Is the Xbox 360 reaching the limit of its capabilities?

edhe - 478 days 3 hours ago

You can max out a CPU with a few simple instructions.

Pointless 'metric'.

It's not about what the hardware can do for you, but what you can do with the hardware.

Did the ps2 peak at GT3, GT4? God of war 1? 2?

The software will improve year on year on year until there's no incentive for it, no matter what platform.

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gaffyh - 478 days 3 hours ago

I'm not even going to read this guys article, just reading bruceongames is enough to know that the article will be a pile of sh*t.

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Fox01 - 478 days 2 hours ago

bruceongames, Kotaku, SonyDefenceForce (SDF = Homeless in French, just throwing that there), HipHopGamer all on the same pile ... of s***t

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marinelife9 - 478 days 1 hour ago

Epic isn't saying the games won't look better in the future. They're just implying that the difference in what your seeing today and what you'll see in the future on the 360 won't be as big.

There was huge jump in graphics from Perfect Dark Zero to Gears of War and Bioshock.

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thewhoopimen - 478 days ago

A year ago.

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Maddens Raiders - 477 days 18 hours ago

like to put into this article, it is totally nullified by finding it on "bruceongames.com".

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deno - 477 days 18 hours ago

The ps2 and gamecube have not reached their limits so that should answer the question to this stupid article.

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jtucker78 - 478 days 7 hours ago

It's bruceongames.

I managed to stop myself before I clicked on the link. He aint getting hits from me.

Not read the article, WooHoo.

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Ozzyb - 477 days 20 hours ago

Same here. If I wanted to see a steaming pile of crap, this is the internet, I have other options.

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power of Green - 478 days 9 hours ago

It reached it's limit because you say so, for obvious reasons.

Like a made up talking point Fox news would make up trying to pass missinformation as popular opinion and facts.

PS3 is not as powerful, its strenths *in theory* will be just physics. PS3 has inferior Memory use, an inferior CPU and an inferior video card.

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radio0o - 478 days 8 hours ago

360 has obviously reached near its limit, the visuals on it havnt advanced since Gears of War and part 2 looks exactly the same meanwhile PS3 games are just getting better and better. cant imagine what things will look like by the end of the generation

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SixTwoTwo - 478 days 8 hours ago

And heres PoG right on time for his beef>>>chicken arguments.

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Ri0tSquad - 478 days 8 hours ago

Leave it to this guy.

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el_bandito - 478 days 7 hours ago

Motorstorm only utilizes 20% of the PS3 CELL’s power, Uncharted around 33% and Killzone 2 45%....

Yeah right Yoda...

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consolewar - 478 days 7 hours ago

PS3 sakes

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kevanio09 - 478 days 6 hours ago

Motorstorm only utilizes 20% of the PS3 CELL’s power, Uncharted around 33% and Killzone 2 45%....

Do you really think that this will make games look 55% better than Killzone 2?

Personally i think that both consoles are completely underpowered. But then again i think guild wars is an amazing looking game ^_^

I think that extra 55% would be used by better animation, better physics ect....not necessarily better graphics.

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SuperM - 478 days 5 hours ago

If a game used 100% of the ps3 capability that would not be 55% more then KZ2 with its 45%... Thats well over 100% more power. So theoreticly the game could look twice as good as KZ2. But ofcourse all this power will not be used only on graphics. Better physics and all of that will probably use some of that power, but the games will definately look better aswell.

But they will never reach a 100%. Yet if they manage to push it 80-90% then thats alot and i mean alot more power then what we have seen being used in games so far. PS3 games are going to outshine 360 games by a wide margin this generation as developers learn to use more of the ps3's power.

I know there are certain ignorant individuals who try to deny this nomather how obvious it is. All i got to say is keep believing that. The games will speak for themselves, and it feels good to know that you will never be able to enjoy these games because you are to pride or to ignorant to try them. Please say what you want, but keep in mind that you are talking to air. I have better things to do then listening to a generic message of how ps3 sucks and xbox owns.

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NowGen - 478 days 5 hours ago

you guys spouting all these #'s like 45% this and 55% that all sound like losers. have people been so consumed over some fake ass gaming war and number battles that they forgot what really matters? i dont care if my 360 has reached some proverbial peak or not, as long as it keeps feeding my gaming habit. and my ps3 can have as many flaws as people may want to mention, but if it gives me some fun ass games its not like i'm gonna go looking up some #'s to verify whether i just had fun or not.

