All Grand Theft Auto maps in one game? GTA5 maybe ?

Matt Stanyon reports 'I've just had a progress report sent over from Keith, the lead developer of the major modification for Vice City and San Andreas, this mod is called GTA: Sate of Liberty and it basically brings all of the islands including Liberty City, Vice City and San Andreas together and makes them....'

[HighDefinition]

I can tell you one thing, it`ll be a PS3 exclusive. You NEED Bluray to do that.

Since "Sandbox" games have to be on 1 disc only.

[thor]

Not necessarily. They could make you swap disks when you change areas. I mean, MGS4 had no problem making me install the game EVERY TIME I WANTED TO PLAY because my brother was on a different act. It also had NO option to install 2 acts (or even 5) at the same time.

[THC CELL]

x box better come up with a Xbox CD changer cause if u think i am swopping 5 CDs they have another thing coming

Hell with it this should prove Blue ray is needed

[shine1396]

erm...I would say this is only a mod but didn't counter strike start off as a mod?

[HighDefinition]

Not possible.....

Say your in a car chase, if you change disks when you change citys all the data that was streaming from the first disk would be lost(like the police chasing you for example). It just can`t happen, it`s a FACT w/o what I mentioned happening.

BTW, MGS4 isn`t a "sandbox" game. it`s a very open linear expierence, therefore it would have no problems being on multiple disks.

[thor]

Yes but my comment was that game developers aren't going to think of how convenient it is swapping disks/loading/installing in between a car chase. The cars in the chase could be stored in main memory and then the world is streamed from the next disk when you put it in (some data would have to be on both disks, such as the area in the transition). It could be done, and MGS4 is proof that developers don't always consider the convenience of it.

I remember not playing MGS4 because I couldn't be bothered to sit through an install, and then my brother when he played would have to sit through an install again. It was a pain and an error on the developers' part to not include an "install all" option.

[Shroomy]

PC games while smaller in GB are usually larger in content, ironically.

[LastDance]

Thor...that would be annoying man! I wanted to show my girlfriend a cutscene in act 2 and 4....god i had to install act two then re install act 4 again. I wish ther was an option to just intall the lot.

[AAACE5]

Something as great an idea as this. And all you can do is find a way to defend your beloved Ps3... F***in pathetic! What about the fact that something like this could be the GTA: World rumor that we were hearing and could provide endless hours of exciting gameplay?

Well whatever, the blu-ray disc would be a prime candidate for something like this! I know that sounds hypocritical, but I had to point out how sad fanboys are nowadays!

@Shine... Heavy Rain started out as a tech demo, and is now becoming a game... so it is possible!

[sumfood4u]

Wahoo just got 100% on Ratchet & Clank TOD! no its off the subject just excited. lol!

[ChickeyCantor]

"was streaming from the first disk would be lost(like the police chasing you for example). It just can`t happen, it`s a FACT w/o what I mentioned happening.
"

Actually loads of stuff is downloaded into the Ram.
This is possible. It just depends on how your engine works.
Developers always have their own tricks and what not to make something work. Remember Software can do anything as long the mind behind it is a genious =P.

Anyway ramble on.

[HighDefinition]

I can`t think of ONE game that has ever done that, not on PC.

For thinking your so intellegent your actually quite rude.

[ChickeyCantor]

In what way am i rude?

Programmers need to find solutions to make certain things work.
In what way did i offend anyone?

You admit it is possible yet I am saying something wrong wtf?
I didnt think i'm intelligent with that post. For what reason do you have the need to bash me?

[ChickeyCantor]

Btw a Cop chasing you is not streamed from the Disc, its not a
static Event. A cop chasing you is mostlikely written into the RAM.

[thor]

Everything is in RAM. Everything.
Something on the disk has to be pulled into ram (loaded, that's what loading IS) in order for it to be used in the game. Otherwise you can't
see it
collide with it
interact with it.

Streaming is just loading whilst you are playing the game. It's loading assets from the disk into RAM as you are playing. So if you start walking in the direction of an area that's not yet loaded into RAM, the game will load that area. That's all streaming is. And there's no reason that when you started walking into an area that wasn't on the current disk, the game couldn't ask you to insert another disk, and then proceed to load that area from that disk. There could be an overlapping region to prevent you having to swap disks each time you crossed an invisible line between disks.

[ChickeyCantor]

Thats pretty much what i said...

They could pretty much give you a short grey screen saying : insert disc (insert number) while the ingame render in the background froze.
Once the disc is in the drive the game will continue streaming all the other content of the islands/lands.

I was just replying to HD that it isnt impossible.

