PS3 motion control confirmed

New handheld device works with PlayStation Eye to track gamer's movement; Coming spring 2010

[Jockamo]

THIS IS THE MOST BLATANT RIP OFF OF THE WII I HAVE EVER SEEN

wow and now look at their Mario Cart ripoff....seriously, wtf

[lokiroo420]

except that it fully tracks your movements and will actually be useful in real games.

[qface64]

you know sadly i have to agree with you
and anyone that disagrees is just being silly
it look the same thing as wii motion plus

but actually it seems like they just put this on last minute though

wheres GOW3 D;

[Lariat]

This thing is not even on par with WiiM+ let alone Microsoft's Natal.

And it looks like a lolipop. LOL

[Anon1974]

How many times have you been playing on the Wii and simply get tired of constantly having to point the Wii-mote at the screen? Maybe it's a limitation of the Wii-mote, maybe it's a limitation of developers creativity but either way it bothered me. The demo they showed for this looked awesome, and far more accurate than the Wii-mote. Demo was certainly more inspired than Microsoft's Natal "Watch me throw paint" demo. I can actually see myself using these in an actual game, not just some party game.
Could be gimicky but it totally depends on what they do with it. That's the key. Like Microsoft's Natal, we'll have to wait and see.

[chaosatom]

lets see some games being realized, and then we will start comparing it to Natal or Wii-mote.

[Information Minister]

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[jwatt]

I think MS forced Sony to show this off early it just looks like a last minute thing. The first person view was pretty cool but I think Sony showed it off earlier than they wanted too. The guy was nervous as hell and they just seemed unprepared.

[Aquanox]

Fanatic or not, one has to agree that this has little to hold against Microsoft's Natal.

[Silellak]

Of the three motion-sensing additions (Wii Motion Plus, Natal, PS Motion) coming out, Project Natal is easily the most ambitious of the three...but that almost means it's the most likely to fail. Still, I am fascinated to see what talented developers will do with all of them. In the end, that's all that really matters.

@1.10:

To be fair, the $200 is purely speculation at this point. I would be surprised if they try to price it above $99, but anything is possible with Microsoft and their accessories.

And using the PS3's existing camera accessory is irrelevant. You will still have to buy it for motion control, and only a fraction of PS3 already have the camera. I imagine the pricing of both will be competitive, but we'll see. At the very least, the additional competition will be a good thing for both companies.

[darthv72]

All you need is a 360 (any model) and a semi expensive camera system ($200 ouch).

This idea sony has at least uses their existing camera.

[user858621]

glad you agree then that;

halo is a half life rip off
gears is a kill switch rip off
forza is a gran turismo rip off

[Dread]

lol

blue motion control dildo.

truly a first in gaming.

[FragMnTagM]

I was thinking the same thing. PS3 dildo action anyone?

[krisq]

Natal is looking far more advanced BUT... On all videos of it and even on the wii, input has a massive delay. I'm not sold on all motion controls but if I'm gonna ever buy something like this, it better be uber precise and very responsive. I don't care if I will have to hold a dildo or nothing, or whatever for that matter.

[whoelse]

I think it looks pretty decent, but I agree that it was probably added in the last minute, hence no accompanying video.

It should go nicely with the PS3 slim that was... oh.

And come on Sony, STILL no price cut!

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I don't see it, but i don't exactly go around looking for dildos everywhere.

[menoyou]

Finally with these motion controls we have real 1 to 1 mapping and game-play. That presentation was simply amazing. I am really hoping both Natal and PS3's new motion control really work as well as we imagine. Nintendo is getting left in the dust though with their inferior technology and games. They will still be selling a lot though I'm sure.

[PS3MAN85]

If you think this rip off of a Wii controller was a show stopper - you are indeed a fanboy. This is not innovate in the least bit...and neither does that copy-cat Mario Kart rip off. I mean seriously, if this stuff gets you excited to be a PS3 owner...this is a sad, sad time for you guys. It's funny that people try to rip on Microsoft's ground breaking camera technology and Sony comes in with some last minute piece of plastic...lol! It's funny to me.

[BrunoM]

ide say these and natal the biggest thing taking them apart is the guys at sone press sayd spring 2010 microsoft said we will use it in the future no date ..

[doG_beLIEfs]

Playstation Lifestyle hinted at this a MONTH ago. Aside from that, Sony filed a patent for this control method YEARS ago. Technology like this does NOT happen overnight. The was even rumors (which now appear to have been true) that a focus group was shown this over a year ago.

This is true 1 to 1 control. Notice the controller going forward and back on top of going side to side? Wiimotion+ does NOT do that.

Nintendo took the Genie out of the bottle and MS and Sony are off in different yet FAR MORE advanced directions than Nintendo.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs...

http://technabob.com/blog/2...

And here is the patent...notice the DATES?

http://appft1.uspto.gov/net...

Before you spout your drivel, you should KNOW what you are talking about 1st.

See the date of this article?

Not content with the Sixaxis tilt-sensitive controller on the PlayStation 3, Sony has applied for a patent that covers a game pad with absolute position sensitivity. Is this an attempt to steal the Wii's thunder?
By Jeremy Reimer | Last updated December 15, 2006 3:50 PM CT

The original patent was from 2006

http://appft1.uspto.gov/net...

[PS3MAN85]

Be happy with your slightly updated, better Wii controller for your PS3 then.

[vhero]

People who compare this to Netal need to wake up this is completly differnt technology and it will be used for completely different things. Netal will offer a lot in the stuff Spielburg did but this will be pointed more to the younger generation like the wiimote and be used also for sports games something the Netal probably wont be best at bar a couple. They are completely different product aimed at completely different markets.

As for a wii ripoff hell it's better than a wiimote even with that crappy addon that does everything thats the wiimote was designed to do in the first place! The wiimote is a plain ripoff anyways as it comes without extensions most new games are gonna need. The nunchuck was far enough but the motion plus addon?? they trying to bleed you people dry especially when games like red steel 2 FORCE you to use it.

[finbars75]

Sorry to break the news to you but the wii took the motion in the controller from the ps3 sixaxis.Thats why sony sued and won.Check your info before you put your greasy tiny fingers on your keyboard.Oh by the way the wii took the look of there controller from the dreamcast original look of there controller.But dreamcast was to far ahead in the future back then that it didnt pay off.Check your info again.The sonys controller looks very similar but oh my it looks like it was perfected to a tee as nintendo still cant keep up with the competition.Do you have any knowledge of games.Mariocart to modcart are you kidding.Two totally diferent games with different gameplay.Oh by the way the natal wasnt even really shown what a gimmick thats going to disappear sooner then later.Maybe if MS would stop with videos and show us what the hype is all about then i would be impressed.When it comes out late in 2010 possibly 2011. thank you Jockamo for your lack of knowledge.I mean what are you going to do when sony releases there 3d virtual which puts you in the game and the enviroments are all around you.They have it they didnt show it because they dont want us to get to excited.Wait until the movie Avatar comes out and then you will get an idea of what sony is all about.The first 3d virtual movie.

[Christopher]

But the demos they had and the fluidity and control of it was really well done. The dual controller set-up is just what you need, and I see lots of issues with Natal if they don't move to using controllers of some sort.

Problem, though, is I still don't see this type of control activity being implemented in our mainstream, hardcore games, especially by third parties. I do see Ubisoft putting out some very nicely updated versions of Red Steel 2, though.

[N4g_null]

LOL lokiroo420 so who are you suppose to move in a FPS type of game? And will your guy have a funny looking ball on the front LOL? What games are going to use it and why is there no release date?

