To Bioware: Enough Of Trying To Put The Toothpaste Back Into The Tube

Godmars290 - 46 days 4 hours ago

By falsely promising it to a potential fan group in such a way that generally damages their reputation?

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Snoogins - 46 days 3 hours ago

This flip-flopping of PR statements could be happening for several reasons:

1: To keep the media and gamers' attention on their product as a cheap way to build hype and advertise.
2: To test the waters and see if potential consumers on a different console than previously supported will take the bait, making the port less of a gamble.
3: Strong arm Microsoft into caving in and offering huge bank for an exclusivity contract.
4: PR is actually slipping up and the most recent "Only on Xbox/PC" statement was to save their ass be it NDA or a clause on a timed-exclusive contract.

Personally, I don't care who isn't interested in seeing Mass Effect on the PS3 as I very much am and would gladly purchase the original at a discounted price and the sequel. I sold my 360 before I could complete the original, so while I did have a taste, I didn't get to experience in entirety.

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morganfel - 46 days 3 hours ago

Bioware are not trying to hype this game.
Bioware are not flip flopping on console release info.
Bioware are not trying to tease the PS3 fanbase.
Bioware are not trying to cover up future plans because of deals.
There isn't a outbreak of leaks on the web.
There isn't tooth paste outside the tube.

What they have done is respond to rubbish when it gets too out of hand and lately almost every two weeks now. Even all these denial articles keep the rumors alive. Bioshock was made by different developers this is why Me1 will not come to PS3 or ME2.

This high profile game is in the spotlight because of its AAA status and PS3 fans want it to play on the PS3 and to gloat over the 360 losing a exclusive, some even not really interested in the game.

reality:
There has been rumors created by typo's and bad translations from one company to company, branch by branch and country to country. Most games have these errors but because the game is wanted for whatever reasons on the PS3 people are looking and watching out for any trace of clues, dirt, fud.

I don't know why people would put themselves through this again after waiting for ME1 for years.

There is no conspiracy, this outbreak in leaks are all in your heads. EA of AUS, RUSS and somebody misunderstanding something in a conference is hardly toothpaste squeezed out of the tube. EA has has made mistakes before you can find misinformation and typo's for just about any game coming or has been released if you're looking for them.

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likedamaster - 45 days 23 hours ago

Whoever this is sounds angry. Get a 360 if you don't have a capable PC, it's cheap.

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Sarcasm - 45 days 19 hours ago

Though this article seemed more like a rant, I agree with the overall idea.

Enough with the "Mass Effect 2 is coming for the 360, PC and probably PS3. No wait. It's not. :) No, It's only exclusive to the 360, that's final. Maybe. Probably. Perhaps. But that doesn't mean we're not comfortable working on the PS3. And this has nothing to do with EA being multiplatform happy. But ME2 is most definitely maybe I think probably for sure not going to PS3 for awhile..." -Bioware

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RememberThe357 - 46 days 3 hours ago

But Bioware needs to make it clear to it's staff that even if there is talk about doing a PS3 version in the future, they are focused on the 360 and PC versions, and to shut up about the PS3 version, because it's pissing people off.

At the moment there is not PS3 version(officially). PS3 only owners have a ton of exclusives anyway, so they need not be pissed. But If there was one game that the PS3 should have it would be Mass effect.

BTW the PS3 needs more RPGs. Am I right, or am I right?

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CimmerianDrake - 46 days 2 hours ago

In response to "Am I right or Am I right?"

Answer: Or.

That is all.

Lol, just kidding. Lame joke. I don't consider Mass Effect an RPG, so I don't agree that the PS3 needs more ME style games, but it certainly does need more traditional RPG's, that's for sure.

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Sarcasm - 45 days 19 hours ago

You didn't understand the point of the article I don't think.

It's not the fact that we already know if you really wanted to play ME2, you either get it on 360 or PC. That's definite. But the point is that in their PR talks they keep mentioning PS3 and then try to act like they didn't. That's what I think they mean by a disservice to people, because it still gives a sliver of hope to PS3 only owners to be able to look forward to the game. Then all of a sudden the try to shut it down all over again.

They should just be more clear about it.

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kaveti6616 - 46 days 5 hours ago

Wrong. Epic has made the Unreal Engine 3 very compatible with the PS3 architecture. Go look at Unreal Tournament 3 for PS3.

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rhood022 - 46 days 5 hours ago

Or Batman: AA

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The real killer - 46 days 4 hours ago

"4.1 -
Wrong. Epic has made the Unreal Engine 3 very compatible with the PS3 architecture. Go look at Unreal Tournament 3 for PS3"

NO, the Unreal engine use not the PS3 architecture, it's the PS3 architecture that's compilable with the X86 architecture, between compatible and use the architecture is a big different story.

