G4TV: Microsoft Vs. Sony At TGS 2009: Battle Of The Motion Controllers

DIRTYHAIRYJOYSTICK - 93 days 4 hours ago

You got a bunch of disagrees for the truth. Next time you better watch out before you say anything remotely negative about Natal or you might lose bubbles or get banned. Doesn't matter what reality says or what happened, just watch the big brainwash show and think it's cool Microsoft always brings big names (think Beatles and Kojima) to distract people from the actual lack of substance and continued hardware failure.

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darthv72 - 93 days 4 hours ago

I havent seen any footage of the keynotes but I wanted to ask this first off. What could you really do with motion controls in LBP or even Res5? Shake your stick and make your sack boy wiggle? That just sounds tooooo funny.

Seriously though, what good do current games really benefit from this pink ball on a stick where as NEW games made specifically for natal and this could be more ground breaking? MS already showed that existing games of the right type could be adapted for motion controls ie: driving. I am sure others could be adapted as well like shooters and maybe a few sports titles but you cant adapt everything.

LBP is a platformer and really would be odd using the movie magic style of mocap control. Res5...? could work but then again you know the real deal will be stuff made specifically for it. Showing off a couple of current games is a cop out as they didnt really show the potential it can bring.

When I see those balls on a stick and think about two people really playing with them in the same room...running around chasing each other to make their on screen character do the same I am reminded of an ooolllllddd john ritter movie called skin deep. There was a scene where he and another person had glow in the dark condoms and um well....in a dark room you get the picture.

Sorry if that seemed a bit off topic but sony's approach is just late to the party. They should stick to the eyetoy and existing sixaxis and make that work for them.

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randomwiz - 93 days 4 hours ago

"...real-world demonstrations and actual games?"

"Or do you prefer Microsoft's broad support and star-studded panel?"

assume what you will with my comment

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klashawnd - 93 days 4 hours ago

@darthv72:

Here's what you can do with RE5 and motion controls:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Tony P - 93 days 4 hours ago

The article is a little unfair on MS, making it sound like they haven't shown off Natal in real-world applications. That's among the first things they tried to do at E3. They showed the casual motion stuff like the paint thing (which isn't my bag), but also how Natal could be used on existing series like Burnout. This was months ago. Short memories on some people.

On the other hand, I don't get how Natal is supposed to be out first yet Sony is the first to give us a list of real games while MS shows off high-profile brainstorming and big names... That's not bad, but obviously concrete info is clearly more progressive. I can't help but wonder what the hold up is with MS.

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rockleex - 93 days 3 hours ago

Natal could allow for some new types of games to be made. Ones where the player can use their whole body to interact with a game.

But don't expect it to be accurate enough for hardcore experiences like shooter games that require super precise aiming.

Or simulation driving games that require the exact amount of pressure on a brake pedal just enough to make it around the corner... but not too much to lose a few split seconds off your lap time, or you'll end up in 3rd place.

Too much and too quick of body movements would not be recommended either. Otherwise your game avatar might end up breaking his limbs because of Natal's inaccurate skeleton mapping.

I just hope Microsoft is able to make Natal as precise as WiiMotionPlus or Sony's motion controller. That way, we'll be able to play some hardcore "skill and precision required" games with Natal.

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coolirisGB - 93 days 3 hours ago

The Japanese developers were excited about Sony's offerings? they seem to be all talking about what Microsoft has.

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darthv72 - 93 days 3 hours ago

It is funny how you mention the motion plus and the sony wand in your statement. It was only obvious to do so but I think people are missing out on a bigger scope. MS has shown you can do controls with NO controller in your hands.

That is the wow factor here. Anyone can do motion controls if you are having to hold something in your hand to help control the motion. Honestly it would be easier to just not hold anything and let your fingers and hands and body do the controlling. People seem to miss that key point difference between the three types of motion controlling experiences.

Sony and nintendo relying on something to help you control the onscreen action. MS lets YOU control the onscreen action. How hard is that to figure out? What makes you an expert on "Natal's inaccurate skeleton mapping"??? I am no expert and can admit that.

I see MS approach as virtual reality without the headgear and funky power gloves. Now all we need is the holodeck...

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Cenobia - 93 days 3 hours ago

What? Flip that around and tell me how Natal could be used in place of the motion controllers? Your argument seems incredibly one sided. Let me sum up your point of view: "With the PS Motion controller you have to run around with a stick in your hand to move sackboy around, but with natal YOU RUN AROUND to move sackboy around!!1!!" Yeah...that makes perfect sense.

I have trouble seeing a use for Natal at all, although I'll admit that my interest in the 'PSMotion' has waned since I discovered that it has no thumb stick. I constantly question the uses for natal, and all I ever get is "you can hurl your hand in the air to throw a grenade in Halo". The truth is that both technologies will have to prove themselves to me (I haven't seen the demos you speak of either).

And would people get over the sexual innuendos already? It was old the second day the 'PSMotion' was announced, it isn't getting funnier if that's what you people think. The Wii-mote is basically the same damn thing with a name ripe for controversy, and I never heard jokes this bad about that device.