[snp]

Gotta say, there's plenty of trolls in this place today... Reading through some of these PS3 threads - missed conference last night (way too late night/early morning Oz time) - it's really quite distracting just how many tangential non-PS3 posters are in here dissing this that and the other.

Happens in all forums, i know, but i guess is just that much more obvious when there seems to so much denial that it happens 360 on PS3 direction (just arguing with a guy yesterday trolling who claimed there weren't trolls hovering throughout the PS3 sections to the same degree - the evidence is the contrary as i poke my head through literally a couple of dozen different usernames flooding rants through a range of these threads this morning..).

Anyhow, side issue.

On this, i'm not convinced. Looks way too early. Actually, i'm not convinced this or the Microsoft one will come soon enough to get enough sales and then software support to mean anything this generation however they turn out. See this, and Natal, and whatever gets shown presumably at next years show as more 'here's a direction we might incorporate heavily in our next PS/Xbox' practically speaking.

[thesummerofgeorge]

It looks like it's actually smooth motion capture, not cheap LEDs tracking within a small area. And if you wanna know how many 12 year olds we have here just count the posts that call it a dildo .... HILARIOUS kids, cause it's phallic, as if that's a criticism or something. What's so amazing to me, is the accuracy allows it to be used as virtually anything, not just in childish or mini/party games, but using the tech they use for mo-cap with the glowing ball, makes it so we could use this in any of our favorite shooters (if applied to them).

Imagine a Lightsaber battle in 60 fps with these puppies..... It would be spectacular with that accuracy... you could actually spin it around n whatnot, making it about skill, and not just frantic movement, the motion controllers equivalent to button mashing. Oh and the bow n arrow demonstration look so fun.

[All-3]

Errrr... with the upcoming Wii Motion Plus add-on, 1:1 tracking is also possible - according to Nintendo.

[All-3]

Basically, everything that the PS3 motion sensing technology can do - Microsoft's Natal can do... but Natal also adds full body gesture, as well as face and voice recognition.

If you want an actual "controller" to hold... then there's always the upcoming 3rd party Gametrak Freedom Xbox 360 motion controller. It may also come to the PS3.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

[Anon1974]

Oh, I'm sure Natal can do those things too, my point was you couldn't tell from the demos. MS's demo of Natal just made it look like it was geared towards the family, party game crowd to compete with the Wii. Sony's demo showed how their tech could impact games I would actually buy. I have no doubt Natal could be used similarly, but clearly from that demo that's not the focus Microsoft is going for, so I'm not holding my breath that I'm going to see Natal implemented in anything but party games. However, it is still very early.

[indysurfn]

first motion controller

Microsoft, they are the original makers way back in 1998! Wii came out in november 2006. Some people are not able to think outside the box and research something. They will repeat the FIRST criticism a person comes up with. And NEVER research the truth. So how are ignorant people acting like Nintendo made it? The first one was made in 1998 by microsoft for a PC game they made called microsoft flight simulator. The controller is called the 'side winder' I bought one I know. But here is your proof if you was not born yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Also guess where the first webcam motion detection device appeared? That's right on a pc using microsoft windows.

So:
1 First motion controller was made by Microsoft.
2 First motion detecting webcam was by Microsoft.

No WONDER they are the ones to make a controller less
system!

[lokiroo420]

@ scissor

did you miss the part where they explained that motion tech in certain games need some type of button inputs, like fps where fast button pushing is the only way to have fast repetitive shots on screen.

[derseb]

this is in no way a rip off. it just takes the thing to a whole new level.

In my eyes this is the only system accurate enough for real games. If they develop some great, full games for it, it will be unstoppable!

[Tito Jackson]

Nice vibrator. :P

[lokiroo420]

Hey Tito nice career!

[Tito Jackson]

Thanks!

[N4g_null]

lokiroo420 no I missed the part where they had a control pad on the stick or a analog stick.

/sarcasm

Fix that sh!t sony other wise it will be a lame excuse at a fps controller. Right now I have to give it to MS where you could still have two input devices in your hand while the cam tracks your body... will they do that hell they better because we want hardcore motion tracking with spatial controls damn it other wise don't release any thing.

Great showing but we need more games and better yet halo full on motion controlled and a what killzone 2 motion controlled? I mean at least say you have patches coming! Seriously I can't wait to get sdks for this stuff if they even plan to release any of it.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

You said: "This is not innovate in the least bit...and neither does that copy-cat Mario Kart rip off."

I'm curious to hear what you think about that "Joyride" game (do i have the correct title there?) that MS announced at their conference.

[Omega4]

I seriously thought they were joking lol, they didnt even name it

[Forrest Gump]

It's a prototype,don't worry :)

[Jockamo]

i think they felt they had to throw it in at the last minute. the presenter was obviously reading right off the teleprompter and there was no structure to the presentation. it's almost like he was playing with it for the first time.

sony's pissing me off right now

[Omega4]

Thats exactly what i was thinking. I guess all those leaks and Natal made them have to reveal it early, just a bit too early

[Anon1974]

At least we had an actual look at this in action. I thought the demo really gave us an idea of how this would be implemented. Microsoft's Natal video left me asking "Yeah, but I'm a gamer. How is this going to effect games I'll actually buy?" Sony showed that off. We'll have to wait and see if they deliver, but at least it seemed promising.

[ravinash]

Jockamo - Sony would piss you off if they created a true virtual world that you could walk it to. you don't like them...we get that.

[Jockamo]

...but whoever runs the peripheral department needs to wake up. It's an exact copy of the Wii+. What else is there to say? If we go back to the "demographic" of the PS3, as well as the COUNTLESS discussions about casual gamers vs hardcore gamers, then you'd realize that most PS3 gamers are hardcore and most casual gamers don't want to pay over $300 for a new console.

I love the PS3, but dammit stick to the kinds of games that made Playstation popular in the first place. Not a complete, absolute rip off of a peripheral.

[Disccordia]

I think the fact they said it was a 'prototype' gives them the opportunity to go back to the drawing board and effectively copy Natal (if they wanted to) which I think is the most impressive of the motion sensing technologies shown.

[SuperM]

I really liked the demo where the guy held a shield and a sword. That looked pretty frikkin fun. I would love an epic swordfighting game using that kind of control. And the bow was pretty cool aswell. I dont see why people are complaining. Who cares if its inspired by the wii-mote or whatever. The only thing that matters is that we might get some really cool games using these controls.

Natal was the most technically advanced one, but i dont know how it will feel to play games without a controller. I have a feeling Natal is more casual oriented while the sony version could be used in more hardcore games. Also sony is using the PS eye so its probably gonna be significantly cheaper then natal.

[trancefreak]

Looks like ms forced sonys plans early either way they'll all have motion capabilities now. I do feel that the motion sensor was tossed last minute but i dont care for any of them tbh.

[RememberThe357]

What did you want them to call it? Fetus?

[no-spin]

when the racing creator game and motion controller launches, just dont buy them. Wii mote ia a failure for core gamers. Sony might do justice to the gimmick

[MGOelite]

NO FANBOYS BETWEEN WHICH IS BETTER PS3 OR 360 MOTION CONTROLS. LETS JUST AGREE THE WII IS FUKED

[Bladestar]

well...

Xbox 360 (No device) > PS3 (more accurate than wii) > Wii mote.

I do agree that the wii may be in serious trouble.

But out of all... I think Sony straight rip off the wiimote... it's probably more advance, responsive and accurate than the wiimote but.. the media will eat Sony on this one. At least Microsoft got it done without requiring any device or any technology that assimilate the wiimote.

