LucasArts prioritizing PS3, unleashing Force

Martini - 656 days 9 hours ago

Smart move.
Common sense tells you that you should make the game with the lowest common denominator and go from there.
That way you won't be struggling with making the game work on a particular console as it is guaranteed to run on the higher spec. machine.

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Violater - 656 days 9 hours ago

hopefully the ps3 version of force unleashed is up to par.

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Panthers - 656 days 8 hours ago

Why disagree with Violator? He is right. This article basically says that they had difficulty with the PS3 version.

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games4fun - 656 days 8 hours ago

I guess the ps2 was more powerful than the original xbox? because you know the xbox1 had to be very weak console compared to the graphic might of the ps2 because xbox1 was the "lowest denominator" when they would devolop games for it first right?

or are you just wearing fanboy glasses in fanboy land and crying like a baby?

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Richdad - 656 days 2 hours ago

233 mhz < 733 mhz
32 Mb ram < 64 Mb Ram
gfx card equivalent to geforce 2ti< gfx card better than geforce 3Ti

All the above stats show that the hardware was in case of Xbox 1 more powerful, the only advantage the PS2 had was of fill rate as far as the survival in the market account anything that sells will survive, even with howso ever weakend hardware it has.
I say this on account of being PS2 user and my friend who showed me multiplatform games on xbox1.
Till 2004 it was Ok with PS2 but after that I didnt saw much improvement in graphics except for RE4 and GOW, GOW 2.

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thewhoopimen - 655 days 19 hours ago

Are you daft? Martini is right?! where do you come up with that logic? Based off his btw, sarcastic backhand, the Wii should be the lead platform being the lowest common denominator not to mention highest base.

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JsonHenry - 655 days 13 hours ago

Is it not easier to make it on the PS3 THEN port to other consoles? Sounds like a smart move since the PS3 (for the time being at least) is the lowest common denominator among ported games.

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BobDog - 655 days 11 hours ago

@ rich dad

he was being sarcastic... he was implying martini's logic

bet u feel like an idiot

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gonzopia - 656 days 9 hours ago

This is the best part...

"Virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. 'They all are now, since it's just easier,' he told GameSpot."

...oh, snap.

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wow4u - 656 days 8 hours ago

"Virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. 'They all are now, since it's just easier,' he told GameSpot."

Yes.

Exactly. And since I have to explain it, I feel pity for you.

Translated:

It is easier to port PS3 code to the Xbox 360 than to port Xbox 360 code to the PS3 -- WITHOUT WASTING TIME AND MONEY TO SQUEEZE OUT PERFORMANCE.

So, Mutliplatform games will now be gimped to the PS3.

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SnakeCL - 656 days 7 hours ago

Actually, no. Since PS3 will be lead platform, games will play to the strengths of that platform, namely, the better texture filtering processing power.

So if anything, games ported from PS3 to 360 will be lesser than their PS3 original.

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drewdrakes - 656 days 6 hours ago

SnakeCL - Actually no, the 360 has better texture filtering. Its graphics card has more pipelines for shaders. As well the 360's graphics chip's pipelines are general purpose and so can be either pixel or vertex.

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Richdad - 656 days 2 hours ago

The devs have to use power of processor in PS3 to get graphics so its up to the cell and its software driver to give the result. But I dont know the depth abt texture filtering and all that on either console.

But whatever is the case why did the Devs didnt used the CPU processor power in last gen, I mean the PS2 and xbox were not even 1 GHZ in processing power but when I turned on GTA Sandandreas on Intel exteme GPU ( yeah very poor of me) it doesnt work but the processor of a normal PC by most accounts was 2.4GHZ. So why didnt the Devs did that to the PC what they are doing on PS3 use processor more and less GPU.
I dont why even devs compalin abt PC sells, when a PC gamer is not even sure that if the game howso ever good he is purcahsing will work properly or not but in case of console we ask for 60 fps and 1080p things, inspite of the fact that a high end PC costs enough to get you all the 3 next gen console.

