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Rare Is A Bust

In 2002, Microsoft paid $375 million to buy developer Rare the makers of the insanely popular N64 hits GoldenEye 007, Perfect Dark, and Banjo-Kazooie to name a few. The acquisition was a major blow to Nintendo at the time, and many analysts believed the move to be a very smart move for Microsoft.
Now six years and $375 million later Rare has still failed to produce results. In the three years that Rare has been developing games for the Xbox 360 Rare has only managed to generated just over $66 million combined domestically over those three years, according to the NPD Group.

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thebudgetgamer - 284 days 18 hours ago

1 - its only rare in name

not to knock but its most of the people if not all the people that made rare a giant in gaming are long gone. thats not to say their games have been bad. just like atari. same name but not the same company

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Smileys - 284 days 18 hours ago

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I agree. After Tim and Chris Stamper left I knew Rare wasn't going to be the same.
They still make good games but nothing truly epic.

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The_Zeitgeist - 284 days 18 hours ago

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I miss golden eye.

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thebudgetgamer - 284 days 18 hours ago

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me too
those were good times
i miss rc pro-am the most. i love that game

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Action Bastard - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Look at the bright side, they still have KI3 and BattleToads to ruin. Wait, is that a bright side?

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ape007 - 284 days 17 hours ago

1.5 - yes rare

is not even a shadow of its former self

just remember perfect dark 64(best game ever imo) and goldeneye 007 on n64 and just see pdz,what a disappointment

if the same old rare team stayed with ms,360 will be hands down the best system in this gen

just imagine the goldeneye team get their hands on 360

faints

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FarEastOrient - 284 days 16 hours ago

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@Thats Just Prime

You have to look at it in a financial frame of mind, as a shareholder in Sony, Microsoft, Square Enix, etc... You have to look at the return on investment (ROI) of the property in this case Rare whom last years only dropped the NXE and Nuts and Bolts. Now a company that is bought and run properly should be able to pay back the cost of purchase back in two years or less, if it takes three years or more you are in trouble.

Even if estimated at $100 million dollars like you said over three years, you haven't negated the effect of development cost. With just Nuts and Bolts along with Perfect Dark you have brought the potential profit to $48.7 million out of the $66 million in revenue. You further negate the cost of marketing and the potential profit drops even further. Did Microsoft make money off of Rare products, Yes they did, yet at the rate of profit versus revenue it will take 6 years to pay off the cost of buying Rare and even longer if calculating the number of big title projects like Killer Instinct and a new Perfect Dark.

Yes I will vote to in no confidence of Wada

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eagle21 - 284 days 16 hours ago

1.8 - joystiq reported NPD only 140k Banjos sold since launch through Dec. 08...

Talk about a bust... :)

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Freak of Nature - 284 days 16 hours ago

1.9 - Get out of the hole with PD,KI,and CONKER...

Rare are still in the game,so as of now they are not a bust.They have 4 games in the pipe line so the deficit will be cut more when these do come out.They have not shown the same magic,but times do change,staff change,and sometimes people with talent for games of yesterday do not have the same skills for todays systems...

For me I would want to see platformers from rare,without rare giving them to us,I dont see X360 owners getting any higher level platformers. We get fighetrs and shooters elsewhere,so platformers from rare would be my choice.However.....

It's also about profit,and in Rares case I would think that bringing the next perfect dark,a 1st person shooter and Killer instinct a fighter would give them that profit share they need to attain.

They probably should go with PD,KI,and a platformer/action adventure game like Conker,a nice mix, a trio of sure sellers........Kameo done from the ground up on the X360 also would be a decent to good seller....Perhaps bring in a new IP,or a HD next gen JFG...

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Cheeseknight28 - 284 days 14 hours ago

1.10 - @1.9

4 projects:
Perfect Dark 2
Killer Instinct 3
Jet Force Gemini 2
Conkers Good Fur Day (Or something)

Rare would be kings again. Sure it's nice to see them try and be different (Kameo, VP, and Banjo N&B) but I would much rather they stay alive and be different later on down the road then go bankrupt and never make PD2 or Conker 2.

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Obama - 284 days 13 hours ago

1.11 - @ape007

The old talents formed Free Radical, the one that made Haze which is not so good.

