Sega: It's not game over for mature Wii titles

EvilTwin - 161 days 18 hours ago

True. A black & white, beat 'em up isn't exactly commercial/blockbuster territory right now, and there's a glut of rail shooters on Wii.

But still, it looks like MadWorld has sold 230,000 copies:
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

...while HotD:Overkill has sold 310,000 copies:
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Conduit looks like it might have pushed 100,000 already:
http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

These aren't "hardcore flops." They aren't Mario-level blockbusters, but they're making money and turning a profit.

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Seferoth75 - 161 days 15 hours ago

Your first mistake is using Vgcahrtz as a reference. They are not 100% accurate. Nintendo announced like 80 million sellers in the US 3 months ago. They only lists 43 and still only have 50 or so. Vgchartz is just an estimate not an exact number.

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scissor_runner - 160 days 21 hours ago

True VGchartz is not always accurate I don't think nintendo said they had 80 million seller though more like 20-30 on the Wii. That may have changed though.

What is funny is how stubborn the hardcore are now. They praise the game yet want it on the HD consoles yet don't buy it on the Wii. I hope they realize people don't make ports of games that are not successful and they don't port them to more expensive systems. On top of that this would mean possibly double the cost yet not real gain from porting.

Basically if it wasn't for Wii gamers hardcore game would eventually implode. Due to cost on both sides. Yet some thin tells me these are only fanboys trying to get a flame war started.

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EvilTwin - 160 days 19 hours ago

Seferoth75 -- Yeah, estimates aren't always 100% accurate. But I don't think you're going to look at one of those games and subtract 100,000 sales or something.

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Murderdolls - 161 days 17 hours ago

Agreed.

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ape007 - 161 days 15 hours ago

but I agree and since sony and ms hve motion tech coming soon,there's no better thing to do than going next gen

great next gen HD graphics that push the boundaries of game design and gameplay(depend on the developer,skill+gfx=win)

amazing online on xbl,[sn

achievements,tropies

DLC

and

sales

sega,please go next gen

why sticking with a WEAK,that has CRIPPLED ONLINE and has the LEAST chance of selling well

?????

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maniacmayhem - 161 days 16 hours ago

I understand, but imagine for a title like the new House of the Dead to be a direct download for PS3/360.

That way Sega could cut shipping, packaging and all other costs that raise the price of production. They could of sold it through PSN or Live at a reasonable price. Especially since you said there was only 3 hours of content.

Also, if a game is good wether its an on rail shooter or not will sale. And i think the game would sell better on PS3 and 360 just because they have a better "gamer/hardcore" audience than the Wii. All that cussing and blood, 360/PS3 owners would eat that up. Grandma on her WiiFit board would clutch her jesus cross and balk at that!

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scissor_runner - 160 days 21 hours ago

maniacmayhem blood and gore is lame.... game play is fun... Download only is lame disk copy will get shelf space which is good. You want a cheaper version for a game that was made for full retail just because your box is more powerful? Well PC games are cheaper than HD games... explain that?

What is so lame about listen to some of you guys it your though are only good for you and some of you guys are so selfish in the way you think you don't even care if the devs publisher or your console dies yet you call your self fans.

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maniacmayhem - 161 days 12 hours ago

You said:
"as for madworld, PS2 was supposed to have all the hardcore gamers yet madworld on wii outsold godhand on PS2. iirc okami wii outsold the PS2 version."

Are you seriously comparing GOD HAND on PS2 to ANYTHING!? If that's the case let's compare God of War to MADWORLD. How about anything that sold GREAT on the PS2 to anything on the Wii. And from what I heard (i may be wrong) Okami on the Wii didn't do so great either.

You said:
"you could play through the game in 3 hours but that doesn't take into account all the cut scenes, 4 player games, bonus content, hardcore mode and such which take up space."

From what I've seen of the new House of the Dead they are using in game graphics for the cut scenes instead of CG or animation which does not take up a whole lot of space. And speaking of space do you honestly think THAT game couldn't be downloaded to a 360 or even a PS3 hard drive? Especially since you can swap out your hard drive for a super large size hard drive.
Also "4 player games, bonus content, hardcore mode.." do the games on Live or PSN not have most if not ALL of this content? I don't see your point here.

You said:
"also please stop the nonsense that wii doesn't have any hardcore gamers. you say wii owners wont buy overkill.."

Uuum, looking over my post, I never said Wii owners wouldn't buy it I actually said it would probably sell better on the other platforms.

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Product - 161 days 9 hours ago

@maniacmayhem

You do know God Hand was made by the same people who made Madworld right? Cause I don't think you did...

Your trolling is getting in the way of your research.

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scissor_runner - 160 days 21 hours ago

maniacmayhem madworld is not about greek mythology and it has rap in it as part of it's style not even good rap either. Black and white was cool when sin city did it how long has it been since then? You do realize no one went to see the spirit which used a similar style. This is what the publis will see but people who have the game know that madworld designs where off the chart.

Oyeah Okami did out sell the PS2 version on the wii. Yes and suda51 has his highest selling game period with NMH. So your point was? You only point that you seem to be trying to make is that TrollSlayer is wrong some how some way which isn't really proving your point is it with out facts.

