Konami's Q1 earnings report released. MGS4 shipped 3.94m as of June 30, 2008

Genre/Category (units in million)

Soccer 0.95
Baseball 0.36
TV Animated 0.3
Music 0.33
Metal Gear 3.94
Other 1.05
Total 6.94

Consolidated Financial Results for the First Quarter Ended June 30, 2008

(Millions of Yen, except per share data)

Net Revenues 70,805 (+16.7%)

Operating Income 11,611 (+65.6%)

Net Income 5,664 (+46.6%)

-"Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots" shipped over 3 million units worldwide.

-MGS Series had accounted for cumulative sales of more than 25 million units worldwide as of the end of June 2008.

- The METAL GEAR SOLID brand has continued to maintain its dynamic potential. Sales are still steadily increasing

FY2009 Q1

Unit Sales Platform Mix

Consoles

PS3 57.3 %

PS2 11.5 %

Wii 9.9 %

360 2.6 %

Handhelds

PSP 9.5 %

NDS 7.6 %

PC&Others

1.6%

Unit sales of video game software (Unit sales breakdown )

Geographic Areas (units in million)

Japan 1.93

North America 2.59

Europa 2.3

Asia 0.12

Total 6.94

[Le-mo]

Great games deserves great sales.

[Superfragilistic]

Totally agree and MGS4 deserves all the sales it gets, but you do realise they aren't retail sales above don't you?

[cahill]

there is no doubt there

3.94m shipped in June
ATLEAST 3m sold

Realistically 3.5m sold in June since it was hard to find a copy of mgs4 in june in any retail store across the world

@gaffyth
VGfake has that number at the end of July.
Konami might have shipped another 1m-1.5 copies of mgs4 in July

so expect a sales of atleast 4m copies of mgs4 at the end of july.
also those are shipped numbers at the end of june. But sales ratio in June could be as high as 90% since it was hard to find a copy of mgs4 in June

[gaffyh]

Just thought I'd say that VGChartz is estimating sales of 2.69m sales on this game. Over 1 million less than what Konami stated lol, I guess that shows how crap VGChartz is.

http://vgchartz.com/games/g...

[Superfragilistic]

As cahill points out they're shipped numbers and hence incomparable to VGChartz estimated retail sales.

But yes the VGChartz numbers are low and one would think the real retail figure is above 3m.

As for your statement:

"Over 1 million less than what Konami stated lol, I guess that shows how crap VGChartz is."

All it really shows is your failure to understand simple financial terminology. Shipped vs Retail sales are very different beasts. Read my explanation down lower and you might understand VGChartz better. ;)

[gaffyh]

@superfragilistic - I know the difference between shipped and retail, I only posted those numbers because they were far too low for retail numbers if 3.94m copies of the game have been shipped.

It might help if you had a bit of common sense, instead of patronising everyone just because you don't understand what they posted.

[orakga]

Actually, the numbers make perfect sense (4 mill shipped vs. 3 mill sold-through) based on the average industry returns rate AND considering the time-lag between shipment and sales.

Most entertainment-based industries maintain a return reserve of 20% (I hope you're familiar with this term). So, based on Konami's numbers, one can expect that 3.2 million units will EVENTUALLY sell-through, and that the rest will either come back to Konami as unsold products, or just rot on the shelves.

Note that I said "will EVENTUALLY sell 3.2 million units". So VGChartz' estimate is actually quite accurate.

[Superfragilistic]

Well you better get your nose checked out! lol

Just because I hold an opinion about financial estimates that happens to be different to yours, does not colour me that which you claim. In fact it has nothing to do with the awesome MGS4 and all to do with finance, so if you want to edit your post and call me a finance fanboy that's fine by me! ;)

At least I went to the effort of explaining my position as opposed to your primal name calling! lol

[solidt12]

I am so glad that this game is doing great. I love the whole MGS series. Just give us trophies now so we can play though the game again and again.

[eagle21]

NPD doesn't report bundles sold as software sold. Anita Frazier just stated this in her NPD report for June. She estimated USA/CANADA MGS4 game sold well over 1 million including bundles.

