Lionhead's Project Natal demo was fake?

Spong: "Remember at about 1:55 in the Lionhead video of Project Natal, Peter Molyneux (now creative director at Microsoft Game Studios) points out "This wasn't acted"? If you don't, the video is below. Well, maybe that particular moment of goggle throwing wasn't.

What's interesting, however, is that Peter also points out (1:58) that "Everybody, every single person, that has experienced this reaches down (to catch the goggles that Milo throws)". Sure, this demo featuring uncanny Milo was obviously run hundreds of times with various staff members before being rolled out in front of the E3 crowds. That said, then, we can't be expected to believe that this is the first time that 'Claire' stood in front of the virtual lad. Something rankled...

Fast forward to 2:36 on the video, where Claire (or Clare) plays with the water. The reflection of Clare on screen shows her arms in roughly the correct positions in respect to real Clare. The water seems to be moving based in her hand movements. However, keep watching to the point (2:37) where she appears to make a rippled appear on the left-hand side of the screen. Real Clare's arms are almost crossed in front of her. 'Reflected' Clare's arms are spread out. Even more startling is the fact that (see the screenshot) the ripple begins before Clare begins her gesture."

[GWAVE]

I'm glad people are taking a closer look at Project Natal instead of praising it instantly. Not only does Natal fail to do anything "new" that Eye hasn't already done or isn't already capable of, but their "live" gameplay demonstrations were sorely lacking.

Go back and watch the "live" demonstrations of Natal. Go do it. Their demonstrations were rough at best, and downright embarrassing at worst. "You ever seen the bottom of an Avatar's shoe? BAM there it is!" is on-par with Sony's "Giant enemy crabs!" debacle, and the part where the guy "paints" (read: flings inaccurate globs of color) was equally embarrassing.

Everything "cool" they showed off was through a pre-made trailer. Sony's motion control wand looked incredibly stupid, but at least they showed off the functionality LIVE.

[Johnny Rotten]

This is a quote from a Kotaku preview:

"Milo walked up to me and complimented me on my blue shirt (my shirt was indeed blue). Then he stood there, waiting for me to say things. There was a little awkwardness here. The Milo demo was partially being manipulated by a developer who was sitting nearby, and I couldn't tell if he was merely calibrating the game or how much he was pulling its strings". http://kotaku.com/5275204/t...

Coming from Kotaku that's saying a lot.

[xwabbit]

What had i said ? even if MS didn't have anything to show they would invent something just to look pro.

This is MS......... yeah Boy! Milo is RealZ, we'll be getting it to work properly by the next xbox! we wanna release it like all our games!, glitchy and with probs !

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Gwave, you are the first to comment on almost every Natal article.
Your frustration is showing :)

[chaosatom]

Natal doesnt seem to be THAT great....If you listen to the GiantBombcast they talk about developers getting to go "behind closed doors" to see Natal and the "Milo" demo... it was pretty much fake. This is all stuff they say i am not making it up go listen to their "day 3 bombcast". They say they heard there was a guy off screen controlling a lot of it with a controller, (see you DO need buttons!), and Milo apparently doesn't understand what she is saying to him word wise, (so much for voice recognition!), it just understood inflection of her voice - which the ps3 eye COULD be programmed to do. Plus lots of obvious gaffs that show it was a staged demo like: the scan of the skateboard by the kid... umm his hands were in the way; facial recognition for your avatar: the kudo guy had sun glasses on and so it shouldn't have worked, heck facial recognition tech cant work if your smiling (look up on a search engine about why you cant smile on drivers license photos anymore); then he lifts his shoe the avatar was all bent wrong and freaking out, if you cant get a simple avatar to turn how will that work in a real game? the guy "putting a tire on the race car", that was totally uninteractive and didnt look fun, he just put his hands up and it put on a tire.... the ps3 demo looked way better for games. -thought that I share this comment that someone else gave.

[JokesOnYou]

"However, keep watching to the point (2:37) where she appears to make a rippled appear on the left-hand side of the screen. Real Clare's arms are almost crossed in front of her."

Oh come on I actually watch it 3 times and couldn't see what their talking about. Looks fine to me, but their saying its pre-recorded, if so why wouldn't all her movements be very well rehearsed, its not like it was a faced paced demo.

I guess Steven Speilburg and all the media who seen it first hand are paid off.

I guess we'll see in the coming weeks, months when we see Natal doing more live demonstrations.

JOY

[Rigmaster]

It should be obvious why Nintendo turned this junk down that Microsoft is now trying to fool the gaming world with.

Project Natal == Project Fake

[AAACE5]

Obviously it is a fake! They only worked on it for a couple of months, so there is no way that they could have got that much done, and have it work that perfectly. But it does show you what they are trying to do and how they are trying to innovate and come up with different things.

You Ps3 fanboys can hate on it as much as you want, but this year MS showed that they are trying to do different things, and Sony mainly tried to show charts and graphs that nobody but fanboys care about.

Like it or not, Peter Molyneux is aiming at becoming MS' version of Shigeru Miyamoto. His ambitions are usually too big, but he will help push the industry foward.

[TheTwelve]

...Microsoft can't influence EVERY media outlet. There are still going to be people that look at Natal for what it is---that being "not much".

A Wii wannabe device on a system supposedly for mature and hardcore gamers won't cut it, and I'm entirely not surprised that they faked and rushed plenty of the showcase to make up for their otherwise completely lame E3 2009 showing.

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[Rigmaster]

"You Ps3 fanboys can hate on it as much as you want"

Love it!

No one is hating on it, everyone is laughing at it and Microsoft's retarded attempt at fooling the gaming world with old EyeToy style tech and faked demos.

Something isn't innovative just because your company has nothing else to hype.

[360FTW2]

This sh!t is so funny, boy you ps3 fans are going nuts over this natal stuff. The thought that it will work just scares the pants off you guys. Otherwise why make such a big deal about it. All the people out there that says it works and it's cool you guys call it a lie. But the minute someone says it's fake you guys all chime in with you inexperience and uneducated opinions on the technology.

Have we forgotten that sony's motion technology has already been done by nintendo? Incase you have forgotten, it's called a wiimote.

This GWAVE cat is loosing his sanity whining about it. I saw nothing embarrassing about the Natal demonstration. When Killzone first came out, I didn't hear you complaining that they were using CG instead of live gameplay. Sudden, Microsoft does a demo of technology that is still in works and you call fake because it wasn't live. Well guess what, Sony's demo had flaws too, remember when the guy that obviously plays with the motion controller on a regular bases could hit the ball to save his life; and when he did hit it, it was by accident.

That tells me that the Sony motion tech, could possible be difficult to use. I mean it was 1 to 1 movement and he still couldn't hit the ball, and we all know he practiced it a millions times before going live.

I guess all of this stuff is up for debate, but you guys act as if whatever you say has to be law all others should be ignored.

WHATEVER!

[chaosatom]

Yeah, Everyone's A-ok with that.

Lets ignore it and move on and pretend that MS never tried to pull a wool over people's eyes. /sarcasm.

[WonderboyIII]

would you want this to be fake? or real?
As a fanboy, you would want this to be fake, as a gamer you would hope the demo was true. Allot of sources have confirmed it. Offcourse its not a full blown AI system and no said it is. But it is something new, and exciting and if worked well, we, gamers, will have a blast. Always be optimisitc in terms of new innovations, dont be skeptical too much, just wait and be patient for more information to come out.

[TheTwelve]

Sony using cgi to display the original Killzone 2 WAS lame.

Sony making a fake blog to hype up their own products WAS lame.

There's no shame in calling something what it is. But I daresay that this crap is worse than the above two examples because Microsoft and their media cronies were harping about how this will "change gaming forever" and enter us into "virtual gaming". Whatever indeed.

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[FamilyGuy]

This is about Milo being faked and used to sell a the product Natal. They should have been happy with their casual game tech demos.

The product wasnt ready (natal) and would've been a bigger hit at next years E3 considering it's possible release date of late 2010. Announcing something will be out the same year is always a bigger hit than, eventually.

[Homicide]

I smell a little jealously from some fans.

[ChozenWoan]

I think that a lot of people are getting confused about what works and what doesn't. This is due to them associating Natal with Milo and vice versa.

Most of Natal works as the PSeye has shown, but it will not be nearly as well as MS is telling everyone. Also, Voice recognition is in phones today so it's not that new, but it is set to only accept certain commands while in certain modes. Like I said that also works.... but it can be frustrating sometimes to have to repeat yourselves... and you can't use slang or improper speech.

Milo on the other hand is a complete sham. If it worked they would not need an "operator" to monitor it. Remember these words from years gone by... "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". Yea, it's like that only we all should no better by now.

Smoke an mirrors, smoke and mirrors... do people even watch "Magic's Greatest Tricks: Revealed". When someone wants to show you something too good to believe, but they can only do so in a specially prepared room... pack you wading boots cause it's about to get deep.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"Lionhead's Project Natal demo was fake?"

..........i find it funny that all of you guys are jumping on this rumor like it's a fact.

find something that's 100 percent fact and than maybe it'll be worth looking into.

edit, why so many comments on this?

[7ero H3LL]

"we're not saying that Natal is out-and-out FUD that will never appear and that the Milo/Lionhead video is a complete and utter fake."

..........then why put that as the title?

[Megatron08]

I think joy was right on. I see nothing wrong with it and there are lots of people that seen this live.

I wouldnt be surprised if the milo video was edited. They had a limited amount of time and they had x amount of things they wanted to show off. Milo is a real game there probably things in there they didnt want to show or just parts what were uninteresting

[TheTwelve]

No jealousy here Homocide, I think the Wii is stupid and that Natal is stupid too, for the same reasons. I admit to being annoyed that it's being treated by hardcore 360 fans like the 2nd Coming, tho. Either 360 fans really have nothing to play this year or it's getting way too hyped, or both.

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[Qui-Gon Jim]

chaosatom, you forgot to mention the fact that, when they think it's real, it's the most awesome thing ever and will make games SOOO immersive, but then when it turns out fake, it's okay to fake it.

[Sprudling]

Unbelievable that some are unable to see the obvious fakeness at 2:37. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy. Some things are just impossible, like Natal predicting the future, even if it is only a fraction of a second in the future.

[pixelsword]

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

[otherZinc]

That pos couldn't hit the ball with a bat, tennis racquet, stop sign, etc......it was terrible! & you guys have the nerve to criticize this, please.

[cherrypie]

Every single journalist -- Eurogamer, Joystiq, Wired, Time, BBC, Kotaku -- have *played* with Natal, including milo.

They've all said it works as shown.

Now, some idiot writes some bullshit and puts it on splorg.com and you're saying "I'm glad people are taking a closer look at Project Natal instead of praising it instantly"?

No one "praised it instantly" -- journalists spent all week getting demonstrations, and each one is **IN AWE**.

[pwnsause]

"How about the Mega Weak SONY wii controll?
That pos couldn't hit the ball with a bat, tennis racquet, stop sign, etc......it was terrible! & you guys have the nerve to criticize this, please."

he didnt hit it because his timing was off, way off. there was no delay from the input of the controler to output of what the PS eye decoded. the controler is not weak at all, it one ups what the wii does, which is why you see some devs happy with this, because now they will try to find ways to broaden the market of casual game, like porting wii games to the PS3, or vice versa. Not to mention try new ways to make Amazing Hardcore games with this.

Dont get me wrong here, i think Natal is pretty big for what it does and it has some devs turning heads as well.

Natal has potential, but it needs to show that it can play very well with every genre of game. sony's tech demo showed that their motion controls plays well with the most popular genres(FPS,3rd person, etc.)

Natal hasnt really showed that yet,except for tech demos of casual games(which is seen on the eyetoy) and of course the race genre.

Natal is real, we know what it does, its one step ahead of the curve, but as I said before, it has to show that it can play well with every genre.

[FrankenLife]

@1.2

MS didn't invent anything here. They presented plundered tech from the 3DV purchase. Eventually Natal will work, maybe even as good as the conceptual video showed. But no time at all soon. Natal is far from release and even farther from proper functionality. It takes time to figure this stuff out. It isn't like they designed it, and have the same familiarity with it as the original creators did.