[HighDefinition]

Can u provide a example of this?

a game not on PC that has done this?

BTW: "Anyway ramble on" is extremly rude.

[thor]

I can't think of an example off-hand, I think devs in the past have not wanted to be that annoying. If they are limited by the hardware, however, such as requiring an install for each act in MGS4, they are perfectly capable of irritating us as I already explained.

But I'll ask you to consider - what would happen if in GTA4 they deleted an entire section of the map off the disk (except for the low level of detail models)? Nothing would happen until you went to (or near) that area. At which point it would crash. Now delete the rest of the map (save for an overlapping region, would have to be quite large because of the draw distances), and the same thing would happen OUTSIDE that area. Put in a "change disk" screen between areas and lo and behold you have a map with 2 disks for 2 areas that you need to change disk for.

[HighDefinition]

IS Sam Houser speaking about GTAIV for PS3 and 360. He said, DVD9 caused a problem because of the size restriction compared to BR.

So.....That`s why I`m saying what I`m saying.

[ChickeyCantor]

Its simple, you say removing the Disc will remove the events.
just play a normal game, any game. Take out the disc and it will freeze and say please insert Game disc. Game will continue.
According to your logic all Data should be lost, but thats not true since its being loaded into the Ram.

So basically the game could ask you to remove the Disc insert the requested disk and continue.

The reason R* had problems is because they wanted to fit everything onto one disc.
If they wanted to use multiple discs there wouldnt be a problem, just a bit more programming, unless the engine already supports Disc swapping.
Size restriction got nothing to do with the fact its "possible", thats what Multiple Discs are for...

Edit:
Ramble on wasn't meant to you only, i was refering to the DVD vs B-ray discussion. You just took it offensive.

Edit:Edit:
But i think it won't do well from a designers standpoint.
I mean getting chased, changing disk, trying to outsmart the cops riding back into the different map basically meant you have to swap everytime you crossed the line.

[HighDefinition]

We basically agree. Even if it could be done you wouldn`t want to. Took a few Hrs, but hey.....

Bubble.

[ChickeyCantor]

yeah in some way we do =P.
Thnx for the bubble =).

[HighDefinition]

All I gotta say to that is.

LOL, you are a angry person.

I like talking to Sidar more, you get no more of my time.

[silvacrest]

that i reported dan-boy as being offensive to high definition

the comments made were so offensive for some one you've never meet and i think i can speak for every one when i say im glade you've stayed away from this site, lets hope that continues

[LastDance]

Dan boy, youve been reported. I hope they ban you

[THC CELL]

if this is True then who says blue ray is not Needed

This will be 100% ps3 exclusive

How do u like them apples PP

[Man_of_the_year]

With the new Xbox dashboard you will be able to save all the disks on your HDD and then just stream off the HDD so i guess that could solve the problem...unless you have a 360 that isn't hooked up to the internet to DL the new dashboard

[BLuKhaos]

I'm thinking he's eyeballing another company's apples at the moment.

[alakazzam]

and not every xbox has a HDD

[militant07]

i dont like GTA games i just enjoied playing San Andress cuse of Jets,
i prefer RPGs/Sims/Action Adven.

[poopsack]

that would be pretty epic.

[Stryfeno2]

That will be dumb because the game might take 500+ hours to complete.

[fafoon]

Did You just realize it wont be possible on the Xbox
Nevermind

[BLuKhaos]

the majority of people that play GTA don't finish it anyways

[cemelc]

Are you kidding me, a 500 hundred hour game, thats my dream come true

[Delive]

I think I have grown tired of GTA. It needs a fresh start, not just the same stuff, only BIGGER and MORE of it.

[Mr PS3]

And Obviously with Graphics to match or better GTA4
Think about that !!!
And anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize
It Would Be a PS3 Exclusive !!!
Fact
Poor BoTs
They only have DLC to look forward too !!!!

Ha Ha
Once again
The BoTs Smoke the Big un

[BLuKhaos]

I hope that instead of making them islands,they make countrysides and highways leading to each city.

[KBDuB]

Why? Then it gives that much more of a reason to allow jets or planes into the game..

[Man_of_the_year]

Well with the new xbox dashboard you can download and save multiple disks on the HDD - that way it will all stream together...however if you are not hooked up to the internet...then i guess you would be screwed since the dashboard update will only be available for download unless you go buy a new model that has the new dashboard already set up..