Also his point about making Wii games downlaodable would devalue those games when they where made for full retail price. It is not about would they run or not. Why do you guys only think about a few fanboy topics at a time?

One reason why you don't see a game from Jaff the creator of twisted metal is because his first game bombed. You guys expect full featured disk games as downloads and no one can keep that up unless that just keep rehashing stuff.

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maniacmayhem - 160 days 17 hours ago

@ Product
"You do know God Hand was made by the same people who made Madworld right? Cause I don't think you did...
Your trolling is getting in the way of your research."

No I didn't know that, all I know is that GOD HAND wasn't the best game and probably didn't sell for that reason and that reason alone. And How am I trolling? You people throw that word around an awful lot around here. It's like your go to word when you feel threatened.
And sorry if I didn't research who made what. I believe it is because I seriously don't give a F#ck. But please do all the googling for me.

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@ scissor_runner
"maniacmayhem madworld is not about greek mythology and it has rap in it as part of it's style not even good rap either. Black and white was cool when sin city did it how long has it been since then? You do realize no one went to see the spirit which used a similar style. This is what the publis will see but people who have the game know that madworld designs where off the chart."

Uuum, ok, I'm not sure what this has to do with the original convo but ok.

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"Oyeah Okami did out sell the PS2 version on the wii. Yes and suda51 has his highest selling game period with NMH. So your point was? You only point that you seem to be trying to make is that TrollSlayer is wrong some how some way which isn't really proving your point is it with out facts."

I think you need to re-read the whole convo as it relates to this post and other conversations above. The whole point and the discussion was that mature games do not sell well on the Wii and would PROBABLY do better on 360/PS3. Again i say PROBABLY.

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"Also his point about making Wii games downlaodable would devalue those games when they where made for full retail price. It is not about would they run or not. Why do you guys only think about a few fanboy topics at a time?"

Devalue? How? A game that is downloaded instead of sold in a store devalues it? Sorry if I don't understand your statement, but correct me if I'm wrong. Warhawk which is available on PSN and in stores, is there a difference in its value? How would a game made with all the bells and whistles only for download be devalued? Again I think you missed Slayer's point, from what I got from his statement is that those games on Wii couldn't be downloaded because of stuff like cut scenes, 4 player games, bonus content and hardcore mode.
One fanboy topic at a time...sure.

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"One reason why you don't see a game from Jaff the creator of twisted metal is because his first game bombed. You guys expect full featured disk games as downloads and no one can keep that up unless that just keep rehashing stuff."

I think one reason that game bombed was because it sucked (IMO). Castle Crashers on XBL did great despite its many bug problems. I consistently enjoy Everyday Shooter for my PS3. I also play Bomberman, Mega Man 9 and other downloadable games. So I don't really see your point and who are "you guys" or the "fanboys" please direct those statements at them.

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Arius Dion - 160 days 17 hours ago

You want your cake and eat it too? So God Hand didn't sell because it "probably wasn't the best game and didnt deserve to sell" Yet Madworld on Wii was supposed to go triple platinum.

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the miz - 160 days 16 hours ago

Where did he say MadWorld was suppose to go triple Platinum?

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scissor_runner - 160 days 13 hours ago

So maniacmayhem how much do you think the game would sell for on the PSN. if it is not retail value then it is devaluing the product. I'd like to see them sell GOW3 from the PSN.

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EvilTwin - 161 days 15 hours ago

Well put. The DS analogy is perfect. Remember when everyone said Chinatown Wars was a failure?

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

580,000 copies sold now, and it's consistent from week to week. That's for a top-down GTA game, when everyone wants a 3D version.

The same thing happened on Wii for No More Heroes:
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Initially, it was a failure. But it keeps working its way to half-a-million status.

Everyone wants the brass ring, and to put up first week sales like Halo 3. But games that produce respectable sales through a slow burn are anything but failures. HotD: Overkill and MadWorld sold respectably, and it looks like Conduit is going to do even better.

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EvilTwin - 161 days 14 hours ago

Console fanboys don't ever make much sense. Each console has its own strengths. Brawlers like NMH or MadWorld have a niche on Wii -- either black and white or cel-shaded graphics (more art style than polygon pushing), and gesture controls. They're unique, and wouldn't feel right on the 360 or PS3 (much like how Bioshock just wouldn't have felt right on Wii; that game needed the superior graphics for its overall feel).

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maniacmayhem - 160 days 17 hours ago

Right on Slayer,
I do know there are restrictions but I don't think a reason for Sony or MS to do this is because of the full game content it has. MS is about to roll out their 360 games as downloadable content, PS3 already does this with SOME of their titles. I don't think they would bully Sega to release this in stores if it wasn't necessary. The point i was making is a game like that could be easily ported to other systems and even made as a downloaded game only.

And please don't get too focused on the Grandma statement, it wasn't really the point i was trying to make. Forgive me.

If there is a good light gun game made then yes I think it would sell pretty good. Maybe ... maybe not, I honestly don't know. You would have to go ask Pachter for that information. ;)

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