vs. X360 20M (it will stop at 25M)
playstation 3 = > 150M (end of generation) vs. X720 (maybe around 25M also, end of generation)

[Zulwarn]

and yet the bs2's successor cant even handle 360 ports
hahahaha

[cheese]

Are we regressing back to the debate from 3 years ago? It certainly seems so

[InMyOpinion]

lol!

[FReeDoM4ALL]

No it doesn't. Period.

I have both, the PS3 looks slightly better, especially in terms of lighting. Same goes for Dead Space.

But these are just two games, we've all heard this PR bullshit before. I think we should just wait and let the games do the talking.

[Fatmanp]

What about systems that bottle kneck and have weaker GPUs.

[devilhunterx]

I am sure they can cut corners for the XB2

[bee2427]

There is no proof yet that the 360 would have to downgrade by ps3 being the leading system. One thing is for sure is that the Wii has to downgrade on every multiformat game! hehe ... anyways there is no reason for the games not to begin on the ps3 except for maybe a little less cost and/or laziness in my opinion... and the game comes out better when it starts on the ps3 (at least the ps3 game does, the 360 game is the same) so it would sell more copies, so the little extra cost will be worth it. I'm personally tired of broken games. I know their not easy to make, but stupid things like the ps3 freezing in fallout is malarkey

[cyclindk]

First off, you may never get a true example because if they had to make a downgraded version it may, for that very reason, not be made; but for the sake of argument:

If MGS4 were to go to the 360, the audio would almost certainly have to be compressed (poorer quality) in order to even HOPE to get all the data on a single DVD, not to mention other concessions in the ways of graphics.

That is one example, there will be more, assuredly, in the coming years.

[bee2427]

I hope so. Yeah MGS4 would have been downgraded atleast by the audio your right on that. The ps3 was promised to be the best system out, and i believe it is with all the features, but when it comes to games, it is only on par or maybe even a little below par ... the ps3 needs more exclusives to show its power but even gears of war 2 looks impressive to me

[devilhunterx]

How is Gears2?

[demoneyeslaharl]

Glad we got review systems all over the net. Wonder what next franchise Sony will give us...

[cyclindk]

I just think it's amazing that PS3 multi-plat titles look anywhere near as good as 360 versions considering they are A YEAR BEHIND IN DEVELOPMENT KNOW-HOW...JEEZ! They look close to 360 counterparts and the devs had a year less time and more complex architecture...that, I believe says everything all on its own.

Just imagine what devs will do with PS3 four or five years in!!! Only Xbots seem to be so short-sighted, "Ohhhhh, stop talking about what the PS3 is 'capable of' and what it does do," only morons or people who want a console for three years and then dump it think like that...

[0verdrive]

agreed. +bubbles

granted the ps3 may not ever have the power to "blow 360 out of the water", i feel that people lose sight that ps3 is still in the beginning(end of the beginning) of its lifecycle, and 360 seems to be hitting the middle of its lifecycle. plus the added fact that it is more difficult to program for, theres no reason for anyone to scream "ps3 is inferior hardware" because it really hasnt hit its groove yet, like 360 has. i mean, look at the difference between early ps2 titles compared to say, ffxii or other late ps2 games.

everyone needs to give the industry a chance, we are just getting into this gen's lifecycle, so everyone has stuff to look forward to.

[Parapraxis]

PS3 was lead for Burnout Paradise, Mirrors Edge, UT3, Final Fantasy 13, Dead Space, Skate 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Dark Sector, Devil May Cry 4.

All of theose games that are released run amazingly on both system. Which cannot be said for games that were lead on 360.
PS3 as lead is the SMART thing to do.

[Zulwarn]

yeah the bs3 is so powerful it cant even handle 360 ports while THE 360 can handle bs3 ports that fact alone tells me the 360 >>>>bs3

[NickIni]

and what is this PS3 port the 360 can handle?