[Bzone24]

I guess since spong, someone who didn't test it first hand, says it's fake it must be. lol. Microsoft might as well pack it in, spong didn't buy the fake. sony fanboys will keep trying to discredit this even after it's release. There will be millions of people faking use of Natal.

[thelastmexican]

Even though it was a fake presentation, the idea of innovation coming from MS is definitely a step in the right direction for a company noted for throwing money at franchises to get ahead of the game.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I'm a pretty impressed how people are arguing over this Natal VS PS Motion Controller.

I mean, it's based on old PS2 tech (neigher Sony or MS are pushing anything forward, they are just trying to bit a piece of Ninty's cake) and most gamers in this site usually agree that turning everything on a motion based game is lame.

Are we really gonna fight over features we didn't even want? LOL, count me out.

[All-3]

http://www.edge-online.com/...

Edge: Some accounts on the internet have claimed there were people with controllers around the back of the demonstrations. Have the people that have played over the last day or so purely been interfacing with the machine?

Peter Molyneux: You’ve got to remember that this is very, very new tech, and quite often we need to reboot the machine, so there’s someone in the back in case something goes wrong. There’s no cheating, absolutely not. I thought actually, when they were there, ‘Oh my God, it’s going to look like there’s a puppeteer in the background,’ but there’s not, absolutely not.

It'll be uncovered sooner or later who is telling the truth.

[Thugbot187]

The way I look at it is this. If it is a fake, this will go down as a huge PR issue for Microsoft and it will be years for them to recover their creditability with gamers and media. Not to say since this is geared toward casual gamers the most this would almost kill that market for them.

Now on the other hand say that this is true and will be working, Microsoft just signed themselves major sales. Not they also said this would be out in 2010, so that gives MS 1 year 1/2 at most to event this if it doesn't exist. If it was such a lie I would have given myself a 2 to 3 year window. Just like with KZ and the fake CGI trailer...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Peter Molyneux's demo was cool, everyone knows it was cool, accept the people who bought the console that doesn't have Natal.

[sniper-squeak]

I know this isn't related, but were'nt they going to show a bit of "OnLive" at the E3 conference..? or was that just something I missed out on myself?

(there was an article mentioning that it would make an appearance)

p.s. This "Natal" technology IS remining me a bit of OnLive... technology which is theorised, shown-off, tested slightly and then they say "yeah, this is going to work brilliantly" and when it comes out, it either flops or comes out a decade late.

[Tony999Montana]

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[ChickeyCantor]

I'm not here to say something is fake or not but
"that Eye hasn't already done "

I think its not about the camera itself rather, the software that is used with the camera.

But i would love to see someone tell milo that he isn't real...LOL or that he is adopted XD. hahah

[HighDefinition]

Her arms cross before she goes to cross them.

Well that kinda sucks.

[kunit22c]

i realized it was fake too! even in the trailer there were a number of times when the character on screen would start moving before the person that it is (suposedly) copying. Considering that this was a completely fake showcase, if they never actually get it working they way they want it to, then all you ignorant Microsoft loving fanboys will finally see how much of a liar and a cheat Microsoft is. and i garauntee that the final product(if it ever comes) will have MANY glitches.

[ShabzS]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

http://kotaku.com/5275204/t...

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Every indication from people that have tested it says it works really well, but not perfect. Then we have all the fanboys, haters and naysayers that never tried it doubting and spewing negativity.

Let's see who we are going to trust?

Fact is if MS tried to fool people, it would only bring them a lot more negative publicity. It would be PR suicide! They would never be taken seriously again ever... The fact that they show this now displays their confidence in this technology that they would bet their company name on.

[kunit22c]

i mean natal is AMAZING not only can it do what microsoft SAYS it can do it can do even more and i dont think microsoft meant to include this but.... it can... PREDICT THE FUTURE, yup its just that AMAZING, i mean havnt you seen the footage? but ok sarcasm aside, you are actually going to beleive some people over ACTUAL footage? Cmon. and the only live demo i beleive we saw was when he stuck his foot up and did you see how bad and jerky that was? and some people who got hands on with it say it was fake and bad, sure some people said it was good but i garauntee this is what Microsoft told those people "Hey heres some money, just be sure to go out there and say it worked really well, we promise we will have it as good as we say it is when we are done so your rep wont be shattered." Also everyone said that even simple voice recognition was bad, also none of this is new. and i agree with that other guy who said this Nintendo turned it down because they new it would fail, they didn't want to fake it. Nintendo being the always up for new things kinda people that they are, why would they turn this down? Because THEY KNEW! i mean come on, there is footage of the characters moving before the people they are suposedly copying and a few people have actually came out and admited it sucked, now its time for you fanboys to admit it. I hope you guys will finaly see how microsft always lies and ceats. but here is another comment from someone else that i think also deserves to be heard:
Natal doesnt seem to be THAT great....If you listen to the GiantBombcast they talk about developers getting to go "behind closed doors" to see Natal and the "Milo" demo... it was pretty much fake. This is all stuff they say i am not making it up go listen to their "day 3 bombcast". They say they heard there was a guy off screen controlling a lot of it with a controller, (see you DO need buttons!), and Milo apparently doesn't understand what she is saying to him word wise, (so much for voice recognition!), it just understood inflection of her voice - which the ps3 eye COULD be programmed to do. Plus lots of obvious gaffs that show it was a staged demo like: the scan of the skateboard by the kid... umm his hands were in the way; facial recognition for your avatar: the kudo guy had sun glasses on and so it shouldn't have worked, heck facial recognition tech cant work if your smiling (look up on a search engine about why you cant smile on drivers license photos anymore); then he lifts his shoe the avatar was all bent wrong and freaking out, if you cant get a simple avatar to turn how will that work in a real game? the guy "putting a tire on the race car", that was totally uninteractive and didnt look fun, he just put his hands up and it put on a tire.... the ps3 demo looked way better for games.

[nveenio]

I think we all need to pause for a moment and ask ourselves one simple question:

"Has Peter Molyneux ever delivered on a promise?"

The answer to that question is "NO". Everything dear old Peter hypes fails to deliver even a sliver of what it promises. His company has more dropped games than any other developer of equivalent size. He is a dreamer, and he has great ideas, but he has never evolved gaming even a tiny, tiny bit. (Though Black & White and the Fable series were good fun.)

Given, this technology doesn't come straight from Peter, it's obvious that Microsoft chose the most charismatic exaggerator possible.

When it comes to Project Natal, I believe only LIVE DEMOS. I didn't believe the Killzone 2 CG footage, and I don't believe in Milo, either.

[falcon]

lol this is so fake. at 2:37 she has her right arm in the air, while in screen her arm is stretching down. and did u notice how they change cameras when she started to interact with the water?? they didn't want to show how obviously fake it was.

[Shepherd 214]

your a troll. Your always first poster on the MS forums because you have some kind of a rod up your ass and you feel like you need to defend your big black piece of plastic.

Project Natal looks sweet, and it has the potential to make some truely innovative things. Purple dildo wands aside, PS3's motion control looks equally as good. Go do something with your life instead of waiting for the N4G articles to roll up so you can show everyone how full of piss and vinegar you are.

[LordNador]

that Microsoft is a software company that's more than capable of doing something like this. I've never seen so many people that are so anti-Microsoft in my life, yet have no problem using their Operating System, and I'm pretty sure not every Sony fanboy has a Mac or Linux.

[supaflypriest1]

You guys crack me up, more than a few credible sources have already said that this technology is the real deal. I trust them much more than I trust some bitter, scared fanboys, but we will soon see...

[dktxx2]

Surprisingly he makes a good point. But I doubt MS would fake natal, imagine the sh!t they'd be in if they did.

But really, doesn't anyone else find a little boy trapped in your TV a little creepy?

[chaosatom]

If it doesn't have voice recognition then it is a eyetoy, that detects stuff in 3D. Sony could have made it as well, but they opted not to because they already have a ps3 eye camera, that they could use. And probably make it cheap and fast.

[jerethdagryphon]

looks like the video peter narated was faked but not entirly

the milo demo was real but mounted and played back with claire and then played to us on screen
hence the inconsistanceys with her movments and the reflection

the ai itself is fairly basic tone recognition a few key words

and a biometrics esque user list

milo recognizes a face because its stored as a snapsot.
when they show milo laughing at a monotone synthasied joke ill be in pressed otherwise use the right tones and it will laugh cry at what ever.
it has promise nothing more

[jromao]

I was also able to found at 2:17 / 2:18 another "issue" of this mounted presentation, check this minutes and will see the fishes on water will move at speed of light to other positions, I was also able to see her arm that moved on screen before real arm.

Clearly a fake presentation.

[gaffyh]

Agree... it looked completely fake to me....i mean what they did there is almost impossible...

how can that voice recognition work for every person...every language, every accent, the variables are infinite.

Secondly...all those response from the kid are recorded by an actual voice actor....so his responses will be canned...and eventually repeat, and it would be FAKE.

And it seems very paedophillic to me...DO NOT WANT that!...games i do want.

[ShabzS]

arent they demoing this behind close doors to the press ... eurogamers ign oxm all have hands on impressions with the milo and kate game ... this is quite a big accusation here

[BRG9000]

The software and hardware are both clearly in the testing phase, so it does not surprise me that there was editing done in the video to make it look like it works how they want it to work and believe they can make it work. The fact that they DID do live demos for a segment of the press, many of whom have come away with positive things to say, is reassuring.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

All the major press have used Natal behind closed doors and they say that it works. People want to believe its fake because they feel it threatens their precious console. Fall 2010 when Natal launches with Casual and Hardcore games fanboys are gonna be pretty upset.

[lloyd_wonder]

Yeah... AFTER Sony launches their superior motion controls, bundled with every PS3 at $299.99. I'm starting to wonder why Microsoft didn't build Natal around a controller, which would be a no brainer -- giving the strength and appeal of the wii. Instead they say that you can use your own peripheral? I'm thinking Sony patented motion controls with a cam.

OT: Milo was fake. Peter molyneux has always failed to deliver. And Natal was just a fancy Eyetoy video presentation. EA even said that Sony's motion controls were more practical and accessible. Which means great things for third- party support.

[heroicjanitor]

Acting in front of a video. They didn't have much for e3 and had to make an elaborate hoax. It might end up working, but this footage was faked. Her hand on the tv moved before her real hand. There is no other way that can happen unless it was a video.

[beardpapa]

I used the EyeToy on the PS2 @ ToysRuS waaaaay back. I was able to chop barrels w/ my hands and block banana attacks from monkeys. Let me just tell you... that works!

/sarcasm

We don't even know to what extent a "live demo" they showed to the press. They could've easily just shown the koi fish pond and have the press wave their hands at the camera like what Clare did. They could've showed Milo and have someone "pull strings" in the back with a controller. Let's say I was there..., given the sudden shock and amazement of such as announcement at E3, I would come out of this closed-door demonstration like a little school girl saying it works.
Thing is you you could already do something like the koi fish pond on the EyeToy and if they really did have someone controlling Milo, heck you could do that w/ an Eye Toy as well.

[LONEWOLF231]

hahah look at how these peeps bring the WHOLE wiimote rip off into the conversation. Now that device looks hella lame! BUT the stuff you can do with it will more than compensate for its ugly look.

[Black Maverick]

lol

For the most part, I'm staying out of this. All I'll say is go back and rewatch the ENTIRE presentation and judge for yourself.

[mrv321]

We believe it's fake because it is, I simply cannot believe that the it's actually A.I as in you could say anything to it and it'd respond.

I know for a fact that this was done a few times before Microsoft showed it, and the lines the same.

Milo is simply a text based RPG with voice dectention. Milo doesn't respond to you he responds to the lines of text he's been pre programmed to search for and react to them. It's a cold fact.

If this is non-scripted tell me this why is there a piece of paper surely Milo can do more than paper tricks... so tell me this do the people at Microsoft studies have paper and just just paper next to there tv's?

Our precois console can't handle it, I'm ashamed to admit it but it allready has. Looks at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sorry to point out the facts instead of being drawn into the lies such as 'only on xbox' which is laughable and then we have the 'Most definative racing game' HAHA, I though he was joking, but then he revealed his magic ball. If Natal is so good why can't I see the the bottom of my avatars shoe?

[Johnny Rotten]

The technology to produce this came out 2 years ago, so it shows Sony's not slacking in the tech department.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[PirateThom]

Wasn't that Sony's 2005 press conference?

