150°

Aaron Greenberg - Project Natal Works In The Dark

Part 2 of Gamertag Radio's exclusive video interview with Aaron Greenberg from Microsoft. Today he talks about Project Natal and how this camera also works in the dark.

Read Full Story >>
gamertagradio.com
KingKionic 5464d ago

kudos for Aaron green burg .

Anon19745464d ago

That would be handy. I use a HD projector for my gaming so the room has to be more or less as dark as I can make it. I was worried about if this would work in low light conditions.

Now let's see how they put it to use in actual gaming. That's what it all boils down to.

ShabzS5464d ago

didnt they say this already ... it runs on infra red or something

MazzingerZ5464d ago

the only problem is that it costs 200 USD LOL

Why dis5464d ago

He has look on his face like back the Fck off with the abnormal pessimistic criticism, I'm not just talking about Natal but 360 being maxed out, 360 has nothing and the fanboys in general.

iamtehpwn5464d ago

Lies and Secrecy work best in the dark.
Just ask my girlfriend.
erm..ex*
:]

Kushan5464d ago

"the only problem is that it costs 200 USD LOL[citation needed]"

Fixed that for you.

TomVanDamm5464d ago

It has to work in the dark, what better way to hide the M$ employee controlling the alleged AI character.

360FTW25464d ago

Somebody call the Whaaaaaaaambulance!

uie4rhig5464d ago

i wud guess they're using something like a night vision filter.. either way, would defo be cool if it worked 100% in the dark!
i wonder tho how much of Milo is true coz every one of MS people is like "omgs!!! it works" but well, it has been proven that it's not 100% real, most likely all of it is acted! either way, props to peter molyneux's team if they get it to work 100% like in the final build!

greeetzz

+ Show (7) more repliesLast reply 5464d ago
Senden5464d ago

Even as an xbox fan but seriously, who gives a flying f**k? I'm really starting to see where the hatred towards xbox comes from... they really need to get some better PR people.

green5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

huh! what did he say that was so offensive?

EDIT@ Why o why: Honestly i think you guys invest too much time in the gaming industry that you guys don't realize that what all these guys say about one another is standard industry practice.

"Porsche accused the Japanese auto maker of perpetrating fraud by using non-standard, semi-slick tires when it was unable to come close to Nissan's lap time"

"in a statement that cheekily recommended following proper break-in procedures and offered to give all prospective GT-R owners as well as auto manufacturers GT-R driving lessons." http://www.worldcarfans.com... I actually have the magazine where Nissans CEO said that they are willing to give Porsche drivers driving lessons so that they can achieve those lap[times in their GTR.Has Aaron Greenburg said anything that terrible?

Now guess what, Car enthusiast just laugh over the whole drams and are waiting to see the real victor.WHy can't so called gamers be like that?Don't even pretend to say you would have hated him as much if he worked for Sony.Afterall sony fanboy's love Ken Kutaragi and Aaron Greenburg does not hold a candle to Ken when it comes to talking sh*t.

Why o why5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

its wrong to judge people on their faces but i think its his face he doesnt like plus the fact that he more often than not has the competitions name in his mouth a lot. We know his job is to 'big up' but he doesnt need to 'put down' as much as he does. Can you believe this guy said the ps3 sales were hemorrhaging..Anyway its fine that he's selling a product...ive no issue with that at all just the other stuff that people used to label sony 'arrogant' for yet turn a blind eye when he's the offender.

Ill just take his speak for what it is....speak...nothing offensive. Ill judge natal when its released.

Milky Joe5464d ago

Standard or not, it doesn't mean you have to like the guy. It's standard practice in warfare to kill other people, doesn't mean you have to like it.

Anyway, on topic, the fact that it works in the dark really isn't that impressive. It's just using IR. Who plays in the dark anyway? It's bad for your eyes.

edgeofblade5464d ago

"who gives a flying f**k"

Well, people who tried to use eyetoy in anything other than a perfectly lit soundstage... that's who.

Anyone who claims Natal is nothing more than a copycat eyetoy has no clue what they are talking about. Eyetoy is a USB camera and a microphone... and nothing more. The software analyzes movement on a 2d image sent from the camera and filters out everything else it deems to have not moved. Then, it passes the coordinates of movement in a 2 dimensional array for processing.

Natal, from what I ascertain, detects movement not from ambient light but by scanning the space in front of the camera using the infrared light it emits itself. That's significant. This allows it to calculate the rough geometry of a person's body or anything else in front of the camera. This means, Natal works no matter how the room is lit... unlike eyetoy, which is notoriously finicky.

