Square: Want more Chrono Trigger? Buy More!

animboo - 207 days 14 hours ago

their was a time that it wasnt always about the money for square, it was all about the fans and producing great games, sad that i cant say that for the square now.

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Montrealien - 207 days 13 hours ago

The reason final Fantasy exist is because of the money, and there was not a care free time where square was doing games just for the people. Get that fairy tale make belief time out of your head. Square was going to close if FF1 did not sell well, they would not of continued and kept on making games if they did not sell, cause the fans wanted them. If you think these companies would keep on making games all while they where losing money all the time just to keep their beloved fans happy, you are wrong. And it makes complete sense to say that they would of made a new chrono trigger if the DS re-release would of sold well. Why would they want to make a franchise that has been selling less and less since the first one?

I think in the end it just proves that the Vocal minority on the internet don't have a the buying power, just a b*tching and praising power.

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SpoonyRedMage - 207 days 13 hours ago

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say Montrealian. bubbles up.

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Montrealien - 207 days 13 hours ago

hehe, yeah, didoh.

you know, I bet most people sitting at there computers here criticizing Square never even bought either Chrono Triger or Chrono cross. Ah the interwebs and its idiot savants.

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SpoonyRedMage - 207 days 12 hours ago

There's also the problem that many people reject sequels. Look at how many people irrationally hate Chrono Cross and nothing tells me that a new one would be any better recieved.

Even a jump from 2D to 3D can put off people, as is the case with the new Golden Sun. Many people don't like the look of it because it's 3D.

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Montrealien - 207 days 12 hours ago

Looking back at it, I think chrono Cross was one of the better PS1 RPGs, at the time I was also a tad disappointed but it was a very good game, Chrono Trigger was such a pinnacle game on the SNES for so many people I don't think anything could of topped it.

People have to accept change, I hate this attitude of the so called "purists" that think a game should always play like it did there first time playing it, it's like the crack head saying I want that same high I git the first time I smoked crack...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! lol

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IntelligentAj - 207 days 12 hours ago

Maybe I'm in the minority but I enjoyed Chrono Cross more than Chrono Trigger and I would definitely buy Chrono Cross if they Re-released it. Hell I bought FF7 on PSN even though I have my original game discs for PS1. Unfortunately most people choose to complain about the game instead of going out and actually buying it.

And 100% agreed Montrealian

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iamtehpwn - 207 days 11 hours ago

I BOUGHT:
Final Fantasy VII
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children on DVD
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete + Final Fantasy XIII trial set
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (I want my money back on that one).
Final Fantasy VII on PSN

and you STILL HAVENT remade FFVII.
so F*** YOU!

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vhero - 207 days 10 hours ago

Well how about they release it on a gaming console? I mean the DS is the most pirated machine of the lot and as much as they have sold RPG players tend to not buy them as younger and and more general audiences buy DS not hardcore gamers...

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Godmars290 - 207 days 9 hours ago

Put the DS version on PSN/XBL day one, then if you don't get good sales, you have a right to bit*h Hashimoto.

D*ck us around on which HD console its on though, you lose that right.

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Matpan - 207 days ago

Thinking there was a time when it was not about the money for a company is delusional... Companies need to mantain employees and other costs in order to keep running, so it has ALWAYS been (at least partially) about the money :P

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zlatko - 206 days 20 hours ago

So every game has to sell like Halo3 and Gears2 in sales for it to be worthy of a sequel or remake?

I mean look at something like Killzone 1 to Killzone 2. That was time and money WELL spent on something that was not a great success at the first attempt.

I can predict a game of that stature in the future. Dead Space 1 I bet didn't sell remarkably, but the reviews and the praise it has will merit it for a sequel.

Square needs to realize if their REVIEWS for games were solid and they made enough to break even on what they spent to make it, then make a sequel.

Do they think FF franchise would've been a success if they just stopped at say FF3 because it sold less than what they wanted? Come the f*ck on. Take one for the team and PROVE to us what BS you are spewing is true. Make a new Chrono game, for PS3 only and back it up like you do the FF franchise. Guarantee you will have a system seller. Guaranteed.