[pwnsause]

that was 2006 Sony E3 conference. it was when they showed a prototype of the PS eye, the HD prototype of the camera.

[dogmeat eater]

is almost the same tech as natal. Except in natal you can flip through the 360s XMB.

[Ju]

I don't know what's so great about creating waves thru the camera. Heck, I can feed my fish using the Eye screen saver (what's that called again - haven't switched that on since a while).

I am curious how Milo's AI can actually tell the "actor" what to do, if its not scripted.

[pwnsause]

"yeah eye pet
is almost the same tech as natal. Except in natal you can flip through the 360s XMB."

The PS Eye also has the ability to do recognize hand gestures to flip through the XMB, not to mention voice recognition since it also has Mics. all it takes is a firmware update to allow it. but Sony is slow. Most likely Project Natal gave them the Kick in the Nuts they needed attempt to implement it.

if theres anything that the PS eye doesnt have compared to Natal is that it doesnt measure Depth (Z-Axis).

[Ju]

^^ Yeah, maybe that's true. Maybe they come up with the PS Eye2 next year, like they revived the PSP this year...sometimes someone needs to remind them of what they already have. We should all thank MS for that.

[Johnny Rotten]

I'm not sure what axis your referring to when you say "z", but whether it be the traditional up and down or because were viewing a monitor it's in and out (aka: lathe 2 axis) but the PS3 Eye proved it can do all 3 axis with the demo of their waggle sticks.

In their demonstration which was done with the PS3 Eye they were moving the blocks (4:30), mind you they could bring the blocks closer but it looks like the distance away was limited but that might be because his arms don't stretch. You can also take into account that they were able to knock off the PS3 eye off the virtual TV, and the monsters at the end were taking different hits based on the pressure of the pull of the arrow. What they demonstrated was not much different than the control of the dashboard Microsoft showed. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Omega4]

Natal itself works great, unless every media outlet is being paid by MS to say otherwise.

As for Milo, it does good enough considering its still in its early stages. The fact that everyone is shouting fake just proves how impressive it is.

[mrv321]

So your telling me Microsoft great A.I that matches humans?
Heck A.I matching animals is fairly complex.

I'd rather believe in the likely thing, not something from a guy famous for hyping up everything he touches.

And yes where trying to spin it, beats listening without questioning mind you, you wouldn't know a thing about inderpendance accepting the 360's failure rate because Microsoft increased a warranty and THEN changed it's conditions sneakily in order to stop loosing money.

Have fun as slowly but surely you'll relise people do lie, but untill then I will tell you something and you are not to repeat this to anyone else... it's a secret so large Micheal A... Jackson doesn't even know.

The meaning of life is not 42. Now promise you'll never speak of it again.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"So your telling me Microsoft great A.I that matches humans? "

Nobody is claiming that. That is the problem here. People are acting like MS claimed to create Skynet when they didn't. They showed off the facial and voice recognition and people are going off the deep end. Peter's elaborate speeches about it aren't helping but he is excited and well he tends to do that when he is excited.

[jerethdagryphon]

peter said that the ai isnt all knowing it isnt sentiant, he also said that some press reportesrs were assuming it was and expecting responses based on that.
he said its a trick an illusion using very clever coding and such to make it appea as though it can hold a conversation

in reality its text is limited to whats in its files, it can dl new dialouge but thats it it reads a joke by tone same with scorn or anger

the actor for te voice would have read out lots of lines of texts and lots of other words basically the dictionary

its responses and such will be prewritten and such

[lloyd_wonder]

Xbox fanboys will spin this because they don't want to believe in the reality. They rather be fooled into thinking Microsoft is a company of innovation, and that this will add years onto the already troubled 360 hardware.

[green]

The SDF is strong indeed.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It is incredible the amount of crap being thrown at this isn't it?

Even though we've heard from a lot of media sources that said they had a chance with it behind closed doors and it worked.

Peter even when into a detailed interview about it and he explained the limitations of it and never said it was full AI and he actually stressed it wasn't full AI.

It's okay though, when MS get's this out and it works that's just a bigger win for them.

[ShabzS]

u know ... its like they live in a bubble of their own .. i mean its not even funny .. its..

Edit @ below .. ohoho my god .. lol

[green]

12 minutes ago | By: cahill | User has been blocked
sucks for x360 isnt it
pwned by GT PSP with 800 cars
alan wake gameplay images looked like ps2 games
sc conviction = lol after seeing Uncharetd 2

fake and lame NATAL crap
ps3 is hitting 299$ so it wont be long for MS to pull its plug from console war.

Lol.

[heroicjanitor]

This trailer was of claire in front of a video to make a big statement on what they want it to be. Behind doors it was probably done for real, but it was done in front of people who would understand any bugs that weren't ironed out yet. For the general public though, they wanted to leave an impression, and they did. With a lie. "This works, and it works today." The stuff in that trailer was faked.

Edit: You go on about sdf but you guys are doing it too. Admit that video was faked. It is probably a bit more primitive behind doors. I wouldn't have minded if they had said it was a tech demo, but they didn't, they pretended it was real. That is what gets me.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

That's a real shame Green you're having to listen to their crap in PM's as well. I get the same thing. You know little children they are always scrambling to get their voices heard and they might think their comment just wasn't enough to get to you.

Like I said, the worst fanboys to ever grace gaming and I see it here daily.

I can't imagine MS faking something like this because they know how the internet will count the pixels on the screen and they would of never allowed anything to be on video if that was the case.

This article jumps to calling it fake while some of it could of been honest bugs or problems. All I want to know is when can I get my hands on it. If this isn't even coming this gen than I find this whole discussion pointless and just PS3 fanboy fuel.

HERO: Why are you trying so hard to discredit it?? If it's fake you got nothing to worry about. Why try so hard to be a d1ck about it? I've got articles that say they demo'd it behind closed doors and it works. You want to call them liars? Face it, you want this to fail and your comments in this article going off on MS and about things that have nothing to do with this topic just shows you don't like MS.

Green below is one of the interviews I'm talking about. Are you going to call that fake?? Maybe paid off by MS? Some man behind a curtain making it respond? FFS

[heroicjanitor]

Her hand moved on the tv before her real hand. The trailer was faked. Get over it. I have received many pms from 360 fanboys too, and you don't see me highlighting them and acting all oppressed.

[green]

I only read articles about E3 09 from websites that had actual journalists at the show to comment on.Even more, i will take the words of the few sites that actually got to play Natal and experience Mylo over that of someone writing an article from his basement.

"Peter Molyneax: Let's try an experiment. When a human voice says something funny, there's a different tone in the voice. Even though Milo's not trained to recognise your voice, if you say something funny to him, he should recognise it as something amusing. Try it now.

Eurogamer: Tell him a joke, you mean?

Peter Molyneux: Yeah.

Eurogamer: OK. Milo?

Milo: [Looks up, smiles and nods]

Eurogamer: Bloody hell. Er, OK. A Times New Roman walks into a bar. The barman says, 'We don't serve your type.'

Milo: [Giggles]

Eurogamer: Bloody hell.

Peter Molyneux: Now, he didn't really understand every word you said, but from the tone of your voice he guessed you were telling a joke." http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Read the article, it will tell you alot about Milo.he is preprogrammed to respond to certain things but he is far from one super A.I that some ignorant people are making him out to be.
Or will you now join the rest of the SDF in accusing Eurogamer of being on Microsoft's payroll?

[heroicjanitor]

It's nice to take a journalists word for it. But look at the video and see that her hand moves on the tv before her real hand. Therefore the trailer is faked.
But we also have journalists saying it works. This means that it does work, but it isn't far enough along to impress anyone yet(most likely doesn't hold conversations yet, just answers questions you ask, or comments on your tone of voice), so microsoft made a fake trailer. Occam's razor.
You are trying to explain it in a way which leans to microsoft being right, rather than a way which supports the evidence.

Edit: By the way I understand the concept, I have explained it multiple times in previous posts.

[LONEWOLF231]

green

Yeah Cahill is a ****!
I already told him where he could shove GTpsp!
Some of these fanboys are just sad.

[JokesOnYou]

"Her hand moved on the tv before her real hand." - Heroicjanitor
-lmfao, Well I watched it and it looks in sync to me, but even if it wasn't thats a huge stretch to say this is 100% PROOF that its fake.

-Then Green gives you a nice example of a journalist who was there and experienced it for themselves and asks:

"will you now join the rest of the SDF in accusing Eurogamer of being on Microsoft's payroll?"

Response:

"It's nice to take a journalists word for it. But look at the video and see that her hand moves on the tv before her real hand. Therefore the trailer is faked."

-Then you admit it works but say its not far enough along to impress, well journalists are impressed and have said so, how would you know different without personally interacting with it. lol, we can't take journalist word for it, but we should take your word for it, riiiight.

"You are trying to explain it in a way which leans to microsoft being right, rather than a way which supports the evidence." -or how about in a way that supports the evidence in *your head. lmfao

-Yeah it leans to microsoft being right because there is no EVIDENCE that they faked anything, actually with plenty of sites like IGN being impressed after actually using it, theres only evidence of it being very real even though it is obviously in the early stages of development.

JOY

[heroicjanitor]

You never admit microsoft is at fault what is with you guys! Look at the fukin thing, the tv clearly moves before her, and even if your messed up brainwashed desperate head can't see that, her(real) right hand is up against her chest, while her tv hand is down at her side while she is busy mistiming the hand movement. (I suppose you can't see that either huh?) You are absolutely ridiculous and both of these faults are PROOF.

It is FAKED, get over it! And what do you mean jealous? If I want it I will get it, just like I will get eyepet later this year. We have no idea what it is like yet, I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT WHAT THE TECH WILL END UP LIKE, I am saying this trailer is fake. That is all.

I hope that it turns out as promised, but right now it doesn't work otherwise they wouldn't have faked the trailer.

He gave me an example of a journalist who told it a joke(because peter molyneux requested that he tell a joke) and I took from that that it understands speech inflections, if it was able to hold a conversation, they wouldn't have faked it, and they would have done it live. Nothing stopped them from doing it live, they just didn't.

When I said he was giving evidence for microsoft to seem right, I should have said he was dodging the parts where microsoft were wrong and only focusing on what he was told, not what he is seeing with his very own eyes.

[PistolPumptMonk]

You're fighting a losing battle buddy. Bubbles for trying to shed light on the situation to people who are clearly blinded.

Basically you just have to come to the point where you ask yourself, "Why am I arguing over whether a 3 year old tech video is real or not when I could be playing Infamous?" That should help.

That said, the video is clearly fake. Unless the girl in the tv is real and the one outside is the mirrored image. With a delay.

[ultimolu]

I expect to see some break-dance spinning soon enough so lemme be on my merry way.

[nostalgic_noob]

Of course its Fake if it was real then he would be doing it infront of everyone and not show a pre recorded Demo of Actors.

[dogmeat eater]

well kotaku are huge xbots. So I wouldn't trust them. Who cares about motion controls and all that hoohah its all garbage. It doesn't make the gaming experience more fun. Look at the wii for example :)

[Montreafart]

The whole thing was scripted and footage cleverly assembled.

Thats why its not LIVE but just a stupid manipulated vid using an actor.

Milo is as fake as it can get. MS was desperate and wanted to 1UP Sony. When their spies told them that Sony had a HUGE E3 coming up with shiatloads of announcements, MS needed to act FAST.

Natal and Milo were the answer.

The vid with Natal...FAKE. Just some stupid actors faking it.
The vid of Milo...FAKE.

If Sony did this, the internet would be all over Sony. ZOMG SONY PULLS OFF KILLZONE 2 CGI AGAIN.

But Microsoft can do no harm. No matter how much their conference stinks, they will "win" the conference war by default.

[ChozenWoan]

With all the evidence starting to pile up against Milo and the Natal vids. This E3 will turn out to be worst than last years. Hmmm, at this rate I can't wait to see how they top this debacle next year. lol

[sunnygrg]

I see it. At 2:36, the ripple is created before Claire reaches for the fish. You might have to watch the part a couple of times but it is there. Unless, there was a small bug or insect between Claire and the TV (or the Camera), there is nothing explainable.