[Zulwarn]

here is the lastest one :
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

rofl

[snoopgg]

The 360 would melt trying to run Killzone 2. Keep dreamin that your machine is actually better then a ps3, cause its not even close bud!!!!!!!1

[olivia]

butt face it's not the ps3 that can't handle the ports ,it's the developers that are too lazy to use the ps3 to it's full advantage.well not all,creators of games like uncharted,the mgs series,god of war ,gears,halo.killzone,resistanc e..etc all use the console power that is currently avaiable. so shut your face,the ps3 is the future,the 360 had a year head start and yet all multi games look the same are better on the ps3,so what the hell you think well happened next year and beyond when games like killzone2,god of war 3,uncharted 2,demon lords and every other ps3 exclusives.and thats just the tip of the iceberg.you said sony only hits and never deliver ,...were the hell you've been living man.for all the mistakes sony had in the begin they done a great job taking care of their fans,with every patch sony sends us the ps3 gets better,i paid 632 dollars(including insurance)and the ps3 in my eye's is worth a thousand right now my ps3 does way more than my computer,i don't have explain to you why the ps3 is a better buy and product that the 360 cause deep down you know.some people might talk about price well i can bet that next year when kilzone 2 hits they will drop the price by 100 dollars,and if u compare the 199 xbox 360 to it, Microsoft is f*cking over every xbots has i text, it does not even have hard drive ,no wifi ,less than 20 gigs of memory (pitiful),no hd player i mean for that money i rather buy a wii than have a naked 360 that is all ready a faulty hardware,which eventually u would have to spend more that the cost of the ps3 to get it up to par.it desrectpectful,and it's a no brainier. so don't make it seem like sony is just sittig on their ass doing nothing,because if they were the ps2 would of been cancel has soon as the ps3 came it to play that's not what u can say about Microsoft.(by the way no offense to people who can only afford the 199 360,with this economy i understand just wanted to prove a point peace.(ps escuse my spelling)

[timmyrulz]

i think this guy needs to wait until the current multiplats are on level pegging before making such bold statements!

[demoneyeslaharl]

Its PR talk. Basically, you ignore all the shine it has, and read the whole bit. This article isn't good at pointing out what was being said because it targetted one aspect of it.

Anyone have the link to the whole interview?

[PimpHandHappy]

there lies the problem...you want to think all these games look better on the 360 when in fact if you played them on a PS3 you wouldnt have that thought go through your mind!

you know why timmy

because all these multiplay games still look REALLY REALLY good on the PS3.

I know gamers in general can be very anal and very emotinal but the fact is timmy the games you think look like dog poo really dont

[Nineball2112]

Here ya go:

http://www.videogamer.com/f...

[cliffbo]

show me a game on the xbox 360 that even comes close to littlebigplanet oh you cannot end of discussion.

[PimpHandHappy]

PR ppl are the ones the fanboys look 2 for bullet points

all i know is this

ppl say Fallout looks better on the 360. Well i own a PS3 and i think Fallout looks awesome!

i heard someone say Mirrors Edge looks sharper on the 360. Well i own a PS3 and it looks awesome on my TV

point im making here is this

all the games i hear look better on the 360 still look awesome on my PS3! Im not that anal to where im going to take a screen shot, blow it up, and count the different pixels and stare at shawdows

[LethalToxins]

Fallout 3 does indeed look good, but its ending is horrible.

A little off-topic, but meh.

[Varsarus]

Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Third party developers won't want to dumb down a game on one console version because the other is superior in hardware.

So making them equal will suit both, PS3 games need to be dumbed down even if it is the lead platform so 360 can take a breather.

and about Mirror's edge being sharper on 360? = EDRAM, probably the ONLY advantage the 360 has over the PS3, but deny it all you want, it's useless for HD resolutions.

[Nicolator]

for a game to be started on the ps3 and then ported to the 360 and still not look at good is beyond me.. there is no how.. u can top that.. ya ya ya K2 is taking them 5 years to make trust me.. to say the ps3 is the strongest console .. i really dout that.. now.. just as a memo.. remember ps2.. the first games that came out?.. they were not all that but then a few years later GoW came and it was like wow!.. coz ppl knew how to push the system well.. ok now look at the ps3 and xbox360 u say oh it will take them a few years to master it.. do u think the xbox wont be growing aswell... tut.. so as far as it goes its been 2 years since the ps3 has been out and i still have no solid evidence. Well if i am gonna be waiting every 5 years for a sequel i give up(killzone i am lookin at u). So what else do i do Watch Blu Ray movies?... oh ya that is what u guys do.. true.. true..loool

[Pennywise]

This kind of post is why people snap and tell others to get cancer or something.

Cant you kids stop with the digs? You dont like PS3, we get it. Guess what... PS3 only owners dont like Xbox either. Let it end there. This childish bs is old and boring. You like playing on a 4 year old computer shoved in a shoe box... that is your choice.