Multi engine is always benefit on the X86 architecture and that's why the 360 always a bit better or better in that case.

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kaveti6616 - 46 days 3 hours ago

Okay, what's your point. It doesn't really change what I said, just makes it more technical.

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Godmars290 - 46 days 3 hours ago

And that's why UT3 was on the PS3 first or has open options for mods and DLC? Not that anyone plays the game.

Its an example like that which convinces me that the fat guy at Valve is a fanboy. That if they had worked on L4D on the PS3, that the open mod community would soon be supporting it.

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OpenGL - 46 days 3 hours ago

@ The real killer
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Both the 360 and PS3 use RISC based PowerPC CPUs. Neither of the consoles are compatible with the CISC based x86 instruction set.

The 360's multi-platform advantage has more to do with developer familiarity with DirectX in comparison to the PS3's version of OpenGL ES. The more difficult asymmetrical CPU used in the PS3 doesn't really help multi-platform developers looking for a quick and easy port either.

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The real killer - 46 days 2 hours ago

4.4 - @ the real killer
Okay, what's your point. It doesn't really change what I said, just makes it more technical.

What i mention, is that the multi game engine more efficient working on a X86 architecture rather than Cell architecture.

Sure, the Cell architecture can handle the X86 architecture but it will not use the cell architecture, that's why the Unreal engine can handle both architecture but never use the potential of the cell architecture.

So, between (compatible) and (use) is different.
The game engine, run on the PS3 platform because of the support from the cell architecture, that's why porten is easy for THEM and bad for the PS3 but it's compatible what you said, i explain a different fact.

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"You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Both the 360 and PS3 use RISC based PowerPC CPUs. Neither of the consoles are compatible with the CISC based x86 instruction set.

The 360's multi-platform advantage has more to do with developer familiarity with DirectX in comparison to the PS3's version of OpenGL ES. The more difficult asymmetrical CPU used in the PS3 doesn't really help multi-platform developers looking for a quick and easy port either"

So,i have no idea what i talking about, what about you?
What you write is not related to the CPU, but the GPU X86 architecture. What you have writhen is a good example (think like the X86 architecture and talk about as a X86 architecture)

You think like the X86 architecture not about the Cell architecture.

They gave almost the same identical CPU, but the CPU from the PS3 using not a X86 architecture, it can handle one PPE in 8 SPE in single handle, that's the different. The CPU from the PS3 is not just a PC CPU like the CPU what the 360 have. The CPU (Cell( can easy clock at 4.3 Ghz with 730 KB each SPE ;) Also the CPU (CELL) can wotk together with the RSX or RSX CELL.

And if i not mistake, each SPE use 720 KB x8 and calculate that ;)

Direct x has nothing to do with the CPU, it's a Xenos related subject ;)
The PS3 use Open GL 2.0 if i not mistake, and this Open GL use only the RSX and not the CPU like the Cell.

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OpenGL - 46 days 1 hour ago

@ The real killer, again

My god you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. x86 has NOTHING to do with GPUs AT ALL. Intel owns the x86 instruction set and it hasn't been used on a console since Xbox original as it was a Pentium 3 coppermine based CPU. You are using terms and acronyms you clearly do not understand.

Neither the 360 nor the PS3 use x86 as they are IBM RISC based CPUs therefore they use the PowerPC instruction set. Intel only licenses x86 to AMD because they are required to.

Also, FYI the PS3's IBM Cell runs at 3.2GHz, and only has 7 SPEs which each have 256KB of cache. One of the original 8 SPEs is disabled to improve chip yields, and another one is reserved for the PS3's OS. The PS3's graphics API is OpenGL ES 1.2 with Nvidia CG for it's shader language instead of GLSL.

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The real killer - 45 days 14 hours ago

Can you read, its all about the architecture (platform)
That's why i give you a disagree. You don't understand what i mention.

My god, can you read? I mean the game engine and the hardware.

If you don't understand that, don't tell me about that i'm wrong because you don't understand that.

The CPU works different, and you talk about direct x with Xenos not CPU.
You are so wrong, you think like PC developer not as PS3 developers.

Read your subject again.

"My god you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. x86 has NOTHING to do with GPUs AT ALL. Intel owns the x86 instruction set and it hasn't been used on a console since Xbox original as it was a Pentium 3 coppermine based CPU. You are using terms and acronyms you clearly do not understand.