[NewZealander]

use your brain, everyone knows it was a pre recorded video for the sake of getting it right for e3, now go ask people from IGN who actually spent time with milo, yes hes a work in progress, but they state that he works as shown, apart from not understanding everything you say.

then look at the article about them playing natal with burnout, play it down all you want but natal is pretty advanced even now, just wait till it comes out before you mouth off, sony fanboys need to learn to make retractions everytime they get things wrong....no MGS on 360 hmmm?

[baker_boi]

Yes, no MGS4, I REPEAT, NO M G S 4, on 360. Still not on it hm?

[NegativeCreep427]

"I'm glad people are taking a closer look at Project Natal instead of praising it instantly."

Well the only people who praise Natal (or even proclaim MS as the winner of the E3 Conferences) are the people from CNET and MS Butt-Buddies! Everyone else who doesn't have the MS bug up their a$$ sees otherwise!

[LeeZer]

i have to agree with number 9 comment. Xbox has never been innovative. Natal is a rather oversized ps3eye or eyetoy. the demo's weren't amazing, i'd have been hooked if i could have seen established IP's adapted, but instead i saw a few worse than wii quality games and obviously scripted characater. exersise games maybe good but nothing that a ps3 can't already do if implimented.

[360_Rules]

This isn't fake. Look at IGN they said it's real after playing the demo. Shut up Sony fanboys and admit you got beat by MS this year.

[karan8624]

Seeing as your name is 360_Rules, I dont think you can be calling anybody else a fanboy. Microsoft was bested by Sony.... NATAL wont happen

[MGOelite]

i just watch invisible walls and it says that people who was using milo was TOLD what to say...

epic fail

[mastiffchild]

Well, IDJK about all this at all. I couldn't watch the Milo presentation at all live as my feed was cack-I actually asked people where Molyneux/Lionheads new game was as I hadn't seen this!

Going back now, there's certainly much of it that looks staged bu surely some of the press would have picked up more if the same happened off stage, no? Whatever, I'm, waiting to see something more convincing with MY eyes before making my mind up about this one as right now I just can't say either way from the little we got to see.

I'm surprised that Pete didn't get slammed more for the Avatars sole business as that was quite the f-up. Anyway it'll all come out in the wash when we get more of a hands on but I guess it'll be a long, long time before we get that chance so arguing about it is very pointless atm. Also, won't they NEED buttons/triggers for some things? I know that's what the guys on the Sony demo said but I can't think how you're going to shoot with timing etc without buttons so they might have a point. Or maybe I'm just being dim, idk.

[Evo9]

FAKEEE TO GOOD TO BE MICROSOFT AND FAKEE CUS MICROSOFT ALLWAYS LIE TO US

[Dante43]

I'm going to watch that video again and if it true that it was fake, I'm sending it to CTV News.

[RonDeMuerte]

hahahahaha!!! it's true....skip all the bullsh!t and go straight to 2:37....the ripple appears before she even extends her left arm towards the left side of the screen (the fake screen clair does it before her)!!!! hahahaha!!!

hahahahaha FOOLS!!!!
Real technology my ass!!! that whole damn thing seemed scripted!!!!....IGN or whoever previewed it and said it was real got paid big time to do so, and they didn't think their credibility would be jeopardized since it would be years before this game, gimmick, or whatever the hell it is would be accessible for everyone....that's if they ACTUALLY ever make and release this!!!!!

@ Bladestar.....geez what an idiot...

Watch the video before you put up your desperate shield and delusional goggles and start making moronic crybaby "doesn't want to accept that Microsoft just cheated all of you into believing in their "technology"".. .statements...

@ Crabby

Let me know when Microsoft actually releases Surface to the consumer, instead of telling me that the tech is available at Verizon stores with it's limited functions and accessibility of what it's truly supposed to be capable of....and also how Microsoft is so good at setting up and choreographing their events....

[dogmeat eater]

When the started to talk to that guy in the orange track suite who apparently is the creator. They where telling him they didn't believe in milo. And he kind of just mumbled out an answer. More then likely it was just a tech demo. Kind of like how KZ2 the first trailer was just a tech demo. But KZ2 actually turned out to look as good as the first trailer.

[MajesticBeast]

you knew this when molyneux presented it he has never deliverd since the fable series maybe even somethings in black and white.

[Dead_Cell]

Because it really is great technology,I see no use for it in games but it's still great.
And.
Microsoft is gonna have a whole load of egg on it's face if it turns out some guy was pulling most of the strings.

[dogmeat eater]

It should be used more in films. Thats the main reason Steven spielberg was there.

[Finalfantasykid]

I think it's pretty obvious that this is indeed fake(or at least super specialized to fit only those questions that the girl was saying). There is no algorithm known to man that can do AI this advanced. Even Asimo, one of the most advanced robots can't even hold a conversation at that doesn't sound scripted for very long.

[NoxiousD]

they won it again, they had more to offer. Microsoft does not have any third party exclusives even on gamestop splinter cell:conviction does not have the only on xbox logo... sony has awesome 1st party and third party exclusives. and even FF Versus. FF 13 is the core to the project but sony won it. I own a 360 proudly but I know Sony is going to be there for a long run. Microsoft may hang onto the 360 for a while and would be smart to. It's an great system! But deceiving their customers... thats a instant no.

[bunfighterii]

that was fake as all hell. i've found the said moment. clare you lying cow.

who the hell would want to talk to a virtual boy anyway? this looks like the kind of thing a paedophile would want to play.

[hazardman]

Where's the LOVE..PSFanboys are out in full force..Anyway f@#k the motion bs..I'm happy with my controllers..be it the Dualshock3 or the MS clunk..I don't want to star in Virtuosity 2 just yet..

[tiamat5]

It did seem kind of odd.Do you know how much tech you would have to integrate into the Xbox 360 to make that work. Sony and Nintendo are gaming giants just like Microsoft and they can barely make their recognition technology work. And you are telling me that Microsoft just suddenly came up with A.I. and hardware that can not only understand what you are saying and doing but you can interact directly with it as well? And to make things worse they are talking about bringing this technology next year? They didn't even explain how they were bring this recognition to other countries. Doesn't that mean you have to translate each game to speak Japanese, Chinese and several different languages? And how is the game going to understand sentences, slurs and slang? Doesn't that mean you have to limit the amount of words that you can use?
Anyway I doubt Microsoft just outright lied. More like half-truths, subterfuge and exaggeration.I mean we all know there is no way that Microsoft could have come up with such advance technology before the Japanese did. Not a chance.

[dogmeat eater]

They shouldn't. Because then they could invest more money into more 1st party games. Which MS has been slacking on lately. This motion control crap is just a gimmick. This goes for Sony/MS/Nintendo.

[bunfighterii]

here's a message to nintendo, sony and ms....

MOTION CONTROL SUCKS ASS. It's only use is for uncoordinated tards who can't play normal games (aka kids under 13) and old people who are too lazy to go outside to do physiotherapy.

[Bladestar]

mmm.. wow.. I am not too crazy about Project Natal since it's just another project. and I am not too crazy about motion until I see some real applications... like the many other projects before it and others that will come after... but for the sake of comparison this mere project is catching the same level of hate that Halo or even Xbox live experience when they were first presented to the public...

Lots of people specially the SOny leg humper crowd doomed xbox live and halo for being an FTP in console as a failure...

It wouldn't be the first time microsoft see potential in a technology when many others think is a mistake... this seems to be one of those...

And guess what... some time from now.. (like it happened with xbox live, and FTP) sony leg humpers will be saying how Sony was the creator and is best when everyone know is not the case... while Sony is simply trying to catchup as they are with their online service.

Just like Microsoft saw that a unified online network for console was the future this generation Microsoft believed that digital distribution, RTS could be done on consoles and now full body motion.

Even if this is not realized fully with the xbox 360... as Microsoft did with the original xbox... Project Natal will be an evolving platform that will continue to mature on the xbox 720.. and Sony will just come up with a catchup version like they did with PSN.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Remember all the Surface haters? Now look that tech is in Verizon stores and MS is giving game demo's with it at E3 and impressing.

[FUNKANIC]

seriously how can you say any of that when sony demonstrated their new tech with existing tech on the market now that being the PSeye, or are you just blind and won't acknowledge the fact that the PSeye and eyetoy for that matter exist, or are you just gonna come up with some ill conceived fact that they have failed in your eyes so that technology doesn't exist in your world

[Dead_Cell]

I mean look at it,it's definitely impressive but...
It's such advanced AI that it has the potential to be the bridge between Artificial Intelligence and Sentient Intelligence.
Now companies are working on this kind of concepts,government and military funded companies but It's incredibly slow steps and I just do not see this bridge being forded by a games division of a company and announced at a electronic entertainment expo.
If professional AI programmers working on advanced robotics are struggling with it I don't see it being done here.
Do you?

[Finalfantasykid]

Ya like I said in an above post, there is no algorithm(yet) that can do such complex tasks as respond to human speech about all possible topics. Specific topics are possible(a good example would be like when you phone somewhere and you have to talk to a machine, and it will understand what you are saying and do certain things accordingly), but to do all possible conversations is essentially impossible.

Maybe when quantum computing is a reality, there will be enough CPU power and a sufficient algorithm to make this possible, but for the moment, I call this BS.

[silverchode]

smoke and mirrors.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

He must have been spending some good time analyzing that presentation. Natal is not just about Milo. Is this bugging fanboys that much that MS just impressed their audience at E3?! It was a tech demo that will be released later on. Damn, Natal must have struck a serious nerve.

Like I said before, MS is trying to evolve the 360 into a multi-media home entertainment console for all ages. It's not about "pretty graphics & exclusives" anymore. They're going after the casual market even more with Natal. I do expect some bugs in the beginning, but every new piece of technology has that. That's why we have software and firmware updates.

Now everyone in N4G is happy or hating on Natal. Whatever you feel, your convictions (especially fanboys) does not speak for the rest of the world. People all around are impressed and curious about this new technology.

[Henry Cain]

Sony did it first with Eyetoy. M$ had time to study it now they have came up with something that they feel is better. Who knows what Sony is planning with Eyetoy. Hell by the time Natal actually comes out the Eyetoy would have evolved into something better than what we are currently seeing. I mean just youtube Sony Eyetoy and you will see that Sony has been up on this for awhile now. M$ is once again playing catch when it comes to technology. Project Natal was just shown 4 days ago. Eyetoy came out around 2002, the 360 was not even out yet. Thats why I wasn't impressed with it because Sony has already jump on this type of technology. Im sure Sony is working on new things for the Eyetoy. 360 fans just don't want to give credit to Sony for coming up with this 7yrs ago.
@Ghost one of my favorite rappers
PS3 has has been multimedia gaming console since day one. But everyone claimed that Sony didn't know if they wanted to be a gaming console, a computer or a dvd player. Now all of a sudden 360 is trying to do it, and everyone acts like its all good. Once again Sony has been doing this since day one. Don't recognize it now that 360 is doing it. You all should have recognized when the PS3 popped up on the scene

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Well hopefully they plan on adding a second IRCamera via FW update. LOL

The fact I can't play the Eyetoy without having a spotlight on me makes the Natal better in this regard. The journalists even had MS turn the lights down so they could play it in the dark and it worked. The Natal has 2 cameras and one is an infrared that floods the room with light(the human eye can't see it) and that is how it tracks in any light situation or lack of. Then the other camera monitors movement and does a skeletal scan so if one of your arms or legs goes out of the camera view it can extrapolate what your limb would be doing based on your skeletal structure.

I know it sounds fancy but all you need to know is it's not an EyeTOY.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

But Sony did not put much effort to the Eye Toy. Now the went into the direction of the motion controller following the Wii. They had some good tech demo's for the Eye Toy. The just never followed up on it.

[Ju]

Well, its new. What you expect ? They'd clone the eye and use a standard web cam ? They added a IR "light" to allow to see in the dark, and some custom logic, because I'd guess the 360 needs pre-processed data, when its maxed out (LOL, that was nasty, sorry).

Anyway, what makes you think Eye3 wouldn't add an IR sensor or light? Maybe because MS now has a patent there, maybe (which I doubt they can do, because its common tech). Nothing of that is new. It has been done elsewhere.

BTW: IR can track motion, but it won't help you for things like Eye of Judgment which does a 100% optical recognition - which needs light (or BTW. that new PSP game Invizimals http://www.youtube.com/watc... )

[Finalfantasykid]

I'm going to actually agree with Giant Enemy Crab here.

