Darwinia devs : Microsoft were "****ing us off"

ajlopo - 224 days 5 hours ago

They said that Microsoft was absolutely right in what they wanted them to do. At the time Microsoft asked them they were upset, but in hindsite it was the right thing.

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akohut - 224 days 1 hour ago

Why actually read the article? Isn't it easier to just spout off baseless crap?

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vega75 - 224 days 1 hour ago

dude. your fanboy is showing. you might want to tuck that in and actually read the acticle.

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shocky16 - 224 days 1 hour ago

You really made a fool of your self there, Gwave.

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jib - 224 days 1 hour ago

^ lol. kinda fun how he did

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original seed - 224 days 1 hour ago

does selective reading. I really dont know how he has that many bubbles. Sony Fanboys unite i guess.

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Mike Wallace - 224 days 1 hour ago

nice work

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FantasyStar - 224 days 1 hour ago

Big Fail GWAVE. Big-ASS fail. Guess we know which console's shoved up your ass because it's affecting your reading comprehension.

"The first major problem was Microsoft," says Chris on Introversion's boards. "I want to be clear that in hindsight, we believe Microsoft were absolutely correct in the calls they made, and we were wrong. But at the time, oh my god they were pissing us off. <----Obviously, GWAVE missed this entire part.

I'm also guessing GWAVE has no idea what "hindsight" means.

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JOLLY1 - 224 days 1 hour ago

reading is fun....try it sometime.

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Etackett2010 - 224 days 1 hour ago

I thought you were smarted than this...

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TechOne89 - 224 days 1 hour ago

so umm.... how much does sony pay you to make fanboy comments like that

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ud - 224 days 1 hour ago

"I thought you were smarted than this... "

loll

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gambare - 224 days 1 hour ago

"The end result is a "scrubbed up" version of Darwinia, imaginatively known as Darwinia+, being primed for Xbox Live Arcade release"

I think "polished" sounds more polite.

In resume they said that M$ mock them constantly to fix mistakes in the program at the point that they were annoying but at the end they were obliged to release a polished product. but that's a standard in everything, you pay for something well done.

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Etackett2010 - 224 days 1 hour ago

"You people are so easy to troll. If I had a dime for every time one of you got your panties in a bunch over something I said..."

SOoooooOO when you point out someone's ignorance like which you did many times before, it's ok but when somebody points out your ignorance, it's not and that person has his panties in a bunch??? Is this what I'm getting from your recent comment???

Oops, my bad, I put Smarted instead of Smarter. I had like two people talking in my ear on XBL, that's why... Feel free to kick me in the balls for that...

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Sharpshell - 224 days 1 hour ago

thanks everyone for one amusing read I would like to list my favorites:

"dude. your fanboy is showing. you might want to tuck that in"
-that made me laugh so hard...great image

"Big Fail GWAVE. Big-ASS fail. Guess we know which console's shoved up your ass because it's affecting your reading comprehension."

LOL but that one^ is by far the best, I guess its ok to have a 360 shoved up your ass because it fits better and thus doesnt affect your reading skillz LOL

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FantasyStar - 224 days ago

I think having any console shoved up your ass is fine because that's console lovin. But in GWAVE's case, it was shoved up too far that he couldn't read clearly.

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heroicjanitor - 224 days ago

Pretending he knew what the article said and was just trying to annoy people

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 224 days ago

Yup, yet gwave still got almost 50/50 percent agree/disagree ratio at the time of this writing. A staggering 20 people agreed and 22 disagreed.

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gaffyh - 224 days ago

You know MS were probably right, but I think they have a bad way of going about it. Same thing happened with Level-5, and then MS cancelled their game. So Level-5 said they don't ever want to work with MS again.

Sony has been praised by several devs for allowing a lot of freedom, it means us gamers get some games delayed, but atleast they turn out as well as they could.

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The Lazy One - 224 days ago

yea...

he just got another before I started. I wonder how many of those accounts are his. I have faith that there can't really be 21 actual people who'd agree with something so ignorant.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 224 days ago

GWAVE you might want to try a smaller shovel you're digging yourself in deep here. =)

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JasonXE - 223 days 23 hours ago

what happen with Level 5 was more of an funding issue, not certification.

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gaffyh - 223 days 23 hours ago

@1.23 - If it was then disregard my comment. But I had heard that MS just refused to fund their Phantasy Star Online game or something?

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blindfromthesun - 223 days 23 hours ago

On n4g's you don't necessarily have to say anything truthful, relevant or informative. As long as you bash Xbox, you are guaranteed at least a handful of agrees. The reason GUAVE has as many as he does is that he is a known flamer. People expect his sort of behavior and support it. Otherwise, you wouldn't have ignorant people agreeing.

With that said, hopefully both games end up good. Quality control is usually a good thing.

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7thNightvolley - 223 days 23 hours ago

"Big Fail GWAVE. Big-ASS fail. Guess we know which console's shoved up your ass because it's affecting your reading comprehension."

looooool.. gwave u messed up there thou.. but damn u got owned baddddd..loool

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JHUX - 223 days 23 hours ago

haha, theres no excuse for that one, you got owned haha.

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creeping judas - 224 days 2 hours ago

LOL

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 224 days ago

Quality control is good, but apparently the changes would have taken months for a small team.