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njr - 284 days 12 hours ago

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If I remember correctly the top men involved in rare left as soon as they were sold. MS got shafted in talent, so all they bought were IPs.

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lsujester - 284 days 12 hours ago

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~Obama~

But they also made TimeSplitters, which was oh so good.

Haze, to me, felt unfinished. It felt like a game still in beta that never got the extra few months of polish and tweaking at the end. It had some good ideas, but those were overshadowed by the "at best mediocrity". It just felt like a game that could have been great if properly developed and fleshed out.

But alas, Free Radical has been bought by Crytek, and many, including Steve Ellis, are gone.

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Marquis_de_Sade - 284 days 5 hours ago

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I actually enjoyed PDZ, it gave me a false hope of what else to expect from the 360. Online lag free 32 player with 2 player online Co-op and genuinely fun gameplay. The fact that a launch game still allows for the second largest number of players online (frontline being the most I think) is ridiculous.

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prowiew - 284 days 3 hours ago

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I compare rare with sega. Only difference is I love viva pinata

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AAACE5 - 284 days 1 hour ago

1.16 - This reminds me...

I used to crack a joke about Rare's name during the N64 days.

I always said, "It's Rare for them to get a game out in a timely manner!" Now, "It's Rare they can get a truely great game out!"

I hope this restructuring can fix their problems so they can create great games again. I believe that Rare is a victim of what happens to alot of developers, and that is that the teams they have lack an overall interest in creating great games...a.k.a. alot of their creativity and vision was lost somewhere along the way!

@omodis420... Untrue! Rare games were about the same quality on the gamecube. Their games started to take a turn for the worst right after the N64.

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Montrealien - 283 days 23 hours ago

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It must be noted that Rare has released 19 games since being purchased by MS. Granted the top tier titles have not faired well in sales, they where well recieved and where good quality games. They have been working a lot and have released more games in 6 years then Guerilla, Bungie, Naughty Dog and insomniac combined.

A resrtucturing should be at hand, but dead, they are not.

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Gambit07 - 283 days 18 hours ago

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I rather have quality then quantity.

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Montrealien - 283 days 18 hours ago

1.19 - ^^^^

I agree, but they have quantity and quality. Sadly people are skipping on their major titles. Viva Pinata 2 and Banjo Nuts and bolts are two quality games. At great prices that got lost in the frey.

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omodis420 - 284 days 18 hours ago

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Thats funny Rare was good until Microsoft got a hold of them. Microsoft = suppressors of creativity.

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Party Boy - 284 days 17 hours ago

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One word... Flower. 89 metacritic rating and higher than any of those Rare flops.

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CrazzyMan - 284 days 17 hours ago

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La Chance, Try Flower, for starters.

Then investigate more about PS3 games and you will find, what you are looking for. :)

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Cajun Chicken - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Echochrome. Even has a level editor.

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rhood022 - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Or Flow.
Or any of the Pixel Junk games
Or Everyday Shooter
Or Folklore
Or Echochrome
Or The Last Guy
Or Nobi Nobi Boy
Or EyePet

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rucky - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Oh let's not forget those Eyetoy games guys :)

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Peekay - 284 days 17 hours ago

2.7 - La Chance -

pretty much 90% of Sony's PSN catalogue. Then there's folklore - a extremely creative and under rated game...

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Mindboggle - 284 days 17 hours ago

2.8 - @ La Chance

The fact that LBP is Sony only real creative game isnt really the point. You can add ratchet and clank, pixeljunk games, flow, flower and other psn games to games similar to what rare create, but your missing the point.

The fact is Rares games just arnt selling that well, lbp has sold over 2 million, and banjo has barely sold 500,000. Viva Pinata 1 was a big seller but 2 was a flop. Its just due to the fact the average 360 crowd doesnt appreciate them. Plus this doesnt take in to account their last games havent actually been that good.

They need to go back to nintendo again. They would sell much more games.

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Max Power - 284 days 17 hours ago

2.9 - i think Warhawk...

took an old flyer game, and made it into a TPS/Flight combat online multiplayer. how many games allow you to Fly a plane, land, get out and run around shooting killing people.

