Playstation 3 Mandatory Installs - Will They Become A Problem?

HighDefinition - 451 days 5 hours ago

Optional= Framerate/Texture Loading Problems.

Optional WILL become MANDATORY, hence the reason for the 160GB.

BTW, I have NO problem w/ installs @ all. Infact I kinda like them, I relax a smoke some "Fantasy Herb Pipe" LOL

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ReBurn - 451 days 5 hours ago

Installs for consoles are still such a new concept. I think that's what the flap is over. It's really only an issue because to have more than 6 or 7 games installed you have to upgrade your hard drive. Which is something else console gamers have never had to do.

Doesn't bother me all that much. If I get low on space I just delete something. I don't keep my life stored on my console's hard drive.

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HighDefinition - 451 days 5 hours ago

What up Re-Burn, haven`t seen/read/heard/you get my point.....in a while.

Welcome back.

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season007 - 451 days 4 hours ago

same thing can be true for the computer
No matter how large a HDD you have if you don't delete/uninstall stuff it will be filled up, console, PC, mac..it is always the truth..

The only way to solve it is to DELETE/Uninstall what you don't need or to upgrade the HDD, same for consoles, PC, Mac...etc.

Why would it be a problem when this "so-called" problem existed since we started using a computer 10+ years ago..I think back then computers were having like couple mbs storage space

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Genesis5 - 451 days 4 hours ago

For some it seems they are. For me no big deal. Play and delete it's quite simple. If you can't find something to do for the 10 or 20 minutes it takes to install then there is something wrong. I mean really. Read the instruction booklet or some news or something.

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meepmoopmeep - 451 days 4 hours ago

the fact that you can easily install any 2.5" HDD or delete files you don't need.

NO.

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NegativeCreep427 - 451 days 4 hours ago

People may b*tch and complain about it now, but once they see the benefits that installs bring to the overall gaming experience they will start to understand (at least I hope they will. Towards installs on the PS3 they probably won't)

Doesn't anyone remember the slight backlash gamers had towards consoles like the Sega 32x and the PSX when CD-based software was taking over cartridges. Gamers all complained about loading times and how stupid and annoying it was, but now we have all seen the momentous leap in software quality that has occurred thanks to the CD/DVD software evolution that occurred in the late 90's and early 2000's.

The next step in software evolution is just getting started; Blu-Ray

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bunbun777 - 451 days 4 hours ago

Highhhhh Definition. Hahahaaaha. Bubbles for liking the same fantasy as me!

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Ozzyb - 451 days 4 hours ago

I will never understand why people care about installs. If you seriously mind waiting ten minutes to be able to play a game for hours and hours, you are seriously a fool. You have the worst kind of brain-disease and you should probably be more concerned with that than any install times. If the space is really an issue, then delete something.. You aren't going to play all of your games simultaneously, are you? These articles and the people that actually think installs are a problem, are such a waste of space. If you are worried about installing things, welcome back to 1990. I hope you enjoy your Commander Keen cuz that's all you're getting.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 451 days 3 hours ago

They are an Inconvenience not a problem. Its like ordering a pizza sure its the tastiest food on the planet but you must wait for delivery.

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Sitdown - 451 days 3 hours ago

"If the space is really an issue, then delete something.."

So what you are saying is...I should be forced to delete pictures and music off my hard drive so I can install a game or are you saying I should delete previous installs on my hard drive so that I can play a new game...and then when I want to go back to the other game sit and wait for the install all over again? Installs can become a problem if developers get out of control with it.....I mean, especially if the ps3 is looking to last 10 years.....think about it..7+ years worth of installs? I rather just change out a disc....all the reason why I disc changer in the next generation would be welcomed.

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Ozzyb - 451 days 3 hours ago

You must have games that you have beaten thoroughly and probably won't go back to either at all or for quite some time, at which time if you really want to, can reinstall. I'm not saying you will never need a new harddrive, I just don't think people need every last thing that they keep on their harddrives. The solution is relatively cheap in comparison to competition and also is exactly the same solution for your pc. Granted, the laptop harddrives are a little more expensive than their full-sized PC counterparts, but still something that is easy and will last you quite some time. I have 8 disc-based games, 4 PSN games (one being the Socom Beta) and some demos and still have 50/80 GBs free. Now I'm not picking you out in particular, because I agree with you as well. I don't mind it being disc-reading or installing, my main concern is the quality of what I'm getting.