One major dissadvantage with the PSEye is that you have to be in pretty good lighting for it to work effectivly. When I am talking to someone with the PS3 chat room, and I have the PSEye turned on, there is so much grain, I was sort of expecting a little bit more than that. Though I don't think it really affects the game, unless you are in an almost pitch black room. And lets face it, you arn't going to be playing a game that requires you to move around a room when you can't see where you are going. Only crazies do that.

And I also agree that there are not enough games for the PSEye. There are really only a few on the PSN, and the occasional one that has a pretty basic use(like LBP and Burnout).

[Elven6]

Correction, SEGA did it first with the Dreameye,

http://pc.watch.impress.co....

http://www.segagagadomain.c...

[SixAmpFuze]

wow what a flame bait article. anything positive from a company other than sony results in these bs conspiracy theories..I hate n4g and I hate people with no lives.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Period.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

So how much did MS pay you?

Because anyone saying anything positive other than screaming fake is all in on the conspiracy.

=)

PS: Your "people" are lucky and I'm jealous. I would love to get a demo of this.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Not so much my people. It was either some cats at GameSpot or 1up (can't remember which) that talked about it on one of their daily podcasts.

I'd love to see a live demo of this myself; the tech looked really good.

[jesterlives]

You will soon know that Natal is real and better than what was shown. Real in-game engine demos will be shown at a later date and minds will be blown away again.

[Homicide]

Hahaha, I see the same PS3 fanboys in every Natal news. Great stuff Microsoft!

[Delive]

She didn't even practice the scene to perfection.

NOW! When Sony demoed Killzone 2 and people thought it was not in game footage, Guerilla Games fessed up. Will MS?

[gambare]

In fact it was no fake, it was responsive but it was a limited AI script, if you insulted Milo or say some kind of word (even a finger) Milo didn't react, he just stood there and said "what?" but with prefetched writings he responded, so it was not fake, maybe the so called AI was but the "game" was responsive... in a way.

[Dorwrath]

Well i thought it was cool idea.

Beats Sony's venture into the sex toy industry.

[enjoi187]

WOW

sony must be happy....Natal is being advertised everywhere.....what about sonys wii-mote....nothing is even being said about those good or bad....CAUSE ITS A BLATANT RIP OFF THE WII-MOTE..

sure say microsoft copying eye toy...but the eye toy was horrible and no one ever bought that crap. lol

i am glad to see the natal buzz...please keep advertising....ps3 fanboys are talking about this more than their games coming out in 2010. this is great......the ps3 fanboys say spin spin spin 360 fanboys....but no one even said anything....

then MGS come on the 360 ps3fanboys reply "thats not a true mgs game" lol

man they sure are taking this E3 thing pretty hard.....gt5 2011 WOOT..."they can release it now"...but not even a demo at e3 LOL LAME

[Ju]

Doesn't matter, nobody will buy Natal, either.

[clintos59]

What I really find funny are the ones defending this and saying, "Even if it is fake" "Just imagine what can be done with natal" <--- Proving my point which alot of u try an brush it off. Your basically telling me, "JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES". And as ive said before the media is making such a big deal about this when really this isnt even a proven tech. The hype is really like all those who are praising this like its the second coming but really all the hype is really, "JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES". Until natal is proven to be a success worldwide like the wiimote and eyetoy and playstation eye then it will always be just another, "JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES" tech demo.

[tiamat5]

The dildo joke is over Dorwrath. It's no longer funny. What Sony had was a prototype. A P-R-O-T-O-T-Y-P-E. Get it through your Xbox 360 loving heads. We don't know how the finished product will look. It was impressive for what it was and much more realistic the the Natal looked. I don't believe that Microsoft will have this out by next year or even the year after. We are not saying that it is not amazing, we are saying it is unrealistic.

[LorD]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the vid was staged. I somehow doubt that Molyneux (the KING of promising and not delivering) has a self aware, intelligent AI living inside an xbox. (Not that this level of interaction would be possible on ps3 either).

[bjornbear]

Live tech demo or it doesn't sell it for me, no matter what company.

And now, I'm not "sh!t scared" or "frustrated" or "worried". this doesn't effect my life like it does some people's here (both sides). The only interesting part is how easily people jumped in the wagon =P its the Wii all over again.

I saw this hype w the Wii, even with the dreamcast's fishman, and now seeing it with this, Its just history repeating. I won't judge till i see some real demo's, till then its up in the air for me. But those of you who say "duuurrr its real you sony fanboys are scared" are just as bad as all the sony fanboys saying "duuur its fake you are all fools haha"

Keep an open mind = question everything.

[jesterlives]

You are going to discover that the controller you held in your hand was what was holding you back from a true interactive gaming experience. Game developers will offer you worlds that you could only have dreamed exploring or playing in.

[360fanboi]

This article is a FAKE, you are not reading this article...

[Stryfeno2]

"we're not saying that Natal is out-and-out FUD that will never appear and that the Milo/Lionhead video is a complete and utter fake."

Contradiction much.

[Elven6]

Regarding the movement, keep in mind it was streamed and it could simply be lag on their end. A majority of the Natal footage was captured from the streams.

Also, this is in ALPHA, these things could merely be glitches, that won't be present in the final build.

And to people calling it a eye toy rip off, no! If anything the Eye Toy, Xbox Live Vision Cam, PS Eye, etc are ALL rip offs of the Dream eye IF ANYTHING.

http://pc.watch.impress.co....

http://www.segagagadomain.c...

[360fanboi]

I'm mah go play Halo!

[bigj]

for them to say that milo and kate will be a game.Here is the link to Project Natal site. http://www.project-natal.co... It says Rare has been working with Natal for quite sometime now.So everyone that thinks it will be a long time before Natal is released will be suprised.I would really love to play Killer Instinct with Natal that would be the Shiz.Im sure there is alot more companies been working on something with Natal.Its funny how everyone(mostly sony f_ggots)are actually watching the video enough to find something as crazy as this.IGN and alot of these websites have used it and says it works so now your calling them liars I guess.So whos to say Sonys DILDO LOOKING controller wasnt staged.

[enjoi187]

Spielberg is makeing games for natal.

ps3fanboys don't have any idea of what they are talking about....just hot air at a console they don't own or like..because its so inferior to their ps3...

well i have a ps3....i like play online game with my friends with easy support and functions......sony does not support me just like sony does not support me and my need for BC in my PS3.......disappointed.

my ps3 games....thank god for netflix and blu-rays.
infamous-check beat sold on ebay kesler is cole/cole is kesler *future*
uncharted 2 -day one playing beta NOW-
god war 3
gt5......soon i hope.

but hey don't dis me i own a ps3 and i like it....

but man sony fanboys need to grow up especially GWAVE (he like 360 news for there is none on the ps3)

SDF UNITE...lol like i care what they think

[kazan]

its simply eyetoy,, Sony did the same thing in 2005 most of us remember that game where the guy talk with 2 girls yah,,,MS doing the same thing here nothing new and both not gona work i mean in terms of interactivety between players and a virtual character

[bunfighterii]

Maybe they can ditch the Milo project and make a virtual girlfriend for you dorks.

[360fanboi]

Her reflection reached into the pond before she did!!!!
SHE DA GHOST!!!!
Someone better call her, she haz 7 days to live OMFG!
I mah so scared, shat mah pants...

But I really do know that dat da 360 is so powah, that it can time travel, joo kno? like bend time right?

[Downtime]

The first to comment and completely attack Natal. And everyone here for that matter. I love how everyone is attacking Natal, yet no real media mention has been made of Sony's...Sony's...whatcha-ma-c all-it.

Yea that's right people. Apparently Microsoft being at the top of software technology must mean the rest of the world has to drag them down to all of your Sony's fanboys' pitiful existences. Now hopefully in a week when the media dies down and the world isn't unjustly criticizing them, they can relax full well knowing that they have made an impact yet again in software innovation.

But then again, GWAVE will never give up his undying love for a company he probably is in no direct way affiliated with. Just a sad young adult looking to justify his overprices PS3 purchase.

I'm glad I got my PS3 used for cheap at least.

[360fanboi]

Her spirit is trapped inside the pond, see how the reflection reached towards her before she even moved.
It's da devils magic at work I tell joo!
Natal will steal urz souls like it did poor claire!

Old man looks like mah cult leader and the boy looks evil.

[psyckmark]

After reading the comments in here i understand why we have wars...Humanity is fu**d up.Even over a freakin console we show all this hate.haha lets look forward to the end.we deserve it

[Rifle-Man]

Well if Natal is real then I want my flying car and a robot in every household.

K thanks bye!

[360fanboi]

Milo will remain after the end time... soulless kid!

[KR1ST0F3R]

all the media keep are saying microsoft "won E3" with natal

milo was impressive not natal, but milo is fake.

natal(20??) = eyetoy(2002)

milo(fake) = eyepet(real)

[DMason]

You're a f*cking idiot dude.

And secondly, there's nothing fake about that video. The writer of this so called article is blind and needs hits on his sh*tty website. Everything Claire does corresponds perfectly.

[360fanboi]

Itz so truest, Lionhead invented da timemachine!!!
Post Natal can do thingz before joo even do it!

O_o

powah to da BOX!

[Rifle-Man]

When you turn off your TV at night, creepy Milo will still be there, stalking your dreams.

[DJ]

+bubbles

[mayberry]

I see t.v. commercials, political ads, comedy shows, movies etc.. that really make me physically sick to my stomach to watch! Why? because I see through the B.S. they try to spin on their prospective audience in a way to get maximum believability! No I dont think i'm 100% clairvoyant in these matters, it's just with experience comes sales media product recognition understanding!
Lionhead, to me, obviously did a lot of "coaching" to produce this demo of their product!

I'm just very relieved others have the foresight to see through the manipulation of the human need to be entertained!

They were trying to create the atmosphere very much like the (coincidence?) spielberg movie "A.I" remember the robot boy who wanted to be sentient!

[Zackstorm]

Unless I'm getting paid the ten bucks an hour I would to watch a real bratty kid,

why the f*ck would I want to watch a fake one?

[HuGi]

Only Microsoft can do thing like this!

[Socomer 1979]

So the American media would rather celebrate a lie & unresponsive mo cap than actual video games.

Clearly, we need the bloggers more than ever. They will at least play & review videogames.
Notice, how ps3 fans such as myself are pissed off. You know why? Because it's the end of E3 09 & we've come to talk crap about alan wake & halo & the xbots are ashamed of it & now it's all about motion controls.
It's like poking a dead animal. Xbots have changed. It feels bad to laugh at them because it's like laughing at real retards in wheel chairs. I have to warn the kids that it's not polite to stare at xbots.

Ever wonder what's under a avatars shoe? BAM ! There it is.

[PopEmUp]

Xbot, it's was Just a Dream after all :D

[360fanboi]

Only Microsoft can deliver quality products, like for example:
Win 95
Win 98
Win 2000
Vista

I personally praise MS for not stealing or buying Natal from some gonna be broke company. This truly is a unique masterpiece that will surpass the laws of physics. Just look a teh video! THE REFLECTION OF CLAIRE REACHED INTO DA POND BEFORE SHE EVEN MOVED!!!!

I believe Lionhead studios haz invented da time machine!!!!

Nao I kno some of joo would be thinking... yeah right!!!
Are you calling that old fart that was presenting the video a con artist? That Lionhead studios haz no crediability?

YE OF LITTLE FAITH!!!!

[dustinmacd]

Hi all new here.

I understand what you are saying, and if we are being mislead it is quite a shame.

But from a technical aspect, any sane person will admit, it does have potential.

As well as Sonys peripheral, which i like equally, in some ways more just because i got to see headshots to skeletor like creatures , both have potential in each unique way.
I will say considering Microsoft did just recently last year buy out that company, it seems a little far fetched to have something that technical built in a year. I will say one thing, motion sensing, regardless of what companies it is a good thing, even if you wont use it. Heck I know i wont. The growing of any console encourages competition, which makes things better for us gamers. Regardless of what people think, no console is leaving, therefore let them fight, and let us reap the rewards of their fighting.

:) :)

[Socomer 1979]

Fckn creepy.
I told you all days before e3 & when fable 2 came out that this peter guy was a fckn snake.
He's like you saw that (in his fatherly voice) that was real.