Ps3 right now has more games than xbox. FACT. We are watching blurays too inbetween stellar games. Dont be jealous... pop a HDdvd in...

[demoneyeslaharl]

I think Uncharted has the best graphics I have ever seen in any game even till now. And yes... I think its better than MGS4, look-wise.

[Jager]

Killzone 2 DID NOT START development until 2006 (AFTER KZ:L was finished) aka, KZ2 is currently in its 2nd year of development. Halo 2 AND Halo 3 both took 3 years to make. Also, last time i checked, the PS3 wasnt even out for 5 fricken years.

[timmyrulz]

Sorry maybe i was too generalised in my statement, i agree that the differences in multiplatforms are minimal, but what the point i was trying to get across is that we are yet to see ANY multiplatform games where the ps3 version outshines its counterpart to the degree that you can make such a statement as this guy has made without a little chuckle to yourself

[FBl]

Third party developers can maximize and execute their ideas without a single flaw only on Playstation 3

[tk]

In terms of graphics the two are now virtually the same. The one area is the BR space, and PS3 having a HD on all consoles. Ms is trying to come to terms with the new 20GB offer to try and get low cost HD in XB360's. I think the biggest drawback of the XB360 is the lack of HD. If tehy included a HD - a big one - then the whole BR point would be moot except for movies. For XB360 buyers - the best option ist to get a HD model - but still the Arcade diskless version is the single biggest drawback that prevents more content.

[EasilyTheBest]

Its a funny thing all this. When is the PS3 going to blow the 360 out of the water, we are all forever waiting.
The PS3 was suppose to be way more powerfull from day one, remember the demos?
The press were led to believe, it would be the most powerfull system by far, and so were the customers.

What happened!

Could it just be that if its said enough times and enough people believe it, it just must make it true.

Sega Megadrive and the SNES were out at the same time as the NEO GEO.
The NEO GEO was way more expensive and it was hard at the time to program. Funny thing is, every game on the NEO GEO looked way better graphicly than either of the Megadrive or the SNES equivalent.

Funny That!

[hfaze]

"Funny thing is, every game on the NEO GEO looked way better graphicly than either of the Megadrive or the SNES equivalent."

Not to mention the games for the Neo Geo MVS were in excess of $100 each, with VERY limited 3'rd party support.

Your comparison = epic fail.

[InMyOpinion]

They couldn't improve Bioshock even though they got a full year of extra development. Instead they delivered an inferior version. Pretty much says it all. PS3 was the lead platform for Mirrors Edge and look what happened - both versions identical. The PS3 isn't more powerful than the 360, it's just harder to program for because it was designed by baboons.

[dkgshiz]

Multi platform games are always the same. The devs are going to try to keep both versions of the game the same on each console. Your just a moron.

[olivia]

sense you don't have e brain in your head read my comment above bot

[olivia]

by looking at games made exclusively for ps3,can you honestly say the team that made bioshock ps3 put any effort in using the ps3 to it's advantage,anybody with a brain will agree ,i don't think so.and for u to make a stupid comment like that...that guy is right you are a moron.

[creeture]

Uncharted,MGS4,GT5:P,Motorstor mPR,Wipeout HD, 360 still can't match those games

[creeture]

2009 PS3 exclusives are gonna embarass 360 lineup starting with Killzone 2.

[Narutone66]

2008. No need to say which games as PS3 fans already know.

[Shane Kim]

MGS4, LBP and R2 has allready put it to shame.

[ApocalypseShadow]

we have seen 2k's baseball game leave content out to be left as a download.

we will see games like ffxiii leave something out to fit on the disc as microsoft makes devs pay through the nose for extra discs.

we have seen microsoft's own devs like take-10 leave content like tracks out of forza2 because it can't fit on a disc.

and as far as we know,most devs are looking to create the same game across the board to make things equal.

how do we know devs aren't making smaller games so that 360 can keep up?at least until ps3 passes 360 as it will do eventually?

it will happen,has happened already.

apocalypse.............

[Darkseider]

the PS3 will equal if not surpass the XBox 360s installed based by the end of 2009. This is simply due to devs getting more comfortable with the platform. Examples of this are Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, MAG and GT5 for starters. This has been true of all Playstation products since the PS1. Look at games like FF VII on the PS1 vs. Jumping Flash. For the PS2 you have the same examples to go by with GoW 1&2 as well as GT4 towards it's later years. Now with the PS3 you have Killzone 2, WipeoutHD, Heavy Rain and to an extent Resistance 2 with it's huge MP options and co-op. That's just how it has been, is and will be with the PS line of products.