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gonzopia - 655 days 21 hours ago

Listen - the issue at hand has nothing to do with which system has better graphics or processing power, it's about development time. The PS3 is a more complicated system to develop for - it has a more elaborate system. Therefore, it takes longer. It's easier, like the quote says, to dev for the PS3, then port to the 360 for that very reason.

Why is this good? It's good because more devs will take more time to learn the PS3 method of developing games and using the multiprocessing system. PS3 will get better games, and likely the possibility of more exclusives in the future - but it's also good because 360 won't require a totally different build, so these games will come out at the same time and the 360 will get almost the same version...

...just one that's gimped down a bit. :)

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SnakeCL - 655 days 19 hours ago

Actually, you're incorrect.

The PS3 does AF considerably better than 360. The old CoD4 comparo shots are an excellent example.

The RSX is actually better at Pixel Shading that the Xenos as well. Xenos is better at vertex shading, but the RSX was never meant to handle that, it gets offloaded to Cell.

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beavis4play - 656 days 10 hours ago

at one point in the article the author says the impressive looking game is on track. (not rubbish)

then says after they first showed the demo to an audience; it was met with a thunderous applause.

just read before commenting.

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Richdad - 656 days 1 hour ago

Lucas arts had hardship to get it on PS3 right way. No matter whatever hardship they had they are going to do it right Lucas arts is one really good studio, its never gonna dissappoint PS3 user like EA did earlier.

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CrazzyMan - 656 days 7 hours ago

The ps3 is owning. =]

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Sam Fisher - 656 days 2 hours ago

wtf r u talking bout they just said they did it b/c they wont have difficulties in the near future....like um delayes....duh... jesus, does any1 read anymore or is the future all bout video ( instead of read interview. they should just put video interview 4 ppl that puts idiotic things like "The Tide is changing. =],The ps3 is owning. =]".)

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thewhoopimen - 655 days 19 hours ago

Mr. Fisher, you should try to read between the lines. Given most of the ports last year were xbox360 as the baseline, developers choosing to switch over to the PS3 means more than just your one sided 'easier to program' or 'lowest common denominator' reasoning. No company would switch their target platform to a "dead" or "dying" console system. The market trend shows otherwise, therefore it makes sense for them to switch.

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Martini - 656 days 9 hours ago

Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?

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harpua - 656 days 8 hours ago

"Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?"

well when its dumb down for the 360 first its alot harder to port. You make a good point that they are using the better console, PS3, to develop on first.

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Martini - 656 days 8 hours ago

Skipped the class on common sense harpua haven't you?

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wow4u - 656 days 8 hours ago

Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?"

well when its dumb down for the 360 first its alot harder to port. You make a good point that they are using the better console, PS3, to develop on first.

Whoa whoa whoa. Just a second.

What did you just say? That, the code is "dumbed down" for Xbox 360 *first* and that makes it harder to bring it to the "better console"?

Huh?

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harpua - 656 days 7 hours ago

"Skipped the class on common sense harpua haven't you?"

Actually I teach that class, noticed you weren't in it....oh thats right, GED is a prerequisite....hey good luck with the test.

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mikeslemonade - 656 days 5 hours ago

Obviously some one here lacks sense to not think PS3 will win HD generation of consoles and will have the best games. If you think other wise you must have flunked economics and math. It's okay most people in America are blind and short sighted, so you're not the only one.

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thewhoopimen - 655 days 18 hours ago

Martini you are absolutely right. The PS3 can run the general purpose code written for the 360 but the 360 can't run the PS3 specialized code.
Most programmers probably start out with a general purpose code framework before rewriting it to utilize PS3 SPUs for example. Therefore, why not develop on the PS3 first? The PS3 can perform either one...

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Xbox is the BEST - 656 days 8 hours ago

the 360 can handle the Cell fine.

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Martini - 656 days 8 hours ago

Are you trying to say the cell, can't handle the 360 ??

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wow4u - 656 days 8 hours ago

@18.2 precisely.

The RSX needs to be propped up by heavy ($$$) optimization of code on the Cell. The Xbox 360 CPU can pump out the code, and the GPU without problem.

Why do you think every cross platform game has performed, and looked better on the Xbox 360?