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Action Bastard - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Don't forget PDZ! Kameo was not that good, not even slightly. Beat it and was disappointed. Viva Pinata I've heard good things about, but being an adult male, I have no interest in Pinatas or gardens. Since we have to stretch back to Xbox1, Grabbed by the Ghoulies was garbage. It had potential, but the gameplay mechanics just flat out weren't fun. Conker's Bad Fur Day is hands down better than the Xbox Conker. Why? It fit for its time of release. The Xbox version felt dated. Pretty graphics and all.

As far as your PS3 insecurity: Flower, PJ Eden, Nobi Nobi Boy (tomorrow), R2 and it's take on co-op, Warhawk, Everyday Shooter, MotorStorm Pacific Rift is pretty creative with it's varying vehicles, locations, photo mode and Folklore screamed creativity. I'd go on but you get the idea. By all means though, keep praising mediocrity,.

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Ratchet_Co - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Well since you wanted to bring it up, I will reply with this.

Sony has a lot of creative games that are out and are coming out. Flower, Fat Princess, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, Home (just to mention a few). See, Sony would have had more creative games they had last gen as well, but Microsoft bought them.

Microsoft = supressors of creativity FTW

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Cajun Chicken - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Jeez, I forgot how classic most of the PSN titles are. I was just put to shame by people listing under me mentioning Echochrome.

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Dark General - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Creative? Alot of the PSN games like Flower, Echochrome, Pixeljunk Eden, Flow and some others are pretty creative. Folklore and Afrika as well which are both pretty under rated because they are a bit unusual. And let me not forget Valkyrie Chronicles. Both console have some creative games though. Viva Pinata is under rated.

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callahan09 - 284 days 16 hours ago

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Don't forget about Eye of Judgment. I know it's a niche title, but holy crap that game is awesome. If you like collectible card games, it's absolutely brilliant. The net code is wonderful (always a good connection online), the way they programmed it (implementing the camera and the card interaction into the software) is very impressive to me, the presentation is perfect, the cards are beautiful and interesting, with a huge variety, the graphics and animations are really nice, and watching your card games come to life on your TV in front of your very eyes is beautiful, and it's not just a gimmick, because the camera-based gameplay allows you to play anyone in the world! So if you don't know many people (or any people) who are into the game, you can always play an opponent online! That's unique, and it's creative, and it's quite frankly AWESOME. I'm a magic the gathering fan from back in the day, but had to stop playing because eventually everyone I knew moved on and wasn't playing it anymore, and I couldn't find any opponents. With the Eye of Judgment, there's always an opponent just a quick internet connection away. I love that game.

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rhood022 - 284 days 13 hours ago

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Damn La Chance, obviously you can't read either.

Folklore and Eye of Judgment are both disk based games. As is Valkyria Chronicles.

And as far as the rest being PSN games, I'd rather pay upwards of $15 for fun, creative titles than pay $60 for crap that TRIES to be creative.

But it's always quantity over quality with you guys, isn't it?

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The Lazy One - 284 days 12 hours ago

2.16 - what?

how are folklore and eye of judgement that creative?

One is an action adventure RPG and one is a trading card game that displays on screen. And every day shooter? It's a great game no doubt, but it's a shmup

I'd give you almost everything from pixeljunk, because those are great games, Eyepet I'd probably give you unless they mess it up, as I've only seen the promo trailer.

if you're including arcade/non-disc based games, I'd probably say braid, wik fable of souls, or most of the decent xbl community games.

Both consoles aren't really short of creativity when it comes to arcade sized games.

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Marquis_de_Sade - 284 days 5 hours ago

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While I disagree that Microsoft are "suppressors of creativity", you seriously can't think the 360 has more creative games than the PS3 can you? flOwer, flOw, echochrome and many more are far superior to most of those RARE games you mentioned.

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The Lazy One - 284 days ago

2.18 - @above...

and many rare games are more creative than resistance, killzone, god of war, and heavenly sword.

Both systems have creative games. Especially when you include the titles from either system's arcade style content.

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Gambit07 - 283 days 18 hours ago

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@callahan09: Man, you're making me want to bust out the EoJ.

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swiftshot93 - 284 days 17 hours ago

3 - I agree, but still

Donkey Kong 64 FTW

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Hellangelzx - 284 days 17 hours ago

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I LOVED That game!

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Kigmal - 284 days 16 hours ago

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Donkey Kong Country was a better series IMO.

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Dark General - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Donkey Kong, the most under rated series of games Nintendo ever created. It's a shame to see Rare not produce something like DK: Country in a long while.