On a side note, it only takes 10 weeks selling (give or take) 100k worldwide per week = 1,000,000. Couple that with Christmas Nov./Dec. easily another 1,000,000 worldwide. MGS4 will be at 6 million easy by years end.

[B-Rein]

Yep it toattaly deservas grate sales, (never played the other mgs games this is my first mgs game ive played) MGS4 is jus one of the best game si ever played and one of the best gaming experiances i ever had, god i cant belive some ps3 owners still dont have this game, lol you are truly missin out on summin that big

[shazam]

no i mean all of your posts everywhere in all stories on this site.

your posts are either damage control like in the john carmack lack of disk space article or they are trying to spin things so that the good ps3 news seems less significant.

you have got to be one of the biggest closet fanboys on this site. at least POGins and thoughNAME and MART and Silogon are upfront and in your face about their love for microsoft.

you try to hide it even though its so easy to see. imo you are worse than those stated above.

[Shane Kim]

B-Rain, if you have a PS2 or a 80/60GB PS3 get MGS 1-3. They are soooo good.

[Superfragilistic]

Well in that case forget your nose and get your eyes checked... or maybe take off those rose tinted glasses. lol

It's all relative mate. You're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine, but I can assure you I'm not what you assert, and indeed go back to the Carmack article and instead of colouring a statement as "damage control", watch the interview and then look at the sh!t I give MS for their DVD licensing and compression. ;)

I'm impartial to branding and enjoy not only the current consoles, but many older ones (Gamecube, PS2 and N64 in particular). The only thing I despise are that which you name, whether its an MS PoG or a Sony DarkSniper, they've destroyed large parts of this otherwise useful site. Feel free to check my bio, but enough with name calling. :)

[DaTruth]

Ya, I hate fanboys, but Darksniper and Zhuk made me Lmao everyday. Just something about that firstperson, commercial sound to their comments.

[Skadoosh]

3.94 million shipped as of JUNE! Since we have about 5 weeks since than and Europe is at 700k and Asian is at 300k and Bangladesh is at 200k than that equals to...

...MGS4 hitting 14 MILLION SOLD! No doubt about that.

[cahill]

so it might have shipped another million by July 2008

so around 5m shipped at the end of July

around 4m -4.5m sold at the end of July

BTW***this goes to show how CRAP those CRAPCHARTZ numbers are which are posted every week FORCIBLY at n4g

[Truplaya]

if you hate fake numbers being posted why are you guessing MGS4 sales?

[Superfragilistic]

They're shipped figures. So any comparison between such and estimated retail sales such as those by VGChartz and NPD is useless.

[cahill]

It was 3.94m shipped at the end of June so you could be having around 3.5m sold to customers

It could be another million/1.5m shipped in July so sales of atleast 500k -1m in July

total of 4m -4.5m at the end of july

since the game is MGS4 the sales ratio would be atleast as high a 70-80% meaning 3.5m sold atleast by the end of july

FAKE numbers are just FAKE

Vgfake is nothing but nuisance
You and your other vgfake members like Cyrus (the source), Paul war , Super ---just leave n4g

@super
3.94m shipped at the end of June meaning atleast 3.5m sold in JUNE. It was hard to find a copy of mgs4 in JUNE. add another 500k -1m worldwide for July

so easily 4m -4.5m at the end of july
dont compare VGfake with NPD.

Vgfake numbers are just guesstimates . NPD tracks 60% of retail sales in US/Canada

[Superfragilistic]

You accuse VGChartz of fake numbers and yet proceed to pull such straight out of your behind! lol

You clearly don't understand what financial estimates are, but in layman terms they are estimates based on financial models and algorithms, of which a survey sample of retail sales is a required variable. Eg Sales = A x B x sample x D... etc

The difference between VGChartz and NPD, and the reason VGChartz tends to be less accurate is because it only uses a survey sample of 5% of North American retailers as opposed to NPD's 60% sample. But don't be confused to think NPD is fact, it's not. Rather it's a far better estimation of retail sales in North America by virtue of it's far better sample size.