Let me put that in laymans terms. Eyetoy = 2D camera. Natal = 3D camera. There is nothing Eyetoy could do to become a 3D camera. It will not work, and no amount of faith in Sony will make the impossible possible.

Why o why5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

you said

Why o why: Honestly i think you guys invest too much time in the gaming industry that you guys don't realize that what all these guys say about one another is standard industry practice

but i already said

Anyway its fine that he's selling a product...ive no issue with that at all just the other stuff that people used to label sony 'arrogant' for yet turn a blind eye when he's the offender.

Ill just take his speak for what it is....speak...nothing offensive. Ill judge natal when its released.

Ill add that just because others do it doesnt make it right. Thats not the way to live or a good impression to set by any org. I dont like it if sony nintendo nike porche mcvities rolex do it. It just lacks class BUT again, ive no issue with what he's said here but his name is tainted because of his flappy arrogant mouth. Good luck if the camera can see in the dark.....thats really not the issue i first see when i see the camera.... Its almost like saying this car can reach 220mph but we cant find the wheels to fit it. The tech is ambitious but definitely not pioneering. What will be the acid test is its application. Can you actually play games on this apart from the casual ones?? How much will it cost?? How long will it take before its in our hands??. nightvision is really not that high up on my questions list.

About ken....Even though he has been at the top, you know actually WON a console war, been a champ (IF there needs to be 1 winner) he is/was still arrogant...I dont like it. Stop flipping it into a sony MS thing because i feel u can be above that. It doesnt matter who's done what first arrogance is arrogance and saying ken said x amount of BS and saying nothing like that about AG is very hypocritical, why one rule for one and another for somebody else

@edgeofblade

eyetoy is the old one...its the pseye now, its...you know...for this gens ps

Milky Joe5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

EdgeofBlade, are you talking about the PS2 Eyetoy? Because, yeah, that was a bit pants. But then you'd expect that from last gen tech. And yeah, the PS Eye doesn't do 3D, but the Motion Controllers do.

EDIT: Hmm, seems someone disagrees that the PS2 Eye Toy wasn't all that great. We have a PS2 fanboy in the house. XD

Cenobia5464d ago

The PS3 motion controller showed someone controlling objects in 3D space. Also the sword shield thing seemed 3D. He was pointing the sword with surprising accuracy.

I'm not saying your wrong or anything, I'm just saying a lot of the power behind something like this comes from the software. Sony is still using the eyetoy to manipulate things in 3D space despite it being a 2D camera. Also I assume the lights on the PS3 motion controller cure the eyetoy darkness issue.

Anyway, I'm just a Natal pessimist I guess. I don't really see a whole lot of 'hardcore' gaming applications. The little ad they showed totally made me hate it. Nobody wants to drive a car without a steering wheel, and having someone else change the tire in that mini game made me throw up in my mouth a little. The menu applications and voice commands were cool, but I'll have to see a game use it to get my head around it I guess.

+ Show (4) more repliesLast reply 5464d ago
xabmol5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

Just to LOL xD

Pennywise5464d ago

Did he say: "It's definitely never been done before"??? Talking about controller free gaming?

Its one thing to be oblivious to the rest of the gaming world. Its another thing to be so ignorant as one of the heads of MS PR to not acknowledge that Sony did this on the PS2 and they are just expanding on it. Grrenturd FTL.

ShabzS5464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

i think when he says controller free gaming he means it... for eg.. turn the console on ... stand in front of ur console get signed in after natal recognises u ... select the game/ option from nxe (minority report style) ... start the game ... and start play... all done without using a controller ... when he means controller free gaming it REALLY is controller free

rawd5464d ago

OMG huge news from Turdman

Godmars2905464d ago (Edited 5464d ago )

Wonder how many accidents thats going to cause :p

Seriously though, they haven't given a release date for it, yet I understand they've already sent out kits just like Sony has?

Kushan5464d ago

If they've JUST sent out kits, chances are any games that are really going to make use of it are only in the planning stages. Right now, all the top devs are probably playing with it to see what it can do and how they could incorporate it into their games.

Cenobia5464d ago

I was thinking the exact same thing. If people break TV's with a wiimote what will happen with multiple people flailing themselves around a room?

Two player 'Ricochet' just conjures images of people colliding into each other and accidentally slapping each other in the face.