Because the Developers have found that the Xbox 360 is more powerful. So, they need to use the PS3 as the baseline.

Base;
lowest part: the lowest, bottom, or supporting part or layer of something

Baseline;
standard of value: a standard of value to which other similar things are compared

Get it?

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gambare - 656 days 8 hours ago

"Because the Developers have found that the Xbox 360 is more powerful. So, they need to use the PS3 as the baseline."

I think you got it wrong, they got a full year with the 360 hardware before the PS3, the PS3 is complex yes, but they are also watching what devs like infinity ward did and insomniac is doing, they want to gain the lost time and check what the PS3 hardware can do, because if the cell processor is not used at it's full capacity and even with that can pull games (poorly compiled) at a decent speed then they wonder what they can do with the cell at full speed, so they want to focus on the PS3 version, if they can pull more with the cell just like Insomniac and naughty dog then they will point at something.bigger

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Martini - 656 days 8 hours ago

But but how is that possible when sony has teh Cell ??
I thought the cell would take over the world and make the 360 obsolete the day it launched and that's when the HD age starts because Kaz said so but in the mean time the 360 games just look so awesome?? How is that possible ??? Maybe,just maybe it really has something to do with the hardware - gosh this sucks..I feel like I just need a minute and dwell on this deep down inside..........

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Bill Gates - 656 days 8 hours ago

Bro, I got booted from the "Gamer zone" for a MONTH !.....AHHAAHHAHAHAHA

I posted a comment a comment on that stupid zone instead of posting it in the COOL zone where it's more fun to comment.

Now I have it set to automatically go to the "open zone" first.

This section is fanboy heaven......AHAHHAHAHHAHHA

Whenever I see Power of BABOON waisting all his bubbles on this side, it just tells me he has been booted from the gamer zone....AHAHHAHHAHHAHA

Deal with it BABOON. This is like jail for you. In this section you need to let your "fanboy" out to stay alive.....AHHAHAHHAHHAA

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heyheyhey - 656 days 9 hours ago

you do realize that not EVERY dev struggles with the PS3 don't you?

cause if you don't then you are nothing short of being in denial and brainwashed

so to make the same assumption FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME is pretty fcuking stupid don't you think?

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Stubacca - 656 days 9 hours ago

Why approach LucasArts titles with caution in future?

Surely the games will still contain the same great fun and sense of adventure as the Star Wars previous titles?

They'll just play and look better on my console than yours.

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SUP3R - 656 days 8 hours ago

Haven't you realized that after a developer complains about difficulty in development the first time, they NEVER complain when they return to the console for another title and infact praise the PS3 for allowing them to be able to do more than they thought would have been possible?

HAHAHA jealous the 360 never got comments about being a technologically inventive piece of hardware? Don't worry it'll never get them.

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InYourMom - 656 days 7 hours ago

@2.1 - You are right that not every dev struggles with the PS3. I don't believe I said every dev struggles. However, there seems to be a lot of vocal developers saying that it is and the evidence can be seen in the bad performance of many multiplatform titles.

@2.2 - I said Xbox 360 owners approach LucasArts titles with caution. Reading is comprehension

@2.3 - You might have a point that they complain the first time and don't after. Learning any piece of new tech the first time is always the hardest.
I totally disagree with your singing the praises of the 360. I have a video just for you.
GDC 2008: Platform of Choice
http://www.gametrailers.com...
You fail.

Burnout Paradise was the first cross platform failure from the PS3 and the sales have reflected that. If these dev's want to give second rate ports to the 360 then you can bet I will be not spending my money on them and will encourage all I can to not buy.

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Stubacca - 656 days 4 hours ago

@InYourMom

Firstly, my point was why should 360 owners approach it with caution? It's still the same game. It just makes better sense for development.

Secondly, comprehension is the understanding of information. Reading is a form of aquiring the information. I read you right. I understood you right. But you didn't address my point.

Thirdly, are you a fanboy first and a gamer second?

Lastly, are you twelve?