[Zorik4]

PS3 requires more resources to run XMB etc, compared to X360's xbox guide thingy, thus less memory avaliable
The 360's embedded memory on the gpu provides additional savings. On the PS3 the frambuffer and z-buffer come out of the GDDR3 VRAM, whereas the 360 only needs to store the finished frame in main memory.

[Jager]

@ Omega... Um, GG has only 130 employees, and they didnt start work on KZ2 until 2006 (They finished KZ:L in 06). 2nd, GG had to create a game Engine from Scratch. 3rd, KZ 2 is GG's 2nd Console game, and the first one for the PS3.

Epic has 96 Employees. The Unreal Engine 3 is built up from the Unreal Engine 2 (UE3 came out in 2005, GeoW came out a year later).

Now, if u want a better example, Bungie. 120 employees, Halo 2 took 3 years to create, and Halo 3 took 3 years as well. So its fine to bash KZ2 for having a 3 year cycle, yet its ok to ignore Bungies 3 year cycles for the Halos?

[EasilyTheBest]

What are you going on about. The games were expensive on the Neo Geo as they were cartridges packed with chips.
The point is, 2 YEARS on and theres nothing graphic wise on the PS3 that blows the 360 out of the water.
It was suppose to be Xbox 1.5. The PS3 may be harder to program but it was suppose to be that much more powerfull you could see it from day 1.
EG - My NEO GEO Comparison!

I have had both consoles side by side, I have seen the 1st party games and the 3rd party games. Around 50+ UK titles on each.
As far as what I can see with my own eyes they are equal, with the only advantage Sonys PS3 having is with the extra extra space on the BLU RAY discs.
I was expecting way more from Sony. Way way more.

[hfaze]

If the NeoGeo MVS had managed to launch at a reasonable price, with games priced the same as the competition, the 16 bit wars may have had a different outcome. If Sony had launched the PS3 with the games costing $120 each, and only Sony first-party games, it would be dead by now (kinda like the NeoGeo MVS and its short shelf life).

I hear ya on Sony not living up to the insane hype they were spewing at launch, and I'm SOOOO glad they have stopped putting their foot in their mouth (until now, sigh..). The PS3 does have gobs of potential, but it is currently mostly untapped potential.

Now if you personally have a bad taste in your mouth over this, then you are entitled to your opinion.

But you have to admit that Sony consoles ALWAYS start off a bit disappointing (PS1, PS2, PSP, hell even PS3), but things start getting good around the time the second year rolls around. By that time, developers are really starting to know the hardware and how to push it.

And I stand by my comment that to say that the PS3 is like the Neo-Geo of this generation is incorrect.

[GamingGeekPS3360]

having Sony around will make MS make better games and vice-versa....

If most of you own two console...there would not be all this BS....

[Zorik4]

Blaming programmers for poor PS3 game quality is like blaming soldiers for losing a battle after giving them broke/defective weapons to fight with.

[IPlayGames]

Pay the development time to put content of a BR that 360 couldn't fit on a DVD.

Let there be a month or two delay. So what if u can offer meaningful content at the same price ($60) then after buying the same DLC 360 owners would have to play $70 - $80 to play the same game as PS3 owners.

[PotNoodle]

Its in the developers interest to make a matching experience unless there is some contract written up that will benefit them.

Games that are developed with the PS3 in mind only, WipEout HD, MGS4, Uncharted, Resistance 2 ( http://forums.gametrailers.... and you'll see what i mean) they are all amazingly good games, mgs4 being called one of the most technically advanced and impressive games to this date by many credible reviewers that have even been previously biased to any ps3 game.

I have yet to find a game that matches the graphical quality or technical level as MGS4 on any other console, i have too yet to see one with any graphics that come even close to wipeout hd, uncharted and resistance 2.

You can call me a fanboy all you want, i do give games on both systems a try before i do make judgements, i just don't see many 360 games having much depth to them, i mean i sold most of my games during this year for my 360 to buy ps3 ones, now i bought back fable 2, made a new xbox live account and bought a years worth of xbox live and fable 2 - fable 2 was great, i'll see what gears 2 is like.