This is too ghay. I would rather have the eyepet for kids than milo for women who can't get pregnant.
That was sad. How is the gaming world celebrating milo? Maybe American journalist need thier wives to have a virtual baby because they have low sperm count. Just don't tell milo what he doesn't want to hear.

I would have promoted peter monyleux too. He fckn fooled everybody.
I don't know how but just look at all the support from all the real xbutts.
My natural reaction was to vomit.

[HDgamer]

Need proof it's fake.

[360fanboi]

at 2:37,
Claire's evil reflection takes control of her hawt body and moves without her moving.

VOODOO!!!

NAO, gimme bubbles!!!!

[Rhezin]

it works though because all xbox 360 owners have fake personalities also. ;)

Burn in Hell you assholes. Sony Dominated E3.

[KaBaW]

Yes.. That makes perfect sense!
Cause, I'm sure there are no physics engines running or anything. -.-

Give me some 'actual proof' that this is fake..

[The_Zeitgeist]

I can't believe anyone even thought that the videos they showed during the presentation were real. Unless it is a stage demo it is just target video. Think about it. If Milo was already for his debut wouldn't it be more impressive to do a live stage demo. And we all know how MS likes to make a huge spectacle of their new stuff.

[DMason]

Uhhh, I just watched that closely and there was nothing fake in the water scene. Everything was exactly replicated, maybe a millisecond of lag but thats about it. This video is legit. Spong is a fake website in need of hits.

[xjoshbx]

Is f****** hot.

[Rifle-Man]

Damn, son! 'Bout time someone mentioned this.

[JeepGamer]

Those of us old enough to have experienced Microsoft over a long period of time used to use the term "Microsoft Development"

The term roughly means: Microsoft has two development teams, one that works at Microsoft and one that works at every other company that competes with them.

[pshizle]

sony fanboys are trying to cry out for help!

[timmyrulz]

Only time will tell if its fake or not, but you sony fans never learn always spouting stuff out and always been proved wrong, i.e

Sony will own 2007,2008,2009
MGS, killzone 2, lbp are system sellers and ps3 will over take x360
Sony will own e3 2006,2007,2008,2009

Need i go on?

you are so desperate for this to be fake and dismiss it, you will clutch at the very last straw.

If its fake then i dare say they wouldnt have done that whole e3 presentation infront of the whole world and get steven speilberg to ensorse it, and why would lionhead be patenting the milo thing?

[Saaking]

The video was obviously edited as Milo is just a prototype like Sony's motion controls. This is dissapointing; however at the same time, it's just Microsoft showing us what can be possible with Natal. In the end, I've got to admit I was impressed with it; however I still have my doubts. We will all just have to wait and see.

[jdktech2010]

You all complaining about this thought that there was a completely autonomous virtual intelligence that can react to any situation and is a person.

And your calling Microsoft dumb????? That's a riot...

All Milo is made of is code....he doesn't have a brain.....he doesn't think for himself. It's all code and if it's not, we're closer to the terminator world than we should be. They haven't been working on it for years so it should be understandable that they don't have every situation covered and therefore need to control the demo a little. It's just like a demo for a game. They don't show you everything that's not done and it's not like Natal and Milo is just some easy code. Of course it was slightly controlled but the point of the demo was to show you the Tech that Natal is capable of.

It's not like they're ready to ship the thing tomorrow. You PS3 fanboys will spin anything to make Microsoft look like they don't know what they're doing (even though they're leading in sale numbers and such). Anyway, I'm still looking forward to Natal.

My question to all PS3 fanboys.....why are you all so interested in what the 360 is doing and commenting on that? Is there really that much of a lack of interest in Sony's offerings you have to bother 360 and try to put it and it's offerings down. Seems like insecurity to me........

[rbrtchng]

I can't comment on Milo since I really don't know if I want to start my console just to talk to some pre-pubesant virtual boy.

But about that pond demo. Sony already has that released. It's the aquarium for the PSEye. In fact, Natal isn't revolutionary. It's the PSEye!

[JeffGUNZ]

Really? You and the other morons here can't be that stupid? Milo isn't going to be a GAME, he is an example of the personal interaction they are going for. Picture that kind of interaction in RPG's, like Mass Effect, Fable, or FFX...Where you walk up to people and have real intimate conversations. You can tell from their body language if they have something to hide or they are telling the truth. The possibilities with this are going to specifically raise the roof for all RPG's. If they implement this technology correctly, they will be the DOMINATING RPG console. Would you rather walk up to someone, hit your action but and read a dialogue that doesn't show any emotion, or walk up to someone and have a real personally interaction.

Think outside of the box. This wasn't fake, it's a tech demo morons. They are showing you want it will be able to do. The water motions are fine, remember, it's in the EARLY stages, meaning it isn't perfected AT ALL. You have to expect some flaws while they are working on it.

[Sizzon]

hahaha so many PS3 fans are jelous and now attacking Microsoft for this, hahahhah, so laughable, go cry and whine some where else.

NPS34G. Stop with this flame articles. So many flame baits at MS.... stupid dorks.

[bozebo]

I have no doubt's to the reality of the tech demo, I believe that it correctly performs all the visual and audio analysis algorithms correctly. That's all it is people, a bunch of c++ classes. The point is, it has been designed for that task... the achievement in itself is not that great, but it shows what can be done with it if the extensive effort that would be required to pull off a fantastic game was put in. Of course that "AI" is not running all sorts of things like "do the thousands of people watching me think my nose looks stupid?", "doesn't the placename Albequeue sound odd?", "oh she's changed her hair again!"... to have any of those thoughts a specific routene would need to be dreampt up and programmed. Today's technology can easily pull that off: it's not another moonlanding conspiracy; it's an example of an alltogether simple program.

In all honesty it looked a tad cheesy (lol, "bit..." was filtered so I had to replace it with tad). Lionhead are demonstrating what they intend to, but its presented in a way that makes the bits which are indeed fake seem to matter, they are not part of the tech demo - just they way they want to generate excitement towards it. The true impressiveness is the correct operation of facial recognition, voice tone etcetera - not the fact that a certain voice sound file has been played and then a path has been followed along the side of a pond... look at it properly, don't expect something magic to appear when we get games involving this technology.

[EasilyTheBest]

The Sony leg humpers are out in force...
The ripple part of the video, you guys can say what you like but come on, are you seriously saying a camera couldnt show you onscreen then a rippling affect applied to your image and then water put on top of that..
You guys have OWNED yourselves. The PS1 could do that!!!

[silverchode]

ps1>360?

[Shendow]

Wow most 360 users are about as smart as the Ai in A. Creed hoping the wall, sorry but Sony has been doing controllers like the Wii as well as the cam idea before most of the others have, so say as much as you want that Sony doesn't have anything good but it be showing us that you don't have the brain to understand the simple "They been working on it for along time" =^-^= so have fun with you RROD and Error 75 or 76 (God who knows what new problem comes next)

[Condemnedman]

are you gonna cry now ????

[troylazlow]

You need to practice your English. Use punctuation, it helps with sentence structure.

[CaptainKratos]

i faaking new it!!!

[gavrila]

ROFL Sony fan boys are so nervous !

[really duh 2]

$ony fans are desperate just face it Natal is going to be huge.

Soon enough they're won't be any need for controllers as we (360 owners) will be using natal to play games (Halo, Mass Effect etc...) while you pathetic $ony fans are stuck with stone age controllers LOL!!!

I feel sorry for $ony fans Microsoft is going to lead the gaming industry to a new era in gaming with natal but fortunately for $ony fans they will be left behind.

[batterystrength]

Maybe Sony has a stone age controller,but for me even an NES controller is better than having to dance like a monkey in front of a camera. Always remember: It is better to have a stone age controller than a stone age medium (like the DVD)

[JeffGUNZ]

DVD? Really? I am pretty sure it's still the norm, moron. Also, don't you see the wave of the future? Everything is going to be digital downloads. Blue ray will be obsolete in a few years. You will just pay for the rights of movie and be able to digitally download it and watch it infinity times. Blue ray is a temporary joke. Walk into blockbuster if you don't believe me. You are surrounded by DVD's and ONE LITTLE section for all the blue ray movies. It's pathetic.

[Sigge]

I couldn't belive my eyes when I saw this story on top !

IT WAS SO OBVIOUSLY FAKE but it does not matter because it should only show what might be possible in the future.

[Kas]

Definitely FAKE! Just look at the piece of paper at at 3:17 the paper is completely blank. Where is the picture of a fish?

[SignOfZodiac]

She was clearly ro-playing to a movie.. Look at (1:45 to 1:46) time. Look at her hands as she prepares as if she already knew Milo was going to throw them before he even picked them up..

Any who 360 is weak period. We all know this, even 360 players. Today marks a new day in gaming. No longer will we talk about 360 as of PS3 players. Only talk about PS3 and see what 360 players have to say then.

if you like 360 then play it until it breaks..

if you play PS3 then play it BEYOND THE BOX.

[lucifon]

Suureee...

I have both consoles and I play my 360 a hell of a lot more. I absolutely loved infamous, and its the first time in the few months of owning the console that I actually felt it was worth it and didn't want to sell it. But being a singleplayer experience I'm now done with the game, and that feelings returns.

Until Sony does some kind of interface overhaul for us heavy online gamers then any multiplayer game which comes out on both the systems I will get for the 360 without any doubt in my mind.

[pcz]

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people. Just like everything else in life, things never turn out the way you thought.

This project natal is no different.

[lucifon]

Seriously, picking apart the trailer to try find faults. Its quite clear what the motive is behind anyone who does that. Theres many articles out there that talk about their experiences with it, and it is real. Are they that proud about their console ownership that they have to pick apart what was pretty much a tech demo trailer, seriously?

[pocketaces11]

This is done for everything in the gaming industry now because everybody is trying to prove why there better then everyone else. It's quite sad.

This is old technology that sony has had since PS2 why can't everyone see that if they have made it better great who care until it's out move on.
Everyone needs to screw MS and boycot them for RROD and the fact that they keep re marketing everyone else stuff and never are inovative.

PS3 regardless of what all the X-bots say is a good machine... a really good machien with equally good exclusives (I think their better but I don't think anyone can objectively say either has one the battle hands down) so I will say equally as good exclusives. and it plays blue ray which to me is awsomn maybe not 4 everyone. and it has a proven track record to not break down even close to as much.

I don't know why everyone has to bash each consol so much to make them selves feel good about their investment I guess yes I would love to see lots of people switch to PS3. To be quite honest I've liked that PS3 has not lowered it's price becuase when I play online at my bodies on Xbox I find there is an abundence of adolesent idiots burping and swearing every two seconds. I have met way more cool fun people on ps3 and my body agrees when he plays at my place.

[Kolik_BLN]

the Xbox Community is mind controlled by MS. i can see that guy right in front of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And this is the reality. Full motion crap

[fm81]

me n me girlfriend probly gonna av sex in front of milo n see how he reacts or maybe watch a porn n mastabate while milo is watching ennit..i think he gonna just stand there n say,HELLO,..

[SignOfZodiac]

Its funny you said that because if I can recall alot of PS2 EyeToy users was doing some of the same things.. :)

This Natal is a joke if I may say. The way they talk about it and the way that guy looks... It reminds me of the movie "DEMOLITION MAN"

[SignOfZodiac]

The thing about gaming these days is most people do think its all about online, Trophies, Achievements etc. The truth is ganing is all about you having fun. Try to enjoy yourself and the game by yourself. Online gaming is cool, but going outside is better or (inviting friends over)

Online was made for long distance communication, not to use as a social network of life.

break away from that and you will be playing PS3 more+

Playstation 3 will be here in 2015, sorry to say 360 won't.

[bozebo]

tbh in 2015 the xbox... 1080 (prolly still wont support 1080p though) will maby have caught up to the ps3

[shaun mcwayne]

i have both ps3 and xbox and i find it funny that fanboys are going nuts over natal what if i said the ps3 wiimote was fake, dont be a hater just buy and box as we all know thats what ya want.

[SignOfZodiac]

I don't think people are hating at all. Just disappointed that MS paid someone to act out unreal gameplay when they could've just shown the raw item like SONY did no big deal.

360 owners should be hating on Natal for its for you not PS3.