The other reason VGChartz tends to be further off with projections is because it places heavier emphasis on other variables such as Google searches, web traffic, and just like yourself, shipping data! Given the bias of its model towards Internet data, it tends to weigh whichever way the wind is blowing. And given the 360's larger install base in the richest source of Internet traffic (North America), it's reasonable to assume that the model unfairly inflates 360 sales, and deflates PS3 sales as a result.

On a final note, whilst projections are one thing, historical data is another. And what you'll find is that whilst VGChartz have wild projections, their historical estimations are very similar to NPD's. The reason? Because their historical model includes NPD's data. Eg Sales = A x B x VG sample x NPD estimates x E... etc

I suggest next time you disagree with someone, you use your intellect rather than a crude mouth. ;)

[orakga]

I think you guys don't understand how companies ship their products, or how the sales process works. You CANNOT assume that MGS4 shipped 1.5 million more units (or even just 1 million) in July UNLESS MGS4 was sold out everywhere (and it wasn't).

Publishers SHIP to distributors. They ship enough to cover about 60-90 days worth of sales (based on what they together estimate will sell through). And unless that stock gets depleted (or nearly depleted), the distributor DOES NOT BUY MORE.

I don't understand why some of your guys think Super is an XBox fanboy when his message is purely about the accuracy (AND non-accuracy therein) of VGChartz data, and how those numbers relate to the NPD and Konami numbers.

These numbers ALL make sense, and if you accuse VGChartz' data being off the mark purely based on Konami's shipment numbers, you are using the wrong rationale to reach a conclusion (which may or may not be true, mind you).

The way I see it, NPD's numbers only represent 60% of the US retail market, which is only about 40% of all US sales. Which, is actually only about 20% of global sales. Yes, VGChartz' numbers are not perfect (and nobody's is; please realize this), but at least they don't confine their reference data to one market and one datapoint like NPD.

I'm not defending VGChartz here. I'm simply fighting against people drawing conclusions with flawed logic (caused by ... sorry guys... ignorance to what these numbers actually mean).

[Superfragilistic]

It's alright mate. Clearly none of these people make a living out of such data, as I do, Wall Street does and I suspect yourself. Your understanding of return reserve and the relationship between publishers and distributors are sound. Bubbles for the explanations. :)

It also turns out the title is incorrect and that MGS4 did not ship 3.94m copies, but rather the "Metal Gear" series did as indicated by Konami's own financial tables in the linked document. That would include the re-release of other MGS titles, MGS4 and the PSP title. As Konami noted "Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots shipped over 3 million units worldwide". As a result ALL the numbers make even more sense and correlate well. :)

[orakga]

Used work for an Anime publisher in NY, and now I work for a Videogame publisher on the West Coast; the two industries are practically indentical from a business perspective, actually. So, yeah... I'm not too close to Wall Street, and not too close to retail either. And yes, I "get paid" to deal with numbers, and I don't need to speculate when it comes to these things; the facts stare right at my face on a daily basis.

I write mostly to make sure misinformation doesn't spread too far. Because it's scary how far people will take one piece of news and turn it into a something else, all the while accusing others of being fanboys, simply for correcting them... but I guess you know the drill already.

Kudos to you though. I don't know how someone can keep a Wall Street job and find enough time to play videogames; my friends surely can't.

lol /threadhijack

edit: wait I misread your post. you didn't actually mean you work on Wall Street, in which case I'm happy for you. lol

[cahill]

MGS4 shipped 3.94m as of " June 30, 2008" -------------Notice JUNE
so it might have shipped another million by July 2008

so around 5m shipped at the end of July

around 4m -4.5m sold at the end of July

BTW***this goes to show how CRAP those CRAPCHARTZ numbers are which are posted every week FORCIBLY at n4g

[chaosatom]

He was saying that MGS4 was selling poorly after the 3 week or something. LOL.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

MGS4 ONLY ON AND ONLY POSSIBLE ON THE...
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[B-Rein]

yes ken ONLY on ps3 it has even been confirmed in e3 08 that its ONLY POSSIBLE ON PS3
MGS4 FTW one of teh best games i ever played

lol funny how xbots want this games, when any little rumors come on and say "it gonna be on 360" they start to love the game and want it like crazy and try their best to get it on 360 but when the confirmation comes and says "its only on ps3 sorry" they satart sayin the game is crap and say "owh i dont want no MOVIE on my 360" hahah assoles they really do like the game and want it JELOUSE!!!! hahah

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Yeah the xBot Lemmings have been searching the whole internet for a bad MGS4 Reveiw, but can't find one!!! ;-D

[Omega4]

Not bad for a PS3 game, but considering Halo 3 sold 5.2ml in just 2 weeks without much sales from Japan it kinda takes away the impressiveness.