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el_bandito - 478 days 4 hours ago

Sorry mate we might sound nerdy to you but that is why we are under a thread that has a phrase "limit of its capabilities" in its title. The numbers I just threw in and I just happened to read in some article about a NEXT GEN console, has just made me wonder what a video game would look like if they go beyond those numbers. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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The Lazy One - 478 days 1 hour ago

people throw out percentages without actually knowing how the cell works, or what it's being used for.

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thewhoopimen - 478 days ago

Enlighten me Lazy Gamer

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The Lazy One - 477 days 23 hours ago

The Cell isn't used much for graphics, as it's architecture isn't designed to push for it. It's also subject to diminishing returns because of the single PPE. While you might only use half the cells for those games, you won't get double the power from using all of them, as the PPE won't be running twice as fast with them.

Also, the EIB isn't fast enough to let the cell work at it's potential peak performance.

edit: disagrees mean you love me <3

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potenquatro - 477 days 23 hours ago

don't confuse good grafics with good art direction. gears, like uncharted, have great art direction. they look very nice, but they don't push the hardware to it's limits. i've played gears on pc and you don't need a high-end rig at all. meanwhile a game like gta4, wich nobody claims has incredible grafics, runs sub-HD on ps3 and has ridiculous pop-ups on 360. on-topic: xbox, the most dev friendly console, has been in developers hands for more then 3 years. it has to peak. however, assimilating that with the thought of games not evolving or not getting better is ignorant imo.

@superM : we all have better things to do then read about how ps3 is obviously better and lame unfounded percenteges that proof nothing on how good a game is. it's not like there aren't a million ps3 fans on this site claiming what your claiming.

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skulldrey - 477 days 16 hours ago

Dont be mad that the ps3 still has more life left in it than the xbox. 10 year life-cycle baby.

As far as xbox goes. Youll be seeing the 720 here pretty soon.

Sony went with hardware first, software second. Good choice. Software can be updated via them. Hardware can't. Good game.

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thewhoopimen - 477 days 8 hours ago

I c... So the cell is not for graphics. Then what is it for? Why have 7 of them running if there is a PPE that can do everything a xbox360 triple cpu can do (albeit slower?) What about the EIB? What does the PPE need the EIB for if it runs general operations and doesn't need to delegate to the SPE? Why do developers talk about doing most of the calculations in the SPEs and outputting it to the RSX to display on screen?

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The Lazy One - 477 days 2 hours ago

exactly my point in 4.11

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themyk - 478 days 2 hours ago

correct they don't make a game. but they do play a HUGE part. like it or not.

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themyk - 477 days 20 hours ago

the only reason you guys disagree with me is because your graphix suck. so of course you disagree.

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The Lazy One - 477 days 19 hours ago

graphics and art aren't the same thing. The graphics in PoP aren't really exceptional by any means (except some effects). The art direction is what makes it good. Visual appeal is more about art than graphics.

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Lich120 - 477 days 9 hours ago

I think it's funny how you don't really see PC gamers on here mocking everyone because the graphical power they can get can blow all the systems out of the water. I doubt they're more mature, maybe they just got sick of people telling them it costs way too much (which it doesn't have too...). Regardless, I've played through crysis on max settings, it looks amazing. However I still think WoW looks awesome because I really dig their art direction. Life doesn't have to be a squable people. I wonder if sony and xbox fans really think they're companies are so great. Theres no honor in big buisness, just money. They don't care about you, they care about your money.

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tetsuhana - 478 days 9 hours ago

Star Ocean 4-No gameplay shown/Timed exclusive anyway
Alan Wake-Nowhere in sight
Cod4-Multiplat/didn't even look better than gears
Far Cry 2-Multiplat

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solidsnakus - 478 days 9 hours ago

well resistance 2 isnt pushing any graphical boundries. looks nowhere close to cod4 IMO.

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power of Green - 478 days 8 hours ago

Funny how no one pays attention to the fud on this site outside of Sony fans.

@7.2 I'm not understanding why you would bring up a game that looks like an PS2 title.