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rockleex - 93 days 3 hours ago

"Natal could allow for some new types of games to be made. Ones where the player can use their whole body to interact with a game."

I wouldn't doubt it if he simply skimmed over everything I said.

I don't claim to be an expert on Natal, that is your own words. But I did learn a lot about Natal after E3. There were many articles and videos that displayed how Natal works. Seeing as you're a 360 fanboy, I'm surprised you didn't even pay attention to them.

If you didn't know, Natal roughly maps your limbs onto a virtual skeleton. The virtual skeleton is what a game/application will work with, not your body. If Natal can't even accurately map your limbs onto the skeleton, then you're screwed.

Tell me how Natal can allow you to play Call Of Duty with no controller, seeing as how it can barely accurately map a person lifting his leg.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Not only did Natal inaccurately map his limbs onto the Avatar's skeleton, Natal went so far as to move the skeleton's limbs ALL OVER THE PLACE. That is pretty significant.

Natal can not detect sub-millimeter movements that are needed in a shooting game.

Just compare the Natal painting demo to Sony's painting demo. Natal only displays paint throwing. While Sony demonstrates sub-millimeter painting, drawing, and writing along with paint throwing.

Not only that, Sony wasn't afraid to demonstrate gun shooting, arrow shooting, or ninja star throwing at small objects and moving objects in third person OR first person view. All of that while maintaining sub-millimeter accuracy.

Tell me what Microsoft has shown to insure us that Natal can handle accurate measurements?

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Tony P - 93 days 2 hours ago

At this point, the hardcore vs casual thing isn't even that important.

The question still stands: where are ANY of MS's Natal games about now?

Need to hear something soon and more than Paint Party again. The heck is Rare doing?

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slayorofgods - 93 days ago

Natal is just an overly expensive overly developed version of Wii Ware. I don't see the elderly flocking to Microsoft to play wii fit ever. The only people that are excited about Natal are the same people that are always exited about 360 products. I have yet to meet one PS3 or Wii exclusive owner that even cares about Natal, meaning Microsoft is only preaching to the quire.

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edhe - 93 days 2 hours ago

As a hardcore gamer you wouldn't have a platform preference.

TrollFail.

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BrokenAnarchy - 93 days 4 hours ago

I think Sony won this round too since they demonstrated games on it, instead of just talking about it.

I know I'll probably get disagrees for this but..

I don't know about that Natal presentation.. It seemed like Hideo Kojima and Keiji Inafune were just reading off PR sheets, the whole thing felt scripted.

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K1W1 - 93 days 4 hours ago

Natal is working. It's been shown to the press and developers behind closed doors and featured in some TV shows.

Development kits have been shipped to Studios and from what we have been told most are working on games for it.

But Microsoft have been very quiet since the E3 unavailing. They hope that Natal will give the 360 some fresh legs going forward, witch it could do.

Some have noticed some minor lag in Natal's motion tracking, I would like to think that they are trying to iron out little things like that before any major public showings.

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edhe - 93 days 2 hours ago

They've been showing the same stuff since E3 though. Need to freshen it up.

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Bodyboarder_VGamer - 93 days 4 hours ago

Who are you talking to?

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v1c1ous - 93 days 4 hours ago

now i dunno if that sounded pro-sony or pro-ms....

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gamesR4fun - 93 days 4 hours ago

? can u elaborate..

i mean u talking about his comment? cause i didnt see anything ms that impressed me.

Sure we got the usual NA press makin a big deal about nothing i mean Natal what now...
The forza demo? Maybe ok def a lot closer to gta5 than anyone else but still not good enough. The game dont even touch prolog despite what Destructoid n the likes says.

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Kushan - 93 days 4 hours ago

So let me get this straight - Sony shows off the motion controller working with a first party game (littlebigplanet) and a third party game (resident evil 5) and it's all wonderful and brilliant and such.
But at E3, Microsoft shows Natal working with a first party game (that breakout style one) and a third party game (Burnout Paradise) and yet it's only "Possibility"?
As far as I can see, both companies are on equal footing. They've both demonstrated the technologies they have to offer, they've both got heavy industry support, there's not much left to "prove", all we can do is wait and see what the final products have to offer.

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K1W1 - 93 days 4 hours ago

"Sony gives us reality and micro gives us????????possibility?"

I also have to disagree with this comment, Microsoft have shown Natal working, playing games and navigating the 360 dashboard.

I'm positive that if Microsoft had a keynote at TGS they would have shown something similar to what Sony did.

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rockleex - 93 days 4 hours ago

That Sony showed their motion controller in use with hardcore applications.

While Microsoft has only shown Natal with casual experiences such as Breakout and Milo.

Even Burnout was "casualized" by taking away the amount of pressure you can put on the brake or gas pedal. You can only gas all the way or brake all the way, seeing as how Natal so far is still pretty inaccurate in estimating the location and movements of the player's limbs onto a virtual skeleton.