Neither the 360 nor the PS3 use x86 as they are IBM RISC based CPUs therefore they use the PowerPC instruction set. Intel only licenses x86 to AMD because they are required to.

Also, FYI the PS3's IBM Cell runs at 3.2GHz, and only has 7 SPEs which each have 256KB of cache. One of the original 8 SPEs is disabled to improve chip yields, and another one is reserved for the PS3's OS. The PS3's graphics API is OpenGL ES 1.2 with Nvidia CG for it's shader language instead of GLSL"

I know that Intel have the license, but Intel and Microsoft are good partners and Microsoft use Intels architecture. And i know that the 360 CPU is a little brother from the Cell CPU, but the cell and the 360 cpu works compleetly differend becouse of the different architecture. thats'why the 360 works better (hardware) with game engine with great X86 architecture support and that's why the PS3 fail, becouse developers know better the X86 architecture in common sense programming. That's a little secret we don't know about Microsoft and Intel, but they are good friends.

Further more, Wikopedia says that the PS3 Cell CPU is not made basis on X86 architecture, but if i typ Xenon CPU use not X86 architecture it will never display like i did with the Cell CPU, very weird.
the Xenon CPU is building with some of X86 technolohy believe me i know that. The whole 360 system is based with the X86 architecture, you can see that much game engine run easy on the 360 hardware and run badly on the PS3 becouse of the lack X86 support in the PS3 hardware itself.

It has 8 SPEs but it use 7 SPe's.
Ot Run at 3.2GHz, but official it will run at 4.3 Ghz, it's temper to 3.2 Ghz.

This citaat came from Ken Kutaragi.

"In terms of supporting developers in their use of the Cell processor, Sony is forming an alliance with chipmaker Transmeta Corporation, a company renowned for its software emulation technology and its x86-compatible, software-based microprocessors."

Like i said, it's use X86 architecture, but the hardware is NOT X86 architecture but Cell architecture. Game developers always benefit the X86 architecture becouse it's main develop for PC and 360 NOT PS3!!! Sure it can run at X86 architecture, the cell is not made on that X86 architecture and also the RSX. The cell works different than the COU from a desktop PC or 360. The 360 and the Pc is equivalent because they use same X86 architecture and the 360 is a gimped version from a PC nothing more.

The 360 Use the X86 architecture the CPU and the GPU is made FOR the X86 architecture to communicate. Try to read careful next time please.
Microsoft has a licentie to use those technology.

And those PC developers (the multi) are already confesses with that architecture, that's why the PS3 is difficult to program for it has e (NEW) achitecure (the Cell architecture).

Ot has nothing to do with Direct x or Open GL, you start about talking about this subject not me. All game angine is developed with greet X86 architecture support, thats why i try to explain you.

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OpenGL - 45 days 12 hours ago

@ The real killer

This is the last response you will get from me because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Both the IBM Cell used in the PS3 and the IBM Xenon used in the 360 use the PowerPC instruction set, which is based on the RISC architecture. You keep bringing up x86, which has nothing to do with the PS3 or 360. Emulation != native x86 support as software has to be recompiled for PowerPC in order to run. Also, x86 emulation is laughably slow on the PS3 via Yellow Dog, so it really has nothing to do with game development.

Only PC CPUS made by Intel and AMD (and Via, but they're such a small part of the market) use the x86 instruction set, which is CISC based. Even if the Cell processor in the PS3 could be overclocked to 4.3GHz, there is no guarantee that every unit available could reach that clock speed. You could argue that the 360's CPU could be overclocked as well, but again there is no point in that as we know not all units would be able to reach the same speed.

Again, I'm done wasting my time responding to you. It's great if you want to learn more about computers and how they work, but stop posting misinformation in a comment section that is already bad enough as it is.

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The real killer - 45 days 9 hours ago

OpenGL

You don't get me that's your problem.
I said, the Xenos CPU is not the same as the Cell CPU. You know what you talk about, but you do not understand my intention what i mention or try to explain, English is not my best langue to express my self.

Further more the Cell CPU can easy clock at 4.2Ghz it's just to prevent the heating issue. That's is what i have hear about it from IBM employee.

Even with a citaat, you ignore the facts.
I gave you a fine explanation in my opinion, if you don't understand my intention.

A multi game engine is all about the support from the X86 architecture in the game world, programming for a X86 interface what the most PC games is less difficult programming for 360 platform because the 360 hardware has far better X86 architecture support than a PS3 hardware.

You can't ignore that fact, why has developers so much problems with the PS3 hardware? Because the PS3 hardware has not fully compatible hardware based on the X86 architecture what the 360 has.

You are only disagree me because you don't understand my intention.