But considering the low PS3 attach rate, like i said before its not bad

[cahill]

please dont worry there
mgs4 has Super long legs. The game will keep selling for quite some time

not bad for a ps3 game?
almost all multiplat games sell more on ps3 based on european sales

[Superfragilistic]

I agree MGS4 has long legs, but NPD associate SimExchange is tracking lifetime sales at 4.64m with a monthly high at 5.21m.

http://www.thesimexchange.c...

Personally I think 8m is beyond reach and 5-6m would be a tremendous success for Konami, and be consistent with all previous Metal Gear sales.

[poopsack]

Halo 3 is the most overhyped and advertised game ever, compared to the small advertisement of MGS4 well it does seem very impressive. you really think halo 3 wouldve sold that much without having a commercial every 2 minutes? Soda cans? billboards? commercials in movies? being bundled worldwide?

[orakga]

1) Halo 3 would NOT have sold as much without the marketing, but then again much of its revenue was absorbed by that marketing, so from a profit/ROI standpoint, you can't assume Halo 3 made more money than MGS4. It DID, however ensure an extremely large online community and that more people bought 360s, so I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad thing. Plus I liked seeing Halo 3 trailers at the theaters. It made my pee pee tingle.

2) The current version of MGS4 will probably do around 6 mill AT BEST. Logic? MGS4's lifespan is, at the longest, until next June. And by then we should see about 25 million PS3s sold through. However, unlike like Halo 3, MGS4 is more demanding as a game, so it won't have a 50% conversion rate like Halo 3 did (meaning, half the people with 360s bought Halo 3). Its conversion rate is closer to 20-25%, so by that estimate, we're looking at about 6 million units being sold.

[solidt12]

Yeah but there is a chance that this game could sell at least 6-7 million by the end of the year which would be great. It's still selling great on a week to week basis not even including bundles.

[B-Rein]

lol mgs isnt ps3s biggest exclusive like halo is to 360 lol thers bigger ones coming so thats no comparison

and halo did have alot of advertisments comaperd to mgs and i mean lods Halo 3 was advertised every where and any where

[Le-mo]

You also have to consider the amount of marketing Halo 3 received. If MGS 4 was well marketed then I can see it hitting the 6 million mark.

[Omega4]

Im from the UK and i saw more MGS4 tv ads than i did Halo 3, but im sure its quite different in the US

Also MGS4 was bundled with the best PS3 model on the market so a lot of its sales werent intentional as the game was just a bonus to some people. The same could be said with the gunmetal grey PS3 but thats less likely since it is a metal gear design (also im not 100% sure if the game was actually bundled with it to). While Halo 3 on the other hand was just a standalone game

[cahill]

Halo 3 was also bundled worldwide. there was a green halo3 bundle which was released with Halo3's release. there were around 500,000 of them initially in US/eu markets . However there were 200k mgs4 ps3 bundles worldwide in june 2008

Halo 3 wasnt a standalone game. In fact it had a GREEN SPECIAL HALO3 edition of x360 being bundled with it and there were 500k of them at launch!!! The sales of the halo 3 bundle wasnt as spectacular as mgs4 ps3 bundle. It was sold at a discounted price at FS/BB/EBgames at the end of 2008

@omega

There is no need to trust
OK
I am living in north america

http://www.play-gadgets.com...

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee...

http://www.slashgear.com/ga...

can someone please report this Kid --Omega's comments

[Omega4]

Halo 3 wasnt bundled WW trust me, i remember loads of people complaining when MS released the Green Halo 3 console and not bundling the game with it.