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Microsoft doesn't go into every store updating their XBOX 360s that's just pointless. If you're talking about music CDs it isn't the same as DVDs? The only way for XBOX 360 players to experience this would be by download through the Marketplace. Otherwise say goodbye to this game because the XBOX 360 wasn't made to stream as good as the PlayStation 3. The PlayStation 3 has to fight through 50GB of data so their architecture is very different from the XBOx 360's.

Infamous is an exclusive game because of the Blu-ray disc if what you said was true it would on the XBOX 360. Now PlayStation 3 owners will have Prototype and Infamous to choose from while XBOX 360 owners are stuck with Prototype. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is impossible to be played on the XBOX 360 according to the Developers.

[Man_of_the_year]

Actually i read an article in N4G that the new Arcade models will already have the new dashboard and options included into it...it just is not going to be released until the actual update is released so please use some common sense here. Ofcourse MS is going to implement the new dash in new consoles when the dash is released...also if LO which has 4 discs can be stored onto the HDD and the 360 just run the whole game off of it then what is stopping it from doing the same thing for the new GTA V game if it came on 2 or 3 DVD9's...Sorry bro but your comment just seems like you were too quick to respond rather than read the point i had made and think open-minded about the possibilities that are available.

[MRMagoo123]

Whats the point in the new arcade having the option to install complete games when they have no space to put them on i dont see how that would work .ms are gonna be stuck doing things how they have been till they know that at least 90 or so percent of 360 owners have got a hard drive big enough which they dont

[Man_of_the_year]

well i have 120 gigs so there is no prob with me...also 20 (12 actually) is enough as long as you ensure that you delete things off your HDD. Also MS have now released the new 60 gig model as well as lowered the price of the 120 gig..however its still WAY over priced IMO. But the point is...it can be done so there is no reason to assume that GTA V will only be on the PS3 due to lack of space on a single DVD9 - they can just make it multi-disc and then have the user store it on the HDD...now the question is with Rockstar...would they be willing to do it to reap the extra income from both platforms or would they settle for just doing it for the PS3 since it would only take 1 disc...time will tell.

[fafoon]

Kinda goes together like other famous combo's like
Beans on toast
or
Metal Gear and the Playstation
or
Red hot Swimsuit and Pamela anderson

[UltimateIdiot911]

Bubble for you, the Baywatch reference made me laugh.

[Hellsvacancy]

Gta in the future, it could b like Back To The Future meets The Fifth Element, most games thses days r takin that leap in2 the future

[rebirthofcaos]

well looks like another ps3 exclusive XD the 360 could not handle that much info

[gersh]

Vice city!!! Ps3 exclsuive?
If this turns out to be a PS3 exclusive though, you know how many will TRY to hate the game?

[josh3rdegree]

alot of people

[SSCOOLCHEA]

was my last I will never spend a dime on a GTA game anymore . I spend about 6 hours total on all four games. I always get into the hype that the game might changed. Does anyone care about the DLC or this game anymore .I trade mind in after a week . The game is good for some but for me its lame and the good people gave it a 10 ..lame

[cemelc]

Was a trojan horse, i was expecting everything that the other gta had, the gang fights, buying locals for shady bussines, controling the zones and in the end nothing.

San Andrea was a much better GTA than the last one

[Charmers]

Ok I am a bit confused here why is the comment section for this story full of "oh it needs blu-ray", "oh the 360 can handle this" ? This is a story about a MOD for the PC version of the game. It will never see light of day on EITHER of the consoles.

It is an interesting idea to amalgamate the three GTA games but really I think modders should be turning their attentions to the up and coming GTA 4. However I will of course check this mod out when it comes out.

[LinuxGuru]

I guaranfukintee that you will need blu-ray to pull off something like this.

Sorry DVD, a game like that would render you insufficient and obsolete.

That is, unless you want horribly toned down textures and crappy compressed sound to maybe fit it on 3 or 4 disks.

[josh3rdegree]

but i dont think its gta5 i hope it is but who knows

[ptmidos]

I want a remake for San Andreas.

[AnttiApina]

GTA 5? NO! It's a MOD not a game! And i DON'T believe that it will come to consoles.

[Arsenic13]

Yup i agree. People here are jumping to conclusions.

[big shadow]

that would be so awesome. a buy for me definitely

[Arsenic13]

Isnt this a pc mod? Why are consoles being mentioned?

[ionisdialos]

Please Rockstar....

New San Andreas Playstation 3 exclusive....
think of the cash for you guys!!!!
cause im thinking of the orgasm for gamers like me!!!!!!

[IaMs12]

About that fight up there ^^^ with THOR and HD, id like to add if you play a game on the PS2 and take the disc out you can still play the game until you need to load something which then it freezes...