PSN: DeathroW22
XBL: Death row247

[Raoh]

truth is take critirion and lucas arts and most of EA for that matter who have traditionally lead with the 360 who now see the to get equal results yo need to lead with the ps3.

but thats not lack of 360 support. thats wanting to get ps3 dollars and games to be on par for both systems.

even microsoft knows this. if the games will always run better on the 360 microsoft would not spend money for exclusive dlc as the poor ps3 gmes would kill itself. but as games run equally microsoft is looking for an edge and its doing so in DLC not gameplay or framrate or graphics...

as for mirrors edge, the most common report is that the ps3 looks better slightly in almost all aspects except jaggies where the 360 looks slightly better..

there are still console specific benefits down the road to argue about..

microsoft runs better online play through xbox live.. cant deny it.. not that ps3 doesnt have great online games and experience but microsoft does this better.

sony runs open world, large environments better. sony has less pop ins with gta4 and no frame rate drop with resistance 2 which has tons of enemies on screen. 360 has issues with more enemies on screen. i think this is why valve went with the source engine for left 4 dead.. the source engine is great for gameplay not graphics.. since the source engine is not a graphics wh0re it can handle more enemies on screen.

thats just to show that eventually most third party games are going to be equal only to be separate in the consoles specific weaknesses and strengths....

[AngryTypingGuy]

Sony said 360 third party titles won't be as good in the future compared to the PS3? Wow, I'm SO surprised, I would've thought Sony would've said "if you think third party titles perform better on the 360 now, you ain't seen nothin' yet!". I guess I was wrong.

[elorm9]

Supposedly it'll be 2, that's right, 2 discs for the Xbox and PC. Only one disc on the PS3 thanks to Blu ray. This was mostly due to the large size of the textures. The devs in an interview said they had to compress them to fit DVDs

[AngryTypingGuy]

That's fantastic, but what's your excuse for the 99% that fit on one disc?

[elorm9]

I'm not understanding your question, but all I can say is that this is probably what's gonna occur more and more in the future. You'll have devs complaining about them not being able to fully accomplish their goals on the 360.

MS has strict rules on XBL, and it seems to me that they aren't really giving devs much freedom. Just like how Epic couldn't give out free DLC for Gears 2, or how MS didn't allow them to allow mods to run in the 360 version of UT3. Sony is allowing devs to do pretty much w/e the hell they want to do. Whether it be giving out free DLC, and whatnot. They even allowed Capcom their own section on the PS store which wouldn't have been possible on the marketplace

[xwabbit]

Would be awesome if its true

[demoneyeslaharl]

Hmm... if the source of the interview is true... then we'll see more and more great games in the near future. ^-^ This is awesome.

[Xi]

Last generation xbox games, multiplatform or not, looked better then the ps2 counter-parts from day 1. Developers don't actively hold back the quality of titles, otherwise all pc games would look the same as console counter-parts.

People need to grow up and stop thinking that the ps3 will suddenly start out preforming the 360 by leaps and bounds, it's just not going to happen.

[Raoh]

actually everyone knew the xbox was more powerful.. even ps2 users and developers

but the xbox didnt have the market share to make them want to spend money on games that could be played on the ps2 that they were already used to..

microsoft used this strategy to get ahead this generation

creating a lead

question is what now.. they have to upgrade.. if they do it will either be similar to ps3, so why not lead with the ps3 anyway.. or make it more complicated than the ps3 which will push developers away or.. not upgrade which hurts them in the long run....

yes some games had they been made on the original xbox would have beeb better than the ps2 versions.. but werent made.. the xbox had the online and the hard drive and better graphics card.. but no market share..

the ps2 held the xbox back..

the 360 holds the ps3 back

its common sense.. you perform to the limits of your common denominator

[Stressa]

You my friend have hit the nail right on the head!!!

[Silent]

about time somebody got the balls to say it LOL

[likedamaster]

PS3 fanboys/PRs are rabid. This post is proof.

[Voiceofreason]

The most powerful console should be the lead platform? Since when? LAst gen it was the weakest console that lead. What it amounts to is any excuse to say that Sony should be first. Think about it this way, it will even games out. They will both be limited by the inferior tech in the PS3. What other reason could it be.. Some people like to make claims that they cannot back up and mostly make no sense at all. PS3 is the hardest to program for. By leading on it you simply take longer to make the game. It doesnt solve anything except 360 getting the better version of the game because PS3 obviously cannot run on the same level as it can. Once I would have argued that but it becomes clearer every day that the Cell is just not for gaming, Blue Ray drives are just way too slow, and mandatory 5 gig installs dont seem to help the games as much as Sony wants people to believe.