Edit:
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@digger18 - lol! yeah? You sir need to show us a url with video proving that sony's eyetoy have the same capabilities as microsoft technology... please show us the link that can show that it can do everything the new motion technology can. Let me ask you Something genius.. if the eyetoy could actually do everything.. and not just what advance PC camera can do... why did Sony release this new wiimote ripoff that you have to hold in your hands?
I will be a believer if you show video of the eyetoy being able to detect and identify motion and exact position of any body member in 3d space.

By the way.. what happened to Sony's sixaxes.. Sony does not even mention it no more... as if never existed.. lol.

[digger18]

Bladestar, the Xbox Natal is a rip off of what the PS3 was showing with the eye toy awhile ago.

[heroicjanitor]

Could you be any more hypocritical?

You just said that sony ripped off the wii mote but is more advanced, why doesn't that apply to natal with the eyetoy?

[cryymoar]

I will say that the Natal looks pretty sweet, but that video they showed was all CGI and actors making it come together, i want to REALLY see how it works. The Natal will either work and hit, or be ahead of it's time and miss.
I liked how the PS3 motion controls came in equal pairs instead of the asymmetrical setup of the Wii remotes, and this looks pretty useful for hardcore games as Sony showed with the FPS, Tank, bow and arrow, and RTS.
So at least Sony had some tangible real time tech demos instead of some CGI and acting. We'll find out who wins next year i guess.

[Gue1]

The thing reads everything in a 3D space and with 1:1 response time... that just killz the Wii-mote...

[digger18]

Just for you Bladestar:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Guitarded]

....and Sony sucks c0cks, one in each hand. That pic looks like he is ready for his first. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

[UnblessedSoul]

Overall looks to be a better product then the wii plus and microsofts ones

[tbone432]

I totally argree with u man, this thing was spot on with his movement, on my wii there is def some lag. How ever i can not say the same for motion plus cause i have not used it.

It seemed to work better than natal, and also did u guys see him try to show the bottom of the avatars foot, there bones must be made of rubber or somthing.

[mfwahwah]

I think it's better than Natal. I like buttons. I don't want to do everything with my body. What if I want to pause? Do I have to freeze myself in time!?!?!?!?!?

[jack who]

just saw it on tv and god i was ashame for sony

[ravinshield]

was that a joke or was it jack tretton's night toy.

[MGOelite]

you had to didnt you?

go perv on milo

[jack who]

i tho it was at first but they just kept going

[bigjclassic]

MS /Sony needs to stop and focus on GFX.
/sike

welcome to the future.

[No_NaMe]

Sony just quit out!

Natal will blow u away!!

[lokiroo420]

BAM!!!!! youre obviously mistaken!

[deshon09]

you mite be right but but i think this is the least of what we have heard to make us excited

[Omegasyde]

Cool I already have the camera.

Wow, SO 360 users have to purchase a new camera and controller.

Surprised they didn't show eyepet.

[Scotracer]

Only with the 360, you already own the best controller evaaaaar ;)

[Montreafart]

Where as Sony's motion project actually WORKS in real games.

They can use it for 1st person shooters, 3rd person, action adventure, racing, RPGs you name it, they can do it.

Can Natal do that? Hahaha Natal is for casual babies who like to browse through XBOX live a la minority report. You want to play games, say COD Modern warfare 3, FF14, GT5 just to name a few, ONLY THIS MOTION PROJECT WORKS, because it cant just TRACK, it also registers thanks to the controller.

[ravinshield]

yea im pretty sure that control will satisfy you.hahaah

[Bladestar]

idiot.. lol! seriously are you that dumb? Microsoft technology can detect all body motions without requiring a device... now this does not mean that you can't hold a piece of stick.. if that your obsession... because it detects the motion of your body and not the motion of the devices in your hands... Microsoft technology you are the input device... you have to be kidding... lol!

[Pennywise]

Bldestar, quit acting like Sony hasnt had PSeye since PS2. Get your head out of Steve Balmers Arse.

[Jandre02]

Microsofts camera is a crappy version of the Eyetoy! You can do everything they did on the 360's camera with the PSeye with a software update.

Sony's controller infinitely better. They have the best peripheral now. I mean come one, the guy at the demo couldnt even paint a damn picture! Where is the precision in that?

[deshon09]

well we know it would happen

[kalioon]

copy? if it aint broke?

The wii made a new controller, of course it will be copied, like how we all use controllers now, or mice, some one had to have been 1st.

looks good, and should be cheap for those of with a ps eye already. seems to have much better tracking than the wii. plus it has buttons, unlike natal....

[40cal]

They kind of took a shot at Natal in the presentation, with the whole you could only do this with buttons.

Seriously though this is the best motion tech I have seen, for Christ sake the damn thing detects motion to less than a millimeter.

[mastiffchild]

I don't know as it was much of a dig at Natal but I admit that, while I'm not that bothered about Sony/MS doing motion controls, I was also wondering how MS would get past a few instances where buttons/triggers seem unavoidable. Shooting games, driving games and other games where the real life equivalent would need a trigger of some kind are what I don't see Natal being able, at the moment, to do without a further add on.

But, hey, I thought they were both very impressive in tech terms but the truth is even if Sony seem less far along they do have an advantage with the camera already being out. Whatever happens I doubt we'll see anything about the two for a long while, maybe even next gen so arguing about two things that we have no idea about is a bit daft.

[Jrome]

THIS RAPES THE WII...that was a crazy demonstration

EDIT----

also that racing game is a copy of mario kart as well, but it seems to do it a lot better.

Improved on 2 nintendo ideas. Very nice.

[N4GayFanturds]

It looked liked they just got some tv sets and some glow sticks and smacked it together and came on the stage and said; "This is our motion controller!" ROFL

Most of the stuff wasn't working either! That was unbelievably horrific!

Instead of demo-ing the thing (because it wasn't working), the guy kept saying; "Imagine if this was Ratchet's gun.", "Imagine if this were a game..."

Imagine if the thing worked!

Horrible!

[kalioon]

it worked perfectly, and with real ps3's........ where was the xbox 360 when natal was demo'd? oh yeah, not there....

[Omegasyde]

true/

[Qui-Gon Jim]

And Kudo's Avatar convulsing wildly in an attempt to lift its foot was a smooth demo? The stuff in Natal's demo that looked best was scripted and staged for a film crew. Sony's was working fully in real-time on stage.

[Chicken Chaser]

Nice Try

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

lol, your avatar combined with your comment is just sooo fitting!

[Pika-pie]

The FPS looked really cool. Think developers could do so much with that.

Coming spring :) It will be out years before Natal.

[Arnon]

Natal is set to release in 2010. And honestly, it's so far ahead of this. This was one of the worst things I've ever seen at E3.

[bjornbear]

It not HORRIFIC! its not Horrible! In worst case its a rip off but what on earth are you on about? Are you THAT biased by your console to disregard truly interesting technology?

Im not very fond os MS or the 360 (meh) but the Natal was very neat and interesting and i commend them for the ambition. Why do you have to come here and spew complete nonsense.

1: it was the most precise "motion sensor" thats probably ever been presented.

2: its a PROTORYPE, get over it.

3: its stunningly simple = and the 1st rule of good Design is: Keep it stunningly simple (K.I.S.S)

which means 4: it will be cheap (far cheaper than Natal = far more sales)

5: it has multiple application (both hard core and casual gaming)

6: it was a true tech demo and everything worked, unlike Natal where only tech demo FAILED, everything else was a deja-vu of Wii Motion Plus last year (VIDEO...wow how unscripted)

PWN.

[Arnon]

Biased?