I don't think all games should have mandatory installs, because frankly, not all games are worth it. But I wouldn't want quality to suffer based on whether or not a game is installed. At the same time, you are free to use an external harddrive or upgrade any time you see fit, for a reasonable price.

PS. I would never (unless they became nearly flawless) want a disc-changer in any of my consoles. Moving parts have a higher tendency to break and I don't mind swapping discs. Maybe if they included the ability to change the disc-drive when necessary, then I would go for it.

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littletad - 451 days 2 hours ago

Goodness, that's alot of sandwiches. Either way, much like backward compatibility, I don't think Sony fans will be bothered by it.

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Sitdown - 451 days 1 hour ago

I was not necessarily speaking for myself......cause I still have plenty of room on my hard drive......well on my ps3 drive that is. When I think about my 360 though, a lot of data is taking up by game saves and xbla titles. Now if I think about the ps3, if I began to download a lot of psn titles over the years and include that with other things I truly want to keep.....then I can see it becoming a problem. And in all honesty, there really is no set pattern in which I play games....at any time I might decide to revisit a game. I just do not want developers to get sloppy and begin to abuse this ability. I guess that is what I am saying...it has the potential to be a problem, if left unchecked.....even if at minimal level it is a problem with convenience.

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NegativeCreep427 - 451 days 1 hour ago

oh yeah IDemonstalker, Pizza may be the tastiest snack on the planet, but you don't have to wait for it.

It's Not Delivery, It's Digiorno!!!

That is proof right there that xbox 360 is superior with its no mandatory installs......LOL! Just Kidding Just Kidding! I'm just joshing you man! Digiorno sucks harder than Chris Crocker too.

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CrazzyMan - 451 days 1 hour ago

so far.
OPTIONAL - GOOD.
MANDORITY - EVIL.

I always prefered console over PC, and one of reasons was:
you just insert disc and PLAY, that is what consoles about. =)

I don`t mind 1-2 min. INSTALLs between chapters or etc., because during that time my EYES can REST.
I wish developers would have this in mind.

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Ozzyb - 450 days 23 hours ago

Yea, I pretty much agree with you there. I don't think we really thought too differently about it in the first place.

Edit: The hell? Did I lose a bubble during this discussion? That's lame..

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Sitdown - 450 days 23 hours ago

Yeah...it sounds like we were on similar pages; I failed to be more specific in the beginning while making my point. I do not know why you lost a bubble...but I will bubble you up.

Edit: You are back up to eight.

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Ozzyb - 450 days 22 hours ago

Yes sir indeed. lol I guess I did get it back. If it was from you, thank you. If from someone else, thanks as well. Bubbles for you too ~

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Elimin8 - 450 days 21 hours ago

That article was really a waste. rant till the end then all of a sudden it went off topic.

"What we have to remember is in this day, No console is perfect and if you feel strongly about the negative aspects of your console then the only way to truly win is to own both consoles".

What the hell.. what was the point then beetching about the installs.....?

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Bubbles - 450 days 21 hours ago

Not as long as the PS3 allows u to upgrade ur HDD

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HighDefinition - 451 days 5 hours ago

Uncharted.

1) No install
2) One load
3) No MAJOR issues
4) One amazing game

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harry190 - 451 days 5 hours ago

the most talented developer when it comes to the technical aspect of things on the Playstation consoles. They stream the data permanently,that's why you don't have the loading screens. They did this for the first time in Jak and Daxter 1 (Their Masterpiece according to me). If any studio out there had the same people working for it, you would see even better games on the PS3 very quickly. (Not to mention they are they lead the Edge tools project)

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Cajun Chicken - 451 days 5 hours ago

Yep. Naughty Dog always had that streaming trick back from the Crash Games since Crash 2 and it continued into the Jaks to Uncharted
No idea how they do it and Insomniac usually has some type of animation, like when Spyro flew and the score was counted up or a space ship traveling in Ratchet and Clank games to make the loading screen look visually appealing.