Show all comments (49)
120°

Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

Read Full Story >>
gamesradar.com
1nsomniac22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay55m ago(Edited 54m ago)

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai12h ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19723h ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

-Foxtrot2h ago

@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19723h ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation29m ago(Edited 28m ago)

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 29m ago
XiNatsuDragnel20h ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz1h ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay1h ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

60°

The Digital Dragons 2024 conference event was a huge success story

"Three days filled with specialist lectures delivered by almost 200 speakers, three thematic summits, and over 2600 guests from almost every corner of the world - the capital of Małopolska became the capital of the games industry for a few days.

Organized by the Krakow Technology Park, the Digital Dragons Conference once again showed that Poland is attracting more and more attention from the world's biggest industry tycoons for a reason." - Digital Dragons.

210°

Atari has acquired the Intellivision brand, ending the first ever console war

Atari has acquired Intellivision. The company announced today that it had acquired its long-time rival, ending one of the original console rivalries, dating back to the 1970s.

Read Full Story >>
videogameschronicle.com
darthv721d 2h ago

Wow.... two of my earliest gaming platforms. All they need is Coleco to round things out.

This is like Nintendo buying SEGA.

OtterX1d ago

YES! Colecovision was my start! I came to know Mario there in Donkey Kong before the NES was even a thing. :)

Golfcoachh21h ago

Yes such fond memories. My first was the odyssey, but I really started gaming on my colecovision. Had atari and intelivision but coleco was by far the best of the bunch to me.

Kratos_Kart200721h ago

Yes...a gamer from my era...LMAO

Coleco was good...LOL

shinoff218315h ago

Mine was atari. You guys go back further then me even

anast1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Good piece of history here.

edit: I wanted to read it but the cookies pop up is stopping me.

badboyz091d 1h ago

This was just before my time. I do remember my mom's friend having one all dusty in her apartment back in the day.

[R.I.P.} Ms. Irene

Abear211d 1h ago

People forget that console wars are part of the history of this industry. The console wars were started by competitive companies all the way back then and continued through Sega vs Nintendo, Jaguar/3DO/NeonGeo, and PlayStation vs Nintendo and Xbox.

These companies are across oceans and competing for the same business. These companies created the console wars, not crazy fanboys.

anast23h ago

Console wars are fun. It's fun to be a fanboy too. I don't get what's wrong with any of this as entertainment.

darthv7223h ago

Young kid school yard banter was fun. 30-40+ year olds still doing it is just disturbing. Many my age (50+) grew out of that a long time ago. We may still have our preferences, but we also embrace a more central position because there is a lot to enjoy on a wide range of genres and systems.

You'll understand one day and then things will forever change.

shinoff218315h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Atari to nes. Mario bros hooked me

anast1h ago

@Darth

Yes, I'd like to think 'we' take a central position most of the time, at work, at the grocery, mundane interactions in the world, with our health habits, and so on. Sure, reaching the Aristotelian middle is a great thing, but so is having a few hobbies in which we don't have to be this way, and as long as there's transparency, which is key, they can be considered a category of 'socially acceptable' fun not completely limited to age. Of course, there are extreme circumstances, but to blanket the whole idea of fun with only extreme cases and age is a bit juvenile.

Also, as I've been doing this living thing, I've found that age isn't a necessary perquisite for wisdom, though, it does affect taste.

anast1h ago

@Shin
Mario pulled me in, but Mega Man hooked me. We even used to LARP it. Good 'ol days.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 1h ago
Petebloodyonion20h ago

The only thing back then was that the game would still appear on competing platforms.
Remember the Coleco Vision could play Atari2600 games via an Expansion modude.

jznrpg1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

I had both. Snafu on Intellivision was addicting as hell. Also had Colecovision which had Time Pilot. Combat was probably my favorite Atari game and both Atari and Intellivision had similar games like Pitfall and Jungle Hunt. It’s been so long I don’t really remember which game I liked bettter out of those but I did play my Intellivision a bit more than Atari though I’m not sure why besides Snafu. That was 40+ years ago damn I’m old lol

Dagexon23h ago

Ahh you're making me all nostalgic! Not old enough to have played these on original hardware but my first console was a bootleg console from Costco that had a bunch of intellivision and atari games. Then had a lot of fun with intellivision and atari collections on ps1 and 2.
Snafu was one of my favourite games and me and my partner still occasionally play it to this day

Show all comments (33)