YOU'RE SUPPORTING A GOD DAMN WAND. Sony literally had no innovation with this, and you're calling ME biased?

Grow up, kid.

[Tyre]

this is just so amateuristic....you take 1 ball out of a motion capture studio and put it on a stick and pretend it to be some new technology...lol...Natal is lightyears ahead of this this is just mediocre..Natal uses Full body motion tracking and you can even track multiple people simultaneous this is just tracking 1 ball haha old stuff. Natal has Face and voice regocnition all at the same time.

[bjornbear]

1st rule of Design. Don't need cutting edge technology to have cutting edge design and playability =)

As i said, both Natal and this were very impressive. This impressed me more 1st hand because the Tech demo of Natal was quite Video / show and i wasnt full blown convinced. This was demo, but wow it was amazing track speed. Lets js hope its not too expensive =)

[Blackcanary]

The Eye Toy for the PS2 was the first thing to bring full body motion controll to game consoles remember all those fitness games on the PS2 for the Eye Toy they used full body motion to use it and play don't believe me check this video out on youtube.

[HDgamer]

Yeah their mario kart rip off which is nothing like mario kart except the racing which Crash Bandicoot ripped off.

[kewlkat007]

You don't even have a name, was this last minute "We also have this too" project?

Seriously it is a "mote" just like the Nintendo Wii and I think the new Wii-motes suppose to use similar upgraded tech?

[bigjclassic]

Nintendo Motion+ comes out next month, while Natal and this come out next year. A lil too late

[joe90]

omg lol sony ripped off wii with this 1. lol. microsoft ripped the miis but sony stole there whole console.

[timmyrulz]

seriously that was p1ss poor

[Tunerboy8732]

The demonstration was pretty good they just need to change the look of it.I know it was just a prototype and all but that thing looked like a toddlers microphone lol.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

not my type of thing unless..they do online sword fighting

[Jrome]

Tell that to a game dev, it could happen. That's the first thing i thought of.

[joe90]

u get easly excited about having 2 black poles in your hand. hmm a camera that can detect full body against a stick that lets u pick up stuff. who would play a serious fps like cod with a stick in there hand if so that means your a casual gamer who wants to play games with itlol i will never see you in a cod game cos i wont touch the ps3 but i feel sorry for you goin up against some1 in cod with a unacurate stick against a milla movement analouge stick. and n4g i hope you remove his fanboy comment cos you removed mine on the psp go

[Socomer 1979]

1 thing is for sure graphics will be better than project anal.
We won't see this till 2011.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Wow, I didn't think Sony would do it! MS has stayed away from the waggle/Wiimote rip-off stuff. Still though I think this will give Nintendo a run for it's money.

[Cintai]

Pedo fulfilled with Milo,, BUT Sony users will have their g@y fantasies come true with their sony trademarked Dildos in each hand. They can now show their true love for sony now.

[Sez]

"Sony users will have their g@y fantasies come true with their sony trademarked Dildos in each hand". OMG that had to be the funniest thing i heard so far. bubbles+ for that one. that was great.

[TheOutsider]

yeah! i'll buy one for your MOM since daddy cant get it up anymore! Ha OWNED Bi*CH!

[Cintai]

Laughed themselves to death after seeing that Sony became Dildo sellers.

Sony fans can now watch g@y porn on their browser while moaning Trent and Kaz's names while riding their Sony Dildos

[Golfcoachh]

So if you want to do certain things you have to buy 2 of them, and a camera, cuz I dont have a camera now. I wonder how much that will cost. That guy looked like me the first time I got in front of my high school class to give a speech. I will withold judgment on how it works until I see a game with it, but I don't know.

[Gamer_Z]

A wiimote awesome just what we needed to play final fantasy cart

[PtRoLLFacE]

looks like wii motion pluss but still cool

[NegativeCreep427]

It looks like a lollipop! How Lame!

Didn't any of you idiots hear them say that was not going to be the final design of the motion controller; that was simply an engineer prototype!

And anyone who didn't see the Archery demo and can't tell how much more advanced the motion technology is than the Wii are just F'n jealous that they won't be able to get their hands on it.

Ignorance will prevail for them!

[Cintai]

sure they are at the moment dildos but.. MS uses no controllers at all as well as being facial reconigtion and voice recognition.

Don't know if MS vision will come true but if it does it will be good for Sony as well. Since everybody uses everybody's ideas nowadays Sony would then come up with their own, that does the same or added features.

But this garbage they showed is nothing compared to Natal. I was actually embarrassed about that presentation.

[Da l33t Monkey]

Hehe a true rip-off.. but hey, can't be the only ones in the motion bussiness, and not everyone can afford the technology MS can (Natal)

At least its better than the wii mote, since you can use to of them simultaniously, like shown with sword and shield, unlike the wii that can only handle one motion controlled object at a time.

Pretty funny how the wii got screwed at this E3.. Its only selling point is it's controller, and both MS and Sony have a better alternative to that now :b epic fail nintendo

[Blackcanary]

Ever Heard of the Eye Toy that was released for the PS2 back in 2003 that hard full body motion control or the PLaystation Eye for the PS3 that also have full body motion control and games for both of them that have full body motion control bloody get ur facts right.

[Froccoownedu]

I guess project natal is a rip off of the eye toy because it came out first.And why does everything have to be a rip off?In my opinion the only way something is a rip off if it looks just like something else already released.At least it dosen't look like the wii-mote then you could say that, but you cant.

That's just like saying like saying Forza is a rip off of Gran turismo,or prototype is a rip off of infamous.

[bjornbear]

But i must say, out of all 3 its so far the most impressive.

A) they are actually doing a live demo: Natal didn't

B) Motion plus wasn't as precise.

And above all...Natal misses one key factor. Humans in general need a physical reference. Its ambicious, but i personally prefer having something physical to translate to my mind.

Hate all you want, Natal was interesting, but no real demo? js film? and read it works but how stable is it? and this is indeed the most solid motion caption i've seen...

+ they were honest "This is still in development".

+ probably will work better than any of the other two motion sensors for hard core gaming ;)

[FragMnTagM]

Natal did have a live demo. This looked interesting, but they need to drop the dildo look.

[Random404]

They demoed natal onstage. They demoed it to journalists at the show. Don't know what you're thinking.

[Struz]

Oh yeah, the live demo went something like this:

"You ever wonder what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like? WHA-BAM! There it is!" - avatar onscreen convulses wildly while guy tries to raise his foot.

[Gun_Senshi]

the tracking speed was amazing.

but i hated motion sensing since eyetoy on ps2

[Ninjamonkey]

As great as project natal looked, for actual proper gaming this might be better...

I mean project natal is great for the casual audience. But his it what I really wanted. It can be used for FPS games, fighting games and other genres.

And YES, with the tech we have buttons are still needed and I just cannot see MS's no controller scheme working with proer games for the gamer audience...

[volcane]

Looked very accurate, you can actually write with it, and not like Natal where they just slopped paint towards the screen.

Seems like it will be more practical for normal games, even First Person Shooters.

[Ninjamonkey]

The 360 no controller thing just cant work for hardcore games.

If your playing an FPS, you NEED buttons for triggers. and what about moving forwards? great the 360 can track you in 3D but you can actually walk as theres your TV in the way, so you NEED buttons.

MS's project natal isnt ready yet, its a gimmick, sonys think may look odd (old model) but it I can see it actually working in REAL GAMES

[Montreafart]

Natal can track full body motion yes, but TELL ME WHAT GOOD THAT IS WHEN YOU CANT APPLY IT IN REAL GAMES and not casual BS.