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VF34EJ25 - 451 days 4 hours ago

IMO I wouldn't have mind a one-time install for Uncharted seeing as how the whole game streams afterwards. Cause after each level loading, you guys gotta admit there's a ton of texture pop-ins when you first start. Sometimes those textures take as long as 10-12 seconds before it pops in. Granted, once they are in they look great.

But a small install could have made it immaculate in that area.

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HighDefinition - 451 days 4 hours ago

I`m I the ONLY one who hasn`t seen texture loading in Uncharted, everytime someones says that it baffles me.

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kai_h - 451 days 2 hours ago

I've only seen pop-up in Uncharted, about three times. Sure pop-up's not always welcome, but when you can get a game with no load times, high quality textures, and no install(s), you have to question the games that have not-as-good textures, load times, and (an) install(s).

Naughty Dog made a game without installs and high quality textures, and they've probably stuck the technique in the Edge Tools. Insomniac has the Nocturnal Project as well. This can contribute to games with no installs possibly, but I'm afraid that some companies are too proud to say, "Look, I need some help".

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GarandShooter - 451 days 2 hours ago

HD, I'm in chapter 19 on crushing getting my last few trophies. I, like you, have never seen textures pop in.

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HighDefinition - 451 days 1 hour ago

Ok I`m not crazy.

Uncharted FTW.

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SlyGuy - 450 days 20 hours ago

quite frequently in uncharted.

Usually only at the start of a level, when entering a new area, or after a cutscene.

Only once did it last for about 6-7 seconds, but usually only for 2 seconds.

Once it loads you do see the best graphics on a console to date, but I do wish they could have prevented it totally.

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Area_51 - 450 days 12 hours ago

gone to debate this every time a ps3 game comes out with a install. So to answer your question again NO, the price for a new hdd for the ps3 is cheap and easy to install.

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 5 hours ago

GT5p ran at 1080p and 60fps, and only had an optional install.

So it *could* be only related to loading times.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 451 days 5 hours ago

well a majority of developers have already talked about reasons for mandatory installation, and it is pointing to loading times.

many reviewers have stated in the reviews of a few selected titles that mandatory installation aids in faster loading times.

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 5 hours ago

I don't see why they should have to make them mandatory if their only for loading times though, it doesn't matter to me because I would be installing the game regardless.

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VF34EJ25 - 451 days 4 hours ago

Ratchet and clank Future runs in 1280x704 resolution @ a locked 60fps with NO install.

So frame rate or resolution has jack crap to do with disc speed.

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GUNS N SWORDS - 451 days 4 hours ago

"I don't see why they should have to make them mandatory if their only for loading times though, it doesn't matter to me because I would be installing the game regardless."

hmmmm well first off, when that "FALL UPDATE" comes to XBL, i will will be using my HDD for all of my games, so yes, REGARDLESS of the option of having installing i would install it anyways.

most of the stuff i read off of various pages, they talk about why ps3 needs the HDD and at the same time 360 doesn't require it, as a 360 owner i would still do it even though it's not necessary, and if it wasn't mandatory for ps3 games, ps3 gamers will still use the HDD anyways.

"So frame rate or resolution has jack crap to do with disc speed."

yeah i fvcking said that already.

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 5 hours ago

Uncharted
No install
No loading times
"Best looking console game so far this gen"-IGN

GT5p
1080p
60fps
Optional install

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Cajun Chicken - 451 days 5 hours ago

Probably not. I don't know if you've played Killzone 1 (I didn't really like it) but it was technically amazing for being on the PS2 and pretty damn fast at loading.
I'll actually be VERY suprised if Killzone2 has a large install, I actually expect it to be almost on par with the speedy almost non-existent load times of Uncharted.

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HighDefinition - 451 days 5 hours ago

OWNED!

Move along nothing to see here.

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Some_One_Plays - 451 days 5 hours ago

The developers in an interview said they loaded whole levels onto the disc so there won't be any loading times. It will be interesting to see if it really requires an install or not.