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bigjclassic - 284 days 17 hours ago

4.1 - Not really

there are more DK games than Star Fox games.

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Dark General - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Yeah but most of those DK games are like Bongo Blast or something. They have more or less abandoned DK after the N64 games. It's a shame because i actually enjoyed DK as much as i enjoyed Sonic as a kid.

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Bathyj - 284 days 17 hours ago

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M$ does to developers what my internal organs do to food.

But hey its not the end of the world, its M$'s Entertainment and Devices division, an anomality in the business world. It doesn't have to make money to continue its existence.

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Death - 284 days 16 hours ago

5.1 - If this were true,

Microsoft would not have let Bungie go. Instead of retaining a name and an empty building they did as much as posible to maintain a working relationship.

-Death

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GiantEnemyCrab - 284 days 17 hours ago

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I really enjoyed Kameo, a very underrated title.

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Elven6 - 284 days 17 hours ago

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...uh no! Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo: Elements of Power both sold over 1 million units at the original price point, then they went platinum and is assumed to have sold more. I think the number mentioned in that "article" is a bit off.

Viva Pinata sold over a million as well albeit at reduced price. Didn't Banjo also sell 200k in the US? I don't think I will go as far as saying the "debt" was completely paid off, but at least 75% has been.

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BRACHATTACK - 284 days 18 hours ago

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Sir Ken_Kutaragi - 284 days 16 hours ago

1.1 - Anyone seen 'pp'??? ;-D ;-D ;-D

The main photo is his/hers/it's Avatar.

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dukadork3 - 284 days 14 hours ago

1.2 - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA! I pooped myself again

M$'s answer to LBP: flopjo crabooye

hey XB!TCHES: please keep giving them your hard earned $$$ cuz the way they waste it is soooo entertaining to us, haaaaaahahahahaha!

$375M: don't you wish they'd spent it on making the toaster more reliable?

BTW, we got killzone 2 for $60M, not bad he...

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gaylo001 - 284 days 14 hours ago

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LOLOL

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DavidMacDougall - 284 days 17 hours ago

2.1 - The_Zeitgeist always trolling for some sort of news taking gabs at MSFT/360

POG always trolling for some sort of news taking gabs at SONY/PS3

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dustgavin - 284 days 16 hours ago

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Can you hear Microsoft slowly going down the drain? Taking all it's 360 flops with it. Not to mention the toilet clogging Hd-dvd add on.

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oriol003 - 284 days 14 hours ago

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doushebag

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omodis420 - 284 days 14 hours ago

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Yeah screw that guy. He is such a fanboy.

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 284 days 7 hours ago

2.5 - yeah

"Taking gabs"

...because "taking jabs" isn't cool enough

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GiantEnemyFlop - 284 days 17 hours ago

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mark my word, RARE will be finished in 3 years

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Ryuk - 283 days 20 hours ago

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Kinda like free radical and factor 5? Oh..wait..

-_-

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jack who - 284 days 17 hours ago

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FAct: Microsoft paid $375 million to buy Rare's ip's not rare.

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trancefreak - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Cool, do you want a cookie for that?

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jack who - 284 days 17 hours ago

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i would thank you....now go jump off a roof ay

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Steven Colbert - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Wrong

http://xbox.ign.com/article...

"In an announcement at Microsoft's X02 Europe event today, the company confirmed rumors that it had purchased Rare Ltd, the company behind several of the N64's biggest hits, for $375 million and that development on Kameo: Elements of Power and the next edition of Perfect Dark for the Xbox are already under way. The deal for Rare was a full acquisition including all intellectual property and means Rare is more or less an internal development house for Microsoft Game Studios."

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jack who - 284 days 17 hours ago

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can Rare's developer's quit? yes or no?

maybe that would help you see why i said they didnt buy rare but their ip

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Steven Colbert - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Nope.Rare is first party developer completely owned by Microsoft just like Lionhead and Robot(Ensemble).However in a few years the Rare-MS contract will expire and MS can decide to keep Rare for more time or get rid of it.That is the situation that bungie and bizarre had.

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jack who - 284 days 16 hours ago

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um yes....

Rareware began as a third-party videogame developer. Eventually, they become devoted to Nintendo. Their main games are for SNES and N64.