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Idonthatejustcreate - 478 days 8 hours ago

"PS3 is not as powerful, its strenths *in theory* will be just physics. PS3 has inferior Memory use, an inferior CPU and an inferior video card."

lol dude, inferior??? All I have to say is Killzone 2, Heavy rain and Infamous. Could they be done on another console? No. But they must look like PS2 games to you huh? go figure...

Advanced is a better word to describ the PS3's CPU, memory and maybe video card (unsure about that). Advanced is nessecarily not "better" but harder to develop for. But saying it's inferior is just BS. The only framerate problems i've seen on a console was on my xbox 360 and gamecube. The PS3 has not ever had an issue with frame drops.

@solidsnakus lets make a comparison...
Screen of Cod4
http://blog.al.com/techcete...
Screen of R2
http://bebicorp.com/SonyRum...

Imo Cod4 looks much worse. But saying that R2 looks like a PS2 game is just ignorant.

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solidsnakus - 478 days 7 hours ago

ohhh shure, comparing cod4 running at a craapy resolution to a doctored screenshot that the resistance team put out. did you see the sony e3 confrence? that resistance demo looked like a complete pile of garbage IMO. the graphics on all the buildings were piss poor spiderman for ps2 style.

now look at your doctored screenshot and compare it to a real screenshot of R2 in action http://talkplaystation.com/...
pretty impressive graphics huh, LOL

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outlawlife - 478 days 7 hours ago

fanboyism not withstanding, i'm with solid on this one

resistance 2 looks nothing like that screen you posted, it is actually quite unimpressive from the videos of ACTUAL gameplay we have seen

people complain about gears bullshots, resistance is just as bad

the e3 resistance demo wasn't very impressive and didn't get me very excited at all, however the gears demo was pretty much the cats pajamas

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Snukadaman_ - 478 days 7 hours ago

You honestly think this is a real picture ingame??
http://bebicorp.com/SonyRum...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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Idonthatejustcreate - 478 days 5 hours ago

Crappy ingame shot? It was taken as a screen dump directly from the 360 console. If your comparing PC to console then sure every game will look better on PC obviously. Anyhow that picture you used came as an Off screen foto with a crappy camera so thats far from what it looks like m8.

@Outlawlife
I dunno what kind of footage you have been looking at but take a look at this =)
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
It's still offscreen but atleast in HD instead of those Youtube clips.

@Snukadaman_
Nope I don't think so but I just took the first picture I saw from R2 but heres some in-game pics for all three of you. (It's hard to find in-game screen grabs instead of off screen)

http://o.aolcdn.com/gd-medi...
http://i293.photobucket.com...

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ChefDejon - 478 days 5 hours ago

a playstation exclusive that is pushing graphical boundaries go look at killzone 2. if u want to see a game with decent graphics but has such bomb features as 60 player multiplayer and 8 player online co-op and 2 campaigns look at Resistance 2.

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Avto - 478 days 8 hours ago

edonus you make me laugh both PS3 and X360, are barely "powerful" let alone super they are like last gen PC all of our modern PCs can run games at three times the resolution at least two times the frame rate and higher graphical level, and yet you call X360 "super powerful"

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Chris Hansen - 478 days 9 hours ago

Dude, how did you lose all your bubbles soo fast? I could have sworn I saw you with 5 bubbles like 20 mins ago.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 478 days 6 hours ago

It's impossible for you to get your Bubbles back on this once the Mod's don't like you
:-/
I'll Bubble you up anyway, but it will make no difference mate.
If you say you love M$ + xBox 360 you'll get them back and never lose any Bubbles...Hmm...like 'pp'???

+YEP!!! The xBox 360 looks outdated this year!!! ;-D
Some PS2 games look better than the xBox 360 games!!! ;-D

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DavidMacDougall - 478 days 5 hours ago

Yeah iv noticed pp never loses bubbles wtf is that fu(king xbot mods can suck my d!ck

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ps3killin360 - 478 days 5 hours ago

the 360 reach it limit a very long time ago with gear of war 1, the 360 visuals are crap to everyone that has a sony ps3. only the 360 fanboy seem to think that games like too human, gear of war, etc.. looks better then anything the ps3 has. ps3killin360 fully believe that all the 360 games look pitiful, boring, and repetitive with horrible draw distance which are fine for immature 360 fanboy. this reaffirms my believe that the most powerful and all around better system is sony ps3.

ps3killin360...