Unlike Sony, MS want to make the most money they can so they made sure everyone brought the game seperatly while Sony wanted to boost potentially low sales by bundling it with their best SKU

@ Cahills additional added bullsh*t

Thats just a console fool not a console bundled with a game....are you seriously that blind. And why report me for telling the truth. MGS4 had an offical bundle Halo 3 did not end of story!

Oh and one more thing HOW DID YOU GET 3 AGREES FOR LYING!!!

[DaKid]

and come back down. I have the halo edition 360, and I don't remember it coming with the game. if it did I am going to be pissed because I wasted $60 and got it twice. ;)

[alakazzam]

@ omega. i live in the uk and i never saw one MGS4 add.

[Nemo88]

Fact that MS wants to make money so bad is why they made 360 with noisy dvd drive, fans, cheapo plastic case, overheating failures, an actual disc tray. It might have been better if they actually cared about quality hardware. But hey it plays gears and its cheap right?!

All companies want to make money its just that some are a little bit committed to their rep/customers and *how* they make money, rather than charge you for everything and anything conceivable ie. avatar hairstyles and gamerpics, hd's etc. etc.

[SabreMan]

I am from the UK and i'm another one who has never seen a MGS4 advert on tv, i witnessed plenty of Halo3 adverts last year mind you.
You are right about one thing the Limited Edition Halo3 360 didn't come with a copy of the game that you got half price(£19.99)if you bought the limited edition console.
However nearly every 360 bundle included Halo3 and did so for several months so i'm not sure why you are commenting on the MGS4 bundles making out they account for the vast majority of sales, saying if Sony didn't bundle the game with the ps3 it would only see small sales in blinkered,ignorant and plain stupid.

MGS4 deserves all the sales it's getting as it's one of the best console games of recent years to put it in a nutshell it's "stunning" and has raised the bar much like Unchartered did last year.

A job well done i think and for the record i own Halo3 and MGS4

[Le-mo]

Are you on a crusade to destroy VGchartz or something?

[cahill]

It is banned across all gaming forums except here
their NUISANCE numbers get posted every now and then at n4g despite people's relentless rant

[Vojkan]

just one more proof why Vgcrap should be banned from N4g. NO SITE takes VGCRAP seriously, did you ever heard or read any journalist using those numbers as information? Well other than Craptaku(kotaku).

[cahill]

No one listens to me

[Snukadaman]

the only people that do listen to you are the blind droids....f*ck those people. and by the way...shipped isnt sold to consumers..thats why they are not counted towards vgchartz....because they are sitting on shelves...

[Silogon]

To put things into perspective about anyone doubting Sony's worth to 3rd party developers

PS3 57.3 %

360 2.6 %

And this is just for Konami. That ratio tells me that the PS3 is pretty damn important to Konami and at very least, Kojima.

[TheColbertinator]

3.94 million shipped? Daaaamn,that's gotta be alot of money

[cahill]

so around 5m-5.5m shipped as of july
and 4m-4.5m sold as of july

BTW do look at those Vgcrap numbers

[Overr8ed]

MGS 4 had to get its own category because it pwns so much

[Fishy Fingers]

Not bad. Perhaps if they stuck a picture of snake on the side of McDonalds packaging they might of sold a few more.

[DaKid]

And I might weigh more!

[power of Green]

Cahill/nasim, STFU

[cahill]

Consoles revenues

PS3 57.3 %

360 2.6 %

[eagle21]

This game will easily sell 6 million by December 31, 2008.

POG: "MGS4 will maybe sell 3-4 million, it's a niche title".... LMAO

[juuken]

Lol...do I hear someone crying there?
Oh, right, it's just PoG.

GOTY, go cry some more.

[silverchode]

http://img175.imageshack.us...

[Shane Kim]

hahahah silverchode that pic was priceless :D

[ScottEFresh]

lol @ the "niche title" comment...oh man thats funny

[Premonition]

Omega why do you come in here with that avatar like your not going to be attacked by sony fans when its quite obvious you love the 360 because you bring it up almost in every good sony PS3 news, you always have to compare something to something just cause.