SONY can apply it to real games like COD6, Killzone 3, FF14 to name a few.

How is Natal going to track that imaginary bullet, you fking dumbass.

[NegativeCreep427]

You have just proven to me that common sense is prevailing!!!

Natal looks to be just a somewhat simple application. The Archery portion of Sony's motion demonstration, where kneeling on one knee actually makes your on-screen character mimic the motion.

Sony's motion tech with the Playstation Eye actually shows promise to be applied and enjoyed by hardcore gamers, which is the complete opposite of what the Wii is doing now.

[Arnon]

FF14? Are you a f*cking ditz?

[Thargoth]

Way better than the Motion plus for Wii and more practical than the Natal. Very cool

[Revvin]

I think it looks great ,as does NATAL. I'll probably end up buying them both because I'd rather do that and play some current gen titles than play last gen titles on an overclocked gamecube. Nintendo are going to run out of steam, they have no place to go as Sony improved the current tech and Microsoft have taken another approach altogether. Great times to be a gamer

[mochi]

it looks like a psfanboy suck^-^

[bjornbear]

Exactly my previous point...and what sold me with this more than NATAL, this wasnt being marketed as a "casual gimmick peripheral" , and i think it'll work with basically any game =O thats awsum!

P.S the kart gaming is mario kart ripoff if mario kart had full customisability...

I'd say it'd be more fair to say its a kart racer (mario was the 1st, so its unfair to say its a rip off for all kart racers =/) inspired on LBP (full customisability, don't get tht in Mario Kart =P)

looks sweet =)

[Dragnipur]

Sony had to show this device ... MS forced their hand! and interestingly the Sony device seems like the most likely to succeed due to how easy it is to use!
MS pulled out the big guns (Spielberg) for Natal and that shows their intent and concern, in that they needed a BIG name to endorse the device!
Sony's motion controller is a vast improvement over the Wii controller + Wii motion plus, as the tracking and speed of controls are incredible! This is not a pointing device. People can moan about it lack of ambition of the device, but think about it, you wouldn't need a new camera, just a regular Eyetoy and the sticks! The Natal on the other hand is bound to be an expensive piece of kit IMO! The challenge for MS would be to retail the Natal at under $100.

[S1nnerman]

I liked the demo. It was live, in real time, very sensitive and has - on the PS3 - many applications as the presenter pointed out.

[Struz]

I'm with you, a live functioning demo that looked fun to use is great!

[Cajun Chicken]

I genuinely thought this was quite good and actually worked a lot better than the stuff shown by MS's onstage. Sounds like a lot better worked out idea with a huge lot of fun put into it.

[WeaseL]

Just one word about Natal.
Accelerometers, Natal can't judge speed accurately
It will be nice to play Human tetris though.

[siyrobbo]

natal isnt the only 360 motion controller coming out, theres the gametrak freedom as well

[Midgard228]

it looks cool, tho honestly who cares if wii has one too, now all 3 consoles have it, know whats the difference? ps3 doesnt revolve around it, the wii shud have always had motion plus from the start.

and personally i think the wii sensor is horrible, motion bar is extremely limited, after playing RE umbrella chronicles i noticed its not precise.

and mario kart rip off? its a KART game wtf do u expect, if it was a regular racing game then it wud be ripping of gran turismo, need for speed etc etc etc so stfu.

im amazed at the kart game tho, the track creator looks amazing

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Natal will be great for casual/party games and is an AWESOME interface to the dashboard, but Sony motion control is WICKED accurate and i could easily see it used in more hardcore games.

[Midgard228]

imagine the new motion control for the new Elder scrolls game, that wud be amazing, or a virtual sword fighting game where u fight other players online, wud be awesome :)

[TheBand1t]

Watch the Xbox fanboys who complained about Sony fanboys damage control yesterday do a 180. Oops, too late.

That aside, both MS and Sony had an awesome conference.

[ElementX]

I happen to like the motion controller

[nycredude]

Wow alot of trolls here Huh? Jealous much? What happened I thought MS had a great show? Personally I think teh motion controls worked pretty accurately in the demo. I already have the eye so I'll pick it up when it drops.

One of the demo when he was attacking the dummy with the sword and shield got me thinking if Demon's Souls used these controls that would be rad, but then again I would probably die of a heart attack playing it as that game is hard as nails.

[specialguest]

Not really that impressed since there's already the Wii-mote plus due to be released soon. The MS Natan seems more fresh and innovative.

I will also need to purchase the PS Eye to make this work?!? Umm...I'll stick to my original Sixaxis controller.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

We don't know anything about price for either yet, so let's not try to complain about what has to be bought.

[specialguest]

I just checked the price of the playstation eye and it's only $34 on ebay. If the Natan cost more than $100 dollars, then my original comment no longer applies.

[Ravage27]

i used to shun casual games, but that new motion controller might be the turning point for me. The demo showed how amazingly accurate it is,and i believe it will add depth as u actually need aiming skills, really impressive tech demo.

Wow,i'm still smiling :D the show really pick up serious steam towards the end. ok time to sleep, its 4am and i need to sleep XD

[SIX]

As much as it's the same as MS's motion sense it's also different. For one, I can see this being very cool for fps games and fighting games. As cool as Natal is it still doesn't have the force feedback and how are you supposed to shoot witout a trigger? Also very impressed with the precision and how its pin point accurate.

[360_Rules]

Sony droids got Owned big time! Hahahahhahahahaa this sucks compared to Natal. After all the Nintendo bashing for motion controls! Hahahahahah!

[silvacrest]

i like it, it was so responsive
but reading the above comments, it did seem rushed

[tiamat5]

I was amazed how accurate it was. The way the guy shot arrows, and fought with the sword and shield was impressive. He was even able to write his name legibly and write PS3 E3. And what made it more impressive is that it was only a prototype. So just imagine what the finished thing will be like. With Microsoft and Sony in the motion control business, Nintendo must be pissing their pants

[christoph203]

I watched E3 and this was the most impressive thing there.. it looks incredible ... watch the footage and then comment .. the crowd was amazed with it .. I was drueling really amazing technology in it.

[jack_burt0n]

accuracy is key for proper gaming and it also opens up third party wii titles to be ported i hate the idea but ppl want fitness games

the sword and shield demo reminded me of demons soul and that is cool

[yoghurt]

I have to say I'm not a big fan of all this motion control stuff, but this one actually looks good and you can see how it would be used in games - could be interesting

[AuToFiRE]

i think this has much better functionality than having toshove your head up someones arse

[Dante43]

I honestly got to say, that control is weird looking, but after seeing the gameplay on those dummy/target, I got to say I'm frikking intrigued and can't wait for it! Especially if it a game like Red Steel but better made.

[Says you]

In Motion sensing that's why Sony owned you and Microphony and the Natal thing has been done its called Eyedentify.

[kumashii38]

I really want to use this for FPS.

[Blackcanary]

are something that have never been done before.

The first console to ever show anything to do with a motion censer and full body motion control was the PS2 with the Eye Toy with Games like

* AFL Premiership 2005
* AFL Premiership 2006
* AND 1 Streetball
* CMT Presents: Karaoke Revolution Country
* EyeToy: Kinetic
* EyeToy: Play
* EyeToy: Play 2
* EyeToy: Play 3
* Formula One 05
* Gaelic Games: Football
* Gretzky NHL 2005
* Karaoke Revolution Party
* Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol
* MLB 2005
* MLB '06: The Show
* MLB '07: The Show
* MLB '08: The Show
* Sims 2
* This Is Football 2005
* Tony Hawk's Underground 2
* Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
* World Tour Soccer 2006

The Eye Toy came out in 2003 games like * EyeToy: Kinetic uses full body motion control.