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BrianC6234 - 655 days 17 hours ago

Xbots need fear not. It is well known that if you develop the PS3 version and port to the 360 that both versions are better for it. You see, the PS3 is so powerful that if you push it more the 360 game is better in the long run for it. That's because you end up with a much better PS3 game and that game is ported to the 360.

When porting games you should start with the more powerful console and port to the weaker console. Starting with the 360 and porting to the PS3 just isn't a good idea.

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Bathyj - 656 days 9 hours ago

Thats not what they're saying and you know it.

Geeze no wonder no one listens to you anymore when you spout trash like that.

Xbox has already gimped this whole generation for multiplat games with no HDD and last gen format. DMC and GTA spring to mind. Even Peter M complaining about no HDD. M$ didn't go next gen, they just upgraded like a PC.

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Genuine - 656 days 9 hours ago

Your absolutely right POG. If devs start using the ps3 as the lead platform, 360 owners will be getting screwed, just like Xbox owners were last gen with the ps2. 360 owners need to make their voice loud and clear to devs "If you port to the 360 from the ps3, we are not buying your gimped game."

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Snukadaman - 656 days 8 hours ago

sadly no matter how crappy this game looks most xbox 360 fans will still buy it...I love how some people use them using a ps3 as the lead console is a good thing...you work with the most troubling console first and foremost. poor bathyj using the "no hdd" for gimped gameplay...maybe he hasnt seen madden 08 for ps3...

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bosels11 - 656 days 8 hours ago

bathyj yep Peter Moore bailed because he was sick of lying for Microsuck - now he is saying it like it is.

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hfaze - 656 days 7 hours ago

"Look at burnout paradise as a example of using the ps3 as the lead developer...its terrible for xbox 360 gamers."

Excuse me?

http://www.metacritic.com/s...

Burnout Paradise PS3 - 87/100 metascore
Burnout Paradise 360 - 88/100 metascore

I own Burnout Paradise, and I can say that I agree with the reviewers that it is a great game and worth the $60. Where do you get that Burnout Paradise is terrible for the 360?

@ PoG...

"Now if they start on PS3 and then only match the 360 version with the PS3 version without taking advantage of the 360's strenths and calling it good" thats bad becuase the devs will no longer push the games basically gimping the game by default by starting on PS3 and only matching the 360 version and calling it good. Its actually lazyness."

LOLROFLLMFAO!!! Bookmarking this page, and can't wait to see how you'll try to spin your way out of this statement later this year. Once the BIG PS3 exclusives start hitting like MGS4. We'll see just how gimped the PS3 really is... ;-)

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Snukadaman - 656 days 3 hours ago

Check any other EA game where the ps3 isnt the lead console...notice the vibrant colors...somethings off on this version of burnout i know im not the only one thinking this.

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resistance100 - 655 days 19 hours ago

'ook at burnout paradise as a example of using the ps3 as the lead developer...its terrible for xbox 360 gamers."

Excuse me?

http://www.metacritic.com/s...

Burnout Paradise PS3 - 87/100 metascore
Burnout Paradise 360 - 88/100 metascore '

Now explain to me how the fu*k can use that as a fair comparason of whihc version is better. it would only work if the same reviewer reviewed both versions.

You then have the fact that many places just review one version of the game.

For example

The 360 version has scores of 95 from MS Xbox world. Now tell me they reviewed the Ps3 version as well? No thought not.

I Will say it again the only way to really get an idea of which version is better, if the same person reviews both versions.

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phonyforceslayer - 655 days 18 hours ago

about which platform it developes for. as long as the game comes out decent. im not to bovered

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Snukadaman - 655 days 16 hours ago

remember how they reviewed madden 08 for both consoles and gave them both the exact same score...even with all the problems.

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BrianC6234 - 655 days 11 hours ago

"Now if they start on PS3 and then only match the 360 version with the PS3 version without taking advantage of the 360's strenths and calling it good" thats bad becuase the devs will no longer push the games basically gimping the game by default by starting on PS3 and only matching the 360 version and calling it good. Its actually lazyness."