And the fact that MS spent more money on Natal then fixing RRoD and said and I quote " There is no need to make a new system"

I feel sorry for those who play 360 and can't see between the lines.

I had one, and saw that 15Days after buying it. when are you going to see it?

[Instinct_Gamer]

use your own eyes shaun do you not see 2:36. Why are MS fans mad at people for pointing out a hoax? It's like blaming a fire on the FIre Department...

[xg-ei8ht]

Actually the killzone2 footage was shown because that's how they wanted the game to look and what they thought was possible.

People go on about how long killzone2 took.

The difference being, the engine was built first from ground up. and took alot of time.

ALot of 360 games are built using the ue3 engine, gears,mass effect, an engine that has been refined over time. Just like source from valve. Pc Engines.

Did killzone2 look as good as the cgi, in alot of places in exceeded it, in some places it was almost. SO i think that CGI display was infact pretty honest.

Did the GEARS OF WAR Bullshots look anything like the game. NOPE.

Just like the FORZA dev, Talking smack about GT5. No respect. Graphically and drive wise from what i've heard it's nowhere near GTP, Let alone GT5.

Lately M$ have got too co^ky, and we all know what happened to SONY going that route. People don't like it.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Yeah suuuuuure! 'A new gaming era' hence why their games look like PS1 games in HD right?

[xdye017]

HAHA SONY FANBOYS ARE CRYING OVER THE NEW INOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY MS HAS COME UP WITH. DESPERATE PS3 FANBOYS.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

The interface itself for this new Natal crap is very slow and lousy, but anyways I've always hated non-physical controls, it's just so rubbish even after 50 years of research (not talking about MS)

[Instinct_Gamer]

That's funny in the live stage demo there was like Half-a-second lag on Natal. IN the the Milo demo Natal is somehow half-a-second ahead in the future. Sounds like Microsoft is selling magic beans..... Are you dumb enough to buy?

[Hiruu]

I swear...Foxnews MUST have some advisors on staff at N4G...Natal is REAL...sorry, but many people had the opportunity try it, and it's far suprior to eye-junk!

[Bullseye]

I'm pretty sure it was fake to an extent, but hell, the potential of Natal far outweighs any current offering in my opinion.However, i'm glad to see Sony fans are on the ball with regard to FAKES,after all they should know how to spot'em, Sony have given them enough practise!! :)

Yes, i'm also a Sony fan myself, but natal could really revolutionise gaming if it lives up to it's potential. If not,then it's just another toy.

[divideby0]

I wouldnt say fake...I would say..highly staged tek demo.
This is ground breaking technology..and kudos to MS.
As I have posted...360 hardware cant do this and this was confirmed. that the hardware is really part of the camera...hence...its gonna be like 200 bucks and than it will fail....just look at MS with their rip off expensive addys...all fails..HDDVD, HD, wireless adapter....and now will be Milo if priced @ 200 bucks...this tech is really for the 720 or the PS3...in about 2 years

[bjornbear]

This is quite the flamebait article =/ bad title and HORRIBLE image, mods shud do smt about it =(...

Comments r js getting silly too...

[Roleplayer]

there's nothing much to go on - maybe the whole NATAL thing is a hoax...

[volcane]

The video reel was obviously just a mock up, and the avatar control and richochet game looked imprecise and a little unresponsive.

The Milo demo looked impressive, but actually when it comes to it, it is just smoke and mirrors. I think the Eyepet looks more fun to interact with and you can actually draw things and they can be interacted with in the world. I don't actually know why Milo is getting so much appreciation and yet Eyepet is being overlooked when essentially they are very similar things i.e. glorified tamagotchis.

[guerojose]

Truly unbelievable. All of the breathless exclamations about some canned videos, and a couple of live demonstrations that did NOTHING more than the EyeToy did on PS2. I read one of the articles describing the incredible pit stop performed by a family of four, then I saw the actual video and about crapped myself. What a joke.

I can just imagine the reactions we'd be hearing if Sony had shown up with such a weak, canned, and obviously fake presentation. Now, this may be something that eventually comes to market, maybe even for less than $500, and it represents an interesting possibility, but that's it. Whatever happened to the mantra "It's all about the games!"? Let's face it, the MS presentation was all smoke 'n' mirrors, and they had very little to say about exciting games, especially compared to Sony.

Of course, we'll all find out soon enough if anything comes of this. But I'm willing to bet anyone a million dollars* that you will not see the tech they're promising in 2010.

(* one dollar a year for one million years)

[Shamuz]

This site is ridicious, you cant express your opinions about something without being called a fanboy.

[gusman354]

Be afraid sony fans be very afraid.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Since the Ps3 boys are such futuristic optimists I wonder if they hate Natal because they've foreseen it keeping Ps3 the losing console of this generation definitively.

Or something else maybe?

The frustration and agony there going through is funny lol almost to the equivalent of someone teabagging an ant colony.

[Shendow]

Its mostly because MS hasn't fix all their problems in the 360 but they want to make a cam to? I mean we all know Sony made EyeToy an that didn't good to well but the PS Eye is alot better then the EyeToy an knowing Sony they aren't going to put it out to beat MS to the punch until they work out all the bugs. So all I have to say is we have to wait an see and so far it seems Natal is along ways off from being done.

[General Jewels]

Sony fans admit it your were blown away by natal, not your crappy dildo shaped wi-mote wannabe. Natal will end PS3 and perhaps even take over Wii in the casual market? yes Microsoft xbox 360 is going to the top!!! Natal cant wait!!!! Sony loses E3 once again blown out the water by Natal.

[General Jewels]

They losing so badly, they analyseing a trailer over and over to find a fault, PS3 is dead last admit sony lost everything, now casual market is up for grabs, Sony no compitition to Microsoft LOL. Microsoft aim to take over Wii, not crappy PS3 no one cares about. Soon Nintendo wii will fall, microsoft will take over everything, whereas Sony fans will be crying in the corner, with thier PSP hannah montana exclusive.

[General Jewels]

Will Be the end of PS3. Sony cant match this innovation.

[shmahat]

i don't care if the videos faked or if its a bit glitchy because its early tech or even if the finished product can quote any abstract fact thrown at it in a believable human random way or maybe even make up beautiful poetry relevant to situations from hugely complex algorithms based on all the greatest poets that had ever lived. that has to be the gayest s**t i have seen in years!!! what am i? 5? if you guys think thats awesome in some way, well enjoy! nice one MS, you've embarrassed me, you've embarrassed the gaming community, you've embarrassed your fans, but most of all MS....... you've embarrassed your self!

[JonahFalcon]

How did Microsoft embarrass itself. Did Nintendo embarrass itself with the WiiFit last year? I thought so, but....

[shmahat]

thinking people want to play with some middle class, goody 2 shoes, homework doing, newsround watching, teachers pet little twerp. all the possibilities laid before us in the creation of virtual worlds and peter molenewww creates a middle class, goody 2 shoes, homework doing, newsround watching, teachers pet little twerp??!!??
i wanna hang out with a kid who plays gta and smokes. a kid who swears and rips the piss out of dumb ass people in comments sections on gaming sites. now that would actually be making something for "us".

[JonahFalcon]

Another idiotic Sony fanboy post - this was trashed in Evil Avatar. Apparently, IGN, GameSpy and other major sites - you know, actual news sites who were invited to inspect it closely - came away impressed.

Hint for the trollish fanboys - software glitches are normal. Move on, stop crying. Enjoy the Sony Wiimote while you can.

[pocketaces11]

Milo is new ok great inventive kinda neat but will lose all the fun factor in 2 min. (ok that's opinion but here comes the facts.

Fact one
Natal is not new PS3 eye recognized movements and let you hit balls and do all kinds of that crap. So nothing new to see here move on.

Let's shut up about this until it comes out then we can see if it's actually better but don't try and say it's innovative and bringing the industry to the next level and all that BS.

Another fact that I will continue to mention 4-ever. MS RROD is inexcusable so x-bots should convert 4 that reason alone. they released a piece of junk and marketed it to death to you guys and you fell for it. Then when it failed to an overwhelming extent you kept going 4 it and even when the warrantee was over you still soaked more money into far beyond what a PS3 would cost you.

And you can all argue exclusive this exclusive that they both have some good exclusives if you would all just shut and try the other ones my preferences are by far PS3 exclusives except maybe Mass effect would have been cool to have I couldn't care less about halo and have tried them all. Halo online is well setup though some people need to mimic that.

the RROD was fact 2 with a little opinion built in but you x-bots probably still have some stupid excuse.

[pocketaces11]

If your going to disagree with what I say don't be chicken and hide behind a button reply to what I said and give me some fact as I'm sorry it's hard to disagree with RROD and well minded person would stop sinking money into a money pit that would make developers rethink being exclusive to Microsoft and will set them streight.

[FUNKANIC]

i can't believe no one's addressing the real issue here and that is we are one step closer to robots taking over the planet, for god sakes people get your act together and unite in your hate to stop this evil from plaguing our society, soon every living room will have an 8 year old boy in it, making us scared of every move we make, making sure we don't do anything that's not innocent or inappropriate in front of minors, that's how they'll get us, ya first toke on a joint in front of milo and bam ya in prison for 10 years............plus there's the other side of things who the funnel wants to make friends with an 8 year old boy ya fluming weirdos, anyone who buys milo should immediately be put on the sex offenders register list, period

[OldParr]

the technology is there, the milo project is there, even if it was fake. it is something possible. I am excited with this new tech, all the wonderful things u can do with it besides gaming which are the things that interst me the most

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

IT is so awesome....maybe there is just lag in the programing...its to awesome we cant comprehend its awesomeness ...end sarcasm

[PirateThom]

I don't know why the people pointing out that this is, shall we say, not entirely truthful are being called fanboys.

Natal may work, but good lord, it's blantantly obvious that Milo demo is staged, at least to some degree. I think the fanboys are the ones with their heads in the sand refusing to acknowledge the proof from a video Microsoft themselves showed.

[Karum]

Personally I think the concept of Project Natal is pretty cool, dunno if the Milo thing was faked or how "real" the press demos behind closed doors were but Natal is definitely an interesting concept as is Sony's motion controller.

Until they do something really cool with it for a game though I'll forget all about both, lol.

[osmarduban]

this is almost like turn 10 saying that theyre game is too good to compare to even gt which is a ridiculous statement.

[dcbronco]

But GT hasn't done anything amazing over the years. It's the same game with better graphics and more cars. Forza has changed things. And it doesn't take 5 years to get to market. It will be six if Forza lives up to the bragging because they will try to add roll-over to GT.

The thing is when Sony said the reason they didn't have damage was because of the manufacturers, they lost a lot of credibility. A lot of other games have damage, the manufacturers would be fools to not allow it in what was considered the standard in the genre. It was Sony's excuse for not pushing the genre forward. Turn 10 was willing to push it so I'm willing to at least listen. They are thinking on a larger scale than Sony. Auctions, custom paint jobs and damage are things they have over GT.

[Guitardr85]

Fake or not...I still have no interest in getting something that is trying to be like the wii or go past the wii. Call me crazy, but I'd rather play good games than stand in front of water for two hours!!!!

[Ninjamonkey82]

Even if it was a Fake Presentation have a look at the amount of replies here it drew up a lot of interest and i can tell you 90% of you will but it when it comes out.

[Delive]

When your a console manufacturer and you know the other company is coming with something and you can't match it (At the moment), It's easy to create a fantastic video of futuristic technology that is here today and working better than anyone would have ever guessed.Even if it was fake, if your fan base is willing to accept it and drive the hype, you succeed. That's what MS did, that's what the fans are doing. Double standard at it's finest.

[monkeynuts89]

I see that she tries to play catch up at 2:37, took me like 4 times just to make sure...really bums you out to see it lol e3 is over and everyones hyped, so MS better deliver!!

[troylazlow]

Microsoft could come out with something that would give you a massage and tickle your balls at the same time and there would be some article somewhere that says

"well it's really using last gen ball tickling tech, and if you look closely in the video at the 2:23 mark they system seems to be tickling his left leg! I don't know about you but my balls don't hang that low!"

you can't make everyone happy, but the bottom line is we won't know until we get our hands on it. if when it's launched it works as advertised, fantastic. If not then I guess Sony really showed Microsoft on that one!