The only thing these companys have done are taking this idea and improved on it.

another video of * EyeToy: Kinetic from youtube.

[USMCj]

What a day to have an xbox.

Have fun with you're awesome cell graphics supermegahella console....

That just ripped off the god damned wii.

lmfao.

[Blackcanary]

MS and Nintendo Wii Ripped of the Eye Toy for the PS2 and PS3 and just Improved on it. Get ur facts right please. Damn am i the only person on N4G that remembers the Eye toy on the PS2 and on the PS3.

[USMCj]

I might be reffering to that oh so wii mote thing your sony man is holding.

I didn't say anything about natal or the eye toy.

Stop stroking your own ego acting like your the only one with a brain on this site.

[GUNKILLA]

look sony has the uper hand because they have the eyeyoy and the 2 controllers they can do what they want to do and what xbox hae done if they want to

[yoghurt]

blackcanary: I remember too don't worry, people are clutching at straws because whilst MS had a good conference, Sony came out and blew them away. Simple.

That motion thing MS showed isn't far beyond eye toy and eye pet, sony have taken it a step further with the motion control they showed today, like I said earlier, i am not fussed about it too much, but that's why I am sooo pleased there are loads of great games coming too

[Blackcanary]

Someone that understands i'm not a fan boy i own all 3 consoles i may like the PS3 a bit better but i can have a fav. I just don't like when people lie and get there facts all wrong thank you for showing me that there are smart people out there cause right now with all the crap that's around its hard to see.

[bob saget remix]

People act like this is something new. Its not. This does look very fun though. People just need to learn the eye toy could all of these things.

[bigj]

Look at the guys face in the pic.Its like hes thinking why the f_ck am I holding a dildo.I guess thats Sonys way of telling all the people that paid $500 for the ps3 "you got F_cked" ROFL
Could you imagine going to answer the door with that in your hand.LOL

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

saying it again.

"Meh..."

Far as games Sony did well, but I don't think we need the PSP Go. Neither do we need this.

I want Sony to ramp up PSN rather than deal with peripherals. This feels more tacked on than Sixaxis.

[Cyorg]

The first thing they said when they went on stage was that it's just an engineering prototype. I'm sure the retail version won't look like that. Grow up people.

[Pintheshadows]

Just stop. Did anyone here watch the press conference. "its like the Wii". Stop taking crack. Natals better! Stop doing Ketamine. Did anyone notice how accurate it is. Did you realise it tracks movement with no delay. One person ability doesn't mean it doesn't work. Do you think Sony would have just thrown this in at the last minute. This crushes Natal and the Wii into a tiny ball and deficates all over them. Natal made me embarassed to own an Elite.

[Da l33t Monkey]

Ah spring 2010!.. UPS i live in europe, and knowing Sony I will probably se this in like 2011.

Like with dualshock 3, GOD how hard is it to ship it in europe for thoes guys..

[JJFNIGHTS80]

Project Netal is the most ripoff of the Eyetoy I've ever seen.

[Rhezin]

HIGH PRICES DO NOT SELL NOWADAYS. Now you need to buy an entire t.v. to experience motion control? WEAK. Sony totally blew everyone away with the announcements at their press conference. The metal gear rising going to 360 was a big blow, but so was Rockstar's Agent being ps3 exclusive, FFVII classic being available TODAY, FFIV PS3 EXCLUSIVE, Next Media Molecule Game EXCLUSIVE, The new trico game, Awesome gameplay from M.A.G. AND extremely awesome gameplay from Uncharted 2 AND Assasin's creed. It's too bad M$ didn't show Assasin's Creed II, looks like ps3's the lead platform for that sweet gem.

[Zerogamer]

I think this actually gives more use to the ps eye.

[tbone4690]

Where did you get the idea that sony sued nintendo? You are such a sony fanboy, that you are thinking the crap you make up in your mind is true. Sony, and I belive Microsoft and Nintendo were all sued because of their rumble tech used in their controls. Microsoft and Nintendo settled out of court while, Sony decided to stay in court try to fight and lost anyway. So no everything sony does for the most part is steal the competions idea and does just a horrible job at it. the Sixaxis is a failed concept. Microsofts tech Natal has been in development for years, but at another company before Microsoft bought them. The company showed this tech off last year at ces I believe at which I believe Microsoft jumped at how much could be created with this tech. Sonys ideas work in theory, but never seem to pan out as they planned. They are good ideas. Home was a good idea, but it just isn't catching on. I know for one, the sony online is horrible, there is no sense of community like the 360 has. So Finbar, please please know what you are talking about, cause some of the things you said just sound like a blatant lie.

[Lord Vader]

OMG all Sony does is ripoff Nintendo !!!

- D-pad
- Analog Sticks
- Wii Mote

They already tried to copy the Wiimote with FAILED six axis = lol !!!

L A M E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ziggazee]

Truth is i love my wii.. This lux just as accurate if not more accurate than wiimotion+ and with the ps3's graphics and hardware.. Y wud i want to play on the wii anymore?? I like the way you play fifa on the wii but ps3 will soon let you play both wii style and standard the ps3 dual shock controlles.. Im not sure how i could us natal for these games, but honestly i think its embarrassing jumpin round like that, il always prefer playin with a normal controller rather than jumping round or shaking a waggle stick.

[indysurfn]

Microsoft, they are the original makers way back in 1998! Wii came out in

november 2006. Some people are not able to think outside the box and

research something. They will repeat the FIRST criticism a person comes

up with. And NEVER research the truth. So how are ignorant people acting

like Nintendo made it? The first one was made in 1998 by microsoft for a

PC game they made called microsoft flight simulator. The controller is

called the 'side winder' I bought one I know. But here is your proof if

you was not born yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Also guess where the

first webcam motion detection device appeared? That's right on a pc using

microsoft windows.

So:
1 First motion controller was made by Microsoft.
2 First motion detecting webcam was by Microsoft.

No WONDER they are the ones to make a controller less
system!

[FinalomegaS]

I remember that, and they aren't the same thing.

You're trying to say The device also has three movement axes; X, Y and Z (rotation). mouse like input device, was mainly the ideal item for FPS.

wiimote:

The Wii Remote has the ability to sense acceleration along three axes through the use of an ADXL330 accelerometer.[12][30] The Wii Remote also features a PixArt optical sensor, allowing it to determine where the Wii Remote is pointing.

M+:

The device incorporates a dual-axis[13] "tuning fork" angular rate sensor,[14] which can determine rotational motion. The information captured by the angular rate sensor can then be used to distinguish true linear motion from the accelerometer readings.[15] This allows for the capture of more complex movements than possible with the Wii Remote alone.

I know the thing about the internet, everyone thinks their right and yet we can all be wrong. If this is the case then MS would obviously have full blow rights to sue nintendo, have they?

[indysurfn]

WRONG read the wikipedia link it will inform you. These abilities are mentioned in the articles (just a small sample) ---
" The device also has three movement axes; X, Y and Z (rotation)
---
" and the stick itself was twist able for Z/rudder/spin control. "
It was MORE advanced than you want to give it credit for.

But even if you had been right (which you not) how would that change the fact it was still the first motion controller which is the whole point of my post. Not what you decided to change it to a Z axes argument.

[FinalomegaS]

so did I miss something? It seems that many people played wii motion +?

[Iceman100]

i though the wii and motion control was for kids...you know a fad? Actually what games do they have will work with this?