I think you're mixed up. The 360 is the inferior console. No game will be gimped if it's made for the PS3 and ported to the 360. What has been said many times though is the 360 game will end up even better than it would have been. You see, if a game is made to push the PS3 and not just ported to the PS3 it will be really good. Then that game can be ported to the 360 and since the game is even better the 360 port ends up being better than a game made for the 360. Many developers have already stated this as fact.

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mullet - 656 days 9 hours ago

Gimped games? You mean like DMC4? When it was exclusive to PS3 Capcom stated the game will be 1080p and what happened? Yeah, downgrade all thanks to 360's weak hardware.

Cry on. This is great news for PS3 owners.

360 exclusives look like crap compared to PS3 exclusives. Proof? See Uncharted. Most 360 exclusives use that crappy Unreal Engine.

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power of Green - 656 days 9 hours ago

I agree they may have a better time developing for PS3 where the game isn't more gimped than the 360 version but the game is already gimped useing PS3 as a lead useing its tech was the problem for pushing the best quality in the first place.

A multi platform game thats the same on all consoles due to not being a port of the 360 or devs useing the PS3 first as the lead doesn't mean the problem's solved all it means is the game was gimped to PS3 standards and not taking advantage of what made the 360 outperform the PS3.

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heyheyhey - 656 days 9 hours ago

people like you are beyond help

devs make you a good game to play, yet you want to act like a 5 year old and whine about "gimped" versions and sh!t even when it's been said by the devs that this isn't true

and i have a question to ask you- explain why you think the PS3 is inferior, seriously i want to know where you get this bullshit from

is it the 2.5mb of cache over the Xenons 1mb? is it the XDR high-speed 1300mhz RAM over the GDDR3 700mhz the 360 uses? is it the 550mhz RSX over the 500mghz Xenos? is it the 8-core 3.2 ghz CPU using 2 different type of processing units to carry out specialized task with more effieciency over a tri-core out-dated CPU? is it the standard SATA HDD with higher RPM and buffer speeds?

where do you get the idea that PS3 versions have to be "gimped"

this also goes to MARTy boy and POG

why do you people keep talking through your ass?

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Genuine - 656 days 9 hours ago

Mullet and heyheyhey both of you are on my Ignore List for being delusional Sony Underlings, so you might want to spew your anti-360 garbage to someone who's listening.

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mullet - 656 days 9 hours ago

Genuine must be crying right now lol. You gonna PM me this time too, fairy boy? My guess is you're in your 30's living in your mom's basement jerking off to Kameo. The closest you've ever gotten to a vagina was when your mom gave birth to you. Go outside. Get a life.

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gambare - 656 days 9 hours ago

the PS3 version always get ugly versions from the multiplat games, but now the devs are working harder to make good games for both platforms, If the 360 came a year later on difference of the PS3 the worst ports would come from the 360 side, but it was backwards, the 360 stepped back the game development because the hardware was the same as the PC architecture, the PS3 offered something more and that makes it difficult because it's something above the simple PC hardware but 360fanboys can't understand that.

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Genuine - 656 days 9 hours ago

Welcome to my "List of Ignored Delusional Sony Underlings" Gambare.

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Bathyj - 656 days 8 hours ago

If Mullet, Heyhey and Gambre are all on your ignore list, thats a good enough reason for me to give them all bubbles.

Return the favour if you feel like it guys, cos these two wannabe gamers who only play on one console are bound to take mine now.

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gambare - 656 days 8 hours ago

eh? I got genuine in my ignore list long ago, so I didn't saw that :P

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SUP3R - 656 days 8 hours ago

So you're not going to buy their games if they're using the PS3 as their lead platform?
So that means soon you're going to stop buying multi-platform games.

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BrianC6234 - 655 days 11 hours ago

"is it the 2.5mb of cache over the Xenons 1mb? is it the XDR high-speed 1300mhz RAM over the GDDR3 700mhz the 360 uses? is it the 550mhz RSX over the 500mghz Xenos? is it the 8-core 3.2 ghz CPU using 2 different type of processing units to carry out specialized task with more effieciency over a tri-core out-dated CPU? is it the standard SATA HDD with higher RPM and buffer speeds?"