[jack who]

lol

[ahleung]

And easier development environment

[Stressa]

In 2006, Sony told me the PS3 would blow the 360 out of the water. In 2007, Sony told me it was their year, the PS3 would dominate. In 2008, Sony told me it was their year, it was over for the 360, and by this coming December, they would be the market champs. It was also suggested HOME would come out this Fall and blow LIVE away, LBP would start a social gaming revolution that would redefine gaming, MGS4 would end the 360's lead, and that Sony's "diverse software" would pull away the Wii's audience.

I'm still waiting.

So when Sony spread more fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the competition, really all I see again are my own doubts about the PS3. Instead of trying to make *yet another promise*, why not deliver on the dozens that they still have outstanding? Sony's mouth keeps writing checks that their butt can't cash.

[tatsujin]

PS3 > XBox 360 .... wait, not just that .... add XBox 720 as well.

[MizzRock]

Ps3 owns and anyone who denies that fails.

[Lord Vader]

"that future multi-platform titles from third-parties will be led on PS3 and will have to be downgraded for systems with weaker processors."

Then the PS3 is in big trouble b/c it can't even run games without HDD streaming + data duplication, the 360's GPU + memory is *clearly* more powerful than teh cell.

GAME OVER MR. MAGUIRE

Better stick to investing Tens of Millions into first party games than you can develop for 4 or 5 years =

LMAO !!!

[ambientFLIER]

Sony hints? Hmm, I didn't realize that Sony is a third-party multiplatform developer. More marketing BS to save the failing PS3...

[Xtremist]

Why sony doesn't say the truth to the consumers and stop with the bcrap already?
Xbox360 do have a more advanced GPU better Memory architecture and a clearly more advanced API.
In other words xbox360 is superior to ps3 in everything that matters in modern videogames.

[Xtremist]

I said it in the open zone and i will post it here too.

"Xbox360 do have a more advanced GPU, better Memory Architecture and a clearly more advanced API.
In other words xbox360 is superior to ps3 in everything that matters in modern videogames."

[Neo604]

360 is a nextgen wanna be.

[Kain81]

he speaks about the future not about the present.
I would say Sony send them some new Tools

[shawnsl65]

i'd say they should max out the capability and take advantage of the ps3 resources and then work on the 360 versions. This way both customers on both system would be happy. Maxing both space which both system can hold and maximizing both system resources/ability which shouldn't downgrade neither version.

[THWIP71]

...from talking out of his ASS like that. LOL...what a dumbass. :o

[Firstkn1ghT]

Oh great, that means us 360 owners are going to have to wait forever for games. Delays and patches. Thanks a lot Sony. Remember GTA4? We had to wait an additional 6 months because of the mess that is the ps3.

[SaberEdge]

Here comes Sony again with their arrogance. Seriously Sony, we're sick of the hype and misinformation about your console being the most powerful. (I have both consoles and will gladly give my PSN ID to anybody who asks for it).

The idea that the PS3 is the most powerful console is the biggest lie pulled over on gamers and game journalists this generation. It simply isn't true.

Despite the large number of respected software developers and tech gurus who have come forward and told us specifically why the PS3 is not capable of the performance that Sony has claimed for it and that, in fact, it is actually less powerful than the 360 in most of the ways that matter, many people want to go on believing that the PS3 is some untapped technological powerhouse.

Sony think that if they repeat it often enough and if they can get their legions of followers to echo it, that they can convince everybody that it's true. But the truth is, the PS3 is slightly less powerful than the 360, not the other way around.

Every empirical fact we have confirms this. From the comments of respected 3rd party software developers, to the games themselves. The fact is, from a graphical performance standpoint, there is not a single game on the PS3 that surpasses what has been accomplished on the 360 with games like Gears of War 1 & 2 and Mass Effect. I know that diehard fans of the PS3 are constantly claiming otherwise, but the claims don't hold up under analysis. Furthermore, most multi-platform games look and/or perform better on the 360 than on the PS3. Even some cross-platform games that were developed on the PS3 as lead platform end up looking better on the 360.

Mirror's Edge is a pertinent recent example. The game is basically identical on both platforms, but the 360 is superior in two ways:
1. It has confirmed 2xAA, while the PS3 version lacks anti-aliasing.
2. The 360 version has fewer instances of screen tearing.