When all is said and done I just want a robot that will tickle my balls!

[TheOutsider]

OWNED!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

[Condemnedman]

lol look at the losers crying like girls its embarrassing . just because Sony copied the wi remote lol

[PirateThom]

I also don't know why anyone is bringing up Sony. Sony didn't make Microsoft show fake footage.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

People are taking Spong as news? This site has about as much credibility as N4G itself. The article is just flame bait to get every one up in arms.

Look Natal is a long way off, they are just starting to ship dev kits and my guess is even that is going to be a bit delayed as they work on tweaking things. Natal is much more than just a f'ing motion controller. It is cutting edge, and it is still in its rough infancy. Sure MS could have just made a Wii clone (hello Sony) but they elected to try and innovate and do something the others weren't.

To all the Sony fanboys. Hey congrats, you now have your Wii mote with 1:1 tracking. If that is all you wanted then you got it. But I will say this now... a game like Heavy Rain would be 100% better if it had the kind of tech we saw in Milo inside it. Enjoy the Wii waggling in Killzone 3.

[troylazlow]

Well said, be happy with what you have, if you want something like Natal buy a 360 or wait till Sony scraps the dildo wii mote and copys MS.

[Godmars290]

Then how is anyone suppose to accept the Milo demo as anything but faked? Staged.

[OmegaSlayer]

A - http://www.youtube.com/watc...
B - Windows Vista is a great OS
C - RROD / E74
D - Project Natal

Thanks for the show.

Continue to pour money on these d*rks, please.

[Pandamobile]

I freaking love Vista. I've used it for almost 3 years and haven't had a single problem with it.

Same with my friends.

[vid33nyc1]

I cant beleive all the Aholes in gaming,websites like spong included.Its still in its early form but its REAL!!!Didnt you people even read the hands on at IGN.com of their experience and other websites.GET A LIFE.Stop with the fanboy hate.

[Godmars290]

Its weather or not Peter Molyneux has done it again. Written a check his skills or the current tech can't cash. Wont be able to deliver what was hyped and is currently being fanatically defended.

[Si-Pie]

I dont get why people are arguing over this! I think it has potential but also not fooled by hype! Its a wait and see attitude with me. I dont think this technology is impossible and think if you do your quite nieve! The technology which we consider as cutting edge is infact years old. So while I think this is possible and has potential I dont think we will see it available to the public anytime soon as its going to need more R&D before its ready to be released. So lets wait and see before we either praise it too much or rubbish it as an idea!

[dle]

Come on jealous folks. When Sony showed a mocked demo of Kill Zone 2 four years before the game was finished, I didn't sense as much resentment as I see with Natal now. By showing this much jealousy you are only confirming that MS is hitting on something big that perhaps your other favorite systems won't have.

[All-3]

Hmmmm...

Once Claire's portion was over, we took Milo out for a spin. For my part, I walked with Milo over to the pier, grabbed the goggles that he threw at me, performatively snatching at the air, having already seen the video during the earlier keynote presentation. To put them "on" I had to make loops with my thumbs and pointer fingers and wrap them around my eyes. A guide on the bottom of the screen instructed me to make them just so. Goggles on, I leaned over the pier and splashed a reflection of myself in the water. I could drag a finger around or make a larger splash with my hand. I could even ripple the water by "lowering" my head towards the screen.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

[Szarky]

5 pages of little girls b!tching. hahaha. man, I never thought motion controllers would get so much love on N4G.

[dcbronco]

The reality is the moment, 2:37, where the left hand doesn't seem to have "touched" the water with the right timing can be explained. It's not as if this is real water and she is really touching it. It's the computer and cameras interpretation of what took place. So if the computer and the camera misrepresented her hands move forward(it was moving forward when the water reacted), that is a calibration problem. Not proof that it is fake.

And as far as the Milo character goes, it is based on Project Dimitri. An AI program Peter Molyneux mentioned several years ago. He has always believed the AI would be revolutionary and if it does do what was shown, it is. It's a shame that Sony fanboys can't even except that the combination of the camera and the AI will revolutionize the way games are played. The EyeToy has been around for years, but don't hate on Microsoft because Microsoft took the technology in a totally new direction. That is Sony's fault for missing out on that opportunity.

And again, Peter Molyneux has been working on Dimitri for years and I'm sure MS has been working on the programming for Natal for years, so if Sony had wanted to use the EyeToy in this manner, they should have done it. Like the fanboys have pointed out. The EyeToy has been capable of most of this for years. Weather or not Sony is capable of the level of software programming to pull it off is their problem.

[Godmars290]

Especially when the tech delivering it is still in development.

[dcbronco]

The fact that it either needs calibration or is not as accurate as it needs to be means it needs work. Funny that Sony fanboys can't come to grips with the fact that this can work without a device in your hand. They seem to have no problem believing Image Metric can use cameras and software to create full facial animations for many Sony games without putting dots on the actor. Some companies are ahead of others.

[bigjclassic]

And everyone at E3 was like "Natal this and that!!"

Well it never mattered really honestly. It not like the 360/PS3 motion controllers are going to help them topple the Wii.

I got a Ps3 for games that are mindlessly fun like: Uncharted, KZ2, VF5, Resistance and a couple of others. While I got the Wii for more complex games like Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, SMG and SSBB.

*edit*- I dont think that gamers are jealous in anyway. They are just a little tired of MS products being forced down on us as "superior and the cool thing to do."

[mario2man]

(opinion)
If it is real I don't see how anyone would think this would be fun unless you are a child pedophile

[-x.Red.x-]

so xbots CAN'T cry to milo...

too bad...

[Shrinkwrap]

All of those MS Shills in here trying to push this crap with there spin, are about as good as natal showing the bottom of an avatar's foot.

BAM! MS Shills are laggy, gimmicky, and just glitch out.

If I want to see an Avatar foot,
I'll walk around in Playstation 3's HOME.

Have fun ladies.

Thanks, for making my gaming experience that much better.

[be_wrong]

it is fake. but if they pull it off this would be great

[gamingisnotacrime]

I think he is full of himself and sees himself at the level of Hideo Kojima. He talks as if everyone is anxiously waiting for his thoughts. Liar, wanabe and creator of good games that promised more than they delivered

[kazan]

1220^?!! lol

[Silber]

If Milo ort Natal is Fake, why the Heck shoud Microsoft or Molyneux let it test by nearly hundred Reporters?? That woud not make sense at all.

Microsoft itself says that Natal is not ready yet, so there is a lot of tuning in the future until its done. Thats the same as you woud play a Beta/Alpha of a Game and blame it for beeing buggy..

[ZILLA]

m$ has nothing for the future,and they tought they were cool getting FF13 and MG then SONY drops the nuke which is FF14 and GOD OF WAR!!the only thing the xbox is good for is warming up a cold room.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!!

[gamingparadise]

I was more interested with the 360 games that were presented like Halo ODST, Forza 3, and Splinter Cell Conviction. But back to the main topic. All of the useless headlines like the one used for this article are ridiculous. The author is dissing MS for trying something new?

I personally am not looking forward to this motion sensor crap as I prefer traditional handheld controllers. But calling a project of a well respected software company that makes millions "fake" is simply retarded. MS is just trying to expand their business. Same with Sony since they are also a well respected electronincs company.

People who bash on these large companies are just plain clueless. Do the people at MS or Sony really give a crap about the useless, hate filled ridicule being thrown at them? Man, the hate never seems to end. We should just be grateful that these two companies are working hard to improve the overall gaming experience for all of us gamers.

[Shrinkwrap]

Milo is a GAME, that's it. A GAME.
It's not AI (artificial intelligence)or AE (artificial emotion).

Anyone who has played the old, text only based games understands how the game Milo works along (with voice commands, motion detection and pre-rendered animations ( I don't think the xbox could handle real time)).
Key words and (or) movements are selected from a variable pre-determined database selection for that task.

All this simple old technology, strung together.

Kinda like the PS3 game Heavy Rain, only instead of pushing a button like in Heavy Rain.
you use your voice or body motion to determine the limited path you will take.

Would make a great interface for your computer,and a few Selected game types.(Like the Milo game)

I'm not very good with words, so if you understood this great.
If not, Sorry.

Best description from me is an animated database (quicktime database)

[riceandbeans]

Yup, that's right. C'mon, what advertisement actually shows the actors playing the game live? Of course, it's all pre-recorded stuff. That's what they do in every gaming commercial/advertisement. This is common sense. You want to know what else? I don't think those people in those Wii commercials are really having that much fun!

[tiamat5]

You know what is truly amazing is not us Sony people jumping to say that it's fake. It's the Microsoft people jumping to say it isn't. I we are so insecure as you all claim us to be then forget it. Just sit back and let us talk our heads off and wait for your precious Natal. But you see this is what is called doubt, that gamers suffer from. I love to play my PS3 and wouldn't trade it for the other systems no matter what. But just like Nintendo fanboys somewhere in your minds you have serious doubts. You have the Wii and claim that it is the greatest system ever, but yet Nintendo is being left out of so many things. While Sony owners complain about not getting the downloads for grand Theft Auto 4 and Fallout 3, Wii owners don't even have the game to complain about. And every game that they get in the franchises is either an older version or an inferior version. So doubt creeps into your minds and you jump on forums to shout anyone down that says anything. That is what is happening here now.

Microsoft owners want to believe that this is real so badly, they don't realize how many questions have remained unanswered about the Natal or if it really will be coming out anytime soon or even what it might cost or if it will really will be as useful as they say.You don't even realize that the doubt has crept into your mind. This is why you get angry every time anyone calls it a glorified Eyetoy because it makes you realize that Sony has this technology too and could very well one up Microsoft before it could even dream of perfecting the Natal. You don't even realize that Microsoft will say anything to get you excited even if it means half-truths or exaggeration.

[Shendow]

@condemmedman

No but I think you might be or was it your M@M?

@troylazlow

No thanks, that is what happens when you party with friends drinking ^-^

[jdktech2010]

It's not a freaking person.......It was essentially a tech demo at the current time. It's not meant to be able to react to everything. It's all code. Milo doesn't have a real brain. The 360 doesn't have a brain. Natal doesn't have a brain. The only reason any of it does what it does is because code is written. How do you people criticizing it not understand that? It's pretty simple and I don't know a thing about programming other than a computer does what you tell it to and nothing more.

Geeze people are getting pathetic these days trying to bring down everything on either side

[ikral]

This "Milo" thing is so fake. No way X360 has that kinda power, not even PS3 has it. And Moulynex is full of you know what. If that works the way they want us to believe i am buying X360 when this comes out. But you know what, it doesnt work that way, ant it is not available now. Its just marketing. M$ had no real thing at E3, just promises. They are not fooling me.

[maxcer]

MS sent out Natal hardware to developers on June 1st, the day it was revealed. if you don't believe them then i guess they lied about that and those boxes are full of horsesh*t for the developer to eat...

[Sensoupie]

I blame Nintendo for all this motion-sensing gimmicky sh!t. Even though Natal looks cool, I probably won't get it. But hey, MS and Sony are willing to go over mountains to catch up to that POShovelware Wii. Milo is fake in the sense that it's not really AI but probably pre-programmed to understand basic things like color and certain word recognition. Molyneux doesn't tickle my fancy anymore after playing that glitchy Fable 2.

[Rowsdower]

Ever been to a car show, car companies always show prototypes of vehicles that dont really work to give you an idea of their vision of the future, so the whole Project Natal thing does not strike me as a big deal. They are called mock ups. Now if you somehow got the impression that this tech was ready to go then I'm gonna have to call you naive, to get upset over it is childish. E3 is for announcements and and revealing that companies plans for the future, part of that plan is luring in new customers. If Sony and MS are both trying to attract people who already are or may be interested in motion control games then they did their jobs. Sony's motion control visually is very similar to the Wii's, while MS had motion controls which seemed to push the idea of traditional controls free gaming forward.

I feel for Sony this generation, the least powerful console is in first when it comes to sales, and the most powerful console is in last. I'm sure at their planning meeting for the PS3 they did not forsee that. The motivations that attract people to gaming has become varied and nuanced this generation, it s very interesting to observe.

[theatticusera]

they need to start concentrating on more great games and not new gimmicks. I mean hell eyetoy on ps2 was meant to be revolutionary and you'll be lucky to find that in a bargain bin.