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Omega4 - 451 days 5 hours ago

The reason Uncharted has so little load times is because its a very linear game with quite small environments. Also the lack of load times created a colossal amount of screen tearing

@ 5.2
That was with the PS2 which had a DVD drive not a bluray drive. Bluray means longer load times and mantaory installs and Killzone 2 will have one its almost certain

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 5 hours ago

Do you have proof about how bluray is slower than DVD?

And the ps2 had a 4x DVD drive which is slow as S***

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Cajun Chicken - 451 days 4 hours ago

Yes. But notice that Naughty Dog have been avoiding load times all the way back to Crash Bandicoot 2 which was on a CD-ROM and continued with the large open world Jak series without ONE loading screen on a DVD in 3 whole games.

If its all about streaming, I see no reason why Killzone2 can't do it too, since Guerrilla's last Killzone engine pretty much ran on the fly despite me not actually liking the game itself.

EDIT: Also while I'm at it...'small environments?' did you ever play all of the early chapters of Uncharted when you had to run across a whole jungle from the U-Boat backtracking the whole journey?

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VF34EJ25 - 451 days 4 hours ago

Uncharted's small environments indeed /sarcasm

http://www.vgblogger.com/wp...

http://files.playstatic.com...

Stop Omega4.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 451 days 4 hours ago

You dont even need to delete old game saves and files.
For less then 120$ you can get a 320GB HDD.Problem solved.

Besides..i dont mind a 5 minutes install to cut loading times.And eliminate pop ins and slow downs.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 451 days 4 hours ago

50 games?

If you own a 40GB PS3 with those 5GB game installs you are running out of space with 6 games if you also have some demo's and music/video on the HDD.

So you're saying... You have to fork out another 120 bucks to use the PS3.

actually

400 Euro or Dollar PS3

+

120 Euro/Dollar

520 Euro or Dollar to pay in reality. That sucks

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 4 hours ago

Most games don't have installs or have optional installs, and most installs are 1GB or less.

I can get a 320GB HDD from New Egg for $100
I could also get an external 500GB for $100

Both would last an insanely long time.

And I know this was stated in the gamer zone but

PS3 installs are mostly a problem for people who don't own a ps3.

EDIT

$300 console
+
$100 wifi
+
$20 charge kit(an additional $12 per controller)
+
$50/yr online
=
$470
in other words $70 more than a ps3 80GB, which will last a long time.

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pixelsword - 450 days 5 hours ago

...Using the 40GB and then trying to say that "sucks" when it's no problem, because they could easily remove data for *free* and install later if they wanted to. Or let me put it this way; if they got a launch 360 and three years of Gold XBL, they would've spent $150 by now.... without the benefit of having a hard drive.

Neither scenario sucks if you want it, although both would suck if you don't have the cash.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 451 days 4 hours ago

YES its a problem especially with those sold 40GB PS3's

With about 6 games (read above) you're allready maxed out.

And yes I hate it when I need to uninstall some and then when I want to play need to reinstall again for 25 minutes long

COME ON THATS PC GAMING

No console gaming anymore. Forced installs suck.

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bunbun777 - 451 days 3 hours ago

I have a 40g PS3 and I am not worried in the least bit- Oh no for the price of a game I could upgrade! I better just keep buying games and then not play them because I don't have room because I'm too ineffectual to delete anything! Oh noes! The end of console gaming! My life is over! I could barely afford the PS3 and I'm poor and I like to complain!

One day most developers will actually know what they are doing and installs won't even be an issue in the least bit- right now they are typically a crutch for developers that don't know or care or have enough time to relearn and master the PS3's architecture. One day. Probably the day after the world sees God of War and wakes the fudge up.

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Oner - 451 days 3 hours ago

This just proves who speaks about $h!t they have absolutely no clue about...I just posted this yesterday:

"Hhmm that's weird since I have had a 20 gig since launch day and all my games don't give me an issue when I need to play them...