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gamesR4fun - 93 days 3 hours ago

show a damn thing at tgs why? they jus give up on Japan? then why even show up?

N natal e3 wasnt that impressive either as i recall it was more smoke and mirrors than substance 2.
I just wanna see this in action on a new ip using it for third party like burnout or lord forbid a fps is just plain bunk. No way would i play any of those games using that crap can u imagine running around n shootin in a fps.

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Vespertine - 93 days 4 hours ago

And by default, Sony would win.

And that's N4G for you.

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edhe - 93 days 2 hours ago

Well this site does appear to be overrun by a pro-sony contingent of commenters.

I'm sure the sane folk try not to bother anymore.

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edhe - 93 days 2 hours ago

The wand does look good, but it's the same vein as the wiimote. The step up that natal is is unprecedented. It reads you, your skeletal structure, your face not a controller input.

These articles are effectively moot as the devices are apples/oranges.

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killer_pwned89 - 93 days 4 hours ago

I wouldnt doubt it at all man probley the developers will release a patch for them. That would just be a waste of money and stupid to release a another version of the game with the motion control fuction enabled.

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Kushan - 93 days 4 hours ago

They would need a patch for sure. Remember, RE5 had no way of controlling your target other than the analogue sticks. this means that at best, Sony would have to map the motion control inputs to arbitrary analogue stick movement. Not as easy as it sounds and very...clumsy to use.
On the other hand, it's comparatively easy for Capcom to patch in the controls themselves, it's pretty easy to change one form of input to another when you have the source code handy.
On the other hand, something like Unreal Tournament MAY get away without a patch as you can fairly easily adapt motion controller stuff to mouse input, but once again it'd be "better" if it was patched into the game itself.

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peeps - 93 days 3 hours ago

"a.) It will work and won't break."

How do you know this? If you say because sony delivers quality hardware then fair enough. i believe they do however my 360 has died on me once and my ps3 has died on me once...

"b.) Get supported with QUALITY games for years."

Nothing certain yet and nothing suggests natal won't be heavily supported as well

"c.) Sony has been working with motion since the early 00's."

I was not aware of this. however natal isn't ms developed. it was a third party thing that could have easily have been picked up by sony, instead was used by ms.

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edhe - 93 days 2 hours ago

Actually natal was developed in-house. The company they bought was a business move to buy out patents etc to avoid issues going forward.

MS were doing motion control in the 90's - it just wasn't as good.

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v1c1ous - 93 days 4 hours ago

since they were the only ones who did a conference :p

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v1c1ous - 93 days 3 hours ago

year of the waggle

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Bubbles - 93 days 5 hours ago

lmaoo

Project Fatal

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 93 days 5 hours ago

LMFAO

Gabe, my friend, i would give you a hundred bubbles for that if i could.

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FiftyFourPointTwo - 93 days 5 hours ago

Gabe, I just want to say that I totally agree with you about Natal:

"The game is controlling you instead of you controlling the game."
:)

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xcox - 93 days 5 hours ago

project anal + FPS is is the dumbest sh!t i've seen in my entire gaming life

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Sir Ken_Kutaragi - 93 days 4 hours ago

But i bet you if M$ make Halo:Natal the ChatBots will Lap it up even if it looks that Stupid!!! ;-D

I'm not really into this Motion Control thing, but if anyone can make it good then SONY can;)

Bubbles4all;)

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 93 days 5 hours ago

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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helghan666 - 93 days 4 hours ago

only fats americans kids play halo.,..

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NecrumSlavery - 93 days 2 hours ago

Natal is just a beefed up pseyetoy. Nothing more. Except unlike the eyetoy it's a little longer with two cameras.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 93 days 4 hours ago

I had to break up with her..

I couldn't stand to even look in your mothers obese eyes anymore.

:)

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PowerOfGreenBoogers - 93 days 4 hours ago

I didn't know that Canadian guy was dating your mom. I guess should start calling him dad then and listen to him when he tells you put away your brokebox 360.

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talltony - 93 days 4 hours ago

You impregnate a troll you have a troll. Thats just how the world works. Corey is the biggest troll I have ever seen!

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Thoreau - 93 days 3 hours ago

not a personal pic of you and your lady?????

i don't even know how to find pics like that but you do?

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GamingSucksNow - 93 days 2 hours ago

You mean like M$ whole sad foray attempt into this market ;)

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 93 days 4 hours ago

Honest question here..

What's with you and the pictures of morbidly obese women?
Not just this thread either.You post them ALL the time.

Some sort of sick twisted fetish or something?

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dustgavin - 93 days 2 hours ago

It's called too much free time, access to his mom's private photo stash, and the school scanner.

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GamingSucksNow - 93 days 2 hours ago

But just think about this way, without a controller, you can now shove your hand up your own butt from boredom :)

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dustgavin - 93 days 2 hours ago

Can't get too much worse than these two Halo games!
Halo:ODST-85 http://www.metacritic.com/g...
Halo Wars-82 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

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