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LionMCK - 206 days 23 hours ago

Yeah and all the hardcore gamers who grew up with Chrono Trigger/Cross and are requesting sequels are the SAME PEOPLE who own the DS- a portable system that is aimed towards preteens. Right Square? RIGHT? And I'm sure all they wanted was a rehashed game. RIGHT? Good work Square, nice to know you've thought this whole thing out.

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qface64 - 207 days 19 hours ago

chrono trigger on PSN/XBL is ok
but chrono trigger on DS is all of a sudden bad?
what? .___.

if your going by pricing then i agree
but something tells me that's not the case

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 15 hours ago

It's full of crap yes .that's what it is .
They kept the franchise dead for long , long enough so some fan could finally start a full on 3d remake that looked great and pro . And what did they do ? Did they tried enrolling those guys ?
Did they try taking their work , build up upon it and release a new shiony 3d remake ?

No they killed it instead , and did nothing for even more years .
They didnt release the game on psn or or VC ...

They decided that it would go like this "hey you !! remember when you bought the snes version then the psx versions ? how about i release the snes version + the PSX's cutscenes , along with some touch gimmick and a new crappy dungeon , and you buy it !!!"

Well like i said from the very beginning SCREW YOU (SE that is of course)

They know they're going to do something with it , once they run out of franchise to milk .
Look at Front mission , pretty much everyone could expect it to be dead or remain dormant for quite a while ... yet they somehow manage to pull a new one .... as some Armored core/gundam clone..

It's obvious that whatever that ds game ends up selling , CT will always be considered for a new milking plan . It's that much easier than trying to create new ips

PS :

I dont want a vagrant story without Matsuno . They'd just crap all over it make it an easy game , add some silly romance or new trendy qte stuff .
One glance at the boring looking NIER tells me what would vagrant story 2 be like .

And giving their attitude , i dont even believe anymore in the potential of a Chrono trigger 3 titles without both the original trigger team and the Chrono Cross team .

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UltimateIdiot911 - 207 days 15 hours ago

I agree. SE has the potential to milk FFVII even more but they aren't. Instead, they keep telling their fans no after no even after a really beautiful tech demo. Let's look another 6 or so years down the line. If SE is still around and once they are out of ideas, make the FFVII remake. I'm not sure how many of us are still going to buy it compare to how many will buy it now.

I wish SE understands that opportunities don't like to knock more than once. If it does, I suggest SE answer it.

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SpoonyRedMage - 207 days 14 hours ago

It's not full of crap though. If they let the fan remake go it would have shown their not protecting their copyright. Which is bad. If they took the remake and tried to improve it they'd have to take up to modern standards and that'd cost money. The game wouldn't sell, they'd most likely lose money.(fan remakes and proper remakes are held to different standards).

That's the point, sure whilst the DS remake can be considered milking(it's really not to me because it's the first time it's been released in Europe, ya know the biggest region in gaming?).

Right so if they made a new Chrono game would anyone be happy if they didn't have the budget of a FF or KH? and if they were trying to get the remnants of the CT team back they'd have to get Kitase, Horii and Akira Toriyama away from FFXIII and Dragon Quest. That'd annoy people as well...

Then if that didn't sell they'd lose loads of money and be behind in their other work. It's a business, not a service.

Sure it may be "milking" but it's gauging interest for the series and obviously the interest isn't there so they're not going to waste money just to have a bunch of idiots saying they ruined the franchise or some sh*t.

EDIT: Yer and if they did reamke FFVII everyone would whine that their milking it and can't do anything original, you know ignoring all their new IPs and just generally whine because that's what people do. whine, whine, whine.

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STK026 - 207 days 14 hours ago

Spoony, I understand what you mean. However, it's somewhat cheap of SE to ask people who already have the game (from it's previous releases) to buy what is almost a direct port, telling them that if they don't, they won't get a sequel. I mean, the game is great, but is it really worth buying 3 times?

And as for Europe, which never saw a release before, people had like 15 years to get it on an emulator, I know it's not right, but if SE decided for 15 years to screw Europe by not giving it a snes game, it truly is their problem. You can't expect people to wait in anticipation for a game for so long.