RR7 (No install needed as it is optional)
RFoM
COD4
MGS4
GTA4
GT5P
MS
EOJ
Uncharted (No install anyway)
Pain
Super Puzzle Fighter HD
Championship Sprint
Calling All Cars
Super Star Dust HD
Qore episodes
Videos....\
Music......> these 3 aren't even needed on my PS3 as I have 2 media shares available
Pictures../
Etc. Etc. Etc.

I can go on but either way it's not a big deal to shift game installs around when I want to play especially when I don't play some older titles like RR7 & RFoM or MS or do so very RARELY. Plus I still use my 20 gig since I got my 80gb PS3 prize a few weeks ago, people try to make something big out of something they have absolutely no idea about. I can speak this with truth as I have done it since launch day...I always find it funny how can someone who doesn't own something actually speak "facts" about it?"

Edit: AHAHAHA I got a disagree on FACTUAL real world experience! Aaww I hurt someones feelings....it's simply amazing how many uninformed immature children are out there.

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TrooGamer - 451 days 4 hours ago

wifi, play n charge kit, Live(worth it tho), stupidly high priced hard drives

All those are choices just like upgrading the PS3 hard drive.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 451 days 4 hours ago

Wrong.

You are not forced to buy WiFi. Cable is more stable for online gaming

You are not forced for play&charge. You can use chargable batteries. When the PS3 controllers accu dies you can't change it but need to fork out 60 bucks for a new controller. Replacing rechargable batteries costs nothing

All you are mentioning isn't anything like the PS3 HDD. Especially not for those with a 40GB PS3. Those are facked

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 3 hours ago

Even though your not forced to buy play and charge, a 360 controller and ps3 controllers(DS3) cost EXACTLY the same, before you buy the charge kit for the 360

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Shane Kim - 450 days 18 hours ago

The Fart, you don't have to buy a HDD on your PS3 either. How do you know that people with 40GB are facked? You don't even own one so please, spare us the preaching.

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pixelsword - 450 days 5 hours ago

...what is worse?

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TrooGamer - 451 days 4 hours ago

Only people that care are 360 fanboys..funny how all developers are praising Sony for having the hard drive as mandatory.

People just need to get over it...they will become less n less over time.

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air1 - 451 days 4 hours ago

percy, i think the problem comes in with the SPACE your average pc comes with a 500gb hdd your average ps3 is 40 gb hdd see the problem?

bubbles please?

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zo6_lover27 - 451 days 3 hours ago

Your either trying to copy the Poor Xbots guy or you ARE the Poor Xbots guy.

I'm willing to bet the latter option since Poor Xbots was long gone before this idiot showed up.

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bunbun777 - 451 days 3 hours ago

The fact that the installs are being used as a crutch for developers. But it does not bother me in the least these comments- it's like would you rather do more than everyone else or just a few things better? Surprise! I said it- the 360 plays games better in that it is more old fashioned... how hard is it to imagine a piece of technology that is superior, but is harder to implement due to the existing infrastructure....sorry i already used my dvorak vs. qwerty comparison....

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bunbun777 - 451 days 3 hours ago

Your comment sir is the most pale shade of putrescent poo.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 451 days 2 hours ago

I have a 360.Know where it is?

On the floor surrounded by junk,collecting dust.While my PS3 sits high and mighty next to my 42Inch Sony Bravia tv.

Just because you like 360 doesn't mean everyone does.I hate it.
I hate everything about it from the retarded "blade" system to the big ugly controller.Hell,even the console itself looks horrible.

I'll stick with my PS3.

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juuken - 451 days 1 hour ago

Oh yes, the 360 is good at everything.
It sets people's home on fire.
Seriously, shut the f*ck up.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 451 days 2 hours ago

-bubble

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BLuKhaos - 451 days 2 hours ago

I'm glad you don't own one either. -1 Bubble

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GUNS N SWORDS - 451 days 2 hours ago

use a spare HDD so that you can keep your warranty, OR use the swaped HDD's manufacture warranty. i swaped my already and i'm still under a warranty.

your just finding ways to avoid the option.

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silverchode - 451 days 2 hours ago

most people dont know the smart way.

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BLuKhaos - 451 days 2 hours ago

big chance of RROD<install

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