[CViper]

Good Job.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

5.7%

Dollars make cents

[Aclay]

Metal Gear Solid 4 has done well to have sold this good on the PS3 this fast with a installbase of 14.4 million. And yes I know that the numbers stated don't reflect actual retail numbers because they are shipped numbers, but I think that MGS4 has sold a little over 3 million units by now because it's August and those numbers are from June.

Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PS3 with a MUCH smaller userbase has almost already outsold MGS3 on the PS2 whenever the PS2 userbase was HUGE. I guess it goes to show that you can't judge the possible sales of a game on installbase.

[orakga]

And this is something I touched on before.
The term "install base" is very misleading.

They only represent the number of units sold to consumers, and not actually the number of people actually using the system. It would be best if we could measure the "active (simultaneous) user base" for a console, but that is just impossible at this point. (maybe 3-5 years from now we'll see something; mostly based on online activity)

Basically, we all know that there are about 120 million (140mil? I lost track) PS2's in the market. But how many people do you know that still use their PS2s?

I personally stopped using my PS2 years before MGS3 and GoW came out, but I had bought 3 PS3s by that point (no, none of them broke; I just had more than one for networking and for different regions). So yeah, the conversion rate is really hard to measure, especially when the console is that old...

[solidt12]

Either way you look at it Shipped is sold. Shipped means that the store ordered it or it was pre-ordered. It will sell and the store will re-order. :)

[Meus Renaissance]

Is shipped as much as sold though because there are alot of copies of the game hanging around in stores that haven't been sold yet? It even had a price drop after a month in the UK

[power of Green]

eagle21/shmee, STFU...

[eagle21]

I don't know who shmee is. But you are beyond delusional. At least you can agree that a game only has to sell:

100k worldwide a week for ten weeks = 1,000,000. Then you have Christmas where this game will easily sell 1,000,000 worldwide from Nov/Dec. alone. Just wake up. :)

[silverchode]

dont you have multiple accounts also?

[juuken]

Lol, like you don't have multiple accounts.
PoG/Mart.

[eagle21]

Can't this site find out who has multiple accounts by IP address? Let's all vote to N4g finding out who has multiple accounts. It's time for this bullcrap to end.

POG has been called the Mart and many other names. Who the fuc$ is shmee? You loser.... :)

[kingme71]

MGS4 is deserving of all the sales it gets for Konami. Best game I've played probably ever.

[hella whip]

MGS4 hasn't shipped 3.94 million units, it has shipped over 3 million though ""Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots" shipped over 3 million units worldwide."

The Metal Gear category with the 3.94m number includes the PSP Metal Gear games. Still over 3m is impressive and I don't think any of them 3 million people regretted buying it.

[Superfragilistic]

Well noted and bubbles. I didn't see that, but having looked at the figures you're correct given the 07 "Metal Gear" figures. Title needs to be changed. ;)

[orakga]

you pwned all of us

[nirun]

Congratulations Konami on a job well done, MGS4 is a classic and has set the bar high for next gen software.

[i_like_ff7]

It outsold the 3rd one!

[juuken]

Congratulations to Konami/Kojima. This game rocks, hands down.

[bioshock]

is not even a month old as of june 30th and it sold more thn 3 mil and 3.94 distributed to retailers,....this is slap to all those who thought exclusive is a bad idea, and those who thought tht stealth genra is on a decline. on this very forum i stated, this is not mgs3,big boss game...this is our lone survivor old snake's game, which we all grew up with....mgs1 old 6 mil , mgs2 sold 7 mil, and with snake back it has already sold 4 mil aproxx more thn mgs3......(the power of solid snake sells)

[sak500]

Shipped you stupid droids. 3 million are lying in bargin bins of the world now.

[ScottEFresh]

Awww you mad and bitter that the game has been CONFIRMED to have sold 3 million and that says 3.94 million you huge douche...not 3...3.94 so really 4 million shipped. #1 SKU OVERALL on Amazon.com...sold out everywhere else...it hurts you don't it?

[mint royale]

Metal Gear shipped 3.94 million not just mgs4. Metal Gear includes PS2 and PSP games which sold well in the lead up to the MGS4 launch.

MGS4 shipped around 3 million.

And the numbers are shipped to retailers, not sold to consumers.