"THIS IS THE MOST BLATANT RIP OFF OF THE WII I HAVE EVER SEEN

wow and now look at their Mario Cart ripoff....seriously, wtf"

oh yeah i saw that too was wondering what the crap was, and motion control comes packed in with the wii since day 1 no extra charge.

[rjackson1]

Just saying 360 was better.

[castortroy]

How is it does it even make sense to some of these posters that Microsoft can totally rip off the PS Eye and it is "ambitious", and when PS does the wiimote way better it is totally copying and pointless and "rushed".

I think Natal looks way stupid. I think it does ABSOLUTELY nothing new! That painting was the worst ever, and I would shoot myself if I had spent the 10 minutes it took to slop that "paint" on. That was so basic, yet it is somehow way better than actually being able to motion control using what Sony has come up with.

I honestly don't take anyone's opinion seriously on here anymore. It is getting beyond irrational.

[pansenbaer]

Okay people. Reality check. Here are some videos.

Project Natal - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

EDIT: Found this article. http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

"Here's the amazing thing -- I played with the Natal for all of 5-6 minutes, and I have to say, it actually works. "

Read the article and you'll find out how he feels about it.

First of all, check out the disclaimer at the bottom. 'Product vision: Actual features and functionality may vary.' So this was obviously just way to get people excited about the product. While it does look promising, nobody knows how much of it will come to fruition. The idea that only a camera can tell your body movement and track it one to one is exciting.

Sony's Motion Tracking...Thing - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

As lame as some of the things are that they are doing, it is an actual tech demo showing what is possible with the technology they have. While a 'copy' of the Wii Remote, it seems like it can differentiate itself enough to avoid criticism. The movement is exact and precise. Very promising.

Wii Motion Plus Tiger Woods demo - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is just upsetting. This is not one to one tracking. It looked the exact same way during E3 when they were demoing it as well. It is really sad that Nintendo was the first console to use motion sensing as its base way of controlling, yet it seems Microsoft and Sony beat them at their own game already.

And now for some other videos. Police 911. - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Very similar to a lot of the stuff Microsoft is 'envisioning' with Natal. Different technology, but similar results. Obviously the 1 vs 100 and menu navigation is different.

And last, a video of Kinetic back on the ol' PS2 - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I don't even really have a comment for this. Its old. You don't need a controller. I know the technology is different.

So with that said, how about everyone knocks off the, 'they copied them' and realize motion will be a new way of interacting with games in the future.

[Hobadoon]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If so, the Sixsense debut was more exciting than the Sony E3 debut today. The Sixense demo has been up since last year sometime and it shows what Sony showed off today and more. I thought this kinda technology was confirmed for the longest. Me and a lot of the people that I hang out with knew it since last November. This was not impressive the 2nd time (It was rushed as hell) The 1st time I saw sixense it was great though.. until I saw Natal...

More on Sixense:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[MADPIRAHNA]

I thought this was going to be a joke but I was very impressed after watching the tech demo. Now I am actually looking forward to trying this out ..

[PS360PCROCKS]

Hmm I didn't see the video but read about this. Seems cool, but Microsoft absolutely owns in the innovation department for E3, Natal is a very cool idea.

[SOLIDSNAKE1983]

Haven't sony/microsoft/sega etc. always copied nintendo?

Every modern controller is based on the first ever nes design (function buttons on the right, d-pad on the left, start button in the middle).

All the current rumble pads are based on N64's rumble pak that was bundled with lylat wars 12 years ago.

The new PSP 3000 redesign includes a microphone that has been avaliable on the DS since 2005.

Surely people realise that sony and microsoft look at nintendo's designs and innovations and then copy them, but also improve the useability/functionality for the hardcore e.g. dualshock with built in rumble vs the original attachment for the n64 pad (same idea but improved).

[Droid Control]

sony's thing is a baby step...

Actually, i'm surprised they showed it after seeing what M$ came up with the day before.

I'd still like to see how i can play COD with Natal though...

Imagine scaning you body and face into a 1 or third person shooter. You become the avatar!

[andron]

Project Natal is a very good idea, I'm sure Nintendo kicks themselves for not coming up with that. But it too has yet to be proven how useful it can be in games.

It's great that all three companies are trying to invent something new. You could see it as MS and Sony trying to copy Nintendo, but the end results will be different. Motion control is the new big thing so it's only natural that they all are doing it.

The real test comes when new games comes that use these systems. And there Nintendo is a bit ahead of the rest. So it will be exciting to see what this means for gaming and rather pointless to argue which system is best until they have been put to the test...

[ZILLA]

KRATOS Fck m$ in its mouth(period)!

[MaximusPrime]

looks good.

considering great collection of games sony has and will be having. this motion control probably going to be a hit.

i like that archery idea. will they bring out SotC 2? ;)

[G4drake]

now, thats a dildo

[ArcticWolfUK]

do you people seriously think that microsofts thing works? haha
why do you think they never showed a live demonstration
and its a tacky looking ripoff version of the eyetoy on ps2 but probably worse

ps3 motion sensor blows it, easy.
imagine FPS games with it? quality

[enjoi187]

did you see sony use the dildo sticks....only crappy tech demos felt like we where acctually watching technology that came out like 10 years ago.....the wii remote does a better job...guy was trying to shoot a arrow and it was all over the place....horrible

[The Master Chief]

Microsft did SO MUCH BETTER. Sony look like rookies in comparison. They didnt shaw ANYTHING new or cool.

I thought they were joking with the Wii-motes at first lol

[Vizion26]

Sony copies Nintendo with the cross button layout of the SNES controller. Then the analog and rumble of the N64 controller. Then belatedly adds motion controls to the Sixaxis after Nintendo announced motion controls. Now they are blatantly copying the Wii remote with their colored ice cream cone controller.

Sony has no shame, no dignity, no creativity.

And by the way, Motion Plus tracks one to one movevment as well.

[no-spin]

why cant Sony be more like MS and deliver the minimum requirements with low quality manufacturing and overpriced accessories.

Or be more like Nintendo and use the same IPs over hundreds of times just to milk money out of the consumer. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Zelda Metroid ....Pokemon silver, red, blue, gold...

I hate to have the six axis, specially when playing Flower, or Flow, or Rug Doll Kung Fu.
(scsm)

Why does Sony keeps giving PS3 owners more bang for the Buck?!?!?!
shame on them

[bozebo]

I wasn't aware ps3 users wanted motion control... plus they already have it :/

Though, this is probably more intended for the japan market

[no-spin]

The best they could do was a paint elephant, and that had NO precission just a bunch of splats done by a "pro". The son of the Doctor in the lab was able to use a sword with 1:1 response, interact in a 3D environment, all that with a last minute preparation (it was awkward)straight from the lab.

Natal for gaming is still to be seen, all they did in E3 was very casual gimmicky Wii style crap

[teto83]

this was bound to happen. Sony just makes things better and this will appeal to more people to come and play. Natal is a rip of the eye toy, i just can believe they show that with a straight face. this is an industry that lives of innovations and those are bound to be repeated by others. get use to it.

[Andras84]

After this...the Wii can dig a hole and jump in it. The biggest selling point of the Wii was it's motion controlls and this is 100x more accurate.

Sony really did steal the show this year.

[bylee]

stop stealing ideas

[enjoi187]

im pretty sure microsoft had invented or came up with for the PC....motion sensing technology sticks/camera what ever.....long before the eye-toy......

so Microsoft PC >natal> dildo sticks> wii-mote

[mochi]

This controler have no inovation
This is entirely Wii+ Copy

Shame on you, Sony

[Yomiro]

Sony did not steal anything they made wiimote better. just like the Americans invented the car and the Japanese made them better.