Its all about the programming engine support from the hardware not the CPU or the GPU itself what you mention, its the engine and the hardware support with the technolochy from the X86 architecture

The 360 is mainly based on a X86 architecure, you keep going ignore that fact. The hardware is better supported with the x86 architecture, damn try to understand my point.

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kaveti6616 - 46 days 5 hours ago

You should read over your post. You just said that it's a business deal. The business deal prevents them from providing certain information. Bioware has just as much obligation to its business partners as it does with its customers. As of right now, you already know of two platforms this game will be released on. The game is not set to come out until 2010. It makes no difference if the game comes out on PS3 eventually. If you want to play it when it comes out, you can play it on PC or 360. If you wish to wait until the PS3 version comes out, then you can do that. If you wish to wait for a PS3 version to be released without even knowing if there will be a PS3 version, it means you probably aren't that interested in the game anyway, and should therefore move on.

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pippoppow - 46 days 4 hours ago

Not waiting on a PS3 version. Will play this on PC one day. Just find it ridiculous that Devs are taking what amount to a small amount of money from most likely MS to lie to their fans or people interested in the franchise. Previous gens it was known for certain when a game was a timed exclusive or at least if it was a possibility. Devs have the option to refuse clauses demanding they lie to potential customers and fans. Sure people who really want the game most likely played the game on a PC or 360 but that beside the point. If they vehemently state a game isn't going to a certain platform then stop being a lying money whore and hold true to your word. Why should companies be held to a different standard because money is involved. For people you are only as good as your word so it should be so for companies.

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kaveti6616 - 46 days 3 hours ago

Welcome to the world of business. It's not considered lying when it's a business decision. It all comes down to money.

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RememberThe357 - 46 days 3 hours ago

This is reminding me of the whole Bioshock thing. That was a horribly kept secret, and this may be as well.

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Sigh - 46 days 2 hours ago

that xbox fanboys can't bear to see this happen.

@Rememberthe347:
You are totally spot on with that. I actually have Bioshock for PS3, I'm glad I waited, it came out with a price of 29.99, perfect deal.

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Chubear - 46 days 3 hours ago

Bioware has no significant freaking say in what they do, NONE. Mass Effect is 100% an EA IP. Bioshock just does what they are told to do period; they are 1developing unit of many in EA.

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bjornbear - 46 days 3 hours ago

With recent PS3 sales, i think it is safe to say EA is at least considering it.

Fix'd =)

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Staircase - 46 days 3 hours ago

OH GOD MY BAD *Dives on top of bubbles to protect them from the flames*

But seriously, forgot about that. :P

That just makes it even more plausible.

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BaseballFan15 - 46 days ago

Consoles/games cost too much for everyone to own everything. Especially in this Recession.

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Sarcasm - 45 days 19 hours ago

Well, you are just a hardcore gamer. But in reality, a lot of people would rather fork over $65 for a game coming to their system, rather than spending another $200-$400 on a new console just to play one game.

However, I agree. If anybody really really really wanted to play something, then man up, save some money, and buy the console. I'm a PS3 fan but there's no way in hell I'd miss out on games like Gears, Forza 3, etc.

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XDF - 46 days 3 hours ago

That is your new name BTW..

you said "I'm tired of it as well." LMFAO..you sure have plenty of energy left to troll the OPEN ZONE.

I thought you have a PC Rig to play Mass Effect 2...so why would you want an inferior PS3 version in it ever comes out???

LMFAO at this loser again..again, as predicted you are always the first or second to post in the OPEN ZONE. Troll Bot confirmed. LMFAO

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Saaking - 46 days ago

@above, I'm so insulted/ sarcasm.

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Sigh - 46 days 4 hours ago

I lmfao.

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The Iron Sheik - 46 days 3 hours ago

Then why is it better on the PC?

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kaveti6616 - 46 days 3 hours ago

Maybe, but I read that Microsoft has a deal to keep the trilogy exclusive to the 360. So maybe another Mass Effect game besides the trilogy can go to the PS3. I hope they all end up on the PS3 eventually, though.

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XDF - 46 days 3 hours ago

Dragon Age(PS3) is coming two weeks later than the X360 and PC version.

http://www.gamestop.com/bro...

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NecrumSlavery - 46 days 1 hour ago

So, it's two weeks. Who cares?

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TheTeam06 - 45 days 23 hours ago

Really? It's coming two weeks later?

Hopefully PS3 owners will get done with Brutal Legend, Demon's Souls and Uncharted 2: Among Thieves by then. And there's still Borderlands to cover?! Jeez, it's packed for us right now, and it's only October!

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