And sales would probably be slightly better had SE actually actively promoted the game, however, they decided to put some ads on gaming websites. They pretty much aimed their campaign at Chrono trigger fans....who already own the game.

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STK026 - 207 days 14 hours ago

yeah, if enough people buy the PSX game on PSN, they'll most likely see that fans want to see more in the FF7 Universe, announce a remake, a multiplatform one at that, maybe even for 360/PC/PS3/PS2/Wii/DS/PSP, but only expect the 360/PC versions to actually come out in a reasonnable amount of time.

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UltimateIdiot911 - 207 days 14 hours ago

No idea, I guess people just prefers to play it on their PS3 or 360. I actually don't see much point in porting Snes games, PS1 yes.

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qface64 - 207 days 14 hours ago

they would just put it on wiiware so i dunno why people say that?

i mean you don't and won't ever see any ps1 games on wiiware or XBL right it would just be on PSN

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 14 hours ago

It's a psx game too albeit a remake , and some of did mention VC as well .

With so litle change to the game what's the point besides pure greed ? Just release it on each or at least one console's classic library .
Hell it could have been a perfect fit for VC on the dsi .

This isnt a why isnt it on "my platform" kind of silly fanboy stuff ... it's a matter of that dev not handling one of his best game with the respect it deserves . Hell on a console that housed such good recent 3d FF remake , it's disgusting .

They didnt even bother cleaning up the 2d a bit

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hay - 207 days 14 hours ago

CT was ported from Snes to PS1, so they can port PS1 to PSN/Live. I would actually prefer to play it on my home console since I'm not much into portable gaming.

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qface64 - 207 days 14 hours ago

what seriously?
i always thought this was already on the VC?
it does seem like a game that would go there im surprised it isn't on their yet

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 13 hours ago

Square and a few others play a little game that isnt cute anymore . they often withdraw they biggest stuff from VC consoles and equivalents , so they could pump out more ports , remake or spin offs .

Hell ff7 took a long time to come on PSN , as they probably considered a remake somewhere . My bet is they decided they could always release it , do a spin off again , release a portable remake , then a sequel or a home consoles next gen remake , whenever in dire need of cash .

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KKanjiAnkh - 207 days 11 hours ago

Why is Castlevania Symphony of the Night on XBox Live hmmmmm, or Ikaruga for that matter!

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SpoonyRedMage - 207 days 14 hours ago

No, that's the point. People didn't buy it on the SNES, PS1 or DS. All three times it sold quite badly. That's the reasons there's not a new one.

@V: If they let the fan remakes go ahead it shows their not protecting their copyright in which case anyoen could do what they want with SE's copyright.

So that's their true face, a company that doesn't want to be used and abused.

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hay - 207 days 14 hours ago

Actually I won't buy any CTs anymore after all fan-made projects/remakes received C&D. And now we can see Square's true face.

"Buy more and maybe we can produce something for you. No more freebies for you, no matter if we did it or other people. No money for us = death to the project."

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Guy169 - 207 days 14 hours ago

@ SpoonyRedMage - Chrono Trigger on SNES and PS1 (combined) sold >2 millions in Japan.

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 14 hours ago

What point ? it wouldnt and didnt attract new fans . Why would a kid or new player buy it ?
at first glance any game made for the DS or properly remade for it looks better , and that glance is enough to seal it's fate .

Old time fans then ?
There is only so many time a fan can rebuy the same game without even once a remake so far .
Of course there is always "that audience who heard of the game but couldnt play it before or always wanted to" , but it's so sparse , and even so that version of the game with so little worth would fail to attract them .

If they wanted both that new audience and the old one , they should have worked on first improving the looks , be it like FFIII and IV in 3d , or an upgraded 2d engine . Then figure out some real content and changes .

PS : WTH anyway , Chrono trigger sold well on Snes , in japan it only went below the FFVI juggernaut , and in usa it did a Solid 300k performance as opposed as the FFIII(FFVI) housename with around 800k ..

The psx version crashed and burn , because they pulled the same crap that with today's DS version . Already a port with no worthwhile change , and worse with loading issues .