[Zhuk]

Only Xbox 360 provides gamers home entertainment that's truly 21st century and pushes the boundaries of what is possible in our digital lifestyles. With the history changing announcement of Project Natal, Xbox 360 will undoubtedly be leading a technological revolution that is going to be felt for decades to come and that will have applications in not only home entertainment but in all aspects of our digital lifestyles.

With Project Natal, Xbox 360 is set to becoming the true convergence device of not only this decade, but of this century. Xbox 360 has not only changed gaming forever with the announcement, but the world has changed forever.

Compare this gigaton history changing announcement by industry visionary Don Mattrick to the disastrous Sony announcement which involved two glowing ice cream shaped dildo's in a pathetically embarassing and rushed attempt to counter Xbox 360's history changing announcement.

Sony's announcement looked horribly last gen, out of touch, pathetic and this signifies what is wrong with the PS3. The PS3 has been outclassed by Xbox 360 in every way, and it truly shows at how the PS3 is being left behind while it pathetically tries to copy the Wii without any of the originality or brilliance that Xbox 360 has shown with Project Natal.

PS3 glowing ice cream dildo's are a disaster, Project Natal is 21st century digital lifestyle future.

I know which one the history books will be Jumping In on.

[Jeppe]

You're very funny :) This reminds me of Baghdad Bob.

[soren]

their was noting new in Microsoft or sonys press. noting to say oh snap! I wanted to see a zone of the enders 3 new jack not the same games we already new were coming out. And i kinda exspected more halo but atleast thats more of a suprize then ps3 press. And ppl need to stop stealing its not hard to make something better then a wii mote when u already no how to improve it any one can do that. more reason how its a copy why the F*** THEY MADE SAXONS? THEN ANOTHER ONE??? UM YEA think about that pretty random and i cant see this thing being used for real games but u never no is there a analog stick on this thing? hm and natal i see as no real game ever being used cus i cant see my self playing a game not having something in my hands its just odd

[MajesticBeast]

What i find so funny is people were blown away by milo which was scripted while sony london studios has been hard at work with eye pet for atleast 2 years now and i think its gonna be out sooner plus it looks better the things you draw come alive.

First step was eye of judgement
Second step is eyepet
Third step is ????

Just imagine sony there motion controll + eye pet tech.

thats gonna be it.

[lrn2hate]

IF you think this thing is a knock off of the wii remote your dumb. This does everything the wii remote should of been and more. I have a ps3 and 360 and love games. I bought a wii and returned it the first day because I was annoyed at how inaccurate it is. Being able to use this with real games and amazing graphics will be amazing and I can't wait for it. The beginning of the demonstration was pretty cool, but I was sold with the sword and shield demo. So sick!

[Morituri]

MS's motion tracking will be truly like magic if it is for real. If they can pull this off, and if it is cheap enough AND if they make truly revolutionary games for this hardware, it will be a reason for me to risk the frustration of turning on my 360 which has been gathering dust for the past 3 months.

SONY's wand also has me excited. True 1:1? Phenominal. I can see alot of cool applications for this.

Lets hope they use the tech to push the gaming world forward, unlike nintendo.

[no-spin]

Amen

Nintendo is one year away to going back to the gamecube days. MS and Sony will open a can of whoop ass on those greedy bastards

[Tiberium]

so you need the camera and the controller to work it. Epic failure, I'm sorry. Natal all you need is the camera and it's more precise than this.

[crazyclown]

yo get over it Microsoft is a pure phail. How will it work with FPS games for example. Natal is a an evident fail and it is not more precise.

Did you see the girl playing on stage? she couldn't hit anything

[no-spin]

Precise?

the painting was a bunch of splats on paint. Did the used a gun, sword, write Something????

Natal showed at E3 only casual Wii crap. It will need to do better than that for real gaming, not elephant painting.

[crazyclown]

this will be so usefull especially in fps games

[Morituri]

Who needs the fragfish-fx dohickie controller thingy with this tech around?

[Gamefan12]

So trying to be unbias ... what I saw ..

Natal from xbox .. what did they "really" show us? a guy moving an avatar, which freaked out
a women playing the game
a guy painting by throwing buckets

This is stuff the eye toy can do for sure.. That video that they showed of what Natal "could" do is interesting. I hope they live up to the video , but we will have to wait and see. You guys are saying it can scan a frisbee and use it as a steering wheel, they didn't show that, just said it "could". Milo, cool interaction but again just a video and not live, we don't really know if it works as they state it will.

MS gave us a lot of "could do" but didn't show a lot of what it can do now. And as it has been stated before.. it "could" do a lot of cool things, but what about games? How will it really work well with games? and not just racing games. Without some kind of button, the reaction times will not be there.

Sony's motion controller I am really impressed with. Yes it is similar to the Wii but it does it better. For a prototype the accuracy of it is amazing. And already I can see it working for games, heck the demo "showed" how it already can work with games.

Oblivion with this, a sword and shield style would be great, then change to archery and shoot your enemies. FPS games with this accuracy will work. Heck, look at a 360 game Alan Wake. Imagine one hand is your flashlight and the other is the gun.

I don't see why there is so much hate here, ah but fanboys will be fanboys. Natal has good ideas, just need to see it get implemented right. The sony controller already looks like it will work great with games.

[Morituri]

Would you like your bubbles shaken or stirred?

Yeah, I'm very interested in both of the big boy's new toys. If they are as accurate as they seem, we gamers get a 1up once more.

[mr mintleaf]

Nintendo just made the concept popular, but certainly did not invent it! How many other ways do you think there are to implement motion control?...

Anyways, here's my take:

Nintendo has a 2D motion wand (up, down & left right)

Microsoft has camera sensing in 2-d as well, no physical controller for input select (ie. buttons)

Sony has a 3D input control: up down left right PLUS forward and backward (to and from the screen!) Thios was perfectly demonstrated with the bow and arrow demo.. Also Sony's wand has buttons for input select, triggers etc. And since it uses the pS eye cam as well, it's a blend of both msoft's camera only and nintendo's wand-only approach.

In my opinion, Sony's wand is the least gimmicky (microsoft) and most robust motion device to date. It has 1:1 real-time 3D sensing with buttons. I can easily see this implemented in ANY game that you play, FPS, driving, RPG etc.

Forget whatever console you're emotionally attached to and look at it from a purely gamer's perspective. Which would you rather use for COD MW2 coming up in October, Nintendo wand in 480p, Microsoft's Arm-Waving Natal with no triggers, or Sony's super-sensitive, INTUITIVE 3-D controller, with all the triggers and buttons found on the rumble stick...

[Morituri]

The good thing is that both MS & Sony are committed to catering to the hardcore audience, so we should be getting some "appropriate" games out of this. No Kiddie stuff.

[Bunnyslippers]

This is an evolution of the excisting technology. Sony already showed techdemo's in E3 2005 with moving the cups. What Sony showed at E3 2009 was just an continuation of that technology. Instead of tracking cups the camera is tracking a wand with greater precision. I wasn't blown by the demonstration, because similar technology have already been shown. But it is good to know Sony technology is on the same level as Motion plus and other solutions.
I fail to see how Sony copied this idea, because some patents/idea's go back 5 years ago.

I know Sony also has full motion-tracking (like Natal). Because Toshiba/IBM demoed the Cell with a HD-camera and full motiontracking. It's not like Sony doesn't have full motion tracking, it just still in development.
Stuff like wearing virtual clothes have been showed by Toshiba/IBM. I am guessing this will ultimately end up on the PS3 or PS4.