Now, I know there are people on this very thread claiming that the two versions are "identical" or even that the PS3 version is better. But quite frankly those people are either blinded by fanboyism or they are literally blind. There are no unique technical features on the PS3 side that would lead one to such a conclusion. The textures are the same and the overall color balance and saturation is amazingly similar between both versions (as you can see in the screenshots below). Besides, color differences for the most part are not a technical performance issue, they are an artistic design issue. The two areas I listed above, however, ARE measures of technical performance. Most importantly, though, is the fact that these differences have been documented. The differences in anti-aliasing has been confirmed by several different sources and can easily be seen by anyone who compares both versions on an HDTV.

Here are two posts from beyond3d confirming the difference in anti-aliasing between both versions.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Here are the two comparison shots found in first link showing the differences in anti-aliasing:
360: http://img125.imageshack.us...
PS3: http://img82.imageshack.us/...

Here is another link showing comparison shots:
http://www.eurogamer.pt/gal...

The better anti-aliasing of the 360 version can be seen in all of these shots, but keep in mind that aliasing is more visible (as edge shimmering) when a game is in motion, since it is the crawling motion of the "jaggies" that distracts our eyes, more than just them being there.

The screen tearing factor is likewise backed up by solid evidence. Digital Foundry analyzed both versions using the Digital Foundry Frame Analyzer and found that the PS3 version had significantly more torn frames than the 360 version.
http://insidethedigitalfoun...
"A quick analysis of the demo reveals that in common with most UE3 titles, Xbox 360 still holds the technical edge, but PS3 manages to hold its own. Both PS3 and 360 versions have their fair share of 'jaggies', but the overall experience is a little smoother on the Microsoft console, thanks to the inclusion of selective 2x multisampling anti-aliasing (MSAA). Bearing in mind some of the UE3 disappointments on PS3 - BioShock, Area 51 etc - it's remarkable that the PS3 version is as close as it is in what is clearly a cutting edge game. According to the Digital Foundry frame analyser, both games operate at 30fps, but in the sample of 10,875 frames (around 3 minutes of like-for-like video), only 178 frames were torn in the 360 version - a paltry 1.6%.
The PS3 version is more difficult to analyse as the vast majority of the torn frames are restricted to the first couple of lines of resolution - basically imperceptible to the human eye, most likely hidden in the overscan area of your HDTV, and therefore shouldn't be included in the analysis. So adjusting the detector to disregard those, the figure rises to 3.8%."

Clearly both versions look and run great, but there is no denying that the 360 version holds the edge in terms of technical performance.
This kind of shoots holes in the oft-repeated claim that cross-platform titles that lead their development on the PS3 will show equal performance on both consoles. It seems that even when PS3 is lead development platform some games still end up looking better on the Xbox 360.

I think Sony should tone down their rhetoric in light of the past two years of facts.

[die_fiend]

I think he means downgrades for 360 as in the games will need 2 be downgraded on the 360 so they'll work the same on the PS3. How many multiplatform games are inferior on PS3? Most you'll find. If it's really so powerful where are the mindblowingly sweet graphics? That should be cacking on the 360 from a height? It looks like Gears 2 will be the best graphics on a console (the first is still up there) and other than MGS4, y can't the PS3 produce these amazing games? It's getting old claiming that's it's more powerful, when after 2 years, games like Fallout3 on the PS3 are 'shockingly inferior' according to gamespot compared. More like the PS3 is powerful but no1 knows how. And by the time they figure out how it's much more powerful, there will be new consoles which will smash it while Sony work on their 'much more powerful than the 720' PS4 which will arrive late again and not actually do anything that is better. My mate who has a PS3 is actually shocked at how inferior it is and feels ripped off (which I would if I had paid £300 for a console that has only a couple of games worth playing over a £130 one)

[Condemnedman]

Wait until LBP lol

[atomdooze]

Look who is sayin this. Its like askin O.J. if hes innocent. of course hes gonna say he is but we all know better. The ps3 just isnt powerful enough to make that much a diff. in games not to the naked eye anyway.
Hell he might as well have said that sales for the ps3 is going to surpass the Wii in 09 while he was at shoveling that bs.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Here's why people keep thinking that PS3 has more exclusives than MS.

Sony likes to announce exclusives that are at least two fiscal years away, while Microsoft likes to announce exclusives that are usually just a fiscal year away.