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Shane Kim - 478 days 4 hours ago

And I really like Bloodmask's signature. He hates Sony fanboys and think they have a wired attachment to the console while he is the biggest xbuttbaboon on this site.

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Pain - 477 days 23 hours ago

Didnt we all know that already?

and Bubbles o oo0oOoooOo00oO0oooo

And yes bubbles are for the XBOX fans, since thats how it seems to work hear.

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Kleptic - 478 days 9 hours ago

don't forget GameDaily...they are nearly as bad as bruce...

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Steven Colbert - 478 days 8 hours ago

I forgot about them.PlayTM will also be added on.Any more suggestions,anyone?

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silverchode - 477 days 17 hours ago

n4g

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gambare - 478 days 8 hours ago

lol ORLY?

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juuken - 478 days 5 hours ago

...YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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ps3killin360 - 478 days 4 hours ago

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ps3killin360...

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plain rice - 478 days 4 hours ago

You define inferior.

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themyk - 478 days 3 hours ago

if your definition of inferior GPU mean that our exclusives look waaaaay better than your exclusives than your right.

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BigPappaPump - 478 days 2 hours ago

You should focus on saving the little bubbles you have left instead of sweating a system that you obviously don't own.

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silverchode - 477 days 17 hours ago

stories from 2005, 2006 lol.

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chfthnder26 - 478 days 1 hour ago

a storage format does not mean how powerful a platform is if devs wanted they could do like some r doing and put the extra content on xbox live to download

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cemelc - 478 days ago

Yeah but let me remind you that every xbox 360 game is on pc or making its way to it, the ones that are not in the making for pc is cos they are crap.

The 360 have already reach its limits you want prof of it?? they cant make a decent next gen Rpg its plagued with all the problems the ps2 had due to hardware limitations, and that is just sad.

Gears of War 2 looks exactly the same as the first one and in some webpages they say the textures looks worse than the first one, so cliffy could talk his @ss of saying that the game looks better(be honest there is no dev in this world that is going to say the game looks the same as the first one), but reality its reality.

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juuken - 477 days 23 hours ago

I'll bring the flowers! :D

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KBDuB - 477 days 23 hours ago

Just can't stop the trolling, eh?

Created another account, 16 hours ago, JUST so you can troll. Nice. I respect your "Never Give Up Attitude," though!

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BrotherNick - 477 days 22 hours ago

Meh, it's not like graphics control sales of games. :P

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KBDuB - 477 days 19 hours ago

Yea.. Ya know. Maybe if you would have some decent posts and not diss the 360 or games in EVERY post you make, maybe.. just MAYBE you wouldn't hafta make a new account.

"And ali_the_clit is getting old man!" Yea.. You're right. It's going outta.. "fashion," just like the RRoD jokes! Oh, right, they aren't outta.. "fashion" so, what's up Ali_The_Clit!? =) Hmm.. You sound like Juuken. Or should I say, TwoChin. "She" said the same thing about me calling her TwoChin.. Hmm.

"i believe in you, i think you got more rymes and parodies than that! THINK! THIIIIIIIINK!" Maybe you should put that into you're thoughts, as I see you say the same stuff over, and over, and over again.

"or has the halo killed too many brain cells :(" Yea, something like that.

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ApocalyPS3 - 477 days 18 hours ago

you PMed me and then blocked me. don't appreciate it. if you're going to spread hate speech, don't hide behind your stupid PMs. don't EVER message me again. i don't need your filth in my PM inbox.

i don't resort to calling names and spreading nonsense, so neither should you. hopefully you won't do something so stupid as to persist at this. i don't want to see you again, so you're on ignore.

don't reply. there's no friend waiting for you here.

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juuken - 477 days 14 hours ago

Boo-hoo, I'm crying.

I never asked for friends here.

I don't care whether you blocked me or not. I don't care whether I blocked you or not. I had my reasons for blocking you. We are not lovers, we are not friends, and we are not pals. You said something that pissed me off. You don't know me very well, so I suggest not judging me.

So...you're not hurting my feelings.

I take that you were very offended by my PM there. I told you exactly what was on *my* mind.

If you can't accept that, then that is *your* problem.

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