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cgoodno - 224 days 1 hour ago

Sorry, but it's a two way street. Microsoft needs the devs just as much as they need Microsoft. Having said that, Microsoft may have been right in their review, but it makes me wonder how far they can take it so as to prevent people from publishing certain games behind other developers that they are more familiar with and develop similar games.

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Deadman64 - 224 days 1 hour ago

Because they wanted a higher quality product? Right.

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misterssippi - 223 days 23 hours ago

read the article......and i quote....
"I want to be clear that in hindsight, we believe Microsoft were absolutely correct in the calls they made, and we were wrong"

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Scar 360WA - 223 days 20 hours ago

Go do a search on best companies to work for and MS will be close to the top, if not on the top. Also do some research on the benefits and perks MS employees get. The MS campus is crazy it has its own gym and shopping center for employees and much more.

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Dmitry Orlov - 223 days 10 hours ago

dude, are you really like that or you're just playing stupid?

Microsoft wanted the game to be polished for it to be a higher quality product, so gamers would buy it and give good reviews.

Devs admitted it themselves that Microsoft were right - it's just annoying, when someone points out your mistakes, isn't it?

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The Lazy One - 224 days 1 hour ago

Cuz sony wouldn't give David Jaffe anything he wanted to stay exclusive to them.

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Soda Popinsky - 224 days 1 hour ago

David Jaffe is also friends with Hiphopgamer. Tells you something about his character, or lack thereof.

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RememberThe357 - 223 days 23 hours ago

You never fail to disappoint...

David Jaffe doesn't even know Hiphop like that. But because he did an interview with him they're suddenly friends and he lacks character? And what the hell does David Jaffe's character have to do with him staying exclusive to Sony?

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Soda Popinsky - 223 days 13 hours ago

Exclusive to Sony and friends with HHG - exclusive to stupidity & ignorance.

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apena89 - 224 days ago

From what i hear, the developers that are putting Microsoft in their place like Media Molecule, David Jaffe, Insomniac, thatgamecompany and many others enjoy working with Sony because they give them a lot of freedom to be creative and it really shows.
Each one of them have created or are creating AAA games on the PS3.

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Chubear - 224 days ago

Just look at last year when they openly told developers to "..downgrade your games the unit" Does that sound like people who give a toss about quality?

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Man_of_the_year - 224 days ago

@ apena89 - The PSN has little to no arcade games and XBLA has a plethora of great games. And if you are talking about actual game developers that don't make arcade games - Turn 10, ubisoft, Bungie have all said great things about MS.

@ Chubear

Lowering the size of megs so that it will fit into the corresponding limits so that it can be labeled as an arcade game is not downgrading a game - you are just reducing the size. If you want to build a large game then put it on a disc and sell it at retail.

In order for the game to qualify as an "arcade game" it has to be within MS's size restriction. Nobody is going to buy an arcade game that cost too much. There are limits. This is simple business mechanics.

With all the games and Dev's that built the games on XBLA and Community games - i don't see too many of them complaining.

If MS thinks the quality of the game is not up to par with MS's standards...take the game to the PSN where quality doesn't matter.

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Chubear - 223 days 23 hours ago

Dude, I'm not talking about Megs for their DL system. I'm talking about generally for all their games... you do remember the conference I'm referring to right?

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Tony Scarboni - 223 days 22 hours ago

Oh please, PSN games are much higher quality.

Alot of the Xbox live arcade games are such poor quality they are hardly playable. That's the problem I'm seeing w/ XBLA games, they don't aim to be anything more than just that, an 'arcade game'.

PSN games have a surprising amount of depth and great production values. Look at games like Pixel Junk Monsters, Savage Moon, Flower, High Velocity Bowling, Pain, Everyday Shooter, Echocrome, Siren, Wipeout HD, Fat Princess, Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty.

What does XBLA have that compares to that lineup?

And I would like to know what kind of fuzzy logic your using when you say file size restrictions on games are a good thing. I geuss you like having less content. I for one like the fact that I can by a PSN game for 10$ and play it almost as much as a full fledged 60$ game.

MS just doesn't want to deal w/ the higher costs of storing large file sizes on their servers. Why do you think they use inferior P2P networking in the first place?

Sony on the other hand has come out and said they will help pay for the dev. costs of any games being dev. for their network. They also have unrestricted file sizes on PSN's DEDICATED SERVERS.

It cracks me up how you people pay 50$ a year and you don't even get to use dedicated servers! In the PC world they have a term for that, its called RAPE.

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MAiKU - 223 days 16 hours ago

A quality game is developed by the developer. If MS wanted to do something else they can do it themselves.

What if they had the nerve to tell Square-enix how to make a damn game? Yeah that's what i thought.

If MS didn't want it they should've just never released it for MS, and port a superior version on psn just to piss MS off.

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Tony Scarboni - 223 days 22 hours ago

...mass effect...

...GeoW2 online mp...

...Oblivion...

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drewsny - 223 days 20 hours ago

I don't see anything wrong with the above other than they are all great and extremely fun. Maybe you should elaborate.

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infekt - 223 days 16 hours ago

They all had serious issues after the games were released. Bad QA on M$'s part.

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