"But sometime in 2002, Nintendo sold the rights to Rareware to Microsoft. About 80 people quit from Rareware at the news"

and went to various other companies. Many went to Free Radical Design and created the hit Timesplitters series.

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Steven Colbert - 284 days 16 hours ago

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Okay I see what you mean

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gaylo001 - 284 days 14 hours ago

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SOo?

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xbotpleasefixme - 284 days 17 hours ago

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rare was another great buy good job MS!!

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Steven Colbert - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Not surprised.

The worst thing Microsoft ever did was buy Rare.Any gamer here that is over 10 years old will tell you of a time when Nintendo and Rare produced masterpieces constantly.Some of my favorite games of all time where created by this duo including Jet Force Gemini,Goldeneye,Perfect Dark,banjo kazooie,Starfox 64,Killer Instinct,and Donkey Kong 64.Each one was unique and polished,dealing damage to Sega and Sony in quality.

Nintendo and Rare had that spark for game development back then.

banjo kazooie:nuts and bolts was a betrayal to me in every sense of the word.

Example: I'm stranded in a desert of mediocre and un-inspired games(Current consoles).I'm thirsty and I finally see water to rehydrate myself(banjo kazooie 3).I grab the bottle of water and see its clear and odorless signifying its water(Rare developed).I take a drink of the "water" and find out its vodka which burns my throat(vehicle gameplay).

I hated or disliked everything that Rare has done with Microsoft.It was supposed to be like this

Microsoft funding + Rare creativity = Great games

However that backfired just like when I thought Sega formed Sonic team to create great Sonic games.How wrong I was both times.
Rare took a knife and plunged it into my weak heart when they released banjo kazooie:nuts and bolts

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spandexxking - 284 days 16 hours ago

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unlucky for you.
plus vodka has an odour so...analogy=fail

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NIN64 - 284 days 17 hours ago

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Serves M$ right. F*ckers.

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Microsoft Xbox 360 - 284 days 17 hours ago

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They've released nothing but flops. Go back to Nintendo, Rare.

360 and Rare don't mix.

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Rims - 284 days 17 hours ago

9 - Flop majors

It's Rare they make a success!

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eagle21 - 284 days 16 hours ago

10 - BANJO FLOPPED

NPD 140k sold since launch through dec. 31....lol

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Droid Control - 284 days 15 hours ago

11 - RARE in name ONLY!

The real talent left years ago...

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Droid Control - 284 days 15 hours ago

12 - Valve offered themselves to M$...

... But M$ brought lionhead instead...

Stupid frakers!

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Obama - 284 days 13 hours ago

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That was pretty stupid if true. Valve makes good games, even if that Gabe is an uppity asshole.

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omodis420 - 284 days 14 hours ago

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Yeah cause Fable 2 wasn't a hit or anything. And Fable 1 and any other game that Lionhead touches.

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dustgavin - 284 days 13 hours ago

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Fable 2 certainly was not a blockbuster. Although, it did do fairly well.

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TheLaughingMan - 284 days 12 hours ago

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Fable was crap pure crap.

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she00win99 - 284 days 7 hours ago

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squarenix your next...

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Droid Control - 284 days 5 hours ago

16 - It was Ed Fries that was running things back then...

... he was the one who chose lionhead over valve. Mainly because valve were, and are, well know for delaying games...

Fable 2 is basically fable 1 in HD with a few extra gimmicks. Its a kids game. Its not mature at all. Not like Oblivion or Fallout 3, or masss effect, etc...

lionhead needs to make a mature adults game next...

Please, no more fable!

Rare are the worse though, ALL their Xbox games suck!
Every single one!
And you can't even trust the magazine reviews anymore...

Games like Halo wars, halo 3, gears 2, anything by Rare, Resident Evil 5 - ALL will get great reviews no matter the actual quality. They get these reviews based on the brand, not the game quality...

Halo Wars = 6/10
Halo 3 = 7/10
gears 2 = 6/10
Rare = 5/10
Resident Evil 5 = 4/10

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borgome - 284 days 1 hour ago

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The only chance they have of making a comeback is to remake GoldenEye and it would have to be a sick game.

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queerbearandchicken - 283 days 22 hours ago

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brilliant

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Dv8thwonder - 283 days 18 hours ago

19 - Rare sucked

Microsoft royally...you know the rest.

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