PS2 : no one is arguing that they didnt have the right to shut down the fanmade stuff . But they were harsher than even Marvel or Bandai (remember they killed that quake fps dbz mode wich look a look like what tenkaichi did) , wich is a quite high level .

But the most important point , is that it showed people cared and wanted a chrono game , it showed them what could be done with it .
ut here they are they secure it as within their rights .... but sit on it .

Just like they will probably do with Xenogears , until the dreaded day , they decide it's time for their take on an official sequel .
And then we'll be lucky if it aint some fps or more action gundam stuff .

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Guy169 - 207 days 14 hours ago

here're the sales btw:

http://www.square-enix.com/...

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Montrealien - 207 days 12 hours ago

Baka said...

"The psx version crashed and burn , because they pulled the same crap that with today's DS version . Already a port with no worthwhile change , and worse with loading issues . "

This PSX version? You know, a game they worked really hard on because of the first's success yet didn't even sell half as much as the original?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/...

with all do respect baka, you are taking things way out of proportion, the world is not just black and white, I'm sorry. All these great classics your are referring to, XenoGears, FF7 ect, are games that where very much enjoyed at the time and it will always stay that way, any worthwhile sequel to theese great games are just icing on the cake imho. There is no need to expect anything from those games.

P.S. 300k in NA is solid for what is considered one of the best JRPGS ever made? the majority of JRPGs don't sell, an we expect square to keep dishing out new ones all the time an lose money every time? Talk about flawed logic.

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 4 hours ago

Uh ?
Montrealien , back then us version of jrpg werent at all the "big" market it became on psx and later .
Besides household names such as Final fantasy , whenever they were even released (again final fantasy Vi was like the 3rd us one ?) it hardly went beyond what Crono trigger did in usa , wich is a little below half FFVi's us sales .

And it japan it sold quite well . Between FF5 and FF6's figures .

"This PSX version? You know, a game they worked really hard on because of the first's success yet didn't even sell half as much as the original?
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WTH are you on ? i'm talking about CHRONO TRIGGER , not chrono cross (wich i adore btw) . CT's psx version was the same game with Animated cutscenes and issues like loading times .

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ExcelKnight - 206 days 21 hours ago

Montrealien, you really need to check facts a second time.

Chrono Trigger was a SNES game that was ported to the PSOne with horrid results. Chrono Cross, which you have in your post, is a game that took another Squaresoft game's storyline (Radical Dreamers) and made it fit with the Chrono Trigger story.

Anyway, 300K for a port is a pretty solid showing, considering how it's a port. If Square Enix isn't happy with those numbers, they should've remade the game instead and actually marketed it like they did FFIII and FFIVDS.

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Black Maverick - 207 days 13 hours ago

You should warn people when you post stuff like that. I just ruined a perfectly nice white shirt with all the orange soda I spit out after watching that.

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Baka-akaB - 207 days 14 hours ago

The platform wasnt the issue . it would have been worse on psp actually

Remember than people play psx and snes emu on it . Sp they'd spit on that particular version .

It's just too little to late to make new people care about a franchise that old IF you do no put some effort into it , either in the game , or a whole marketing plan around it , like an anime , manga serie .

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Montreafart - 207 days 12 hours ago

And while its a good title, you cannot expect people to buy your old games everytime you put it in a new coat.

Chrono trigger on the DS is irrelevant since the game has come out on SUPER NINTENDO, Playstation 1 and is downloaded a thousand times on the PC by emulator users.

Everyone and his dog has this game. Why should they go out and buy another version? The pool of money is limited but there are a SHIATLOAD of good games to pick and chose from.

I rather have another good game than a game I already own on the SNES.

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hatchimatchi - 206 days 23 hours ago

Well technically it is the "definitive" version, it contains all the cutscenes from the psx version and it has a bonus dungeon (which ive never used) and it has art galleries and whatnot, but i agree completely with you. 850k and they still want more? This game was probably nothing but profit, i cant imagine the development time for this took long. But who honestly waits and hope for great square games? Besides ff13 of course. Square is becoming extremely irrelevant. Western developers are basically taking over the rpg market and level-5 is shaping up to be a big player in rpg's.

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