Heyheyhey - You shouldn't try to reason with these dorks. They think the PS3 is inferior because it has its RAM broken into two sections so it isn't all used for video. That seems to be the problem I always read from Xbots. But the PS3 is strong in other places just like you listed. It isn't all about the amount of video memory. It's everything combined. The 360 just isn't as powerful as the PS3. It's easy to port PC games to though so you hear idiots like Gabe Newell praise it. If I care about PC games though I'll spend hundreds to upgrade my PC and play them on my PC.

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Genuine - 656 days 9 hours ago

Harmonix dev spells it out:
http://jbooth.blogspot.com/...

Aswell as the top unbiased 3rd party devs:
http://www.computerandvideo...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/ea...
http://www.destructoid.com/...
http://gamer.blorge.com/200...

And here is where the ps3 is now, because Sony chose to build a movie player instead of a game machine:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

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mullet - 656 days 9 hours ago

LOL Power of Green and Genuine. The two biggest 360 fanfaggots on this website jerking each other off to their 360's because they can't get girlfriends. That "movie player" that Sony built just won the format war. Not just that, but it's simply the superior hardware. Have fun getting RROD over and over. Unreliable trash that can't even get an exclusive that look better than Uncharted even though it launched in 05. So sad lol.

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heyheyhey - 656 days 9 hours ago

god

and you called me brainwashed once Genuine

your ridiculous- i bet you can't explain why the 360 is more powerful than the PS3

cause you don't know sh!t- you just follow crappy articles in the hope that they contain bullshit that pleases you so, and you just hang by every bullshit word without a clue about whats going on, and what they're talking about

GENUINE yeah GENUINE opinions from devs that come from credible sources state that....... ah fcuk it why bother, your already filled with to the brim with crap thats been fed down your throat- and it aint going nowhere- your going to be ignorant for the rest of your life

EDIT: you see what i mean- you cant back your points up- instead you just start acting like i care about if i am in your ignore list and start whining- which is all you people do nowadays

classic response from someone who doesn't know hwat hes talking about- just shying away, and start crying about some ignore list

jeez sorry for the anger N4G- i just hate it when people who barely know what their talking about start shooting their ignorant mouths off like some know-it-all, it just annoys me

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robbo918 - 656 days 6 hours ago

WOW you have taken the cake officially now. You were one of the ones spewing that you don't care about an Irish article talking trash about the PS3 but then link an obscure Finnish one that may or may not have been translated correctly lol.

Then you post BLOG links as if that is even remotely tied to any level of fact. Then for your final piece of trash you link something with a GDC2008 head (your final link) that is news from Septemeber 2007 saying that is where Sony is now??? Actually PS3 is outselling your X360 WW including NA now. That hack post of yours was hands down one of the worst from either side of the extreme fanboys.

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robbo918 - 656 days 5 hours ago

"an Irish article talking trash about the X360". We need to be able to edit posts a bit longer than a few minutes lol. I admit my mistakes at least.

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pwnsause - 656 days 8 hours ago

and so Sony just started off with a bang this year, winning the format war, convicing devs to go PS3 platform and now where actually getting a real community gaming service soon, one that tops over XBL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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caffman - 655 days 15 hours ago

because if they made the 360 a prioity then the PS3 version would be delayed! And Madden would start a protest!

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cmrbe - 656 days 9 hours ago

the x360 is the lowest common denominator last year when it was the lead platform for most developers?. Think before you speak.

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Martini - 656 days 8 hours ago

Yeah that's why the games were running like crap - think before YOU speak :)

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cmrbe - 656 days 8 hours ago

because the x360 is the lowest denominator?.

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Snukadaman - 656 days 8 hours ago

As usual you come in with the dumb azz comments ....the xbox was the lead console because it was out before the ps3....now that the problems with the ps3 are evident it becomes the lead console...sony even gave the new development kits at last years GDC..remember?

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Jdash24 - 656 days 7 hours ago

or they could be doing the hard stuff first so the rest is easy, so theres no stress about having difficulties later.

Not trying to disagree or anything, just seeing it from both sides

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