But still excellent sales for MGS4, it'll push towards four million sold to consumers in the run up to christmas.

[PimpHandStrong]

will have long legs thanks to the bundle

They could sell that bundle for a year and it will still be a top seller

anyway

Congrats to Kojima and his team

and thanks for such a great game

[Jeremy Clarkson]

Good for them I say! They put in the hard work and it's paying off though sales.

[mint royale]

Top gear 4 best show of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cmrbe]

So much for MGS4 not selling more than MGS3 hehe. You buffoons can't put one and two together even if your lives depend on it.

[mint royale]

Metal Gear shipped 3.94 million not just mgs4. Metal Gear includes PS2 and PSP games which sold well in the lead up to the MGS4 launch.

MGS4 shipped around 3 million.

And the numbers are shipped to retailers, not sold to consumers.

But still excellent sales for MGS4, it'll push towards four million sold to consumers in the run up to christmas for sure.

[San anto]

shipped 3mil in just over 2 weeks of release

[Skadoosh]

So MGS4 SHIPPED 3 million. Funny, all I ever saw on here was how MGS4 SOLD 4 million. LMAO, you fanboys just got a fat PWNAGE across your face. So I guess 2.5 million SOLD is more reasonable.

[Skadoosh]

we have 14.4 million ps3's sold and only about 2.5 million copies of MGS4 sold. That is a very low number. I thought MGS4 was supposed to be Sony's number 1 game. Looks like the majority of ps3 owners don't care about MGS4.

[kazuma]

we have 20 million 360's sold and only about 5 million sold of Gears1. That is a very low number. I thought Gears1 was supposed to be Microsoft's number 1 game. Looks like the majority of 360 owners don't care about Gears1.

jesus, and u even claim to be a gamer, cause u game and don't care about numbers. this made my day.

[Skadoosh]

Kazuma, yeah man this stupid site has pulled me down the deeps of sales numbers. This comment was supposed to be for Cahill and all the other dumb sony fanboys. Just tired of their silliness and have stooped to their level. Oh well....I made a good point tho.

Btw, your 360 and Gears comment doesn't really work. Gears was a brand new franchise with zero fanbase. Plus when this game dropped the 360 was under 10 million sold. Halo 3 would be a better equivalent and it's nearing 10 million sold with an install base of 20 million. That is what a number 1 game is supposed to do.

Mint Royale, it's not 1 in 5, it's more like 1 in 7. In other words only 5.6% of ps3 owners picked up MGS4. That is low.

[kazuma]

it wasn't supposed to work, it was just a copy/paste of ur own comment.

dude honestly, give credit where credit is due.
halo 3 was marketed by microsoft like crazy.
mgs4 didn't have almost any advertisement and still is selling well and still out of stock on a lot of places as soon as more arrive. and u still don't see mgs4 ads. wrong move by sony? u judge that, don't really want to start on that one.

whatever way u want, mgs4 IS ps3 number one game.

[Skadoosh]

Does MGS4 need marketing? That franchise has been around for a LONG TIME and has tons of games and should already have a fanbase by now. And Halo 2 also sold near 10 million without any heavy marketing. If you really think Halo 3 is hitting 10 million sold because of marketing than you my friend are just another fanboy throwing excuses.

[kazuma]

then why are so many kids playing halo 3? because they knew halo 1 and 2 were good? they probably weren't even around by the time the first xbox launched.
none of the games need advertisement, but face it, the fact that halo 3 DID have made a difference. it tells MORE ppl about the product, it's a well known fact. ur trying to tell me that by having ads in every single place didn't help the game? lol. that's a funny thought.

oh and also, halo 2 DID have a heavy marketing campaign too. here's a quick quote from the internet "Halo 2, for example, has eaten up "tens of millions" of marketing dollars (the reporter was unable to determine if marketing for Halo 2 was more expensive than the development costs, which Microsoft declined to reveal)".
it's not really my fault that u don't remember it. "finish the fight".

[mint royale]

Its not amazing but still pretty good. Not every ps3 owner is hardcore, i know a few people who bought it to watch blu ray movies. Its not a mainstream game and isn't as a bigger franchise as people think. Its definately increased in popularity this generation.